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Title: Real or fake?
Post by: stevewozniak_staff on May 11, 2020, 01:42:24 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Yourhomeboy on May 11, 2020, 01:55:38 PM
 The giveaway is not legit looking at it. Steve Wozniak is an Apple co-founder and they are no good reviews on this giveaway. It could be some scammers with another strategy of making money. In this cryptocurrency market, nothing is free to be sincere. You must work to earn a single coin. So they are working to see you lose your coin while they earn from you. Giving you $2 after sending $1 is because they want you to send more, as simple as that and also they look at you to send a positive review about them so that others will fall prey to their format. Be careful with your money and focus on learning a skill that will earn you bitcoin rather than researching on Giveaways.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Jating on May 11, 2020, 02:07:10 PM
This is the classic fake giveaways we have seen in the past using famous names, Bill Gates, Vitalik Buterin, Elon Musk. I advise you to visit this board Scam Accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0). So the answer is yes, this are fake, no one in their right mind will give you something for free, specially in cyrptosphere. There are a lot of scammers out there, so you need to be very cautious, just because you received twice as much money you send them doesn't mean that they are not scammers.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Jawhead999 on May 11, 2020, 02:11:57 PM
Looks like a fake newbie want to promote this fake giveaway by asking about legit or not. Just registered in this forum with username impersonating of Steve Wozniak and asking about fake giveaway. It's very suspicious thing how can all of them is related


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Cnut237 on May 11, 2020, 02:38:48 PM
Looks like a fake newbie want to promote this fake giveaway by asking about legit or not. Just registered in this forum with username impersonating of Steve Wozniak and asking about fake giveaway. It's very suspicious thing how can all of them is related

Totally agree, very suspicious. But even without the username as a giveaway, it would still be suspicious. If you say "I made 100% profit from this, is it legit?", then you're not really asking the question, you are just encouraging other people to get involved by suggesting they can double their money.

I would stay well away from that site.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: DabsPoorVersion on May 11, 2020, 02:44:07 PM
Are you really asking if this is real or you are up to something?

Many have done this style before. But to answer your question, it is fake and no one is interested in this kind of scam. Every user here is already knowledgeable about the investment scheme, so, you better stop spreading scams.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: boyptc on May 11, 2020, 03:12:29 PM
This is a classic scam that started on twitter.

Don't believe someone will just send you doubled or tripled the amount you sent them. That's an obvious scam.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: rdbase on May 11, 2020, 03:19:33 PM
This is the classic fake giveaways we have seen in the past using famous names, Bill Gates, Vitalik Buterin, Elon Musk. I advise you to visit this board Scam Accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0). So the answer is yes, this are fake, no one in their right mind will give you something for free, specially in cyrptosphere. There are a lot of scammers out there, so you need to be very cautious, just because you received twice as much money you send them doesn't mean that they are not scammers.
This is the very reason why youtube is banning crypto-related on their platform in the past few months.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5242169

Even Brad Garlinghouse of ripple has sued them over someone using his name&likeness in the cryptospace to get away with proliferating these scam on there.
Clear cut why they have had anything to do with crypto in their cross hairs.
Thanks alot garlinghouse! ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swMmbDiC8X8
I do not agree with chico crypto and do not like their channel but they were the only one who directly saw xrp's law suit as the main reason why youtube/google had been doing this to the crypto youtubers since then.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: seoincorporation on May 11, 2020, 03:23:19 PM
This is Fake, the trick is in the 1 chance they give, that way, people make a small depo and then try to go big, or call their friends to do it. Bit amounts will be lost, that's a fact. So, the best thing to do is stay away from that kind of offer.

People should understand money doesn't grow in trees, if it looks like easy money, then it's 99% fake.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: sinta23 on May 11, 2020, 03:51:08 PM
Nice trick to scam people on bitcointalk dude.
Make a thread with newbie account then ask about "real or fake" its suspicious thing.
This is totally scam 99%,please be aware


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: rosepetals on May 11, 2020, 03:53:01 PM
I think it's a way to catch up attention to people who wants easy money sending 1$ and they will send it back 2$ , I think we must not fall to this scheme inorder that we will not become a victim of scammers.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: kayvie on May 12, 2020, 03:38:34 AM
A doubler, huh. It is obvious that it is fake. Scam like this should be avoided, don't waste your time.
I think it's a way to catch up attention to people who wants easy money sending 1$ and they will send it back 2$ , I think we must not fall to this scheme inorder that we will not become a victim of scammers.
It's true, only those who wanted easy money will fall on this scam, it is a good to be true promise that we should never try, there is no such thing as easy money.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: nomenclatur on May 12, 2020, 07:02:04 AM
fake You should not make a deposit because it was a fraud committed by people who want to earn money instantly by tricking by using a giveaway bitcoin ends there will be in order to make a deposit you better not make a deposit if you do not want to lose your bitcoin.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Rafiqul on May 12, 2020, 07:02:53 AM
Are you really asking if this is real or you are up to something?

Many have done this style before. But to answer your question, it is fake and no one is interested in this kind of scam. Every user here is already knowledgeable about the investment scheme, so, you better stop spreading scams.
You are right. It is better not to post this kind of thread here. Users or investors of this forum know about this issue. But those who are newbie here may be affected. So we should all avoid these issues. And one should not expect any achievement without hard work.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Akiko on May 12, 2020, 07:12:13 AM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?
Its scam there are many post something like this before and they will not double your money, there is no reasons to do that and by the way they will not also refund the balance you send since they are just using a fake giveaway .

I remember a scam like this using the name of Satoshi fake giveaway and use fake website almost the same as bitcointalk they are just changing one letter in domain.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: FatFork on May 12, 2020, 07:24:17 AM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?
<snip>

Of course this is fake, and you are a blatant liar! You never sent anything to that address. Nobody did. And, hopefully, no one will.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: KrisAlex18 on May 12, 2020, 07:42:11 AM
That is a classic scam, there is no a website that will make your money double, that is an obvious scam buddy, do not try that because I am once scam-related on that thing, it offers to double your money for only 24 hours, I have learned my lesson from that, there is no easy money in this crypto world, you will earn money for all the hard works and efforts you will give for something.

Always so research when trying some website because there are a lot of fake websites made by hackers, always read reviews before trying it.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Ailurophile on May 12, 2020, 07:43:08 AM
This is fake it is too good to be true and just like your question how would they know if it was the same person who already sent some money to them?
They are only making those rules to make it look real but we all know that this kind of deal isn't real and if they were real why would the participants need to send money if they are giving out money?


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Zeke_23 on May 12, 2020, 10:53:25 AM
Fake,
You can send any amount of Bitcoin (between 0.1 BTC - 20.0 BTC) and we will airdrop back the correct amount that you are eligible for
Seeing only this,
If the transaction does not process properly, please try by sending the same amount to the BTC address again, and it should go through. Your original transaction will be refunded as you can only participate once.
And this, everyone can easily tell their real intention. Do you really think that an airdrop is something that you have to send money first before you received the amount eligible for you?
Also, read the second quotation, "if the transaction does not process properly, please try sending the same amount to the BTC address again", after you get scammed once, they will try to get you again by telling you to send the same amount. lol.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: davis196 on May 12, 2020, 12:16:34 PM
If it sounds too good to be true,it probably is.Enjoy your $1 profit OP,you will get scammed if you send a big sum worth of BTC.
Yesterday,my Youtube video feed was full of weird videos,which state that  Elon Musk,Steve Wozniak or Bill Gates are turning towards the crypto industry,so they are running big giveaways.
Most of the streamed videos had several thousand people watching.I guess those are fake stream viewers.
You can buy Youtube stream watchers on specific websites.Now,when I search Youtube for those streams,I can't find anything.I guess that Youtube is doing a good job deleting those scams.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: AlgoSwan on May 12, 2020, 12:21:18 PM
Most casinos around the world using the same tactic to lure gamblers. First they give the money, and then they take it all.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: bitbunnny on May 12, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
It's fishy at the first glance, how can people even doubt it? I guess it's so tempting when someone promises you such a profit but that should ring your bell at once.
Despite of so many examples of scam, so many warning and awareness campaign people still do the same mistake. It's been said.hundred of times, if something sounds too good to be true, it.isn't, don't fall for it.
I wouldn't just like to know if so many are so naive or so dumb? I guess that will remain the puzzle.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Casdinyard on May 12, 2020, 01:38:25 PM
It is totally a fake giveaway, a scam in short. Who in the right mind that would make a giveaway only if someone sends them money? it's like gambling with 99% chance of getting scammed lol. If these people were true to their giveaway, they should have done it without challenging people. It's 2020 yet there are people asking if this kind of giveaway is legit or not, haven't we realized that there is no quick way of getting money these days? 

You can only participate once, so you better send us huge. Classic doubler crap.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: maydna on May 12, 2020, 01:48:46 PM
Just sent 1$ and received 2$, it's like a doubler for me ;D

I already saw some advertisement like that in the past. I did try that to see if that will work or not. Some of that is work, but the other is not work. But with the OP say, I don't think that is legit because that era is over, but you will see another advertisement like that on some websites. Just think with your mind, who want to send the double amount to other people with free? Do you want to do that?

Be careful if you see that on another website because this trick will always work, especially for new people who don't have much information about doubler or something like that.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Twinkledoe on May 12, 2020, 02:08:12 PM
Just sent 1$ and received 2$, it's like a doubler for me ;D

I already saw some advertisement like that in the past. I did try that to see if that will work or not. Some of that is work, but the other is not work. But with the OP say, I don't think that is legit because that era is over, but you will see another advertisement like that on some websites. Just think with your mind, who want to send the double amount to other people with free? Do you want to do that?

Be careful if you see that on another website because this trick will always work, especially for new people who don't have much information about doubler or something like that.

Definitely that's a scam in the making. Why would someone do that if it is legit? We have seen this scam strategy many times. But this one, small money is involved. So I guess, he's targeting a lot of users. So not bad, large number of users x $1 = large amount of $$s. So please don't fall on this cheap strategy even if you will lose $1.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Malam90 on May 12, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Hi, don't send any btc in that site for greed, you will lose your fund totally. I have lost my funds in this type of scam site before coming this forum. There is no easy way to earn free btc. They will pay you first small payment, and when you will send big amount, they won't pay you.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: peter0425 on May 12, 2020, 02:55:17 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?
No one will believe from a Account whos only post is luring clickers and putting others in danger of being a victim.

You have asked this but not come back to check the replies?this is a purely scam .

Hi, don't send any btc in that site for greed, you will lose your fund totally. I have lost my funds in this type of scam site before coming this forum. There is no easy way to earn free btc. They will pay you first small payment, and when you will send big amount, they won't pay you.
at least there is one here that speaks true and you are that person.

People are enough from this scammers .


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: demonica on May 12, 2020, 04:33:50 PM
Isn't it obvious that it's fake? Isn't it suspicious enough to make you realize that people won't give away free money? No wonder why people end up falling into this sort of fraud because they easily believe things without looking at the process of achieving it. It isn't a good opportunity, and it's just a bunch of sweet lies. You will clearly understand it if you are aware of the different methods of a fraudster.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: wingfield_crypto on May 12, 2020, 06:23:23 PM
The giveaway is not legit looking at it. Steve Wozniak is an Apple co-founder and they are no good reviews on this giveaway. It could be some scammers with another strategy of making money. In this cryptocurrency market, nothing is free to be sincere. You must work to earn a single coin. So they are working to see you lose your coin while they earn from you. Giving you $2 after sending $1 is because they want you to send more, as simple as that and also they look at you to send a positive review about them so that others will fall prey to their format. Be careful with your money and focus on learning a skill that will earn you bitcoin rather than researching on Giveaways.


Actually, I think he's the scammer himself. The Bitcointalk username matches the one in the link. I think it's just a way to promote this scam. In fact, in his message he writes that he sent $ 1 and received $ 2. So what was the point of his question? Crypto lovers are no longer fooled, because most of them are informed


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Bitcoinislife09 on May 12, 2020, 06:28:41 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?

The fact that you are going to sent the money to him is I think enough proof that this is fake or a scam.
I don't think this is real at all what is going to happened when you send a dollar to them is they just going to disappear in the end and scam your money simple trick. Don't entertain this don't fall for a 1$ profit it is not even worth checking for just a classic scammer thing.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: thesmallgod on May 12, 2020, 07:23:59 PM
dude you think you are intelligent but you are dummy. You want to promote scam here on BTT so you registered and even call yourself someone staff  ;D. This is pure scam and the op is one of those people that I explain they are making fake website to offer giveaway. The moderator should remove this thread to prevent newbie falling victim


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Slow death on May 12, 2020, 08:31:27 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$.

1$? the scammer said it is between 0.1 BTC - 20.0 BTC. how are you talking about $1?

Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

open your eye and look at the site and everything on the site and be honest with yourself, just to help you look at this:

https://telegra.ph/file/af61208647d28b1b3b773.png

giveaway meaning:

" a thing that is given free, often for promotional purposes. "

source: google (https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01GxlawnW4Hib9ZV4cbTbMHkxhfmw%3A1589314775889&source=hp&ei=1wS7XrWPMrGBjLsP2NmX0Ak&q=giveaway+meaning&oq=Giveaway+mean&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgUIABDLATIFCAAQywEyBQgAEMsBMgUIABDLATIFCAAQywEyBQgAEMsBMgUIABDLATIFCAAQywEyBQgAEMsBMgUIABDLAToCCAA6BwgAEAoQywFQt5kBWJ2wAWDivQFoAHAAeACAAa0GiAGbF5IBCTMtMS40LjAuMZgBAKABAqABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab)

why the hell does anyone need to send bitcoin to them?

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?

we are facing a newbie scammer from the crypto world or we are facing a scammer who makes meaningless jokes

https://i.imgur.com/nfSmvCF.jpg


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: adzino on May 12, 2020, 08:41:03 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?
Lol, this is fake and you are probably involved with this scam. You are posting here to promote this scam. Look at your username.
Secondly, you sent $1 and received $2? The link says you need to send at least 0.1 BTC (and LOL why would they put such restrictions?). Thirdly, if you actually did make a transaction, then why can't I see any transaction being made on that given address?
Gtfo with your scam.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: celot on May 12, 2020, 09:18:40 PM
You got fake information and never deposit your money because big reward by giving 2$ when you success deposit $1, many scammer try thousand way how to make you trust with their site and give example to make many people believe for investing.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: pixie85 on May 12, 2020, 09:27:50 PM
Most casinos around the world using the same tactic to lure gamblers. First they give the money, and then they take it all.

Does that mean that you believe all casinos are rigged?

I'd say it's our greed that makes us lose it all. You play low stakes and feel like you're winning but not making enough so you play high stakes and realize you don't have enough to stay in the game.

It's not the casinos that made the game they're just a part of it.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: ritu_bd on May 12, 2020, 09:55:05 PM
I have never heard of anyone getting their funds back by investing in such a thing, because most of the giveaways of this kind are a scam of scammers. So it is best to control your greed from these.otherwise will Lost money :( 


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: nakamura12 on May 12, 2020, 10:01:40 PM
Typical way of scamming people. To explain what is giveaways, giveaways is more like an airdrop where you have to complete some tasks before you get your prize. Some giveaways do that and some giveaways never let you complete any task and all you need to do is to claim the giveaway. Giveaways like that asking you to send btc then get more than the btc you send is an obvious scam same as other sites where the stated that you can earn btc by mining and once you have enough balance to withdraw but they ask you to send btc before you can withdraw. It's a bid fake.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Ridwan Fauzi on May 12, 2020, 10:06:18 PM
Just leave it or you'll be end up in lose all of your money.

You have to thinking that the legit project never ask you to spend money first when theu held a promotion or an airdrop.

They will have a budget to be spent and they will  be avoid some weird thing in order to their project is looked up as a legit project.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Oasisman on May 12, 2020, 10:11:26 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once[/color]. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?

I just highlighted some of his statement that obviously enticing newbies to atleast try it with a huge amount since this fake giveaway only cater one transaction only.
This newbie poster itself is a scammer, I hope nobody will ever try what he has posted, because this is clearly promoting a scam website by posting the link of the website here.
Just be smart to protect your investment out there people! Because these scammers are getting smarter too.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Kelvinid on May 12, 2020, 10:17:06 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?
We've been destroyed by scam ICO in the past year and that was enough to ruin the image of crypto. I really don't think about your intention here but I ask you not to fooled people here. Because it is obvious that it was a trick and people are aware of such kind of play, and I believe that you can't be successful in what you did. Think about a good way to make money not by scamming.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Sirait on May 12, 2020, 11:27:40 PM
seeing from your account that is still a newbie, it seems you are not here to ask questions but to promote the link that you provide

Old tricks like this have fed up, and I saw fake giveaway steve Wozniak on YouTube, I reported on YouTube that it was a fraud


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: FanatMonet on May 12, 2020, 11:48:14 PM
It would be better if you did not risk your money on such sites. All this is very much like a banal pyramid, which will close as soon as its creators have enough money from these manipulations.
No one will give out money just like that in the crypto world, only in some shitcoins.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Slow death on May 13, 2020, 08:10:50 AM
Lol, this is fake and you are probably involved with this scam. You are posting here to promote this scam. Look at your username.

probable? he is definitely involved in the scam, look that his username is written stevewozniak_staff

that's why I posted this:

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?

we are facing a newbie scammer from the crypto world or we are facing a scammer who makes meaningless jokes

https://i.imgur.com/nfSmvCF.jpg

then why can't I see any transaction being made on that given address?

fortunately people are no longer as naive as in the past, little by little people open their eyes and don't fall for these scam

Gtfo with your scam.

one thing that bothers me is the fact that he created this thread and did not answer anything, it seems that he is some old member of this forum and knows how this forum works


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: AakZaki on May 13, 2020, 10:31:30 AM
Old tricks used by scammers to deceive people who want more gifts.
No one will return your money twice as much, without doing anything.

The $1 profit that you get is just a stimulus that makes you send even more.

100% profit right now is just nonsense spread by con artists.
Only real work or real investment can never give 100% profit very easily.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: boyptc on May 13, 2020, 10:52:12 AM
seeing from your account that is still a newbie, it seems you are not here to ask questions but to promote the link that you provide

Old tricks like this have fed up, and I saw fake giveaway steve Wozniak on YouTube, I reported on YouTube that it was a fraud
Wait a minute. You are right.

We've been telling this guy that what he's asking is a scam. He's also having the name of Steve Wozniak attached to his username as a staff and I've also seen those scam giveaways lately.

Probably, Op isn't serious, he's just giving exposure to his scam.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Nazmul012 on May 13, 2020, 12:11:59 PM
Making money is not so easy in this world. There is no doubt that giveaway is totally scam. Possibly they will give you 2$ at once. This is because you can trust them and then sent them a large amount for scam  ;D


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: matan on May 13, 2020, 02:04:03 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?

It is obvious that this is another fraud. They expect you to drop them $1k, which they will of course keep for themselves.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Malam90 on May 14, 2020, 04:01:42 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?
No one will believe from a Account whos only post is luring clickers and putting others in danger of being a victim.

You have asked this but not come back to check the replies?this is a purely scam .

Hi, don't send any btc in that site for greed, you will lose your fund totally. I have lost my funds in this type of scam site before coming this forum. There is no easy way to earn free btc. They will pay you first small payment, and when you will send big amount, they won't pay you.
at least there is one here that speaks true and you are that person.

People are enough from this scammers .

Right my mate. I have practical experience in such sites before so it is my duty to warn another people so that they become aware and don't engage in any trap. We know many members are now very aware but some new members can fall into trap. I will say to invest in any exchange for trade like binance, kucoin etc but not in any hyip or such fake sites.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: ChiBitCTy on May 14, 2020, 04:24:19 PM
Never ever do things like this.  There is no such thing as free money anywhere in the finance world.  Sure you've got air drops but these are from shit coins that have very little to no chance of ever making their coin worth a damn and catch on.  As someone who's spent over a decade working in the finance industry, I've come across countless "bonus" and "free" investments...they are always a scam or have a stipulation attached to them.  Not worth the risk.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Pomogator on May 14, 2020, 09:34:33 PM
 I think that it works like a financial pyramid. The first participants make a profit, but when it becomes popular and accordingly profitable for scammers, then deception occurs. I do not confirm that these are scammers, but you should be careful with this.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Ridwan Fauzi on May 14, 2020, 10:38:24 PM
I think that it works like a financial pyramid. The first participants make a profit, but when it becomes popular and accordingly profitable for scammers, then deception occurs. I do not confirm that these are scammers, but you should be careful with this.
You should be aware that there are a lot of user already who scammed by this trick, send money first in order to gain money more than we spend.

Here are some accusation that I took in scam accusation board
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221373.0
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208034.0
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247169.0
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5186538.0
5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5243298.0

And many more you can check by yourself, just hoping you will say that is definitely scam.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Mahanton on May 14, 2020, 11:05:14 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?

Send 0.1 BTC to receive 0.2 BTC back.

🔵 Send 0.5 BTC to receive 1.0 BTC back.

🔵 Send 1.0 BTC to receive 2.0 BTC back.

🔵 Send 5.0 BTC to receive 10.0 BTC back.

🔵 Send 10.0 BTC to receive 20.0 BTC back.


When you do see these kind of templates then better to have this on auto-ignore.
This is just simply a HYIP or doubler offering 100% instantly. Come to think on how
in the world they do get that money to pay out to those who deposited in? this is just ponzi nothing else.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: rathaha10 on May 14, 2020, 11:22:05 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?

Well the fact that you have to send a certain amount has already counter the giveaway program. This is the usual way of doubling money similar to ponzi and platform or anyone promising such can never be trusted amd i adviceyou stay away from such give away program because we've seen lot of them that end up running away with the contributed funds


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Becky666 on May 14, 2020, 11:29:49 PM
Basically that's a clear case of scam giveaway, many have been trapped with this type of deceits from scammers when they will ask members of the giveaway to send some amount of money to activate their Blockchain address in order to receive the said giveaway. Even when many still understand their deceits, they Still pretty fall for their scams because of their greediness in life.

Recently, someone started a big giveaway on Facebook and many fell into their traps to send them their hard earned money because of their greediness, let us know that, there is no free giveaway in the world anymore, be contented with what you have in life.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: vicoma on May 14, 2020, 11:53:50 PM
There is nothing short from this than a scam. They make the money so miserable that anybody can afford,  imagine 500 people donating $2 each, that is just the idea. I had similar experience about a year ago.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Oceat on May 14, 2020, 11:55:12 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?

Send 0.1 BTC to receive 0.2 BTC back.

🔵 Send 0.5 BTC to receive 1.0 BTC back.

🔵 Send 1.0 BTC to receive 2.0 BTC back.

🔵 Send 5.0 BTC to receive 10.0 BTC back.

🔵 Send 10.0 BTC to receive 20.0 BTC back.


When you do see these kind of templates then better to have this on auto-ignore.
This is just simply a HYIP or doubler offering 100% instantly. Come to think on how
in the world they do get that money to pay out to those who deposited in? this is just ponzi nothing else.
I've seen this scheme before and before I knew it I already lost some of my money. Never fall for this kind of scheme because just like what @Mahanton said this is a pure HYIP once you try to drop some big amount the scammer would either make a reason that would make you wait like forever because it will never gonna happen what they are telling you. So stay away for this kind of schemes and stay safe.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: maxreish on May 15, 2020, 08:31:10 AM
Don't fall for this kind of trap.
$1 is not that huge. They are probably waiting for you to send such huge amount. Then left you hanging afterwards. While they are tempting you to deposit more, it can be a scam so do not hesitate to leave the site immediately.

It's kinda suspicious. Doubling your money instantly where in fact they have no products to sell or even they aren't using the money for trading so what is the basis for your money to be doubled?


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Pomogator on May 16, 2020, 02:13:49 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?

Send 0.1 BTC to receive 0.2 BTC back.

🔵 Send 0.5 BTC to receive 1.0 BTC back.

🔵 Send 1.0 BTC to receive 2.0 BTC back.

🔵 Send 5.0 BTC to receive 10.0 BTC back.

🔵 Send 10.0 BTC to receive 20.0 BTC back.


When you do see these kind of templates then better to have this on auto-ignore.
This is just simply a HYIP or doubler offering 100% instantly. Come to think on how
in the world they do get that money to pay out to those who deposited in? this is just ponzi nothing else.
It is very interesting to study this topic because in cryptocurrency I myself have never encountered this type of scam. I saw such schemes but in fiat. I would be interested to hear story from the deceived people so that I myself would not get to this. In order not to fall on such projects.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Kong Hey Pakboy on May 16, 2020, 03:54:30 PM
It might be part of their schemes for making you to send a much larger amount of profit, and then running away with your money, that is why you should avoid it and blocked their messages right away if you encounter this kind of scheme again. This kind of scam schemes is sometimes obvious that they forcing you to send money to them, so you could gain a much larger, but in the end you will received nothing and you are unable to contact them again.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: angrybirdy on May 16, 2020, 05:46:47 PM
It's a fake buddy.
It is an investment scheme that will just take your money from you. There is no such thing as sending a certain amount then you will receive double after that. There's a lot of the same scam tricks like that, you should remember that there is no easy money in crypto.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Rafiqul on May 16, 2020, 05:54:35 PM
I think it's a kind of trap. If you give 1$ it will give you 2$. Then you will be tempted to give more. Will cheat with you at one point. In fact, there is no way to double your capital at once. So you should avoid this site.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: cabron on May 16, 2020, 06:12:24 PM
I think it's a kind of trap. If you give 1$ it will give you 2$. Then you will be tempted to give more. Will cheat with you at one point. In fact, there is no way to double your capital at once. So you should avoid this site.

Its almost a decade old trick and usually it's going to reappear every time bullrun is coming. Back in 2016-2017, there were lots of these too which cointelegraph itself is being impersonated in facebook.

For some time it becomes common because the Dobler once become business of some faucets and this idea is also from a doubler.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: K4C on May 16, 2020, 09:41:56 PM
This is not a new style To scam. It has happened many times before. Your money will double or triple all these fake campaigns. So stay away from all these fake campaigns and warn the working people. Don't waste your money to invest this kind of camping.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: MCobian on May 16, 2020, 10:01:55 PM
The airdrop is 100% fake, be careful this is a trick scammers to attract the interest of its victims. There have been many similar methods,
avoid airdrop like this. Do not be easily fooled by this kind of trick, because scammers give $ 2 after we send $ 1 for we goaded into sending
with more numbers. Therefore if you find a giveaway that offers rewards to be good to be true you should be careful, do extensive research to
ensure scams or not.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: bitsteg on May 17, 2020, 02:07:31 AM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$.
I don't believe you


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: jhonjhon on May 17, 2020, 02:09:08 AM
This is already an old trick. Indeed, they are successful in the past years where people aren't aware of such a scheme but I was amazed how they still making that trick again. It was just stupidity if someone will fall into this.
For they are sorry because this old and genuine trick will surely they won't succeed.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: raidarksword on May 17, 2020, 02:16:12 AM
This totally fake, anything that looks promising like double the ROI even triple, is surely a scam. Only newbie will fall for this kind of money doubling trap scheme that gives people double fold of their investments and it also encourage people because of this kind of promises. Always keep in mind, crypto is not a financial advice, put venture at your own risk and always do your research before engaging into it. My best advice is to join legitimate crypto airdrops instead and most of them are totally free.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: CarnagexD on May 17, 2020, 03:59:40 AM
This kind of promotion and action is just a scam there are a lot of banners like that in the world of twitter and telegram usually most of the time in the telegram because there are a lot of people making some earnings and promotions their projects with the name of the bitcoin. As you can see on that statement
just sent 1$ and received 2$.
its already give you a hit what are this kind of platform it is already a scam or fake they don't want to waste their platform it is just like they are giving their whole supply of their money to the people who wants to make an investment on them. If you are in a business mind you will not do this kind of actions. But if you are a scammer there is a lot of catchy things you will add to your platform statement and promotional banner to encourage a lot of people to make an investment.

This is already an old trick. Indeed, they are successful in the past years where people aren't aware of such a scheme but I was amazed how they still making that trick again. It was just stupidity if someone will fall into this.
For they are sorry because this old and genuine trick will surely they won't succeed.

@OP if you are made a research about this platform you will avoid getting scam because its a technique or trick to encourage people to make an investment on them by giving good feedback on the first investment on them. Always make a background check to be good to your money.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: mikeauerbach on May 17, 2020, 06:37:09 AM
Looks like a fake giveaway or ponzi scheme. You promote it and involve new participants. I don't think that someone else will send money there.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: ballerin and giroud on May 17, 2020, 07:11:14 AM
Looks like a fake giveaway or ponzi scheme. You promote it and involve new participants. I don't think that someone else will send money there.
That is true, good or legit project never ask you money to get the reward. But they will offer to promote and share a good word to all people and most of them use social media as a place to promote. But seeing what OP's say that is definitely scam and I don't think he try to promote it to the user in this forum. He only ask if the project is legit or not and if he send a huge money will they (the platform) send back the reward as they promised.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: UmerIdrees on May 17, 2020, 09:36:32 AM
I think it's a kind of trap. If you give 1$ it will give you 2$. Then you will be tempted to give more. Will cheat with you at one point. In fact, there is no way to double your capital at once. So you should avoid this site.

These doubling schemes are always fraud. In my country many people give this doubling offers and people do invest in such schemes. They may get profit initially but they lose in the end. Such people will run away when someone deposit a big amount of money.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Shame_Game on May 17, 2020, 10:07:30 AM
Do not waste your time and money on such scams. Be careful.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: ethereumhunter on May 17, 2020, 10:57:48 AM
Looks like a fake giveaway or ponzi scheme. You promote it and involve new participants. I don't think that someone else will send money there.

I don't think so because, for new people in crypto, they will think that is a legit offer so they will try to send to prove if that offers is really legit or not. I think that already exists from a long time ago because I saw that in the past, but unfortunately, I believe that is not real because who wants to give free money to other people without doing something.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: whyrqa on May 17, 2020, 10:57:53 AM
some time ago what fraud schemes were common enough.  apparently for a certain time this scheme has lost its relevance, as many people were aware of this form of fraud.  only with good advertising of this project, in any case, there are people who will give money to the scammer.  In any case, the fraudster will win, and as for us personally, then if you own the information, then you are armed and safe.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: TheGreatPython on May 17, 2020, 04:26:12 PM
Lol ;D ;D, that caption really got me laughing so hard. Like who writes that kind of bullsh*t? How can they tell that you're trying to claim for the second time? If this is truly legit as they claimed then anyone can make use of different addresses to claim as much as they want and they wouldn't be caught. So, this is a pure scam. And the funniest part of this all is that even the op is one of them.

The group claims to be Steve Wozniak or whatever it is they call themselves, and the op's name is SteveWozniakStaff lol. Stop fooling around man, and this is an old type of scam. Respect yourself man. Hope nobody so far have not fallen to this scam because OP is providing extra advertisement by posting here (It is doing both awareness and promotions at the same time).


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: suvo05 on May 17, 2020, 07:36:03 PM
LOL. It's not 1$. They are asking so send between (0.1-20)BTC that is between $970 - $194000, and they are promising to double it up.  ;D ;D. Please don't try. you will ended up loosing money.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: kaneki007 on May 17, 2020, 10:44:27 PM
It is very strange where he creates an account just to ask me that after not logging back in. No one will believe in the article that you sent because it is already very suspicious where by just sending btc can get 2x by doing fake giveaway, now many people will not be trapped in it again.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Sadlife on May 17, 2020, 11:22:27 PM
If it's to be good to be true then it's probably not true. I've encountered tons of doublers like that when i first entered the Bitcoin space. I was noob back then and started to invest in HYIP, Doubler and Cloud mining so i can tell those types of things are scams meant to bait you. Because nothing in this world can double your money in a matter of seconds except for trading.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Becky666 on May 17, 2020, 11:34:31 PM
These guys aren't trustworthy as I have checked them out through the link, but, sometimes  ago I had to fell for this scam because I was new to the community and was actually in need of quick money. This taught me a great lesson which I can't forget in a hurry. This is a pure scam from them and any  funds transmitted to them is gone and gone forever without getting anything back in return. Never send any funds to any individual or groups that promise to double your sent funds back to you, this is fake and "an open letter to scam".


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: thisnewcoin on May 17, 2020, 11:39:28 PM
This is absolutely fake and scam. This scam giveaway I have been seeing for many days! I don't know what is your intention, because this is your first post in the forum, maybe you are trying to convince people in a different way to invest in this scam,  then I must say you are in the wrong place. Don't try to scam people's money in this rough time, these scammers should not stay in this world, they don't deserve it.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: BD Money365 on May 18, 2020, 08:39:11 AM
everyone can easily understand their real intention. Do you really believe that you have to send money first than you received the amount eligible for you?
Also, look at the second quotation, "if the transaction does not procedure properly, make somebody's day struggle carriage the constant sum to the BTC deal with again", after you pick up scammed once, they will give it a go to make you over by indicative you to fling the constant amount.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Assface16678 on May 18, 2020, 09:29:14 AM
This is absolutely fake and scam. This scam giveaway I have been seeing for many days! I don't know what is your intention, because this is your first post in the forum, maybe you are trying to convince people in a different way to invest in this scam,  then I must say you are in the wrong place. Don't try to scam people's money in this rough time, these scammers should not stay in this world, they don't deserve it.

This kind of action are absolutely scam because if you are just giving a number of one dollar and now you will get a two dollar profit I think they are just supporting the small amount of value on the first places so the users may encourage to make an investment on their platform looks like the OP did and they pay back your money immediately also they are a lot of fall on this scam and I think this thread may remove to the Scam Accusations because no-one will believe on this kind of action also I will not encourage most of the newbies to visit the platform this is just like Ponzi scheme. I highly recommended making a research before you entering this kind of scamming platforms.


If it's to be good to be true then it's probably not true. I've encountered tons of doublers like that when i first entered the Bitcoin space. I was noob back then and started to invest in HYIP, Doubler and Cloud mining so i can tell those types of things are scams meant to bait you. Because nothing in this world can double your money in a matter of seconds except for trading.

Most of the doubler coins are scam because how can you make a money if you are just trying to double the funds of others it is just a big loss on your side if you are a developer.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Renampun on May 18, 2020, 02:33:04 PM
OP, you are not given a red trust because there is no point...  :D
Scammer like you must update how you to cheat because this way is not useful anymore, this forum member is smart enough and not greedy to get rich quick. 2x giveaway returns after the deposit first are the old way.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: NavI_027 on May 18, 2020, 02:54:16 PM
OP, you are not given a red trust because there is no point...  :D
Indeed, I'm pretty sure he will no longer have the intention to use that account anymore after reading the bad comments here. Another scammer was debunked ::).

By just looking at the ROI you might already tell that it was a scam lol. Imagine, how come that you can double your money instantly by just sending. That's so ridiculous. Probably he is new on scamming.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: samson707 on June 05, 2020, 07:36:58 AM
This is an ordinary giveaway that attracts more and more people. I don't like these ideas, because I'm for simplicity and accessibility


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Cryptobd24 on June 05, 2020, 07:53:26 AM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?

This types of site maximum are fake because about 1 years ago I invest about 10$ and after 24 hours I received $20 but when I greedly  again invest $20 dollar’s the that site didn’t pay me. And after few weeks that site goes to scammed.
That's why I can't recommended any person to invest this types of site.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Wafilian on June 05, 2020, 11:42:46 AM
These types of investment sites are scam so it is best to stay away from them. There were many sites from 2017 to 2019 but none of them lasted long. In fact, they can't explain the reason why they pay back twice in 24 or 48 hours. Even so, owning one is still beyond the reach of the average person. I have seen so many people who have lost everything because of greed.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: kolbalish on June 06, 2020, 04:17:09 PM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?
May be you are trying to promote something which is not actually legit to us. It's a trick to use such words of thread to get the attention from audience and you are successfully done this but we, the people already understand this what it actually it. You are trying to be over smart but you are living in fool's world. People are very conscious now a days


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: zeingrind777 on December 12, 2020, 04:50:12 PM
fake You should not make a deposit because it was a fraud committed by people who want to earn money instantly by tricking by using a giveaway bitcoin ends there will be in order to make a deposit you better not make a deposit if you do not want to lose your bitcoin.
Even the one writing on that thread (OP) is fake too. He did things that could deceive other people. I mean, he has the giveaway and pretend to ask about "is it real or fake?" so that people are curious and want to make a deposit. But unfortunately, the way he does it is outdated, and many know that this is a trap. Hopefully, no one will be fooled by the fake giveaway he created.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: oprahwindfury on December 12, 2020, 04:58:43 PM
This is not the same every time.It can be a little trick to earn money.they said 1$ spent will bring 2$ and one can apply or participate for once.So some will spend less amount and they will get the double amount and from refer another will spend more and will get scam probably.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Rengga Jati on December 12, 2020, 06:08:43 PM
https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2
It has happened several months ago. read these articles and you will know that this is absolutely a scam. Here are some confirmation form the real about this scam giveaway on YouTube that uses his name & likeness
https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/23/21335554/steve-wozniak-youtube-lawsuit-bitcoin-scam-cryptocurrency-apple
https://www.coindesk.com/apple-co-founder-steve-wozniak-sues-youtube-over-bitcoin-giveaway-scams

And is it too strange, why if you are still doubtful of this giveaway, you choose to create an account with that name? stevewozniak_staff?
If I were you, I will not use this username registered here because members here will consider you as part of the scammers. Or you are really that?


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Jocuserious on December 12, 2020, 06:16:50 PM
I'm skeptical of you because your account is new and there are a lot of people who make some arguments for promotion. However, it is a scam giveaway which has no proper and permanent evidence so it is foolish to take it as legal. I don't believe in all such giveaways so stay away from all these scams because losing money is hard to get back.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Nhor1011 on December 13, 2020, 04:07:27 AM
Hello, just sent 1$ and received 2$. Is a trick something or just a scam to make me send more and then run with my money?

https://telegra.ph/Steve-Wozniak-Foundation-5000-Bitcoin-Giveaway-Airdrop-05-11-2

"You can only participate once. If you try to participate more than once, your BTC will be automatically refunded. " => How they know how many times I can participate?

Much better to stay away in such scam airdrop. They just give you a try so that you can trust and send more to them then they will take it away. Or maybe you're the one of them and trying to convince and deceive others to fall on your trap.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: bayu7adi on December 13, 2020, 05:42:28 AM
Looks like it was you who wanted to do some dangerous thing in this forum. The name you use on this forum is the same as the name used on the website, it is not something that is difficult to guess that you are related to the website.
Nobody will give 5000 BTC publicly and for free. That is the equivalent of 9.5 million USD. This concept of doubling money is very dangerous for new users who do not understand how to make money using Bitcoin. It is highly recommended to remain realistic and not easily trust and send money to the wallets of strangers.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: pakhitheboss on December 13, 2020, 06:00:10 AM
I guess you yourself wanted to scam in this forum therefore you have such an idea to everyone here that you had sent $1 and you recived $2. But, most of use here having bursting scams and therefore your trick did not work here.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: zeingrind777 on December 13, 2020, 06:42:24 AM
I guess you yourself wanted to scam in this forum therefore you have such an idea to everyone here that you had sent $1 and you recived $2. But, most of use here having bursting scams and therefore your trick did not work here.
Maybe for us, this trick will not work, which I am afraid this trick is trusted by people who have just joined this forum and do not know much about a crypto scam If someone gets stuck on a scam site and becomes a victim. Then that person will spread the FUD in various media and say that bitcoin is a scam.


Title: Re: Real or fake?
Post by: Pom_bensin on December 13, 2020, 07:54:12 AM
it is fake. It clearly lures you to send bigger and gives you the promise of big results, after which it will run away and scam. that's an old con strategy. don't believe it