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I found this very interesting website with some cool images.
All images from visualcapitalist.com
https://money.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-money-markets-one-visualization-2017/




World debit is my favorite lol

So much room for bitcoin to grow.

Edit: It would be boring to put derivatives graphic here, as it is too big

There's a lot of room for bitcoin to grow but there's a question of how far it actually will... The derivatives market at the bottom of that site is also huge, that could inflate bitcoin (although it's harder to do than with other assets but telling someone you'll take care of what they have - like Central governments did with gold - could have a massive impact).

For me, bitcoin is much better than the real money at the moment. Because of the volatility, it became an advantage of bitcoin to other real currencies. It also became an opportunity for everyone who wants to earn or to have savings in the future as well. This might be the reason why it became big to them although so far it was a virtual currency.

In investments you can actually fiat many has wide range option since you can use it everywhere but if you mention on trading well bitcoins is totally good since the volatility is much promising compare if you trade it on fiat currency. But this talks about bitcoins comparison, growing up and other is long discussion since actually we don't know how things will go if bitcoin can even hold his dominance in future.

but there are more people who lose money for bitcoin. Do you think buying low and sell high is easy? never!
There have been a lot of people losing money because of bitcoin and even their entire assets. This is the toughest market I've ever known, whales constantly manipulate prices and make every rule no longer valid. We need to learn more about financial trading if we don't want to lose money when investing in Bitcoin.

I believe very far. 6-digit, or more. 8)

Bitcoin didn't grow in value from mere pennies, to an all-time-high of $20,000, by accident. What it showed was a possibility. A possibility that a decentralized system, independent of the current financial system, could suck only a "small portion" of total fiat in circulation, but take it to a 5-digit price.

Agree, fiat money has become more volatile and this may give a new impetus to the growth of cryptocurrencies.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249398.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249398.0)
This is the topic that I started based on the same grounds ,it does have some useful data regarding the Bitcoins and economic correlation if you wanna check it out , I do think it is very good that the community members are actually concerned about the potential of Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies being used at its best. It is one thing , using cryptocurrencies, but it is another being a concerned member of the society.
We have not yet reached the full potential of Bitcoins.
Fiat is not stable , not for the time being , people are running out of the market . It is really inevitable , the next time any pandemic strikes the government so gonna crash hard ..
Cryptocurrencies are actually helping people with jobs and government sector is making them jobless . I do think we have reached a point where people can already see what is more beneficial for them .
World debt is going to kill the economy in the upcoming years and that would be the end of everything, people will starve until and unless they start exploring other options. We should share the knowledge of cryptocurrencies with people we meet or chat.
Remember that it's something that will grow on Sharing.

Nice post. Basically same information, but you missed those fancy infographics ;)

What I found most impressive here is the amount of debit....
Additionally, gold is enormous, I didn't expected it to be so big compared to bitcoin.

It is a well-known fact (at least for me) that Bitcoin (its value) is almost insignificant in relation to how you say "all the world's money". All mined Bitcoin at present worth about $180 billion, and only gold value is measured in trillions ($8 trillion more or less), while the whole fiat is worth about $90 trillion.

Like it or not, Bitcoin is almost at the bottom of it all - but it should be noted that it was created only 11 years ago, and that it is actually at its beginning. Only $1 trillion relocated to BTC would increase its price to $50 000, and if we take hundreds of trillions in all world markets, that would be an almost imperceptible figure.

Exactly.

If Bitcoin become something as large as Apple or google or amazon facebook (which is not that unlikely, as they are all internet companies) it would become like 5-10x more valuable. These infographics illustrate take nicely

^ Definitely there is a huge room for Bitcoin or any cryptocurrency to grow the economy for it has tons of advantages compared to fiat money or currencies that we are using nowadays. Aside from the fact that bitcoin and cryptocurrency are decentralized, it has the potential of replacing fiat money when it comes to online transactions regardless of what country you are from. With just these two factors it can succumb fiat or the existing currencies in the market.

I would like to believe that bitcoin will grow in the future, this is a currency and investment that anyone can use.
it's a global currency, so it should be bigger than a currency of the certain nation, if some experts believe that bitcoin will rise $100K to $1 million, then we should expect it will make the founder and the big holders one of the richest in the world if not the richest.

Making satoshi to be the richest in the world would already put bitcoin in the map and it will lead to big adoption.

I always love "worlds debt" thing whenever it is said :D. Like who do we owe to? Do we owe to mars? Is it sun because it gave us life? Should we pay the Sun that much money to keep firing? Who the hell does the earth owe to? There are not that many places that will take it, there are more debts in the world that there are places owed, so it makes no sense at all, there is no mathematically possible way to pay all the debt back, if some people do, there are not enough for others to do it.

In any case, crypto doesn't have to be big like these, companies are fine, richest people are fine, but we do not need to be bigger than US stock markets for example, reaching to that 50 richest people level would be more than enough for us to actually be big enough for us.

Well, I think that by world debt a whole debt of all countries among each other is meant.
However, that is not so relevant for this topic.
Yes, Bitcoin has big potential but still very small number of people in.the world is using it, as well as other cryptocurrencies. Also, Bitcoin has many limitations and currency that has limited number of units, that is so volatile and unstable isn't designed to support whole economy and financial system. But it can exist.along with fiat money and it can develope further, using its advantages to attract more users and adopters.
So far Bitcoin is still on the level of personal use but when it comes to businesses and financial system, this is another, not so successful story.

Regarding many large campaigns, cryptocurrencies can not yet boast of something serious. But I hope that soon they will be comparable with companies such as Apple, Microsoft and the like. Then it will be a great opportunity to demonstrate their capabilities to ordinary people.

I personally would not compare Bitcoin with Apple or Facebook, these are companies that sell devices or provide social networking services, which is completely different from what Bitcoin is. The simplicity factor should also be taken into account, because it is very easy to create an FB account and virtually hang out with friends, or go to the store and buy an Apple device. As a result, FB has about 2.6 billion users (data from Q1 2020), and Apple is sold 1.5 billion iPhones since 2007 when the device came on the market.

The simplicity factor is something that is definitely not in favor of Bitcoin, because in order for someone to use it he must have certain knowledge and skills. Consequently, the number of crypto users is still very small and according to the most optimistic estimates, it is around 1% of the world's population (slightly less than 80 million). Of course, these numbers come from the analysis of generated BTC addresses (which is completely meaningless), but also from the data of leading crypto exchanges. Coinbase is claim to have 30 million unique users, and blockchain wallet show it has almost 50 million created wallets so far.

They don't see it now but once bitcoin shows another all time high, eyes will be on it again. The global debt will never be paid. US' debt ticks like a time bomb.

--> https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Hahaha, I've heard of this like a meme.

The money that is generated through bitcoin is no where near the world's money put together at least for now until it grows. If you calculate the current btc price on the circulating supply minus the lost btc , you see it goes nowhere near world's money. The capitalization too to forex trade is still lower. Bitcoin as this comparison is like a business angle that makes up the world's business too.

Gold is really an all time favorite investment of people even before but with the new technology that has risen, cryptocurrency like bitcoin is something new that will have a huge impact in the future. Bitcoin has still a big room to grow and even if it cannot compete with the current big companies like amazon or apple, i think bitcoin is still a good choice with great potential as an investment.

Regarding the types of assets that are shown on this website, in my opinion only currencies and gold are the categories from where Bitcoin could "steal" some market share.

Stock markets are completely different. They're based on real-world economic activity. It may seem to some that stocks are nothing more than an "asset" with which you can "gamble" or at least save your money in. But imagine the situation if Bitcoin would take away some significant share from stock markets - this would mean that many companies could become under-financed, we would see a significant economic crisis. This won't happen. I know that some stocks are overpriced - their prices are based on expectations than on real cash flows (particularly in the tech sector) - but at the same time others are underpriced, mostly in traditional economic sectors.

I think even the derivatives market is one where Bitcoin can only "take away" a small number of investments from. Derivatives are also tightly tied to real-world activity, mainly based on stocks and commodities like oil or metals. Trading them means to try to profit from information advantages on these markets (e.g. if you can anticipate changes in a market better then others).

"Global debt" is always something intimidating if you look at this kind of figures which show the "total debt in the world", but you have to remember that every time you buy something with a credit card you increase this number. "Debt" means simply a time difference between the acquisition of a good and the payment. It's not something where Bitcoin could take a "share" from.

Anyway, if Bitcoin becomes stronger in the "savings" (competing with gold) and "currencies" sectors, six-digit prices are totally possible. So this is not a bearish post at all ;)

Stock market's moneys can flow to and from gold, and it just did now in corona pandemia. and the same could happen to bitcoin as well.

When the price of a stock falls the company do not get under-financed.

Stock price is just a speculation about the future of the company, mostly based in companies' capacity to pay dividends.
In a crise like corona virus, the expectation about the future of most of the companies in the world is worse than it was before. Almost every company in the world will have less profit in 2020 than in 2030, so they will pay less dividends, less people will be interested in their shares, so their price falls.... but this doesn't affect companies finances.

Selling stock to buy gold and bitcoin while companies are not performing well is a common practice, which happened now in corona crisis.

You're only looking at the brighter side, it is not good to be optimistic, but also consider its price when it goes down due to volatility. Bitcoin is not only constant at going upwards when it comes to its price, it is not only increasing, there's a time where bitcoin will have a downward movement in the market and we need to accept that.

But overall, bitcoin is really a good source of profit and savings when you trade or hold it. This requires good decision making and patience in order to manipulate bitcoin properly in the market and you need to accept the fact that using cryptocurrency is really more risky than fiat currency.


Bitcoin is better than fiat currency when it comes to its growth, many people are investing in cryptocurrency rather than in fiat currency because it is really more profitable. Sometimes, there are people who are doubting about bitcoin, it is normal because we also experience hard times in bitcoin especially when its volatility strikes downward. Cryptocurrency can sometimes grow on its own because of other factors that affect and influence its price in the market.

But I will still choose Bitcoin over Gold when it comes to short-term manipulation with a huge profit, its volatility will really make you have more profits using its sudden change in price. Although it is much risky than holding a Gold, the possibility of acquiring larger profits is there. For a long term investment, I will really choose Gold because I believe that gold can be hold for so long until you need to sell it.

As long as you hold it for longer like 5 to 10 years, it will really increase it price and you just need patience and self-discipline. Cryptocurrency is just young compared to a Gold that exists for a long period of time, they are both limited in the supply and we can't probably mine even a single btc soon. So all of us needs to seek more information about the power of Bitcoin in the world economy.

Don't just look in the positive side instead check both areas if the volatility really helps or not.Yeah there are many good
 effect if the market is Growing and we are profiting from this,but what about then the market is
 drowning like what we had few months ago?is this really advantage?well in some way for those who are looking for another
 buying this is indeed but not to those who are holding and expecting to profit in sooner time.

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But on the other mean i would agree that if we Knew how to use and take advantage in volatile market?then for sure you
will at least get what you wanted but not continuously because market has downs
and ups better expect everything than just the good one.

For me bitcoin is still better to choose than gold because as the day goes bye,you will earn a lot from investing in bitcoin because of volatility. Especially now that we are stay at home because of pandemic,cryptocurrency is the best choice to earn. And for me,bitcoin is very valuable now even though fiat money is still important because it is issued by the government. You can trade bitcoin to make money now while you can't earn fiat money directly because you lost a job because of covid19.

Comparing Gold to Bitcoin is not appropriate mate because they are totally different in referring for investing .

For me i would choose using Bitcoin as my spending money when time comes that it was adopted in my country.

and will use Gold just for my Saving as i want to be physical when comes to my back up money.

This is all true, but it occurs on relatively small scale. In the Corona crisis the gold price increased 20-30%, it didn't multiplicate, which would be necessary if a large part of the stock market investments went into it.

My point is that it's not like the image suggests: that the market cap of Bitcoin could become so big that a significant "share" of the money which is put today in the stock market could flow into it and stay there sustainably.

Exactly. But let's examine the crisis example in detail: if a relatively large part of the money of the stock market would flow into Bitcoin and gold, then the relation stock rentability/dividends eventually would become distorted. After a time, if the companies at the stock market continue to be sustainable and recover from the crisis, it would become attractive again for the money to return to the stock market to be able to profit from dividends.

All what would be possible from these movements was a short price spike for Bitcoin, and on a relatively small scale. I think it would be similar to the spikes the Gold price sees in crisis periods, not more than that. So the amount of gold and currencies together continues to be a better number to be compared to the "potential market cap of Bitcoin".

We have always talked about how bitcoin is smaller compared to worlds money but we do not have to aim that much to be that important. We do not even have to be as big as gold to actually matter, we could just be 10 trillion in marketcap for bitcoin and 10 trillion for rest of all altcoins and that could be our natural borders and be enough.

Unfortunately people mistake all these numbers and see what bitcoin could become as something this huge that could be combination of all of them, even dollar is not like that, even gold is not like that, every and each of them has their own part in the "worlds money" calculation and I think bitcoin could be just one part instead of being as big as all of them combined. When you become as big as 20 trillion all crytos combined, you are basically nasdaq and nyse combined and that is good enough for a global crypto market.

That you want to think so. There are no prerequisites for this. One or two generations must change in order to understand the importance of digital currency. But the most important thing is the emergence of the habit of using cryptocurrency in everyday life

I think bitcoin already have a big space in those graphs, bigger than most people expected.  Bitcoin is growing rapidly and corona crisis certainly brings more attention to it. Although the price didnt really spike more people are talking about it

Above is an attached image of google trends and from that we can clearly see that the interest related to bitcoin have gone down in the past 3 months, right after the start of lockdown in many countries and this might be the reason why the price of bitcoin still haven't gone up more than $10k and remained there even after price halving as there aren't much users coming in. So if there isn't any new people coming in then how can we say that bitcoin is gaining more attention, as when people hear anything the first thing they do is to search on google about it and in this case the interest has gone down over time.