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After watching his channel for the past month on and off (not a daily viewer but since in lockdown) noticed his channel is no more.
https://twitter.com/ToneVays/status/1250809610610642946
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https://i.ibb.co/pZVr8Sg/Clipboard662.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

Strange how he had published videos almost everyday for along time and all the sudden this happens? :-[
https://i.ibb.co/BT3zFLx/Clipboard0666.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

I just saw this on Twitter buddy, I presume he’ll be able to get his channel reinstated upon appeal. I’m struggling to see why they’d wipe him clean out unless it’s a site wide bitcoin purge.

Very strange!

Oh, congrats on making Hero Member rdbase!

I don't agree with his opinions but he had a very good and informational channel about trading and TA. He never told people what to do just anlysed the charts and gave his opinions.
The hyperwave theory he's following is questionable and Tone is only right in maybe half of his predictions, but he's not doing anything wrong. He's just like any other analyst.

How does his channel break the TOS?

I hate how they never explain which exact point those banned people broke so that they cannot even argue their case.

A lot of these bans have not at all been an attack on bitcoin videos. Pedos liaise in the chats and comments of all videos, and unless you police it all scrupulously, one report will screw you like poor Tone. The TOS will have verbiage about warning children to keep the fuck away if necessary, which of course a bitcoin video maker wouldn't do unless very switched on. Like if there's a competition for a Ledger, no warning it's not for kids, and foul pedo stuff in the comments, well it's a bad mix.

He should get it reinstated but what was the actual point of them disallowing to be on their platform completely is a mystery.
You have people who are outright verbally saying on their youtube videos they are the worst and go out of their way to advertise and promote other channels so to view their videos on those platforms instead. Yet their channels still exist. :-\
Berwick is one of them.

And yeah, thanks for the congratulatory mention.
I was thinking about putting up a thread about getting there with my leveling up to platinum of another site I frequent. :D
But this had to wait since havent been in the mood lately to post such a thread just yet.
All of the outbreak this and lockdown that has me kind of in a equilibrate state of mind in the past three weeks. :(

I am not too sure what he broke in youtubes terms of service.
But of course the cryptocurrency media has noticed it too and have reported on it with in the last 30 minutes.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/tone-vays-channel-banned-as-youtube-continues-crypto-purge

Quite an unfortunate event for Tone Vays. I watched his YouTube videos a couple of times. I became a fan of his channel the day he stood up to Craig Wright in last year's Coindesk conference. The more troubling fact is that, h has come a long way with that account. I hope YouTube restores his account. This is the problem with centralized social platforms. They decide what is tolerable and what's not.

I have seen this on twitter, actually this is not the right thing to do for Tone Vays because he has so many useful content on youtube, he teaches about cryptocurrency, about trading, investing, etc. I really don't know why youtube ban his account. Maybe he disobeyed some of the rules of the youtube, I really don't think why youtube keep restricting content about cryptocurrency, well in fact cryptocurrency is so useful in our everyday life, it is so useful especially when some crisis happens like this pandemic virus COVID-19, we can use cryptocurrency to buy foods, or any stuffs we want online.

I hope that the channel of Tone Vays will be recovered soon, I have learned so much things in his channel. I hope youtube will give him another chance.

Although I disagree mostly of Tone Vays, I think Youtube should reinstate his channel. It looks like the purge is still ongoing as of this time, one time sweep of all crypto related videos and channels. We all know that Youtube has become the target for cyber criminals with fake giveaways in the last 8 months or so and this is the second time they have purge their system again. I'm sure the channel will be back in no time once Youtube review all the affected parties and put back those 'legit' one.

I really don't think we should bring out our pitchforks just yet, and I don't think this is one of those "Google hates bitcoin/crypto" incidents. Videos concerning trading in general have always been in the gray area anyway as far as I know, as this isn't the first trading channel I've seen had such problems. I've seen non-crypto trading channels have problems in the past too.

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EDIT: and yea it's back. As per expected.

Well things just got real with tone vays calling out the ceo on this and looks like she just got served. :D
https://i.ibb.co/7tHRFLk/Clipboard010013.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
It looks as if he wasnt given a reason why they shut him down even if it was due to trading.
I have seen him talk about technical analysis at times. But so do all the other crypto-related channels out there one way or another. :-\

I think youtube is not giving any reasons for deleting channel in their platform.

It's a nationwide ban hammer that's why many influencers not just Tone Vays are bitching around because they all got booted out.

Crypto Beadles^[1] was one who got the hammer ban in December, but it looks like it is already up and running and so is Chris Dunn^[2].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcE2GkGcKxHjZoMVM7tjmyA
[2] https://www.youtube.com/user/chrisdunntv

Ah yes that could be the reason for these bans happening all the sudden.
With the vitalik, cz, garlinhouse and even elon musk scam channels running rampant on youtube it was bound to have others who promote cryptocurrency to be red carded like this.
https://www.newsbtc.com/2020/01/16/watch-out-new-bitcoin-scam-youtube

false alarm, probably just a misguided auto-ban. his channel has already been reinstated and he is live streaming right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6IXCrpUmng

https://i.imgur.com/GTEsJfu.png

I saw that there are many cases that youtube channels are banning channels that are related to crypto currency but as what is stated in the notifications, someone reported it and they decided to ban it. It will be good if the owner will appeal to the youtube about it and ask for clear details about the deletion but there is a big chance it is related to crypto ban for sure.

Last year they are deleting channels that is related to crypto but they decided to apologize and bring back those channels that are not doing something that is against their rules. I guess they are serious in deleting channels right now and it is the worst attack to crypto users, maybe it is the right time to boycott youtube and use other alternative that are exclusive only for crypto videos.

this. specially when these so called analysts end up giving a lot of bad advice to those who follow them and then they end up losing some money in the process, the angry followers end up reporting their videos and since there is always something wrong in their content they get banned or at the very least the video removed.

Is his account does have the 91.3k subscribers? Guys his account is back. He's on the live now with his channel.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6IXCrpUmng)
The people in the chatbox is congratulating him for getting back his channel.

Ok it seems that he is back in business, he seems that Youtube is quick in responding to those ban accounts. Maybe this time, human intervention is needed. They may rely on their algorithm, but at the end of the day, a simple message to them will help those crypto influencers get back their account the soonest.

The ones deleted last year got their channels back so he might just get his back too.

I read it in another forum where youtube are purging the channels that acts likea channel of financial advisor, its still unsure if its whats going on really but Tony I belive have been telling his predictions many times about whre the market goes. I can remember him fudding the market will still drop to $4000.

Youtube quite often deletes videos and even channels due to their algorithms, and I kinda understand them - they host billions of videos, it's impossible to assign real humans to manually review all reports. In the past there was less such incidents, but then people start complaining that Youtube hosts all sorts of bad content, and advertisers reacted to it negatively, so Youtube, which has always been struggling to make profit, made their system that leads to problems like the one that happened here.

It's just unfortunate that the large centralized companies don't specifically mention what rules were violated. That is not really transparency.

And it's unfortunate that the popular crypto people don't consider using the decentralized alternatives. So how do we help in this matter now if the alternatives are hardly tolerated or patronized. Almost everything (whether good or bad) is called sh**coin thesedays. What reasonable advice can the real community  render that will be considered now?
Well, I guess he could try his best to convince youtube, but I don't honestly expect a centralized company to listen to unfairly treated users. I would just try the safe alternatives or maybe the court?

It is not strange if Youtube has deleted his Youtube channels because it is clear to read in that image from the OP that his channel violates Youtube terms. Besides that, someone has a complaint to Youtube about his channel, so Youtube investigate, and perhaps, Youtube found something that really breaks the terms. I think that someone was his competitor who doesn't want to see he got many followers or another thing, so he reports to Youtube that he is breaking the rule. But we don't know what story behind of that because I don't think Youtube will explain to the public their reason to delete his channels.

Think at best I'm neutral about all these crypto punditry and influencers, but I got to say it smells like some people probably coordinated a YT reporting campaign against him.

On one hand, though, you've got educators like Antonoupoulos who's been there for years, and never wiped from any social media platform, so clearly, if you only educate and don't shill, you'll always be safe. Not saying Vays hasn't been educational, but it's clear he's got commercial interests and those generally have a risk of violating parts of ToS.

It's good that they seem to deal with difficult situations quite well if the channel is popular and people express support. It took less than a day to get this matter resolved, apparently. It took a few days to take down a video posted by people who hacked an account about history, pretended they were Binance and asked people to send money as a part of their promo (typical scam). Neural networks are getting better at a lot of things (deep fake videos and some engines that write texts are very impressive), and perhaps they'll get better at targeting videos as well.

Not probably, definitely. Because there are no other reason for a channel to be deleted but a mass reporting to youtube.

I barely know him or didn't I watched a video of him, I won't recognize his name until I see his face. I agree, if you don't have any terms of youtube violated or did not condemn people for them to report you then you'll be 100% safe, I'm also not accusing Tone Vays of something, I'm trying to be neutral what matter the situation is or how deep it is, but if you have personal or commercial interest to your video content then there is no reason to appeal to youtube.

I subscribed and quickly unsubscribed.

Tone Vague, wanted 1 btc per hour or something for advice.

Was totally clueless on btc panels even made bitcoin jesus look good.


Good riddance.

WTF are you even saying? The whole issue we and Tone had was with this exact statement. He did not break any rules and even if he did there was no explanation as to what rules were broken! He's a TA guy, there's nothing unlawful going on his channel. He's not soliciting anyone and is just like hundreds of other TA people on youtube.

If it was an auto ban like people are saying it also sucks because they should always review any claim instead of allowing bots to decide the fate of accounts that people were building for years.



He's clueless. Used to say that Bitcoin will hit 1000 dollars last year and now he suddenly is bullish and says that we wont even go to 3k again.  
I wouldn't ban his channel though.

LoL which rule was it exactly he violated? The dude was only showing charts and doing TA. There are hundreds of thousands of people which do the same thing.

Fuck Youtube. Too bad there isn't a solid alternative to that shithole.

Chill out, bro. I know he is a TA guy, but we don't know if he has an enemy or not, and his enemy can report him because they don't like about his TA or something like that. I don't know if he breaks any rules or not because if Youtube it breaks the rules, then Youtube can delete or ban his channel, and Tone cannot do anything except he needs to explain to Youtube. I am sure he will complain to Youtube and will explain the situations so that Youtube may reopen his channel again. Or perhaps, Youtube bans for people by randomly because I heard that sometimes, Youtube did that thing before with many people like what they did it with the Adsense which is in under the same management from Google.


I don't know about that because I do not subscribe to his channel. That is what happens now. Because of Youtube have the power to ban people, they will use that, and I don't know what their reason.

I suddenly miss the song about Tone Vays and Mr. Novogratz lol. That's pretty strange that his account got deleted by youtube but I know that he'll recover that soon. Maybe it's a technical error on the side of Youtube if there is no cleansing(clearing of all Bitcoin or Crypto related channels or talks) happening.

I think that's what happened. It's not like youtube moderators can police every crypto channel fact-checking videos and comments against known scams, so they must have a bot that does it for them. And these kind of bots generate more false positives than false negatives.


All cryptocurrency youtubers should put the following disclaimer in their video descriptions:

The information contained herein is provided solely for informational and discussion purposes only and is not, and may not be relied on in any manner as legal, tax or investment advice or as an offer to sell or a solicitation of an offer to buy an interest in any fund. The information contained herein is not investment advice or a recommendation to buy or sell any specific security. (template disclaimer (https://behavioralvalueinvestor.com/importantdisclaimers))

Those tweets and interactions of his fans do help him quickly to get back his channel again. I think that what buwaytress said is more likely. A mass report does really happen on social media if they don't like an influencer or a personality who's somehow popular in his/her niche.

The channel was retrieved yesterday.

If you dont know globb0 then you didnt get his prod at humor to the topic. :D
He is referring to the scam youtune channels which probably started this so called purge of tone vays channel in the first place. Where these famous people in crypto or their disciple are used in a scheme asking their viewers and subscribers for 1btc in return of riches later on in a ponzi scheme to the nth degree.

His channel didnt violate any of their rules from what I understand it was just the ceo of youtube being jealous of how many subscribers he had and surpassed her own channel. :-[
Wonder if twitters jack dorsey gets this sort of envy when they start blocking their users account for these fictitious reasons to justify a ban. :-\

Never watched a single video, but I see his name and face pop up a lot, and when you got that kind of skin in the game, you have to had gotten paid for something you said or promoted -- again, no harm in that, everyone's gotta make money, but I can imagine it makes people angry or could be in violation of ToS.


Making Bitcoin Jesus look good is a pretty tough act to follow. 1 btc per hour for advice? See, right there's what I'm saying. Educators do more for Bitcoin and learning and don't make a penny.

Absolutely and Tone Vays was among the people create new videos everyday on his Youtube page and with bitcoin halving approaching alot of crypto scammers will also make use of Youtube to scam people so this will make Youtube to increase their restriction which i believe was what led to Tony account banned.

90% of youtube videos don't have comments disabled. We cannot be responsible for other people's comments. If that was the reason why his channel got deleted it's still youtube's fault. If they don't like some comments they should ban people who post these, not the creator of the video.

Most crypto channels are banned for spreading false information/scamming people with their TA's that came up from who knows where and what. It contains some truth though, since some channels just scam peoples BTC by asking them for one and then providing them info about the movements of the market. Who knows where they got their TA's. You could say Tone Vays channel was just swept by the wave accidentally.  Since he informed YT about his legitimacy, there's no reason why he would stay banned. His channel is already back up tbh, Scroll up someone posted a link about him going live saying he's back.

I don't think anyone at Youtube's organization cares about Bitcoin halving professionally, so there's no connection between it and what happened with Tone Vays' channel. There's really nothing extraordinary about this story, Youtube bans/restricts popular channels all the time, only those channels who are at the top are more likely to get away with actual bannable offenses.

I'm glad he's been deleted. There are far too many scammy, shilly crypto influencers out there and Tone Vays is no different.

Hopefully Autonopolous gets the same treatment. We need trustworthy, reputable figureheads for the industry, not these snake-oil salesmen.

He'll probably get it reversed or create another account though, sucks.

If you haven't read, it was obviously a mistake on Google's side. Tone's channel is back now. Always remember that software mostly handles the red-flagging of accounts, not actual people.

Wait what? Tone Vays? Shilly? That's literally the opposite of Tone Vays. For the past few years the dude is pretty much a perma-bear.

The case has been resolved with youtube reinstating tone vays channel on their platform.
I usually only tune in when they are running live so never was aware he was asking for bitcoin upto 1BTC for his advisory services, which is probably why they were calling it scammy as others on this thread have come to the conclusion was why his channel was all the sudden banned from youtube.
I will close this thread now but have come to be aware of another rather popular youtube personality to have their channel temporarily banned on youtubes platform at the same time as tone.

Well it looks like one of those youtubers are in the process of putting together a lawsuit against youtube according to this other crypto channel on their own platform. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRUPjLjqa_w
*note this is from the youtube channel the moon which I am not promoting nor do I watch ever because it is just technical analyst on the crypto market which I find boring. ;)

It is hard to see any concrete result even if they take the legal route, if they are having the funds to fight the legal route then it is well and good as the lawyers will be earning a lot of money with a case like these.

As i mentioned in one of the other similar thread, they could terminate an account due to different factors which includes if they receive massive reports against the video they would terminate the channel and would reinstate when they manually check individual cases.


This is the terms of youtube limitation of liability:
YouTube and its Affiliates’ total liability for any claims arising from or relating to the Service is limited to the greater of: (a) the amount of revenue that YouTube has paid to you from your use of the Service in the 12 months before the date of your notice, in writing to YouTube, of the claim and (b) £500, whichever is higher

EDiT: April 23

The reason for the sudden termination of account may be because Ripple is suing YouTube because scammers promoted their scam and they did not take any action by deleting the contents and this lawsuit have something to do with the termination of crypto related accounts.

Well now another one, cryptozombie about an hour ago, has come out who does feel they have had their rights infringed upon. And even mentions another youtuber who discusses cryptocurrency on their channel called datadash, who I do not ever had watched but have heard of, had theirs deleted completely as well.
https://i.ibb.co/wKnxmFh/Clipboard019991.jpg (https://ibb.co/qRHPQ3Y)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0czgCfUtWoc
So it is an occurrence happening to all those crypto influencers who are being painted with a red paint brush due to the reason garlinhouse is suing the platform for.

Youtube is once again fighting non-existent enemies. When will it stop?

Soon ;D

After crypto legalizes in all countries, Youtube will stop that, and I think they will not do that again because crypto will get support from the government. Until that time, I think Youtube will continue deleting the account. I think they delete the account by randomly or that is because of something else. There are many possibilities about that, and unfortunately, we don't know what Youtube reason is. But I hope Youtube doesn't delete any account again in the future.

I have seen this on twitter, his account was banned because he might violate some rules of youtube, that is the only thing I know why some accounts from youtube gets banned. I don't think why youtube keeps banning some contents about cryptocurrency while in fact it is really helpful from others just like some contents of this youtuber.
I am still hopimg that youtube will not ban some accounts from youtube having content of cryptocurrency.

Hope so, because I am always watching contents of him because I find his channel so useful for me having more content about cryptocurrency.

There are some articles which update this ensuing story on the youtube lawsuit with ripple ceo and what they have to say about it from the dailyhodl.
https://coinnounce.com/ripple-takes-legal-action-against-youtube-over-fake-crypto-accounts
https://dailyhodl.com/2020/04/23/youtube-responds-to-ripple-lawsuit-claiming-media-giant-ignores-crypto-criminals

Wait so Ripple the total scam is suing Youtube the scam about the 3rd party scams on the platform.
fine, nothing to see here, move along, these are not the scams you are looking for
and you can just serve anyone for any old shit?
world is a fuck

It's actually saddening to see this. Was this also brought down because it's crypto-related? Cause I've been hearing some news that YouTube (or Google) is against crypto-related channels and is shutting them down.

Oh fucking read the thread you complete idiot, it's not even that long.

They are not breaking any rules because they are not outright banning their channels now but doing this "shadow banning" process to all crypto youtubers now so to think the author of those videos will not notice this was happening under the radar. :-[
Crypto zombie actually found this out the other day when he noticed his views suddenly dropped by a number where it was very hard to not notice what was going on.
https://i.ibb.co/6XWWHhK/Clipboard01991.jpg (https://ibb.co/8Y77r3y)

He even discusses about this process youtube has started to impose on their users so to not get the flack from them on other media platforms such as twitter and the like. Where they can expose them of these bad business practices thinking nobody will find out by flying under the radar with this malpractice. ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aQumGnI2DY
It still goes on in videos published yesterday and today where the traffic levels are way off from previous ones before it.

Youtube do not really bans channels base on sentiment reasons. He must truly break one of their TOS. Unfortunately he is the only person that might have idea which of their rules he went against. I am very sure he must received warning prior to his account being ban and appealing a ban is always positive when you have reasonable reasons you go against their TOS and not pleading to them to get your account reactivated

if that was true then what do you think happen to other crypto channels  . thier video and chanel were also deleted   , there are so many of them and i dont think all of them commit same mistakes of breaking the rules of youtube  .   in his case it was way more better because he recieved a warning before the actuall banning happens while other are just shock that they lost thier contents without any warnings whatsoever   . this is why i dont upload my crypto content right now but i have found other alternative that arent strict

For years now, YouTube has been banning crypto related contents channel and this started when the likes of facebook and twitter put a ban on cryptocurrency promotions across their platforms. The only thing i could decipher is that these platforms dosen't wish cryptocurrency sector well and it's shows more reason why need to promote our own contents platform to avoid being getting totally shut out one day

If people do not trust the first comers, then the amount of fraud will drop significantly. And if some kind of social network comes up with similar points, then this will be like a great chance to remove cryptocurrencies from their site space.

Is youtube deleting the accounts whom channels are related to crypto ? My cousins runs a crypto channel and he is very much worried about this new youtube policy. Do let me if know if Tone Vays is only deleted or other crypto related channels are under a threat of being removed too ?

It's not only him but Youtube has also censored some popular Crypto Influencers like altcoin daily, The Moon, Sunny Decree and Crypto Zombie.
Maybe it's time to change to a decentralize platform, eversince the halving coming up Youtube has started to purge this Crypto videos.

YouTube and Google have recently joined hands to go all out against Bitcoins , they are apparently banning any content which is too much into cryptocurrencies and stuff .
They were supposed to be a free place where people could share their thoughts but it is no more like that .
I highly suggest we guys put forth an appeal for them to see what they are doing , for them to understand that they cannot just go ahead and do this . They are blocking a portion of the community out .
What if soon enough we would not be able to find any results regarding Bitcointalk.org on Google ?
This is not something that should have been done .
Ban bad content , don't ban the things that you are still not able to understand correctly.
Only 10% of it is being used in crime , 90% is actually fruitful usage .

I think that youtube is banning all cryptocurrencies contents in their platform because they don't want to spread cryptocurrency using their platform and I think that they dont want people to know about crypto currency because they are banning any means of tutorials and informations in their YouTube s I think that the most unfortunate here is the ones that the content creators because their video is getting deleted by YouTube which is bad so I hope that youtube will reconsider and bring back the contents that they deleted because I think that it is not against the rules.

^^^^^
If their channel were to be banned today then it would cause an uproar like they had never seen of a twitter storm before. :D
They are streaming on the halving today.
He does have the weirdest thumbnails for his videos on the YT platform though. ;D
https://i.ibb.co/5Mb4Bj3/Clipboard01998.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/N3QJHgK/Clipboard01997.jpg (https://ibb.co/59tSfXL)

PlanB the guy famous for his twitter channel is there live right now explaining their view on the halving.
https://i.ibb.co/tmGMsdc/Clipboard02000.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://twitter.com/100trillionUSD

T-9 blocks away and Tone just mentioned they will be streaming until 12am est midnight.
For this occasion.

On the recent stream they are discussing about Unmaking Satoshi and putting forward some past events related to what happened on the forum.
Quite interesting but mostly just seems they are jumping to conclusions with some of the first members here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbfODrl_Xi4
Judge for yourself if there is any merit to what is in discussion during the two hours in length of the stream.