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I'm going out of town for the weekend, and I have two systems that get averages of ~630Mh/s...

One will be connected to deepbit, and the other slush.

Also open to suggestions on other pools, individual, settings, etc...

Will report back.

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What is this?

Over the long run, you will be paid the same amount (actually 1% more on slush's because of less fees) by both pools. Any differences this weekend will be just based on "luck".

Maybe you'll get a little bump in your yield this weekend if the pool operators notice this post   ;D

Why not bitcoinpool? Only one without fees.

Well you get more if the pool operator pays extra, like BTCMine (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4251.msg71324#msg71324) was doing recently.

Actually current stats show that it may be less on slush's because of invalid blocks.
(this can depend on luck too)

my issue with bitcoinpool is that they are simply too slow. 28 blocks can solve on deepbit in a day and I'll make 22 cents each block. bitcoinpool will give me a lot more but they solve way too slowly to actually rake in any coins. with the difficulty going up, I'd rather take a lot of mini solves compared to sitting around for a day and maybe getting a block on bitcoinpool.

actually, the average is getting closer to 6 hours per block, or 4 per day, and is growing

Everyone gets awarded for invalid blocks so they don't count.

Only in deepbit and bitpenny. Other pools don't give you reward for invalid blocks (the ones that don't pass confirmation).
That's one of the reasons why you have to wait for 120 blocks in those pools.

I started on Deepbit, Then moved to Slush's pool, Then back to Deebit because I found that I gained a higher volume of payout.

Im intrested in the results, Especially considering the taxes, However, I garuntee that i lost ß in Slush's pool due to me being a 12/7 miner rather than a 24/7 miner

doesn't slush not support LP either? so combination of LP and invalid blocks make the 1% difference in favor of slush's irrelevant.

Last time when i checked stats (~2 days ago) there were 1.3% of failed blocks of the last 1000 in slush's pool.
But this may be just an unlucky run.

What I meant was that in pools that accept invalid blocks, everyone's invalid blocks are accepted, so its just like rejecting everyone's invalid blocks; since everyone gets the bonus, its equivalent to no one getting the bonus.

You are talking about shares, not blocks. Shares don't need 120 confirmations to mature.

slush does support lp  ;D

No, he doesn't (unless it was implemented in the last 12 hours).

Ahh, you're right. Apologies to you my good sir.

He's a troll, whatever post I make he'll say the opposite to try to make me look bad. He goes as far to send me gross NSFW images in PM's

LOL@ Nsters personal troll

lmao

You guys have no idea... He's been spamming my inbox with images.... with usernames like motherhumper and fuckyounster...

He's got a lot of time to waste o.O

Pics or it didnt happen .


 :D

lmao

any news yet on the comparitive perfromance of the pools?

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IMO wtv the result, it will not be conclusive and should not be taken seriously. This is luck vs luck.... Like saying I'll flip a coin 10 times, I wonder who is the winner for this coin? (ie: balance not perfect so a small advantage to either heads or tails). You'll have to flip the coin like 10 000 times

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Join DeepBit today, we have cookies ! :)

Liar!, i want mah cookie otherwise!
or atleast have the auto payout go faster, i've got my threshold at 1BTC but it paysout at around 4BTC

Cookies are stored on your hard drive. Exact location depends on your browser settings.

Auto payments are triggered if you had no payouts in 24 hours.
If you need your money faster - press "Instant payout" button.

AHAHAHAAaaaaaaaaa!, jerk!, why wont you make it payout more often than Once every 24hrs (without using insta payout)

As you may know, when a pool makes payouts, the compressed 50 BTC is divided among all the users, thus expanding and producing work on surroundings (spreading bitcoin around the world). The consequence or this is adiabatic cooling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_process) which causes decrease of bitcoin server temperature up to the point of complete freezing, as it happened tonight with slush's pool.
So i'm doing my best to prevent this.

Oh my. I had no idea.... What about every 12hrs? same problem that you dont want to even have a chance at falling into?

Slush pool is doing fine, pls do not abandon the fair play path.

1) The message about cooling was an obvious joke,
2) One of slush's bitcoinds was not working all the night which caused 502 error on site, so no lies here (this didn't affected mining).

I'm using both your pool and Slush's at this moment, both are ok.
Anyway, opposite to Slush, you are always bashing your competition.
Not good for your own reputation, I think.  ;)

I am currently splitting my work 50/50 on both Tycho's and Slush's pool. I will let everyone know when my sample size is greater than >100000 submitted shares for both pools. I will be monitoring invalid blocks on both pools, taking that into account for stale shares, and considering downtime as a pool should be reliable at all times.

are you going to use pps in deepbit?

Proportional for deepbit. I'm pulling around 664 Mhash/s per pool.

Just got home, and noticed that one of the computers was running about 100MH/s slower than the other for some reason...

Looks like since Friday at about 8PM (both started at the same time), I received 18.19 BTC from slush's pool and 21.46 from deepbit... Given that I didn't have a way to check the MH/s average on slush's pool, and that when I got home, it was running a bit slower than the other machine, I have to say my results are inconclusive...

-EP

I would have to agree.

Which computer was running 100mh/s slower? deepbit or slush's?

Just because you cant check an average doesnt mean you cant tell how fast thier going, Wich miner was 100mhash slower when you got home?, We are all assuming it was the Slush miner that slowed down

As i understand, he doesn't knows for how long it was slower.

what are you talking about >.> As far as I have seen, he does not bash the competition at all. and he is right, Slush's WEBSITE was down. Mining was fine. WEBSITE WEBSITE WEBSITE NOT MINING.... WAS WAS WAS = PAST TENSE

He was not bashing the competition, just stating the facts, and Slush himself would not deny this, I bet it was even talked about it in his thread.

I'm also comparing both pools, running a 5970 against each it for the last 3 days.
Swaping cards once a day, to lower any divergence error.
At this moment, Slush's is giving me 20% more compared to Deepbit, on the total reward.

could you please perform a comparison between pps and slush?
i find it logical for a larger pool to give more if it has more possibilities to find blocks than a smaller pool.
but pps is totally independent from block finding :)

I have a 5970 per pool too and it's been the case so far, but I'm only through about 20k shares for each pool.

just switched to pps on deepbit
until this moment, Slush's is 23% up
let's see if numbers run closer from now on.

Sorry, my mistake, I was taking unconfirmed figures on Slush's.
I can say now that figures on both pools are very similar, maybe 2% difference.
I will extend the test to confirm that.

Your logic is not logical. in smaller pools, you get a bigger share of the block, but you find blocks less frequently, compared to larger pools. In the end, the size only affects the consistency of the payouts.

PPS is not something people with GPUs should use IMO. 10% fee will take a fair share of your BTC. The proportional of deepbit is nice though, as it is 3% fee, which is reasonable considering it is the 2nd largest pool and the one with most features.

Upon more analysis, slush's was actually about 40mh/s slower than the box I had on deepbit's (I think it had to do with the AMD platform vs Intel)

-EP

i had a comparison between pps and proportional in deepbit. pps gave me less!
but i think this is a matter of luck. if many blocks are found by the pool, pps is out of the question!
the good think about deepbit is the payout also for invalid blocks! i wonder if any losses can occur to this pool by this method!

That's pretty expected since PPS price equals to 10% fee and proportional's fee is 3%

You can check it at pool statistics history if you are talking about some other pool.

Thanks :)

Well I'm at around 30k shares per pool and here are just a few thoughts so far.

My average ping to Tycho's pool ranged between 100-110ms.
51 Stale Shares
32171 Shares Submitted
0.159% of my shares are stale shares

My average ping to Slush's pool ranged between 140-160ms.
199 Stale Shares
31756 Shares Submitted
0.626% of my shares are stale shares

Last 1000 blocks up to block 2872 on Slush's pool had 13 invalids or 1.3%.

Slush's Pool:

For every 50 BTC you make, 1.3% is lost to invalid shares and no one gets BTC
- (50.00 BTC * .013) = 0.65 BTC lost

From that 50 BTC, 2% is given to Slush
- (50.00 BTC * .02) =  1.00 BTC lost

From that 50 BTC, you will need to submit 0.626% more shares to account for the stale shares
- (50.00 BTC * .00626) =  0.313 BTC lost

Total ~ 48.04 BTC expected

Tycho's Pool

For every 50 BTC you make, 3% is lost to Tycho's pool fee
- 50.00 BTC * .03 = 1.50 BTC lost

From that 50 BTC, you will need to submit 0.159% more shares to account for the stale shares
- 50.00 BTC * 0.00159 = 0.0795 BTC lost

Total ~ 48.42 BTC expected



TL;DR Slush's pool is expected to pay out 48.04 BTC per 50 BTC generated, while Tycho's pool is expected to pay out 48.42 BTC. The largest determining factor in this discrepancy is that invalid blocks are paid out in Tycho's pool and accounts for a 1.3% loss in BTC in the last 1000 blocks from Slush's pool [Blocks 1872-2872].

Are you willing to give an estimate of the total value ß gained from each? (you can use fake numbers if the ratios stay the same)

You can compare average number of shares per block in both pools for a long enough timespan.
Comparing reward per short period can't be precise enough since we had some days with luck ~30% more or less than average, so this can give more than 50% error.

But, of course, you can give your numbers.

It's 12 invalids, the #116884 was temporarily marked as invalid because I had to check its generation by self. Now it is valid and reward is distributed between workers.


I improved server infrastructure to process block distribution faster. Looks like it helped, last 150 blocks (where I made changes) are without single invalid block. Of course I didn't solved it 100%, some invalid blocks are normal, but the ratio should be much better.

Finished a 5 days testing on both, no negligible differences.

Thankyou Gusti!

UPDATED from http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5245.msg79971#msg79971

Well I'm at around 110k shares per pool now and here are the results.

My average ping to Tycho's pool ranged between 100-110ms.
168 Stale Shares
112370 Shares Submitted
0.1495% of my shares are stale shares

My average ping to Slush's pool ranged between 140-160ms.
607 Stale Shares
111779 Shares Submitted
0.5430% of my shares are stale shares

Last 1000 blocks up to block 3140 on Slush's pool had 8 invalids or 0.8%.

Slush's Pool:

For every 50 BTC you make, 0.8% is lost to invalid shares and no one gets BTC
- (50.00 BTC * .008) = 0.4 BTC lost

From that 50 BTC, 2% is given to Slush
- (50.00 BTC * .02) =  1.00 BTC lost

From that 50 BTC, you will need to submit 0.543% more shares to account for the stale shares
- (50.00 BTC * .00543) =  0.2715 BTC lost

Total ~ 48.3285 BTC expected

Tycho's Pool

For every 50 BTC you make, 3% is lost to Tycho's pool fee
- 50.00 BTC * .03 = 1.50 BTC lost

From that 50 BTC, you will need to submit 0.1495% more shares to account for the stale shares
- 50.00 BTC * 0.001495 = 0.07475 BTC lost

Total ~ 48.42525 BTC expected

Looks like Slush's pool to break even with Tycho's pool, must have less than 0.6% invalid blocks to break even with each other.

Pool had no invalid blocks until my last infrastructure upgrade (>400 blocks back). So invalid blocks per last 1000 rounds are going slightly down, I'm sure it will be under 0.6% in few more rounds :).

It is easier to take advantage of Tycho's pool by pool jumping, which may make the shares less worth on average than they would be on Slush's pool. What is your actual payout?

You can see average shares per block for current and previous difficulty spans on my stats page.
During current difficulty it's 15.3% better than expected, so shares aren't "less worth".

  Looks like both deepbit.net and mining.bitcoin.cz  pools are well mantained. Strong side of mining.bitcoin.cz is real time stat`s and pool fraud  defence; and strong side of deepbit.net is instant payout`s.
They are both easly configurated to start mining. In some strange way i`m more liked  design of  mining.bitcoin.cz, but deepbit.net is good anough too.
In my opinion, deepbit.net will have some advantage if somehow drope aside that "Stats are delayed by one hour" thing, and  will provide more stats, like Slush do.
  But even then, they will stay as strong and nearly equal competitors.
 

What exactly "more stats" do you want to see ? May be i can implement it.

By the way, what's the real need of having realtime stats except for cheating ? The reward is the same and all data is kept anyway.
I know that it may be interesting to watch, but it's not the serious reason, i suppose :)

    I`m was  just  think about it, and came to conclusion that  1 hour delay on stats can work as cheat proof feature.

    And maybe not. Cose i`m new in that, but guess,-  if there are transfer log available on third paty services, that is not real hard prooved cheat defence.

    About stas. Will be nice to see exact number of solved block,  transfers included in it , who solved it. It maybe strange to hear - but that will be real nice.
Maybe not so important, but nice.  And yes, i`m think there are a lot of peaple who will enjoy just looking, at the job done.

There are other ways to find pool's blocks, but most people won't mess with it, so it helps at this moment.

You can click on a block's timestamp in stats and there will be it's number and all transactions included in it.
If this block was found by you, it's share count will be displayed in bold text. And on the bottom of advanced stats there is counter of blocks, found by you.

Just did not know that. So i`m must to admit that i`m wasn`t right.  Well, stats is represented good anough. As i`m say, i am new at this and hope, that you will accept my apologies.

Well, they are quite amusing when you're really bored, but I think having the hour delay cuts bandwidth costs by causing people to not refresh every time they finish a share.

hehe..indeed. I haver a habit of freshing my stats page on slush's pool. But I don't think it uses that much bandwidth as most of the bandwidth intensive stuff like images and such are cached. It does increase the load on the database and other such "backend" infrastructure.

I wish Slush's pool showed your miners current hash rate. I like to monitor my systems performance during the day while Im out. Tycho's pool does this its pretty sweet.

I wish tyco's pool had graphs that would tell you your average of btc/hour, and your daily average in charts, and the pools daily average.

 

I wish I had superpowers...

But on a serious note that those would be pretty cool features to have for both pools. Another cool potential feature would be if the site had some earnings estimate calculator that would show you what you might expect to earn give a certain rise in difficulty.

Worker hash rates are hidden in profile HTML source. You can use greasemonkey script (link in first post of pool thread) to show that. I'm hiding that by default, because tens of users PMed me "I have 400khash/s miner, why hashmeter shows zero?". I'll consider some 'advanced view' which shows it on profile page directly...

Can you also add worker hash rates to the json api? (either per worker or total)

put a big red bold disclaimer that it only works with 10000 kh/s or more?

Wooo! go tycho!

So Deepbit is better at payouts then?

If you want a pure PPS pool then BTCGuild has a lower fee than Deepbit.  5% versus 10%

Wouldn't Slush be better then?

It's 2% Fee Prop and no PPS?

Proportional is only good if you are a hopper. Everyone else loses.

I'll second that.

If you want a steady, reliable pay-out every day then go with a PPS pool with the lowest fee.

If you want to participate in runs of good luck then pick a mining pool that doesn't reward hopping.  Prop is only fair if you're a hopper.
This is the best resource for comparing pools:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools

My deepbit is timing out, first time i've seen this for two weeks

...and Mt. Red is 0% fee PPS.