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Title: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Danydee on April 17, 2020, 08:37:07 PM
Sometimes when playing gambling, when I'm enough focused, sometime I can feel the result, this come just like a certitude in somewhere in my mind!
It is not systematical and occurs just from time to time, but, so when I have that feeling, I can be almost sure of the result, and the prediction turns to be in 99% of the cases correct.


These articles are about researchs that have showed effect of the consciousness on random events generators;

https://mindtrippingshow.com/mind-trip-of-the-week-30-can-our-minds-influence-machines/ ,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Consciousness_Project






Have you ever experienced that kind of phenomenon ?


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Heisenberg_Hunter on April 17, 2020, 09:17:53 PM
Predicting random outputs from dice rolls in a physical game is certainly achievable but predicting the same in an online casino game is commendable and I wouldn't really go by the theory. There have been various researches over the ages that we could probably predict the randomness of game outcomes but an online casino doesn't always code that way. Provably fair casinos have such a factor that 50% of the gaming outcome or the randomized results always favors the house and 50% favors the gambler and this is how the casino runs.

Pseudorandomness is different from randomness. You can atmost try to predict the outcome by judging the previous outcomes and they would favor towards yourself but the same doesn't happen in a cryptographically secured RNG mechanism. For instance in a game of raffle which has bitcoin blocks for guessing the outcomes, you can never predict the last character of the block hash but then predicting a outcome isn't completely impossible. Most likely the block hashes ends with 1,2,a,b,0 and I have experienced a major number of times. The block hashes are indeed cryptographical in nature and its outcomes are never really predicted.

In our forum, I have participated in various raffles and I chose1,2,0,a,b as my winning character which yielded the result. This has gone wrong at times and I have lost the raffle but for at least 50% of the raffles I have participated I have won the game of chances/luck. But I am not sure, the same applies for a random dice generation event as the house is't always generous in making the gambler sweep the money!


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: harizen on April 17, 2020, 09:48:07 PM

Honestly, l feel the same several times but I won't apply some theoretical, scientific and mathematical relations between possible interactions of previsions with the physical game system that affects the future result. I mean how?

I'm pretty sure there no link between these but what I'm seeing here, once our brain reacts if we focus, alongside with other things we have on mind, it makes us feel positive to the point that if we nailed a bet, it will make us think they are correlated and we can actually influence the site's algorithm. Aside from that, playing from strategy-based games, our analysis contributed to our winning chance.

Actually, this isn't happening just in my gambling activity. It also happens in my online game activity especially with the feature of refining items or something along those lines. The success chance here (RNG) is much worst compared to a 0.5-1% house of dice site but when I feel lucky, I'm hitting it everytime.


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Danydee on April 17, 2020, 11:02:13 PM
Do you have watched  
( https://imdb.com/title/tt1385826/ The Adjustment Bureau (https://imdb.com/title/tt1385826/) (With Matt Damon) )  ?

I mean, There is a cause-effect pattern linking between almost everything!


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Lakai01 on April 19, 2020, 10:57:05 AM
Provably fair casinos have such a factor that 50% of the gaming outcome or the randomized results always favors the house and 50% favors the gambler and this is how the casino runs.
I think you mixed up two things. "Provably fair" means, that a player can check the fairness of the outcome of a wager by himself. Take a look at bustadice for example, they offer a service to check your bets online: bustadice wager verifier (https://bustadice.github.io/verifier/). You simply have to input your seeds (server and client) and the site lists the outcome of your played games. The verifier is hosted at github and open source so everyone can review the source code and see that it is legit.

But "Provably fair" has nothing to do with one side winning as often as the other.
If that were the case, casinos would be bankrupt immediately, no casino would be able to survive that for a long time. The outcome of our bets are therefore favouring Casinos at a very low percentage, this is the so-called "house edge (https://knowyourodds.net.au/house-edge/)", which is usually between 1-5% depending on the side:
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The House Edge is a term used to describe the mathematical advantage that the gambling game, and therefore the commercial gambling venue, has over you as you play over time. This advantage results in an assured percentage return to the venue over time, and for you an assured percentage loss of what you bet.

This  simply means that the casino has a 1% higher chance of winning, for example.
If you think of a roulette there is not only red and black, but also the green 0, in which case that would be exactly the small advantage that the casino needs to remain viable. If the House Edge were at 0, no employees, servers and co. could be paid anymore


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Darker45 on April 22, 2020, 12:31:51 PM
Have you ever experienced that kind of phenomenon ?

I've had similar experiences but I will never credit my focus or my mind's power for it. I mean I wanted or even willed to win but we all know that in terms of random gambling, however focused you may be, the result is always beyond our mind's influence. Make no mistake, I believe in the power of the mind but to actually put it to use is another story. So I guess, those were coincidences or strokes of luck.

Do you have watched 
( https://imdb.com/title/tt1385826/ The Adjustment Bureau (https://imdb.com/title/tt1385826/) (With Matt Damon) )  ?

I mean, There is a cause-effect pattern linking between almost everything!

I've watched that film. That was a great movie. But that was hard to believe to be happening in the real world.


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Danydee on April 23, 2020, 07:08:19 PM
I've watched that film. That was a great movie. But that was hard to believe to be happening in the real world.

So in reality if you think on it, events, even the events smallest as imperceptible are in link with other events, influence them and act on the way that they going to turn to, In a way we can say that almost all the events in the univers are linked together.
But if you think more on this, there can be outlets where the distant effects cause issues inconsistent and conflicting that can't possibly occur together in regards of the global matrix and the other events, the global interaction between the events..

So in a first case, the solution is just that the "event" don't happen. Just like something that is expected to occur doesn't happen and there is no explanation why it's taking this way

In the second case, think of when these issues arise (each in opposite side of the matrix),
here the issue can be explained by just two scenarios,
-the Mulivers theory of Hug Everett where the univers is divided to multiple versions
-or some interventions/managements like the ones presented on the movie.




Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: shield132 on April 23, 2020, 09:24:10 PM

Honestly, l feel the same several times but I won't apply some theoretical, scientific and mathematical relations between possible interactions of previsions with the physical game system that affects the future result. I mean how?

I'm pretty sure there no link between these but what I'm seeing here, once our brain reacts if we focus, alongside with other things we have on mind, it makes us feel positive to the point that if we nailed a bet, it will make us think they are correlated and we can actually influence the site's algorithm. Aside from that, playing from strategy-based games, our analysis contributed to our winning chance.

Actually, this isn't happening just in my gambling activity. It also happens in my online game activity especially with the feature of refining items or something along those lines. The success chance here (RNG) is much worst compared to a 0.5-1% house of dice site but when I feel lucky, I'm hitting it everytime.
First of all I want to mention that there is done a lot of math work behind every game that casino offerd and the reason they have house edge is to get rid of bankrupt and keep business running. So on long term casino is winnet.
To make everything clear, in this case you are in a game of math, a numbers where it controls space and everything. You can't win against numbers on long term, you can attack it hardly and gain advantage in which I mean the case when you somehow quickly win huge money. But as time goes, it becomes like you cut one head but two grows. So finally you are the only one left without chance.
Also keep in mind that every bet is unique and has no link to previous one which means your luck is restarted, a brand new on every bet you make. It's not that hard to analize, that's why you have to play for fun, not for profit.
But there are games based on strategy and great example of this is chess. Mixture of luck and strategy is poker. With strategy you can lie players and make them think the way you wish. But without cards you depend on thin air. That's why this game is mixture of luck and strategy, sometimes your weakness can turn into advantage, sometimes even inattentive behavior can become advantage and sometimes even smartness can affect everything in a bad way.


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Ucy on April 24, 2020, 10:34:35 AM
Well, I experience similar thing too. When I am very focused and predict that I will catch some balls or stones I throw far up in the air, I tend to catch them. I even tend to be more effective when I don't think about what I am doing (especially in stuff I am already good at)
I think we just do better at predicting what we assume is random, when we are very focused.


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: swogerino on April 24, 2020, 11:58:33 AM
It doesn’t work.From my latest experience in slot machines I thought I can predict sometimes when the bonus game would appear but I have lost big amount of money by doing so and I guarantee it doesn’t work even when playing dice games or any other luck related game.We are not smarter than the game algorithm since we can’t predict the future.


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Danydee on April 24, 2020, 01:16:38 PM
It doesn’t work.From my latest experience in slot machines I thought I can predict sometimes when the bonus game would appear but I have lost ..

It is not question of mechanically predicting process, it's something (when you are lucky) that make you like can have feeling of somethings ..






.... we can’t predict the future.

Some claims that they do,
https://facebook.com/MajorEdDames/
http://www.thekillshot.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project



Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Saint-loup on April 30, 2020, 09:30:09 PM
Sometimes when playing gambling, when I'm enough focused, sometime I can feel the result, this come just like a certitude in somewhere in my mind!
It is not systematical and occurs just from time to time, but, so when I have that feeling, I can be almost sure of the result, and the prediction turns to be in 99% of the cases correct.


These articles are about researchs that have showed effect of the consciousness on random events generators;

https://mindtrippingshow.com/mind-trip-of-the-week-30-can-our-minds-influence-machines/ ,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Consciousness_Project






Have you ever experienced that kind of phenomenon ?

Do you use your skill to chose client seeds when you play provably fair games?


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Danydee on April 30, 2020, 10:27:28 PM
Do you use your skill to chose client seeds when you play provably fair games?
Did you visted the links above ?!  ???


Client seed can be settled manually on some sites, like (Crypto-Games) ;)  ..     :P



On the old roulette game on bitsler,  some time I gotten average results like (min) 3/2-times win or more betting on Red/Black, Odd/Even ..  :P


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: ralle14 on April 30, 2020, 11:19:01 PM
This mostly happens to me whenever i'm making a profit I get that feeling like i'm about to have a big losing streak if I continue and I agree on what Heisenberg pointed out this is because of past experiences. After getting those results I start to adapt by eventually expect the worse since the probability favors the casino. It would be great if that's the case with gambling but i'd rather not take the risk since it always comes the other way around for me.


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: deisik on May 01, 2020, 06:15:57 AM
I mean, There is a cause-effect pattern linking between almost everything

I don't think it is anything more than an illusion or cognitive bias

We humans tend to see causal relationships in everything, even if there's none. This is how our mind works as it looks for plausible reasons and rational explanations. So if there is no apparent cause (a random event), we imagine one, join the dots, and then start to believe there is. Regarding how true your gut feeling is, it looks more like selection bias. Your mind has probably become very selective, and when your intuition proves correct, you remember this. When it doesn't, you don't. Just pay more attention when it actually fails you and see for yourself how often you lose


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Saint-loup on May 01, 2020, 08:43:23 PM
Do you use your skill to chose client seeds when you play provably fair games?
Did you visted the links above ?!  ???


Client seed can be settled manually on some sites, like (Crypto-Games) ;)  ..     :P



On the old roulette game on bitsler,  some time I gotten average results like (min) 3/2-times win or more betting on Red/Black, Odd/Even ..  :P
Yes that's why I'm asking you if you've ever try to use your power on client seeds of provably fair games.
Sometimes I'm doing it but it never works...  :(


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Danydee on May 01, 2020, 10:23:56 PM

Yes that's why I'm asking you if you've ever try to use your power on client seeds of provably fair games.
Sometimes I'm doing it but it never works...  :(
Do you mean that choosing client seed string in a certain manner could influence the results in your favor ?  ???
Whatever you choose it remains and is treated as random string used to just sign the randomness operation !


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Saint-loup on May 08, 2020, 09:45:58 PM

Yes that's why I'm asking you if you've ever try to use your power on client seeds of provably fair games.
Sometimes I'm doing it but it never works...  :(
Do you mean that choosing client seed string in a certain manner could influence the results in your favor ?  ???
Whatever you choose it remains and is treated as random string used to just sign the randomness operation !
It's not totally random anymore if your theory about the influence of the spirit is true.  :)
Personally if I heard or read a word that grabs my attention, or if a word comes to my mind, I play it as client seed on freebitcoin.
But I lose every time or I win very little amounts...


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Danydee on May 08, 2020, 10:40:26 PM
It's not totally random anymore if your theory about the influence of the spirit is true.  :).
Do you understand, seeds are used just to sign and to ensure the privacy of the communication between the client an the server,


Personally if I heard or read a word that grabs my attention, or if a word comes to my mind, I play it as client seed on freebitcoin.
But I lose every time or I win very little amounts...
Better for you try guessing the results of the rolls,
And believe me, it is not impossible.

Or put a finger on the RNG of the server :D  Anyway that's what the OP is about  ;D


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: nakamura12 on May 08, 2020, 10:43:49 PM
Well, I do feel the same sometimes but I think it's because I am lucky at that time and It also makes me think too since I won but in the end I am just lucky at that time. So, I don't really think about it that much since I only depend on my decision making and determine if I am lucky today or not at all.


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Saint-loup on May 08, 2020, 11:28:55 PM
It's not totally random anymore if your theory about the influence of the spirit is true.  :).
Do you understand, seeds are used just to sign and to ensure the privacy of the communication between the client an the server,


Personally if I heard or read a word that grabs my attention, or if a word comes to my mind, I play it as client seed on freebitcoin.
But I lose every time or I win very little amounts...
Better for you try guessing the results of the rolls,
And believe me, it is not impossible.

Or put a finger on the RNG of the server :D  Anyway that's what the OP is about  ;D
No it doesn't work exactly like that.
In a provably fair game the outcome is a mathematical operation between the server seed (the value the house is playing) and the client seed(the value you are playing).
If you don't choose manually your (client) seed, your browser will put a random one and you won't see anything.
On freebitcoin for example, the outcome is computed like that (the nonce is just the number of your roll) :

Quote
Two strings are created :
STRING1 = "[NONCE]:[SERVER SEED]:[NONCE]"
STRING2 = "[NONCE]:[CLIENT SEED]:[NONCE]"

Then HMAC-SHA512 is used to hash STRING1 with STRING2 as the secret key, giving us a 128 character hex string.

The first 8 characters of the hex string are taken and converted to a decimal.

This decimal is then divided by 429496.7295 and rounded off to the nearest whole number.

This whole number is used as your roll, with the maximum possible value being 10,000.
Once you've played you can check it by doing the calculation yourself (you should also check if the hash of the server seed given before the roll is the right hash of the server seed given after the roll)
In short, manually choosing a client seed is like rolling the dices yourself, not choosing it is like letting a robot play for you...


Title: Re: PREVISION / INFLUENCIATION on Randomness / Randomised results
Post by: Wexnident on May 09, 2020, 02:18:12 AM
I have pretty much felt the same experience sometimes whenever I play, however, if you were to put it in an explanation based on various facts and the like, isn't it like putting off the idea itself? Basing it on scientific theory or idea is like saying luck can be quantified into numbers. Yes, games do that, but let's be real, life ain't a game. Besides, I don't know about you but experiencing it various times, the opposite could also be said the same. Having been in a focused state where I think the probability of me winning is pretty high, by the end of it all, I still lost quite a few times. Yes, you could say that it wasn't the "focused" state you were pertaining to, but who says that? Who says that your state was "focused" and mine wasn't right? Is it because I lost? Then that kind of puts the idea of a "focused" state in a bias judgment. I think.