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Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2020, 01:53:04 AM

Is Sweden throwing caution to the wind and ignoring social distancing or are they being reasonable during the pandemic? The HighWire went to Sweden to get to the truth.

The first one. They are valuing economic health above physical health. Doesn't fit my definition of reasonable.

Anger in Sweden as elderly pay the price for Coronavirus strategy (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/19/anger-in-sweden-as-elderly-pay-price-for-coronavirus-strategy)

The values below comparing Sweden to its Nordic neighbours are a week old, but still illustrate the point:

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As of today [14 Apr], over 1,000 Swedes have died from Covid-19, an increase of 114 deaths on the previous day's figure and around 11,440 have been infected, out of a population of 10 million.

Denmark (population 5.6 million) has seen 300 deaths and 6,500 cases,
Norway (5.3 million) has seen a death toll of 140 with 6,600 cases,
Finland (5.5 million) has been relatively unscathed with 64 deaths and just 3,000 cases.

_{https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0414/1130498-sweden-approach-coronavirus/}

... so Swedish death rate (per head of population) is roughly 2x Denmark's, 4x Norway's and 8x Finland's.

Quote from: Cnut237 on April 21, 2020, 02:02:10 PM

Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2020, 01:53:04 AM

Is Sweden throwing caution to the wind and ignoring social distancing or are they being reasonable during the pandemic? The HighWire went to Sweden to get to the truth.

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_{https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0414/1130498-sweden-approach-coronavirus/}

... so Swedish death rate (per head of population) is roughly 2x Denmark's, 4x Norway's and 8x Finland's.

Personally, I opt for freedom.

What this means to me is, I can do whatever I want, as long as I don't hurt anybody else.

Government should advertise and warn by shouting the dangers all over the place, and by offering ideas about what to do. Other than that, I am free.

I mean, if people want to go out in public after they have heard all about the dangers, that's up to them... just like they can find any number of ways to commit suicide. If everybody else heeds the precautions and stays indoors, great. I'll have fun out there with my buddies who feel like I do.

Get government out of it except for massive advertising, so people cannot say that they were not warned.

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Well, Sweeden... other countries...

Probably many of us have received this email. It's kinda funny in some ways. Bill Bonner.

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SAN MARTIN, ARGENTINA – “What have we learned from this Coronavirus shutdown?” asked a recent acquaintance, rhetorically.

Then came the answer: “The importance of a good wine cellar and a bidet.”

Clandestine Visit

We met our new friends clandestinely, at the only hotel in the area. They are French, a psychiatrist and her neurologist husband.

They arrived just as the country was shutting down and locking up. They were at the hotel when the stay-at-home order came down five weeks ago. They are still there.

“The whole thing is unbelievable,” explained the shrink. “We were here on a visit. And then we couldn’t leave.

“At first, we were quarantined in our room for 14 days. We weren’t allowed to leave the room. Then, the hotel closed. Everybody left. The manager, the maids, everybody.

“But we had nowhere to go, all the flights had been cancelled. So they just left us in the hotel. Fortunately, they left us the keys to the wine cellar and the kitchen.

“As for the bidet, we realized how important that was when we ran out of toilet paper.”

We visited for a few minutes. Like plague survivors, we huddled alone in the hotel’s courtyard… fearful of being discovered by zombies.

“Fortunately, or unfortunately, we have the internet,” the doctor continued. “I follow the news. I don’t know what is going on. It’s as if most of the world has gone crazy. Mon Dieu. It’s just a virus. It’s not The Plague.

“There are about a million people in this province, that is in a space about the size of Texas. But there are only three cases of the virus… all of them people who had just come from Spain. And none of them very serious.

“And yet, they stop you from going to work… or even from going to restaurants or driving down the road to visit friends.

“It’s crazy. A lot of these people are poor. They need to work to eat. And nobody’s life is going to be saved by these restrictions. Because there’s no virus here. It’s crazy.

“But we’re okay. I’m used to working long hours in a hospital. Here, at least, I’m enjoying a rest.

“And my wife’s been able to keep working. She gets together with her crazy patients via video conferencing… And her business is doing well.

“Her patients are trapped in their houses and apartments… They’re getting crazier and crazier.”

We could not visit for long. We arrived by a side entrance… and left the same way.

But “crazier and crazier” seemed to sum up so much of what is going on today…

Great National Purpose

As time goes by, it becomes clearer and clearer that the C-virus is just a virus. It kills old people. For young people, it is much less of a threat than suicide or auto accidents.

And yet, their world – their economy, their jobs, their social lives… all have been up-ended.

Of course, not everybody minds. Some people feel a certain jubilation in the fight against the virus, as if they were in a real war. It gives their lives fake meaning.

Gone are the real worries – about their jobs… about earning money… about getting along with sisters-in-law… settling their bar tabs… or moving their son out of the basement.

All their real cares and concerns suddenly disappear in a cloud of Great National Purpose.

Now, they spend their hours getting mad at politicians for clamping down… or easing up. Or, they argue about “flattening the curve” or “herd immunity.”

Is Mr. Trump doing a great job, as he says he is? Or is he the clueless clown that the liberal media describes?

There’s even a word for it: lachesism. It is based on the French word lâcher which, as a verb, means to “give up” or “let go.” As a noun, it means “coward” or “shirker.”

Now, with the virus all around us, many people have an excuse to lâcher and focus on something else entirely… something they have no control over.

Meanwhile, things get crazier and crazier…

A Sane Person in a Nuthouse

The U.S. budget deficit, for example, is already headed to $4 trillion this year. And yet, here comes another budget-buster to “top up” the aid package. Roll Call:

Congressional leaders and the White House have an agreement in principle on a nearly $500 billion coronavirus relief package and are now working through the final details, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Monday night.

And here’s the Committee for Responsible Federal Budget on the Fed:

On net, we estimate these measures total $1.7 trillion in economic support so far – including $1.2 trillion from expanding its holdings of Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities. The total measures the Federal Reserve has announced it will allow itself to undertake could total as much as $9.2 trillion, or potentially more, if continued at current purchase limits through May 31. Federal Reserve actions have no direct impact on the federal budget deficit.

And just to make sure nobody gets in the way of their spending lollapalooza, the swamp denizens are out to eliminate the only member of Congress who stood in their way. The New York Times:

House Republicans Take Aim at Thomas Massie After Stimulus Vote

Mr. Massie dared to make the totally un-crazy suggestion that if the people’s representatives were going to spend the equivalent of 10% of GDP… money the Fed doesn’t have, by the way… at least they should go on record, yea or nay.

Gotta get rid of him immediately, say Republican fixers. The last thing you want in a nuthouse is a sane person. He makes the inmates feel… well… crazy. ;D

Stay tuned…

it is soo funny
badecker cares soo much about US deficit. and give zero craps about human health
hasnt he realised most people wrote of american economy in 2008

what is he protecting.
does badecker not realise the benefits and reasons why bitcoin was created.
why does badecker love his fiat and government and big pharma so much. trying his hardest to sell the benefits of getting people to buy chemicals in carparks

if badecker wants 'freedom' he can easily go out of his basement. go to the store, buy some bear and some burgers. and light up a barbecue in the back yard
he can even stay in his basement but have the freedom to research beyond the 5 websites that he felt limited to.

but why is badecker not realising what he can do. and instead is busy repeating scripts and rhertoric from january's crap news media stories.
why is badecker refusing to even look into the AZ DHS website. which would be a good resource for him in particular because its info about the particular area he live in

no badecker is not interested in information that can affeect him. instead he wants to repeat crap scripts abou area's that has nothing to do with where he is, and details that he is too afraid to even check. so he just blindly follows the faux news as if its true by using his ignorance to fact check.

yep badcker.
if you want some proof and you care about how things can affect you personally
start closer to home. the AZ DHS can tell you more than your bigtree fangirl links can

.. hey badecker.. BIG NEWS JUST FOR YOU
arizona governor says:

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Engaging in outdoor exercise activities, such as walking, hiking, running, biking or golfing, but only if appropriate physical distancing practices are used.

yep badecker. you can go out and play golf. just like sweden
you are allowed to leave the house. no one is forcing you to stay in your basement

oh by the way arizona has not banned farmers markets.
they just said be smart, use common sense and distance market booths atleast 6feet apart

in some ways some american states went into lockdown all at the same time even when their state didnt have many cases
but with an r0 of 2.6 a week
50-130-338
having just 50 cases passing it on. turns into 338 before the first 50 have recovered from hospital.
meaning when the 338 turn up the total bed occupancy is 518
yep thats how rapid it can be.

i know when a state only has one case its more like
1-3-7-20-50
5 weeks to get that 50 infectee rate
which actually explains a scientific reason why america waited until march to generally go into lockdown instead of february when they had their first cases.

but the point is knowing that a week is a multiple of 2.6, delaying a lockdown by a week makes a bigger difference
imagine instead of waiting for 50 in an area. they waited a week
130-338-878 (1347)
so big changes occur in short timescales
most hospitals only have so many ICU beds
with even bigger numbers the more its delayed

arizona has. if everybed was only filled with covid cases. 14k speciality beds
they locked down when numbers were around the 130 cases area
meaning
130-338-878-1400-1400-1400 * isolation caused stabilisation of the growth
but imagine just 2 weeks of not locking down in arizona
878-2282-5935-5935-5935* the beds would have been over capacity
yep just a 2 week delay to implement isolation would have caused a bed overflow
now use the number 130 and do 2.6 and continue doing 2.6 multiples until you get to high 6 digits. just to see what kind of numbers would be involved in such a short time

at the moment arizona has 14k beds for severe stuff. but lets say 4k are taken up for other ailments. and only 10k for covid.
well those not able to get one of them beds would obviously die due to no treatment(no air=no life. obviously)

so comparing the
130-338-878-2282-5935-15431-40120-104313-271215-705159
die: 15 45 110 5k 30k 90k 260k 690k die due to no treatment

as you can see. no lockdown really changes things very very fast
those numbers are per week not per season/year

and thats accounting for only a 10% severity (7mill pop-700k severe)

one thing to note about most 'old peoples homes' questions many have asked

yep many are questioning why these old people getting covid in care homes are not being sent to hospital.

every elderly person has had a review of their care plan which includes DNR (do not resuscitate)
this is standard practice for care homes that has been around for decades and not new due to covid
however instead of 6-12month reviews the elderly did have a review update recently due to this new event

the reason is because they are told if their chance of survival is so low its best to just stay in a care home and be given palliative/end of life care (pain killers and sedatives, to allow them to pas away peacefully if it becomes that severe)

a few hospitals also do get admissions. to treat the immediate symptom. and then released back to the care home once it reaches the point of no further treatment requested on the care plan.

in short a few old people have care plans where they will get treatment for mild stuff but if they are told they need a ventilator the elderly requests or their care plan mentions to be discharged back to their care home to die with dignity at home

.. this actually explains why some hospital numbers report X discharged (which has been umbrella's as 'cured') but later that person dies.
not due to second infections. but due to the first and only infection not being resolved fully in the first place

Quote from: Captain-Cryptory on April 23, 2020, 08:42:58 AM

Don’t they know what’s going on in NY?

swedish cities are not as dense as NYC
infact many countries are different
infact different states in america have different policies
NYC is not allowing leisure activities but just basic daily walk/exercise and groceries.. yet badeckers home state allows them to play golf

its all about how many contagions there are at any one time in any location. if things get worse fast, then restrictions change.

the thing im predicting is that al them dense people doing protests in city centers like michigan. standing shoulder to shoulder en-masse will result in a rise of cases over the next few weeks.

basically their stupidity will be the cause of tightening restrictions rather then loosening them.

summary: stay at a distance, dont touch random things then lick your hand or eat food without washing hands/food first. and definetly dont lick door knobs
(yep there are actual people that lick door knobs and shopping carts on purpose)

in most cases governments of most countries are trying their best to advise their citizens to be smart and do things for themselves to reduce the risk of passing it around so fast. but when stupid people think they can ignore the advice and shout 'if its not a punishable law ill ignore the advice' they are the stupid ones that make the advice become more mandatory rule which can then become punishable

thus they are the cause of their own situation

.. take this example in ohio

"Last month John McDaniel, a 60-year-old from Marion, Ohio, wrote a series of Facebook posts in which he described the coronavirus outbreak as a “political ploy” and decried the “madness” of the governor’s decision to close the state’s restaurants and bars.

“If you are paranoid about getting sick, just don’t go out,” he wrote, adding that others should not be prevented from “living [their] lives”.

A few weeks later, Mr McDaniel died from complications related to Covid-19, becoming one of more than 40,000 Americans to have perished from the disease. In his obituary, his family requested that “everyone continue practising social distancing to keep each other safe”.
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Quote from: Captain-Cryptory on April 23, 2020, 08:42:58 AM

Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2020, 01:53:04 AM

Is Sweden throwing caution to the wind and ignoring social distancing or are they being reasonable during the pandemic? The HighWire went to Sweden to get to the truth.

Russians have flat out good saying just for this occasion - "don't piss against wind". So far social distancing combined with masks is the nicest way to prevent the disease from spreading. Ignoring that, Swedes are at risk of becoming infected literally with the speed of wind. Don’t they know what’s going on in NY?

That's why we take:
Vitamin C
Vitamin D3
Zinc
Vitamin A
Quinine, if we can get it
And generally eat well.

This way, even those of us who have been set up for CV by being vaxxed, have a great chance to not even get the flu or a cold.

Russians are into to much vodka... or actually, too much vodka is into them.

Masks are practically useless. Don't kiss your wife.

Do it right. Get into an isolation chamber. You can get your own hyperbaric oxygen chamber, and set it up so you are totally isolated against the world. You won't catch anything that way, lol.

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Quote from: Sadlife on April 23, 2020, 02:05:27 PM

It's kinda weird how are they okay even when the most disciplined country like Japan has sky rocketed in amounts getting infected. Im just skeptical because we have seen even rich countries like Korea and Singapore with less population and people properly following quarantine protocols but they got infected despite all that safety precautions.

what you have to look at is things like border crossing
for instance america done ALOT of 'repatriation' flights from china in january. then alot from itally weeks after, when they started getting it so america brought alot of people across
america didnt start with 1 case then next week 3 then next week 3 ad so on 9,27,81
they were bringing dozens/hundreds back so the numbers in early february made them have alot before the march isolation
sweden didnt do much repatriation and they done other preparations aswell as having better healthcare and better demograph of people

so when they started telling people to stay 2 metres apart. the slowed down the spread before it really began. thus less numbers
sweden actually do contact tracing. something that UK/US didnt do
so again cut down the spread before it had much chance

but here is the thing. although sweden done social distancing and contact tracing. this stopped the exponential near vertical graph plot line. they do have a slower more linear diagonal growth line.. that is not plateauing and not declining.

this shows that if america/UK relax the 'stay home' advise and just do social distance like sweden. there would be growth. but instead of it being 2 months like first wave of UK/US it would be more like 5-9months before numbers start to get critical

UK/US hope to keep their temporary hospitals active enough to stretch it to 9-12months before critical numbers get near bed capacity. but you have to realise by swedens method that social distance and contact tracing alone does not keep a flatline

Quote from: Sadlife on April 23, 2020, 02:05:27 PM

It's not weird if you know that what the governments say is the cause of COVID19 is a lie.

Sweden kept the schools open, since children are pretty much immune to getting seriously sick. The children are the biggest help to developing herd immunity. The older people (or the people who are susceptible if the people in the know would release that information) are the ones who need to be cautious until herd immunity is achieved by the rest of the population. I heard they've nearly succeeded at this goal.

Over here it's the opposite. They closed the schools first, and then closed most everything else down before there were 5 reported cases in the area. It's all about making a sensationalized media story showing that it is far worse than it really is.

Quote from: BADecker on April 24, 2020, 02:45:00 AM

Hot mic at the White House!; Sweden’s gamble pays off; Scientists, Doctors, Journalists, and Politicians agree on the Lockdown Calamity.

EDIT: Thanks, tvbcof.

and meanwhile
at 43minutes into the video. bigtree does bad maths
even at bigtree's 50x factor
firstly 43million of GUESSED infected(untested) is only 13% population

so 48k deaths of 13% =369k deaths of 100%
also you need to factor in that if isolation didnt slow it down to 13% currently
if more and more people got it. hospitals would be over run. meaning even more deaths because people are unable to get a hospital bed to get air and treatment. so the numbers would be higher than 369k

..
big tree is trying to use the effectiveness of self isolation. as the reason why its not bad. but saying it was never going to be bad.
he has no clue about maths

and he will be eating his own words when ACTUAL studies show that its not a 50x factor. but a lower factor meaning less people have it asymptomatically than he projects. meaning more people yet to get it. meaning more people yet to get sick and potentially die

learn the whole point of the self isolation
its not some magic pil of assymptomatic magic. its slowing/preventing the spread because loads of people were getting sick

its kind of funny how even if bigtree multiplies numbers by 50. its still leaves alot of dead people

oh..
and factcheck
california randomly tested 3300 people and 2.5-5.2% tested positive for antibodies
..
so lets do some better maths
and yes il even use the extreme bigtree math
lets use the 5.2% with antibodies
with santa clara having a total pop of 129k =6,700 possible asymptomatic people now with anitbodies
but wait. santa clara has 1900 that were sick enough to be tested.

so the sick 1900 vs asymptomatic 6700
is not a 50x. nor a 20x... but a 4x
yep and thats me using the higher worse case numbers

so bigtree calling out a 50x is not even what the study shows
5% is not 50X

Quote from: franky1 on April 24, 2020, 03:52:10 AM

Quote from: BADecker on April 24, 2020, 02:45:00 AM

Hot mic at the White House!; Sweden’s gamble pays off; Scientists, Doctors, Journalists, and Politicians agree on the Lockdown Calamity.

EDIT: Thanks, tvbcof.

People dead? When did such a thing as death ever stop? But probably far less than the standard flu year.

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also to add
sweden decided on lax restrictions based a model where by for every positive test 1000 were asymptomatic(untested)..
but this was debunked 2 days ago when they realised. based on real maths that a city of 1 milion people.. would have 6 million people infected..
yep bad math you cant have 6 million people infected if there are only 1million physical people.

so now they are revising the maths.
and yet to do actual proper antibody tests...

but i still laugh at california's antibody test
"A California serology study of 3300 people released last week in a preprint also drew strong criticisms. The lead authors of the study, Jay Bhattacharya and Eran Bendavid, who study health policy at Stanford University, worked with colleagues to recruit the residents of Santa Clara county through ads on Facebook. Fifty antibody tests were positive—about 1.5%. But after adjusting the statistics to better reflect the county’s demographics, the researchers concluded that between 2.49% and 4.16% of the county’s residents had likely been infected. "

so america 330m has 5mill infected not recorded
or doing playful maths of 2.49-4.16
is 8.29m-13.7m

yep no where near badeckers influencer bigtrees numbers of 40mill

its real funy because
even as far back as january february it were estimating
30% asymptomatic. 50% mild <- not tested due to not sick enough to go to hospital

which is much closer math than bigtree's bad math.

i think a 10%-20% severity is about right. and it depends if its in an area of younger population or high density population which can increase the viral load, and ofcourse those that suffer and die at home avoiding hospital/having a DNR on care plan

but if you take this 10-20% that need hospital and realise that there is not enough hospital beds for 10-20% .. people need to see the reason for isolation to delay the influx of severe patients

the pro's and cons of face masks are this

pro:
1. if someone is within 2 metres of you and coughs on your face with mouth open. a mask will stop it entering your mouth
2. if you have corona and you cough. the mask you wear catches it

now to explain.
1. by not being within 2 metres of someone negates the need
2. if you have corona and symptomatic. stay home or go to hospital if severe

now the cons
1. supply/demand makes it hard to get/expensive. thus less supplies for nurses that need it because they cant avoid being near the sick
2. regular people are stupid they will adjust it for comfort and when talking to people to not muffle their voice
3. adjusting it/taking it off means your hand is touching your face more often then usual
4. those wearing a mask suddenly think they are immortal and safe to take other risks like standing close to people
5. they stop washing hands and touch things because they think the mask blocks it from entering their mouth. but(see con 2)

so the best advice is
stay 2 metres apart. dont touch random things or if you do wash hands regularly. plus the thing you touch. and if sick. stay home or go to hospital if severe

only urban area's where its hard to stay away from people should wear it.
EG a city block of apartments where hundreds of people take their daiiy exercise has a more pro than say someone living in the open air land of arizona

feel free to make your own mask. but just remember this one rule. STOP TOUCHING YOUR FACE

Quote from: BADecker on April 24, 2020, 02:20:16 PM

I had always considered Sweden to be an unfree country because of their socialism. But now I see that they are a smart country because they recognized that Coronavirus is simply a common flu type of disease. So they didn't go to all kinds of extremes like most other countries.

The problem with their numbers of cases and deaths from Covid-19 is, their doctors still recognize the world medical community. This means that their doctors are reporting a whole lot of CV deaths that aren't really CV deaths, just like the rest of the world. How do we know? Because they have admitted, worldwide, their tests are inaccurate. And they have admitted, worldwide, that their medical heads have told the doctors to report Covid-19 no matter what the disease is.

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badecker i already debunked your conspiracy about the ICD-10 death certificates. you are so ignorant.

heck even bigtree debunked himself by featuring the document that talked about how a death certificate was to be filled out and it actually said list the symptoms in order of last first and also include as much info as possible and test samples, results scans etc

but hey blind people cant even read the very info presented to them. they just believe stupid idiots that say 'its fake'

I never cared much for Sweden because of their liberalism and socialism. But you can admire them for "sticking together" in this fake-CV pandemic, which is really a media-caused pandemic. Watch the video in the linked site below.

If Sweden is so wrong to keep pubs open why is its health chief's face the tattoo everyone wants? ASKS IAN GALLAGHER (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/281711-2020-04-26-if-sweden-is-so-wrong-to-keep-pubs-open-why.htm)

Quote from: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8257353/Swedens-virus-expert-popular-people-getting-FACE-tattoo.html

There were endless pints of Guinness and London Pride bitter, while rules about not standing at the bar and ensuring a 5ft distance between tables were scrupulously observed.

Unsurprisingly, Covid-19 monopolised conversation, but it was a convivial evening nonetheless. Wobbling slightly, an elderly customer sauntered off at closing time with a tune on his lips.

Those minded to dial a shop- a-neighbour hotline should rest easy, for this Tudor Arms is not in the UK, but is a British-themed pub in Stockholm. In Sweden, the rules are different. It refuses to join the rest of the world in harsh quarantine.

Children are still in school, bars and restaurants are open, as are garden centres and shops; crowds of up to 50 are allowed, and no one is chastised for sunbathing, sitting on park benches or daring to flee to countryside boltholes.

It is a strategy aimed at allowing some exposure to the disease to build immunity among the general population, while protecting the vulnerable and ensuring hospitals are not overwhelmed.

While the lockdown isn't officially over in Arizona, people can do just about anything that they want. An underground market is springing up. The only bad part for Sweden is, they will have to quarantine their whole nation from the rest of the world just to avoid the world lockdowns.

GAME OVER: The Swedish - Belarus COVID Herd Immunity Strategy Has Won (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/281809-2020-04-27-game-over-the-swedish-belarus-covid-herd-immunity-strategy-has.htm)

Quote from: https://russia-insider.com/en/game-over-swedish-belarus-covid-herd-immunity-strategy-has-won/ri29837

They had no symptoms or so little they did not even know they had it. Some 1,500 died, mortality 0.25%. In tough competition, the seasonal flu is still leading. 0.25% is share of those infected, the mortality to the whole population would be 0.015%, which would make the seasonal flu win hands down.

Hope when Putin hears about this today he orders Mayor Sobyanin to tear down his cybergulag, as fun as he might have in experimenting in hype technology and people's lives.

Today, the Public Health Authority presented a new study that estimates that one third of everyone in Stockholm County will be infected with sars-cov-2 on May 1st this year. There will be about 600,000 people.

Many unconfirmed cases

The study is a mathematical modeling of the spread of the virus in Stockholm County. It is based partly on the so-called Stockholm study that was conducted a few weeks ago when randomly tested 700 Stockholmers and partly the new infected cases that are reported daily.

Quote from: BADecker on April 27, 2020, 10:23:41 PM

randomly tested 700 Stockholmers and partly the new infected cases that are reported daily.

2.5% tested positive
so the mortality rate is 0.x% but thats just while only 2.5% of people have got covid.
this means the number of deaths will rise with the more people that get it. to the tune of 40x
so that turns a 0.x% mortality into a x.x% mortality

yes the whole was that the percentage of 'mild symptomatic'/assymptomatic would be higher. whereby people developed antibodies without any/severe symptoms.. but now they are realising that not many are getting it.
this is because people are social distancing
now with the death rate being what it is at 2.5% spread. multiply the death rate by 40 and thats what you'll expect at full population spread.

infact. with there being more 'sufferers' that need hospital, than that of those that die.. multiply it by 10 and thats how many hospital admittances (400x of current deaths). and you start to grasp the concept of hospital bed/supply/capacity issues.

and if a hospital does become over whelmed. guess what more people end up dying untreated

i know badecker cant google and definetly cant google translate
so here it is
https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/publicerat-material/publikationsarkiv/f/forekomsten-av-covid-19-i-region-stockholm-26-mars3-april-2020/
"The report reports the result of a self-sampling of covid-19 in the Stockholm region during the period March 26 and April 3, 2020. The results show that approximately 2.5% of Stockholmers carried SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes covid-19. , in the upper respiratory tract at the time of the examination. The survey included 738 invited participants aged 2 to 86 who performed self-sampling at home and reported any symptoms via a survey."

..
reference of the study also includes a study in austra of over a 1300 samples. of which only 0.32% had antibodies.

all of this just shows what i have said for many weeks. this is the calm before the storm.

so santa clara california 1.5%
so stockholm sweden 2.5%
so austria 0.32%

and yet badecker thinks 99% of people have and it and its time to go back to business as usual and the whole pandemic is over with (facepalm)

badeckeker if you were warned of 100mph winds. and so far only felt 2.5mph would you say the storm hasnt started yet or try to convince yourself the storm is over

as for belarus
well china was reporting from their 50th case in a day early january.. america was reporting their 50th case feb 24th
belarus only has its 50th case in a day on march 19th
yep belarus is not even feeling the breeze yet
in comparison swedens 50th case per day was march 4th

so belarus is not ahead of sweden in recovery. its actualy a couple weeks behind
belarus is actually tightening up not loosening.
as is sweden

Quote from: franky1 on April 28, 2020, 08:41:09 AM

Quote from: BADecker on April 27, 2020, 10:23:41 PM

randomly tested 700 Stockholmers and partly the new infected cases that are reported daily.

Thanks again, franky1, for advertising for me. Did you notice in your article you found? Did you see the word "self-sampling?" So, the people sampled themselves at home, and decided if they had or didn't have CV.

I just want to thank you for using this kind of self-examination type of checking for CV, to show that the university studies that showed antibodies in thousands that were tested, has to be accurate, because it was done by professionals looking for the truth.

And this message is for any of franky1's peers. Please don't be too hard on him. After all, he is really working in your best interest... right franky1?

BTW, we are finding out that we are "cleaner," even, than Sweden...

Pennsylvania Forced To Remove HUNDREDS Of Deaths From Coronavirus Death Count... (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/281853-2020-04-28-pennsylvania-forced-to-remove-hundreds-of-deaths-from-coronavirus-death.htm)

Quote from: https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=145574

The PA health department decided to include "probable" coronavirus deaths, or an assumed COVID-19-related death without testing for the virus, to their death tolls, dating back days and even weeks ago. But the death toll spike raised questions from coroners who came forward to highlight a discrepancy in death totals, which were not adding up to the number of all-cause deaths.

The scrutiny triggered multiple revisions and statements from the department, including the removal of 200 "probable" COVID-19 deaths and a claim of computer "glitching."

"Pennsylvania started to include 'probable deaths' in its fatalities. As a result, the total number of coronavirus deaths grew by 276, then 360, in successive nights, almost doubling the number of deaths in the state in two days," a Fox News report explained.

Quote from: franky1 on April 29, 2020, 03:07:23 AM

and that debunks your other topic claim..
the things like hospices. most countries and states dont include the hospice deaths. pensylvania temporarily did then retracted it . and instead sticking to only included covid19 positive tests.

thus debunking your whole premise that no one in stats is tested.

this is getting funny that you end up using a second claim that debunks the first claim.
maybe try to catch up on which script your reading and pasting so you dont trip up on yourself as much

I know. It's difficult for you. But thank you, franky1, for advertising for me anyway.

It's almost embarrassing for me when you put words into my mouth. I know that you have to do this sometimes, just to hide from the fact that you are really supporting me. So, should I contradict you, or embrace you? Mostly I am showing people what others have said. I might make a remark about it. But just because others say something, doesn't mean anybody has quizzed me on my personal beliefs.

The point about testing isn't that nobody is tested. The point is that the tests are inconclusive for several reasons, including the one in the website that I think you are referring to - https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=145574. If you are referring to some other website, please clarify.

Actually, I don't think anybody really knows if you are referring to me at all with your above quoted post. Maybe I shouldn't be so assuming. But, if you were, thanks for the advertising. We know how hard it is to remain formally against the idea that CV is a hoax, and yet advertise on behalf of people who understand it is a hoax. You are doing a remarkable job of this.

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Quote from: greenlanternlight01 on May 03, 2020, 12:44:02 PM

Quote from: BADecker on April 21, 2020, 01:53:04 AM

Is Sweden throwing caution to the wind and ignoring social distancing or are they being reasonable during the pandemic? The HighWire went to Sweden to get to the truth.

ALL EYES ON SWEDEN
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/78HEUFjzOW4/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLDOaekChxFFiMuMh9HSzAPjw9M7iA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78HEUFjzOW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78HEUFjzOW4)

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There is only one thing real about this, it's just that people in Sweden are way more disciplined that any other nationalities. As one article shows, it's just a culture of trust and obedience.

The culture of trust and obedience is in the United States. Why? Because franky1 showed us the CDC websites - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/sars-cov-2-seqs/ and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MN997409 - which are supposed to show virus sequencing that proves that people are being made sick by Covid-19.

But here is what you will find if you look at the testing. The testing shows that all kinds of viruses are shown besides Covid-19. Further, the tests show that nobody knows if it really IS Covid-19, or if it is something like SARS or MERS, both of which have been conquered years ago. IN OTHER WORDS, the test have shown that there is no conclusive proof for what is causing the people to be sick.

You have the links, above. So, check them out, and see if you can find even one test that proves Covid-19 rather than showing a whole family of Coronaviruses. I would like to see it.

The point is, people in the USA and around the world are trusting their doctors, who are trusting other doctors, who are trusting a few people in the WHO, who are being controlled by Communist China, who is lying to us all. It just happens that Sweden has an honest doctor at its head... a doctor who saw early on that the statistics coming out of the WHO don't add up.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 03, 2020, 03:00:04 PM

what badecker has not comprehended is that the subdirectory /sars-cov-2-seq/ are the ones submitted that are JUST covid19

other sub directories have other sequences for previous viruses
and if you compare sequences from DIFFERENT subcategories you learn that the ones in /sars-cov-2/ are new and only discovered in december 2019
meaning covid19

also those sequences in /sars-cov-2-seq/ are from samples from patients suffering from certain list of symptoms that are not the same as previous viruses.
again proof

its common sense stuff (well for those that are not badecker)
which is more proof that sweden would not be at a ~1.2 r0 if they had more idiots like badecker in their population

Quote from: franky1 on May 03, 2020, 04:17:06 PM

Quote from: BADecker on May 03, 2020, 03:00:04 PM

Okay. Link to a few of those sub-directories for us. Maybe even learn how to use quotes. Possibly explain how the info in those sub-directories you link to shows only Covid-19.

But here is the most important part. Show that it is Covid-19 that is making a person sick, and not something else.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 03, 2020, 03:00:04 PM

It should be rather straightforward to come up with an antibody test. Just need some antigens specific to the so-called 'SARS-cov-19'. If there really is no particular coronavirus which is strongly correlated with 'covid-19' disease that they are claiming people had and died from, that would explain the fearsome trouble they are having in coming up with the various tests which 'work.'

I would point out that creating a vaccine involves careful isolation of the antigens, creating them in a highly purified form (hopefully without a lot of undetected and unknown pig viruses in the mix as was the case with the rotovirus vaccines) then doing careful mixing and a lot of testing. If they think they can get done with tat in '6 months' when they cannot even get an antibody serology test to work right, that's mighty suspicious. I would go so far as to say that they don't have any intention or need to 'innoculate' against 'SARS-cov-19' either because it doesn't exist or because it's just a seasonal bug who's lifecycle is done. In short, the 'covid-19' vaccine is an excuse to do something else.

Quote from: BADecker on May 03, 2020, 03:00:04 PM

The point is, people in the USA and around the world are trusting their doctors, who are trusting other doctors, who are trusting a few people in the WHO, who are being controlled by Communist China, who is lying to us all. It just happens that Sweden has an honest doctor at its head... a doctor who saw early on that the statistics coming out of the WHO don't add up.

The biggest funder of the WHO is reported to be Bill Gates, and he was a close second before the U.S. dropped it's funding. You have the right idea on 'trust chains', but I posit that you have things a little backward. At the top of the pyramid would be the financial system owners who settle at BIS. Below that, and owned/controlled by them:

- The U.N. (including the WHO.)
- China (where a LOT of capital was moved over the past three decades.)
- The U.S., and almost every other country (except perhaps Syria, Iran, and N. Korea...and maybe Israel.)
- The environmental movement.
- The 5-eyes intelligence agencies.
- The environmental movement (greenies)
- All multinational corporations.
- All major private universities (other educational systems under the bought and paid for governments.)
- Almost all religious institutions.
- Almost all media outlets (saved for a small fraction of the 'alt media' of today.)

Basically, in a debt-backed fiat monetary regime one group ends up with all the money and thus all the power. The above framing expliains why in my area the 'new normal' after 'covid-19' is being defined by the sociology department at the notoriously left-wing university and a large corporate conglomerate who seem to have perfect agreement with one another.

The 'new normal' looks exactly like 'United Nations Agenda 21', and it is this combine forces of academia, big business, and the fake environmental movement, and real estate developers which has characterized the project since it's inception decades ago. The 'inventory and control of all people, places, and things.'

Quote from: BADecker on May 03, 2020, 04:35:20 PM

PEOPLE. Be sure to read what tvbcof says above ^^^. In the sequencing studies franky1 talks about, there are sub-directories/sub-listings pointing to different viruses. Just because Covid-19 is listed, doesn't mean Covid-19 is the bad one.

but it is. because the people with BAD SYMPTOMS get swabbed and its found to be the sequence that has been discovered since december 2019.
not previous years sequences

previous years sequences also have linked cases of known symptoms.. and this years dont match previous years

it was precisely the fact that this years patients were not respondin to certain meds, and where their symptoms were more severe than different years is the whole point of them then realising its something new and sampling it.
this is all old news from december. and it appears badecker really cant grasp that its now MAY

heck. even chinas 'patient zero' went to a clinic on december10th and was given standard meds that help with previous varients. bu when he turned up in hospital december 18th feeling worse. where they obviously didnt work. they started to realise something was new about it.
they sampled his fluids done many tests. and when other people started turning up after that they realised it was not a small case. but a epidemic.
then when people in other countries had the same symptomology and when many tests done it showed the same seqence that has not been seen before december 2019. they knew it was a new pandemic of a new virus which they called the illness covid19

badecker. please just hurry up and catch up to reality. your not doing yourself any favours hanging around outdated myths from 3+ months ago

Quote from: franky1 on May 03, 2020, 05:20:21 PM

Quote from: BADecker on May 03, 2020, 04:35:20 PM

This post^^, alone, shows how off-base franly1 is. franky1 hasn't even figured out that it isn't a particular sequencing that counts, but rather, it is the proper sequence and how well the steps in the sequence are adhered to.

For example, if you want to replace a piston in a car engine, there is a sequence of steps that you have to go through to do it. What if you forget to torque the head-bolts to the proper specs? What if you try to put the piston-rod cap on backwards? What if you don't at least hone the cylinder, or remove the ridge with a ridge-reamer?

You have to follow the steps in the sequence. And you have to follow them exactly.

What is a sequence? A sequence is a list of steps that you have to follow, in the proper order, if you want to get the right results. There are many sequences of steps for all different kinds of things, like I talked about a car engine sequence above.

Two of the main sequences for finding out about viruses are Koch's Postulates (1884), and Rivers Postulates (1937). Rivers is mostly an upgrade of Koch. There might be all kinds of other, named sequences that are being used for virus detection and identification, but they are all essentially based on Koch and Rivers.

While it is true that previous years sequencing of viruses doesn't show anything about Covid, the thing that remains the constant for both SARS and Covid is the sequencing process. If you want successful results in a sequencing, you absolutely MUST follow all the steps of the sequence... whether is 2003 for SARS, or 2020 for Covid.

In the video Dr Andrew Kaufman exposing the 'Covid-19' magic trick - the sleight of hand that transformed society - https://www.bitchute.com/video/TXargSbVp7E/ which I have mentioned previously, the Rivers sequencing steps are clearly shown, and compared with the Koch steps. What else is clearly shown is that the 2003 Chinese testing for SARS did not follow all the steps of the sequencing process. What does this mean? It means that we still don't have a clue that SARS was the problem what the medical says it was. It might have entirely been something else.

franky1 knows this, and tries to point us in a different direction. F-1 tries to make it sound like the Covid sequencing was done properly. He does this by not even focusing on it, but rather, trying to distract from it.

But the question asking if the steps of the sequence were followed completely and correctly, is the second biggest question of all. The first is, which sequencing used? Was it Rivers or something else? If it didn't include at least all the points that Rivers provided, and the theme that Koch initially laid down, there had better be some good explanation as to why!

Rivers provided the sequencing steps necessary to determine the virus. These sequencing steps weren't followed for SARS in 2003. And all the NIH evidence that franky1 shows us doesn't explain much about the sequencing for Covid... was it Rivers 'postualtes'?... were all the steps adhered to? What this means is that all the NIH garbage is just hearsay like all the media news, albeit very complex hearsay. And franky1 is actively trying to cover this fact up.

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EDIT: To be fair, get one of those NIH tests, and break it down for us so that we can see the sequence of steps. Kinda do it like Dr. Kaufman does it in his video. And explain which named sequencing was used.

Quote from: BADecker on May 03, 2020, 10:00:38 PM

by the very fact that there are 2000 different submissions using different patients swabs in different hospitals in different countries all showing the same pattern show that the patients around the world had the same thing.

badecker is using an excuse of one bad garage to falsely assume all mechanics cant fix a car.
sorry badecker but when all mechanics around the world are fixing cars and they all come to the same result. its not the mechanic you need to blame

you do know how decentralised/independant verification works right. and peer review..
i mean you are on a bitcoin forum so you have to atleast grasp the concepts that its not just one entity doing tests right. but lots of peers doing indepentant tests and collating the data to come to a consensus.
you do grasp that concept, right?

just wakeup.
its fun debunking you. but its getting boring now because your still stuck with outdated scripts.

..
screw it lets debunk badeckers interpretation of kocks postulum
1. The microorganism must be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease, but should not be found in healthy organisms.
(healthy orgamisms=not yet infected.. which tests have proven)

2. The microorganism must be isolated from a diseased organism and grown in pure culture.
(yep they done that too and tests have proved it(PCR method))

3. The cultured microorganism should cause disease when introduced into a healthy organism.
(yep they done tests on rats and other animals and they got sick)

4. The microorganism must be reisolated from the inoculated, diseased experimental host and identified as being identical to the original specific causative agent.
(yep they compared the sequence in human patients to the infected rats)

badecker gets confused about the 'found in infected but not found in healthy people'. the part he gets confused and flipflops about is thinking healthy people = recovered,. no 'innoculated=recovered, healthy = not yet infected

Continual mixing up of facts with what is irrelevant about the facts, is part of the franky1 scheme to keep people thinking that there is a pandemic. Look at how the scheme works, below.

Quote from: franky1 on May 04, 2020, 03:07:45 AM

Quote from: BADecker on May 03, 2020, 10:00:38 PM

Since you didn't talk about the sequencing of any of the 2000, the whole thing doesn't matter. Nobody knows what they did with their submissions to come to their conclusions. If there really are 2000 different submissions, they all might have skipped all 6 points of Rivers' updating of Koch's Postulates.

Quote from: franky1 on May 04, 2020, 03:07:45 AM

badecker is using an excuse of one bad garage to falsely assume all mechanics cant fix a car.
sorry badecker but when all mechanics around the world are fixing cars and they all come to the same result. its not the mechanic you need to blame

you do know how decentralised/independant verification works right. and peer review..
i mean you are on a bitcoin forum so you have to atleast grasp the concepts that its not just one entity doing tests right. but lots of peers doing indepentant tests and collating the data to come to a consensus.
you do grasp that concept, right?

just wakeup.
its fun debunking you. but its getting boring now because your still stuck with outdated scripts.

You are unusually slow today, franky1. Haven't you never noticed how people all have their favorite mechanic? Favorite mechanics aren't based on what works. They are based on what people feel.

You would rather avoid finding a good mechanic. Why? Because you don't know about mechanics.

Quote from: franky1 on May 04, 2020, 03:07:45 AM

..
screw it lets debunk badeckers interpretation of kocks postulum
1. The microorganism must be found in abundance in all organisms suffering from the disease, but should not be found in healthy organisms.
(healthy orgamisms=not yet infected.. which tests have proven)

2. The microorganism must be isolated from a diseased organism and grown in pure culture.
(yep they done that too and tests have proved it(PCR method))

3. The cultured microorganism should cause disease when introduced into a healthy organism.
(yep they done tests on rats and other animals and they got sick)

4. The microorganism must be reisolated from the inoculated, diseased experimental host and identified as being identical to the original specific causative agent.
(yep they compared the sequence in human patients to the infected rats)

badecker gets confused about the 'found in infected but not found in healthy people'. the part he gets confused and flipflops about is thinking healthy people = recovered,. no 'innoculated=recovered, healthy = not yet infected

Lol. Now you think that BADecker has an interpretation of Kock's Postualtes. That's precious.

First, thank you for thinking that BADecker is important enough to have an interpretation of Koch's Postulates that needs debunking.

Second, thanks for showing us how deceptive you are, simply by trying to get folks to think that Koch's Postulates have something to do with today's sequencing. Anybody who knows anything, knows that Koch's Postulates are from around 1884 when very little was known about viruses, and that even Rivers' revision to Koch's is from 1937. You attempt to take the focus off the fact that the 2000 might not have used a standardized process, but rather any number of processes that might have contaminate all their tests.

Third, thank you for showing us how clever you are by attempting to make folks think that you are dumber than you really are.

Fourth, or maybe I am giving you too much credit in the third. After all, healthy people can be infected all day and still not show symptoms.

Fifth, like all trolls, you show that you have knowledge of things that other people think, but you don't really.

You use standard troll tactics, franky1. And this is really good. Why? Because it weakens your credibility. We are finding out (if we didn't know all along from your goofy use of grammar) that you must be an agent of the wicked, sent into this forum to mess up logic that shows that Covid is really nothing at all.

Tell us, one time. How much do they pay you to mess up the thinking of average people?

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Quote from: BADecker on May 04, 2020, 10:26:17 AM

Continual mixing up of facts with what is irrelevant about the facts, is part of the franky1 scheme to keep people thinking that there is a pandemic. Look at how the scheme works, below.

Quote from: franky1 on May 04, 2020, 03:07:45 AM

Quote from: BADecker on May 03, 2020, 10:00:38 PM

i talked about them i linked them. then just a few posts above you linked it too.. that whole subdirectory of /sars-cov-2-seqs/ was entirely about the ~2000 sequences that are covid.
meaning the topic has been talked about. meaning your now showing your hand trying to hide its relevance because it plays against or ignorant narrative.
it seems today you are flip flopping back to old narratives that the virus is not real again..
very sad. very boring, very obvious

Quote from: BADecker on May 04, 2020, 10:26:17 AM

First, thank you for thinking that BADecker is important enough to have an interpretation of Koch's Postulates that needs debunking.

well its now obvious even by your admission you dont even understand koch postulum. so that also shows you have no clue. yet you keep mentioning it.
kochs postulum itself proves the science is right. your interpretation is irrelevant because you dont have one. your just a drone/a sheep that just reads scripts and doesnt even think about what you write. you dont have any independant thought or ability to do independant research. that much is obvious

and you are not important. i know your getting very annoyed that i keep calling out your stupidity. but thats not because your important.
its because other people are important and THEY need to know the important info and they need to know how much of a idiot you are on thee whole covid topics. they need to see how fake your myths and scripts are

but it is always funny to see you backtrack. now that you know that the postulums dont work in your favour your try to pretend they are meaningless because they are 80-120 years old. .. but remember.. it was you that first mentioned them as relevant.

just admit it. it doesnt prove your point because actual science has fulfilled all 4 points of kochs postulum.
but knowing you, you will keep being ignorant, as always. flip flopping and changing scripts then returning to old scripts. never learning anything new or accepting reality

Quote from: franky1 on May 04, 2020, 10:43:18 AM

Quote from: BADecker on May 04, 2020, 10:26:17 AM

Continual mixing up of facts with what is irrelevant about the facts, is part of the franky1 scheme to keep people thinking that there is a pandemic. Look at how the scheme works, below.

Quote from: franky1 on May 04, 2020, 03:07:45 AM

Quote from: BADecker on May 03, 2020, 10:00:38 PM

Actually, it would be nice if you were clear about the things you talk about.

Let me point out an important point to you. Neither of us linked 2000 cases. Rather, we said some words that included the number "2000," and the word "cases."

Nobody links to cases except the doctors on the scene of those cases. The rest of us only link to words.

The thing we are looking for is the proof that those cases are real, and that they were done right. Without the form of sequencing listed that was used, nobody knows anything about the cases. This means that nobody even knows that Covid exists except in some lab in Wuhan.

Quote from: franky1 on May 04, 2020, 10:43:18 AM

Quote from: BADecker on May 04, 2020, 10:26:17 AM

First, thank you for thinking that BADecker is important enough to have an interpretation of Koch's Postulates that needs debunking.

I don't have a need to understand Koch's Postulates. Why? They aren't important... to me or anybody. They are extremely outdated. They were outdated in 1937 when Rivers updated them.

There you go, trolling again. You just know all kinds of things about the way I think because you said you do, right? You sound kinda silly.

Remember that I showed Dr. Kaufman who used Rivers updating. And then, all you did was agree with it, if in no other way, then by not disagreeing.

It's kinda funny to see you accept all kinds of words and numbers about Covid, but not even want to accept that you don't have any proof of Covid. Of course, for you that might not be funny at all. For you that seems to be part of your standard foolishness after all.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 04, 2020, 11:04:25 AM

Quote from: franky1 on May 04, 2020, 10:43:18 AM

that whole subdirectory of /sars-cov-2-seqs/ was entirely about the ~2000 sequences that are covid.

1. your trying to swap the words 2000 sequences to be 2000 cases. and then use YOUR word cases to say there are no cases because you say only doctors have cases
.. reality is that there are 2000 RNA sequences on that link. a link i showed and talked about. a link you showed and talked about

.. next you try to say the word sequence is about the method of testing. no the sequences are order of the rna. like the sequence of an alphabet is abcde.. the sequence of covids rna has a certain order

so again you have failed to even understand that.

2. as for if its done right. again its not a sequence obtainted and done by one lab. or one patient or one doctor or one country. but a whole lot of different patients, doctors, labs and countries. which if you understood how bitcoins decentralised verification works. by having multiple sources it becomes very easy to work out which versions are faulty and which ones have done a valid process.
you are really an idiot if your trying to say all 2000 are wrong. because the fact that multiple locations and tests confirm each other show that they all followed the right process

which just goes to show, your now revealing you dont even understand how bitcoin works. which must really suck for you, being on this forum for years but cant even grasp bitcoins basic peer vaildation method

Quote from: franky1 on May 04, 2020, 11:20:45 AM

Quote from: BADecker on May 04, 2020, 11:04:25 AM

Quote from: franky1 on May 04, 2020, 10:43:18 AM

that whole subdirectory of /sars-cov-2-seqs/ was entirely about the ~2000 sequences that are covid.

1. your trying to swap the words 2000 sequences to be 2000 cases. and then use YOUR word cases to say there are no cases
.. reality is that there are 2000 RNA sequences on that link
.. next you try to say the qord sequence is about the method of testing. no the sequences are order of the rna. like the sequence of an alphabet is abcde.. the sequence of covids rna has a certain order

so again you have failed to even understand that.

2. as for if its done right. again its not a sequence that was done by one lab. or one patient or one doctor or one country. but a whole lot of different patients, doctors, labs ad countries. which if you understood how bitcoins decentralised verification works. by having multiple sources it becomes very easy to work out which versions are faulty and which ones have done a valid process

which just goes to show, your now revealing you dont even understand how bitcoin works. which must really suck for you, being on this forum for years but cant even grap bitcoins basic peer vaildation method

Are you really one of those who does medical tests that people rely on? And you don't even know what sequencing is all about?

The sequence isn't a sequence of linked DNA/RNA. The sequence is the process you follow to get to any point of your investigation. It might include a DNA/RNA sequence, but that isn't what it is. You are simply twisting words and understanding in what you say. But you always do that. Why?

The sequencing that Koch and Rivers were talking about, is the process for finding things out. So, if any scientist or medical person wants to prove that he found Covid somewhere, he has to use a sequence of certain steps that he goes through to determine what he found.

To be a good sequence of steps, they must be very similar to what Rivers showed. They can be more detailed steps, but they need to be at least as detailed as Rivers.

So far, we don't seem to have any sequence listed that shows that there is a virus at all. What is the sequence, that is, what is the process that a doctor used to get to the point that he thought that Covid existed somewhere? That's what is important.

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Quote from: franky1 on May 04, 2020, 11:42:45 AM

Quote from: BADecker on May 04, 2020, 11:34:01 AM

The sequence isn't a sequence of linked DNA/RNA. The sequence is the process

your own words used against you
because reality is the rna sequence is the sequence
but what your failing to do is try to talk about the process

but i already debunked your scripts about the process. because science proven that the process has been done right

science has proven the process
they sampled covid. they then took samples and put them into other organism(rats/ferrets) and they got sick.
showing that it causes illness
then then tested the rats/ferrets and seen the pathogen sequence was the same in humans as in animals they tested.
i explained this already you ignorant idiot.

move onto to a different script you have been debunked.
the RNA sequence(results of the tests) has been proven and vaildated by other peers
the process sequence(testing, comparing, infecting other organism, comparing) has been proven

so move on to a new script because this current one your trying to push has been debunked.

My words are extremely important because they show that nobody has given us any process that they have used to even prove that there is a Covid-19 virus, much less to show that anyone has been infected by it.

This is the whole reason behind the Sweden non-lockdown. There was no process and proof shown. So, Sweden gave warning to their people, and then went on with life. They are STILL waiting for somebody to show their sequencing process.

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USA done repatriation flights of near 50k americans from china in january
USA didnt lock them in a hotel. but told them to go home and try to stay home.
they didnt
which is why america has large numbers

sweden didnt do any large repatriations. also sweden implemented social distancing in february where by they didnt even get 50 daily cases until 10th of march

yet america didnt do anything in february. and didnt lockdown anything till march 13th+

so while swedens social distancing from february got people into a spacial awareness routine to allow for an r0 of 1.2 by the time march came along

america for instance 500 on march 14th when people actually started to get into a routine. but as we all know it takes a few weeks to see results which is why america had the constant up rise till april

stupid thing is the week before and first week of US lockdown had an r0 of between 4 and 10
second week of us lockdown still had a 2 to 4 r0
these numbers of 4-10 shows alot of importing it in

where as sweden that started social distancing in february before even getting the 50th case had a stable 1.2 r0

but again i said it before
swedens 1.2 r0 is not plateauing. its just a slower rise. but will hit a critical number eventually when additional restrictions are needed

Large numbers in America come from one basic thing. Deaths from multitudes of things other than CV are being applied to the CV count.

The second reason for large numbers in America is that Americans aren't requiring proof that any of the deaths are from CV. So, it's easy to manipulate the numbers to anything that the number-makers want. For all we know, the CV number is 0 (zero). We The People don't have any real proof to the opposite. All we have is hearsay from our government, medical, and media leaders. It almost seems like Americans have forgotten what it means to have proof.

However, if anyone has proof that the number-makers are telling the truth, please show us the proof, so that we know when to take this pandemic seriously.

Go to the site to watch the video. I wonder if the Texas Ranger ever caught the guy. Simply guys sticking up for their gals.

Watch: Park Ranger Thrown Into Lake In Texas Over 'Social Distancing' [attempted] Enforcement (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/282173-2020-05-04-watch-park-ranger-thrown-into-lake-in-texas-over-social.htm)

Quote from: https://www.zerohedge.com/health/watch-texas-revelers-throw-park-ranger-lake-over-social-distancing-enforcement

But often individuals' desire for a rapid return to normal is butting up against continuing social distance requirements still in place in most states, even those already opening up their economies.

A viral video showed one such recent tense encounter in Texas, when a park ranger attempted to break-up a large group of young partiers at a large city park and nature area. It happened at the Commons Ford Metropolitan Park in Austin, Texas. A group on Lake Austin was reportedly unlawfully drinking and smoking on the grounds when a ranger approached and ordered them to "disperse" also due to people apparently not standing six feet apart.

That's when things got physical, resulting in the officer being pushed or thrown into the water, according to widely circulating footage:

Finally it is coming out into the open. The US media lied about Sweden.

The Public Health Disaster of Sweden's No Lockdown Policy... (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/288430-2020-08-12-the-public-health-disaster-of-swedens-no-lockdown-policy.htm)

Quote from: https://maalamalama.com/wordpress/the-public-health-disaster-of-swedens-no-lockdown-policy-/04/08/skwealthacademy

Despite this overwhelming scientific evidence of the Swedish approach as the most effective combined dual health and economic-based approach in the entire world, I was amazed at the volume of Western media lies and propaganda about Sweden’s approach being a horrific failure. Western media in the US and the UK were all too eager to oblige in spreading complete lies and fabricated garbage by painting Sweden’s massive success as a complete failure by printing headlines that blared, “Sweden has nearly 10 times the number of COVID-19-related deaths than its Nordic neighbors”, “Sweden’s coronavirus death rate is nearly 6 times that of neighboring Norway and Finland”, “A Very Swedish Sort of Failure”, and “Sweden’s Coronavirus Experiment Has Well and Truly Failed.” And just in case you’re not the type to watch the nightly news, the Western media flooded the internet with the same false narrative to ensure that everyone that heard about these stories and consequently searched for additional stories about Sweden’s no lockdown policy would receive plenty of confirmation about these false narratives. The mission of these fake, non-science and non-mathematical based stories was to ensure that the maximum amount of people around the world remain completely unthinking, obedient slaves to State mandated, martial-law style lockdowns and stay-at-home orders, in which the consequent social isolation from others would not only produce devastating financial and psychological effects but also have the added bonus, for the ruling class, of producing a mental state among the global population extremely receptive to hate and fear. Yesterday, I conducted a search on the Google Search engine for “the failure of Sweden’s coronavirus response”, and Google, as an apparatus of the parasitic ruling class, returned 52M results for this topic.

And though a search for “the success of Swedens’ coronavirus response” returned 63.9M results, and one may see the results and perhaps think that for the first time in history, the Google search engine did not have an agenda in its search results, a quick glance at the titles of the articles on the entire first page quickly dispel such faith. The first articles for this search were titled, “Has Sweden’s Controversial Covid19 Strategy Been Successful?”, “Dramatic Drop in Deaths Doesn’t Mean Plan Worked”, “Misinformation and De-Contextualization”, “Sweden’s Prime Minister Rejects Criticism”, and “A Warning from Sweden’s Coronavirus Response”. Although a few of these articles appear that they may focus on the positive aspects of Sweden’s response, they did not. Every single article focused on the slightly negative outcomes of their response, and completely ignored their much more heavily positive outcomes, whereby the results of this “positive” search were nearly indistinguishable from the results of the “negative” search about Sweden’s covid19 response.

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Of course, this doesn't mean that people CAN'T lockdown or wear masks in Sweden if they want to. It's just that Sweden doesn't have any reason for making it mandatory. Actually, they never really had an outbreak of Covid. At least not one that was proven to be a Covid virus, or really even deaths beyond the same number that hit any year. So the country is through playing games with the rest of the world.

Sweden Refuses To Impose New Lockdown Measures, Saying People Have Suffered Enough (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/293146-2020-10-25-sweden-refuses-to-impose-new-lockdown-measures-saying-people-have.htm)

Quote from: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/sweden-refuses-impose-new-lockdown-measures-saying-people-have-suffered-enough

Despite Sweden mirroring other countries on the continent with rising coronavirus infections, the government has held firm in refusing to lockdown its population, weighing the untold misery and health impacts of isolation against the threat of COVID-19.

"The elderly, they said, have suffered enough," writes Fraser Nelson.

"They have spent months being advised to avoid public transport, shopping malls and other parts of everyday life. And the result? Loneliness. Misery. This is more than unpleasant: it quickly translates into depression, mental health issues and mortality.

"We cannot only think about infection control," said Lena Hallengren, Sweden's health minister, "we also need to think about public health."

An important distinction: "focus on Covid to the exclusion of other conditions and you risk lives."

Hallengren's 21 page report also uncovered a "decline in mental health" that was "likely to worsen the longer the recommendations remain in place," leading officials to lift lockdown restrictions that previously applied to over-70s.

After deciding to take a "herd immunity" approach to COVID-19 at the start of the pandemic, Sweden was roundly condemned for not following the harsh lockdowns imposed by virtually every other major European country.

badecker been talking to himself about sweden since may. but lacks actually nderstanding sweden. let alone his own american state of arizona.

so badecker wanted arizona to be more like sweden
well heres one part of how sedwen reacted to covid

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One March 17 FHM directive to Stockholm hospitals stated any patients over 80 or with a body mass index above 40 should not be admitted to intensive care, because they were less likely to recover. Other reports describe sick care home residents being administered a palliative cocktail of morphine and midazolam, because the homes were not equipped to administer oxygen, something some doctors have described as ‘active euthanasia.’

so it becomes even more obvious when seeing badecker advertise pill mill drugs as daily supplements for people not even sick/symptomatic. along with euthenisation techniques for those that are sick that hit a particular category of age/weight. it becomes very clear which group of people he is being brainwashed by

im guessing knowing badecker is in arizona he probably also follows the callus racist groups that would add mexicans into the euthenisation category. sounds like something he would desire

below is an example of a person describing himself by projecting to someone else.
he is the only one 'advertising' heck his footer is filled with it

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