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Casinos can't keep up with the current situation, they must make a profit even at this pandemic, do you think it's possible that some gambling casinos are already into underground casinos, where they only allow their old and trusted clients to play in a place that they provided, could be a mansion or a secluded building, but of course, they will guaranty all the necessary preactions to make their venue safe for their clients.


There's also a possibility that some governments will allow it because some casinos are being run by the government or they have a big cut in the revenues.
Do you think it's happening right now or do you know of one in your city?

Of course there are underground casinos, though not sure that's the term I'd use.

You can just search on Craigslist, Reddit, Meetup.com etc, there's still a huge number of posts for home games for card games.

Probably not as many as there were before the lockdown, but there are still a substantial number of new posts.

The governments obviously wouldn't allow home casinos, because you need a gambling license to offer these services to ensure you provide fair games. Plus, they wouldn't get any tax revenue from these places, and they could easily be used for laundering money.

The local unlicensed casino are much more active than usual as people are at home and nothing to do. People feel a fake sense of security when you get involved within the local community and they do involve in such gambling. The most popular being different forms of poker. Though police are often raiding them if someone tipped them off.

I couldn't see how this will go well even though the government is involved. Let's not forget that, the entire world was lockeddown and going by underground gambling won't be possible in my opinion. Imagine, how those who are not on special duties go about their way to Gamble?, this can't be. Based on the panic many countries have undergo during this pandemic, any government with their right senses won't allow their citizens go about all in the name of revenue generation for the government.

In my country, the government disbanded any form of Gamble and even getting gathered was a serious crime to the government because she love and care for her citizens, and not ready to sell her citizens for revenue generation for the country.

it's no longer a secret that some casinos are still operating in this "PANDEMIC" period..  4 days ago in my city, there was a raid conducted by the police on one of the residents' houses and that house turned out there was used as a casino and illegal drug sale, if I'm not mistaken 30+ people were arrested.  I think there are still many casinos out there that operate despite restrictions from the government that are very strict during this "PANDEMIC"..

It's possible that there are underground casinos, we all know that high rollers in gambling have a good connection to authorities, some gamblers are politicians too and they can always have their way with protection too coming from the authorities but the public didn't know that these things are existing, but we all know what influential gamblers can do, even at this time.

most casinos have permission from the government, instead they pay the highest taxes to the government, since the pandemic is enforced to prevent casualties to the general public, all the casinos that are good in my city are closed temporarily, that's a strict rule from the government, although there are those who defy to open and accept clients secretly.

Health is not guaranteed for clients who continue to play land casinos and violate pandemic rules, a simple example of poker. Every card that is distributed to casino participants touch each other, You know Covid-19 can be infected through direct contact such as cards, money, etc.

However great they apply security for their clients the c virus remains infected, if one of their clients is infected with covid-19, so conclusions.
Does not guarantee they are safe if they continue to do so and insist on doing a flat casino.

These cuts greatly affect some of the government because some countries are known for their gambling industries like Macao were in they heavily rely on the casino tax.

Casino owners are probably doing something illegal like underground casinos not because they are evading the tax but because they want to recover their loss from the virus outbreak. I'm pretty sure that if underground gambling is happening, there will be gamblers that are willing to play even if there is a threat on the session they will commit. Some gamblers do have itchy hands and wanting badly to play the gambling game they want due to boringness or the addiction they have.

Any reputed casinos will not have such kind of activity which will ruin their reputation if someone caught their name and posted it on social media, but it is very much possible from the insiders or even from casino owners in anonymous way so no one can blame the casino name and still can make profits.

People feel more secure and protected just because of the local component but only until something bad happens. Then they will realise there is actually no support and no one to complain to.
But sometimes people are so hungry for profit that they completely ignore legitimacy and safety even if that ends with huge inconvenience for them.

I only see makeshift gambler's pad in movies where the antagonist usually are boss of the casino. Underground casino probably possible, its is a profit making business, someone's gotta have the balls to set up and pay local officials. 



If you have tried online gambling, you might not appreciate playing to this kind of casinos that somehow isn't safe.  But I think its also fun to experience chased by the police when they raid an illegal casino. Kind of a hot pursuit.

For sure there are already underground casinos atm and those points you have said do really had a point. Casino owners do really need to resume out operation to make profits but on illegal aspect this time.

We dont know if theyve been covered by the government or not but since we do talk about illegal thing then its definitely talks about bypassing law.

These places cant be found easily but for sure they do exist yet there would be always those gamblers that do seek of to play in spite of the current pandemic situation and of course if youre filthy rich then you do easily have easy access.

No legitimate casino owner would risk operating some sort of black market gambling ring just because their casino is closed for a few months. Do you have any idea of what you're suggesting here? You think the owner of the MGM grand has poker games going on in the back room or something?

Casino is just for entertainment purposes and not an essential need of any of us it's not worth risking your life just to get a short entertainment with any of those casino out there. What is best that they can do is to transition their casino in online, since that's the only way for people to access the outside world these days. Here in my country, I was glad that the government realizes the help of digital media a couple of weeks back then they were using the house to house method to hand the cash assistance now they are in partnership with digital payment processors. See how this serves a great use? Casinos should hire web developers, programmers etc. to make their online platform and just put their casino brand on it, advertise then that's it!

They have been always a thing around where I live. Unlicensed, illegal. They don't last long though. Sooner or later somebody gets hurt after losing too much money, the police intervenes, some people get arrested and then they disappear.

I don't believe covid19 affected them in a positive way. These guys don't give a shit about anything.

No doubt that in these strange times many casinos are working underground. Damn, I know some barbershops and gyms who been working underground when they were forced to close. So, casinos isn't exception.
I don't know does these taking all precautions, probably not. But I think, first of all people shouldn't expect that someone will work hard to protect them. People first should try to protect themselves. And if they are going to such casinos now should accept all risks and later don't blame anyone if they got inffected. After all, casinos is probably safer place than shops were we are going to buy food every day :).

They exist, and believe me when I say that sometimes, the money that they raise on those platforms are also large and even on-par with small to medium-sized casinos. Countries in Asia--particularly SEA--have these underground gambling platforms in play. Oftentimes the local law enforcement groups are protecting these underground casinos in exchange for protection money. Heck, even a few blocks from where I live, government officials meet up and play mahjong and other card games everyday!

It is happening but we have to think about whether this is bad.

The market has its own rules and when there's demand somebody will make sure there's a supply.

People have the right to choose their own fate. If they want to gamble because they're not afraid of the virus we should let them.

You mean casinos that are running illegally? I guess there are such casinos, but I doubt you will know anything about them, right? I mean, there are reasons why they are hiding and running illegally. Probably they use illegally  obtained money to gamble. Who knows whats happening in there.
I doubt legit casinos would go underground. The risk is too high and they might even lose their license.

We already have this kind of scenario, not just happening because of this pandemic but they're already there on the first place.
There are legitimate casinos who also runs this type of business so they can gather too much money to feed themselves.

I think YES would be the answer, Philippines is one of the countries that has an large number of crimes so definitely it's possible.

I also want to share about underground gambling activities, since for sure government can't minimise it or prevent it.
Casino for sure is normal.
Here in our country there is also underground cockfighting during this pandemic crisis, since the government decided to cancel all cockfighting activities so some people organised underground, and in different area, police always raid them.

There might be not because of those big-time prefer no to play in the time like this because they value their life more than money. Unless what you mean by underground is not necessary for the players to get physically present in one place but instead, they are having some gathering in like zoom then this is possible but as you can see this is not like the actual games and maybe people can cheat through this method.  

I can say there are gambling casinos that are operating behind the curtains, that is, they are only allowing their loyal patrons, who most of them are high rollers. Of course, they will only disclose it to selected few and they are doing this backdoor. They know the risks involved but they will push thru either because their patrons are clamouring for it or they also want the commission they will get from it.

You got a point but hey you wouldnt know if they have one.Im just talking about probability- I might be wrong or right but those are just presumptions just like on things that can be read up on OP. We know that big businesses like this shouldnt really stop for long periods and you wouldnt know if
things like this or decisions would come up into their minds.. What you think?

It's bound to happen if many people who are not betting are going to watch the cockfighting only bettors should allow to watch it and besides these cockfigting are held in one's backyard where many people can see it, we have so many illegal cockfighting here in our place and the authorities can easily track where it is going to be held.

In fact this is so, some large countries have underground casinos. Besides facilitating old members, underground casinos too provide
substantial tax revenues for the government. Therefore some countries cover these underground casinos, only certain people who can
play in underground casinos.

Man underground casinos are very popular LOL, Here in my place alone you can spot an underground casino within a 5 mins walk away from my home. With COVID or not they are still operating, and mostly of the players are here from our area too. No one dares to snitch them since, it will really backfire to them and it will be a huge problem. Underground casinos are more popular here because of the lock-down and lot of gamblers on our area can't go to decent casino and those legal ones.

I don't know any underground casinos in my city but they do exist around the world. I think that in times of Coranavirus I agree that they would be working but in a more discreet way taking the appropriate measures to avoid virus infection, somewhere reserved and away.

I think it is possible except only for those already huge and well known casinos in your place. Of course big things are at stake, once they are proven guilty of running an underground casino amidst the pandemic for sure they will face the punishment of the law. They will pay money instead of earning more, plus, their reputation will get ruined. It is not worth risking for ;D.
I don't think so. It's true that there are parasites hiding inside of every government but I still do believe that the majority of them are good and will not tolerate any kind of evil. So far I haven't seen a corrupted government up to that extent :D.

I have never seen such underground casinos playing casino games and I have no idea about it I think there are a lot of high risks involved and many will not participate in this game. You are right that underground casinos are usually not run by anyone even if the government supports them. Although it is popular all over the world underground casinos are very difficult to earn and in many cases do not allow them to play.

You can call these  Underground Casinos as illegal casinos and they should not be allowed to run or be operational. If the government has banned and temporary closed all the physical casino keeping in view the pandemic situation, then these illegally opened casino will only contribute in spread of covid-19. We must report them if we see such casinos in our surroundings.

If you haven't Visited this @YOSHIE's thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249137.0 Better check it out first because
that is the best example of what you are asking for,and kind of this called
 "Guerilla style casino" when they are operating behind knowledge of authority ( or maybe with knowledge of Corrupt Government officials)
 things that i know happening also in some part of the world.

and this is very risky not only for the gamblers that playing there but more on their family and people they will
 get along after playing in that casino.


This is behind the Law but of course government officials can break laws anytime they wanted too because they are also the one
 that implemented these rules and of course they have Cut in each profit gambling owners get.

Underground Local gambling i am sure happening now.

There are some apprehended character here in our place where there are some Poker players being caught doing gambling when the community is under Lockdown or others is under quarantine.

Some playing Cockfighting with large group of people violating the Social distancing and no face mask wearing.

its okay to play gambling secretly but to gamble without wearing mask is no good because they are potentially spreading the virus while the rest of us here are doing thier best to stop the spread but you said they are being caught out ?

thats better because they will now learn thier lesson that way and hopefully all of them will got busted so that people on that place can now live safely again.

Honestly? I don't think so.
 If ever they will put up some underground casinos it will be illegal and will not permitted in a particular area. There are so many disavantage of putting up business like that of casinos underground.
 
 And why do bother coming on physical casinos while we can still gamble even at home like online gambling websites even in this quarantine period.

It is, but we don't have any proof that it is happening in our cities.
We cannot acquire those kind of facts.

These guys might be composed of rich and known people only in the gambling industry.
They won't let those information just leak out to the mass.
If the government will have a cut for it which could be millions of money then it will be done.  ;D

I already wrote in the neighboring topic that casinos are still operating in my country. This is not because the state does not want to lose revenue from tax revenues. This is due to the fact that in my country there is no quarantine and people can choose to stay at home or go to play at the casino.

I think this is the best solution. We shouldn't be in forced detention for months. Everyone can decide whether to risk their own life and the lives of their family members.

Yes, this is really possible, I have seen a thread here regarding with this question, he had seen a casino gambling that is still open with this pandemic virus, the gamblers there are still wearing mask and gloves, what more for those underground casino that is really hard to see by other people.

Gamblers are really gamblers, they are really addicted to it, they don't even think the risk of what they are doing, there is a high possibility that they may acquire the virus because of what they are doing. If they really want to gamble they may do online gambling so they can still play even though they are at their home.
They are using those during connection to some authorities to be able to continue to open the casino gambling, if I am that authority I wouldn't tolerate those actions. I would sacrifice the lives of many people by spreading the virus over our connection.

why not just comply to the government and stay at home?there are so many things we can do to sustain our gambling habit why need to break laws?

you are not only risking your life but also those people you love.

Stop it right now and wait till the problem ends.

Gambling is just there but our life is not.

Underground casino has been around ever since this pandemic, they are the scums that profit by letting minors play and evade taxes.

With the right people you can acquire these "facts", trust me when I say that there so many underground casinos that the authorities can't crack all of them down because some of them are pocketing officials that render them immune to these things. This casinos are really good at eluding authorities and when you do not get the head of the operation then the body will just grow back.

The government can't do much with these bootleg casinos, they have too many issues at hand that these illegals are freely roaming and getting rich without ever giving back to the society, this types of scums is what I hate the most because they are being consumed by greed and most of the time they are not punished for it.

If some gamblers can still gambling even though there is a temporary ban or closure of casinos, it only means that there are still some people who are conducting underground gambling. Maybe it's not a big casino where various games are available, but maybe just a small place where they still gamble. In my country, it's already obvious that some people are still gambling during the lockdown because there is already some news that they were caught by the authorities. Meaning, they are willing to risk their safety just to gamble. There's also a big possibility that some ongoing gambling activities are being backed up by some officials because they are also gambling. People would do everything for money and their wants.

I have not encountered anything like that in my city but in other cities, there are. If other people would hide and still drink alcohol even if it's not allowed in the meantime, it's also the same with gambling.

Its possible, lockdown cant stop the physical casinos for operating especially if these casinos are protected by one of a government official. Money is all for them so even going against the law, they will operate secretly to continue the flow of their business.

We dont know where but for sure it is existing especially in our country wherein there are many corrupt officials.

This is strange and never thought something like that could also be done. Though can understand that money is involved, and government does get taxes and other sources of income from the gambling, but this is going to be risky itself for the operators and for the public as well because as such no one knows who has the cases or not. They are not going to test it other than temperature and it requires a lot of courage at this point to go and gamble where there would be other people as well.

It is possible I think, I have always heard about it, just didn't see it with my own eyes. What I'm familiar with is the gambling night organized by the players themselves. There are groups formed specially to those who always play with each other in the casinos, they've exchanges contact numbers and still play in someones place. Its a common thing specially if the money involved is really a big one. Its always happening in my community as well, gamblers always have the place to play even during this pandemic. I will just hear the results the morning after from someone I know.

We don't know, maybe there are already in operations without any announcements but only those prominent visitors and gamblers where informed that they're back in action. This can happen for many countries that are affected by pandemic.

But it can also be a no if most of the casinos in that specific country are law-abiding and follows the regulations that's being applied in this time. Although, I'm sure that many of them are asking for a special permit to get back and operate again.

I think some of the casinos closed may have opted for this option.May be they have contacted all the clients who they consider trusted ones and have also setup another place which can be a normal villa from the outside but setup as a casino in the inside and people gather there to play of course respecting the rules in nowadays problems.Governments even if they see such activity they will keep silent and ask for some extra revenue from the casino owners.

I only see that on the movies but I don't know if this exist on real life since I never heard anyone got caught and jailed in news or everywhere, maybe the other  who run a casino business doing it legitimately.

But maybe there are running business like this since gambling is profitable business so provably there are businessman operating this business illegally 

Yes, I think you have the situation you are talking about all over the world, especially in my own country, and that businesses only serve their permanent subscribers they trust. Although I have not witnessed this in my own country, I think that such a thing could happen because the majority of my country's income source is casinos and that the state can tolerate it. Also, I would like to ask you another question I was curious about.

'' Has not all casino businesses that have been working with such a high profit margin accumulate for difficult days? Why don't they use their budgets devoted to other projects and other projects in these difficult days? ''

If they will allow it, it there is no need for underground casino and all casinos will resume operating legally because the government cannot choose a casino that they have interest when it's the same game and same industry, people will complain knowing the reason why it's stop is because of the covid-19 prevention and not the legality issue or anything related to it.

The government may allow it but not publicly, or there will be a lot of criticism for allowing casinos to operate under the lock down, we all know that casinos are where the prominent people are playing, and they can break the rules as long as it is not within the eyes of the public.

These casinos will only allow their trusted and long time clients this is to keep the profit from coming in, they are just here to bring what their clients want.

Here in my country, all of the activities that requires mass gathering are not allowed because the government here are preventing the spreading of virus through social contact because there is no exception when it comes to the spreading of virus even if you are poor or rich once that you have directly contact to an infected person you can be infected also regardless how clean you are when it comes to your hygiene.

Of course nothing is impossible in this world specially in gambling world when many people behind this are using power and connection to run their business to be untouchable
i have read in other thread about this kind in which there are casino in their country the actively operating even there is a lockdown and you can  read it here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249137.0

i think this is one example how bad this gambling operator is.

Of course for the sake of Big money?everything can be done and laws can be bent just to favor the rich and famous.

There are bunch of underground casinos in different countries, these were as active before the lockdown as they have become more active during the lockdown. However, I could not accept the government's involvement, they are carrying on their activities secretly without the knowledge of the government. Albeit I think it is the right time to re-open casino in limited scale, cause the government can earn a large amount of revenue from casinos. Due to lockdown for long time, almost all the revenue of the government is now stopped. so, I think government and casino owner can take necessary step for reopening casino at limited scale. It is only for some selected clients who are professional and rich.

Underground casinos do exist. But to make it simple, these are simply the illegal gambling place. Not actually the usual underground casinos we have known in the movies that held in a building etc. at most of the cases.

I think I have posted here before that there's illegal gambling that still takes place in our nearby city amid the Covid-19 pandemic spread. But since authorities became more strict during the initial and enhanced version of our lockdown here, the gambling place was shut down and all person involved behind the operation got arrested.


Disagree. There are legal casinos so why should those illegal casinos be allowed?

They are illegal in the first place meaning they are not complying in the law and hiding behind to pay for taxes. Just because there's a pandemic virus, it's not a reason for this illegal casino owners to just operate freely. It's a big slap to those casinos that are complying and following the law.

Actually I don't like that the authorities are much more worried that people will get infected or die from the virus. It would be better if they were worried that dependent gamblers lose a lot of their money in casinos, that thair families are destroyed because of this and there is a lot of troubles.

Gamblers playing at underground casinos don't really play on the spot. They have representatives as always.

Now with the pandemic virus scare, there is even no reason at all to be present at their venue. The gambling still continues but I think only a few representatives are participating or there is no regular activity compare before. And for a country that is under lockdown, it's easy for authorities to spot some violators if they are walking or using a vehicle. Gamblers will have a hard time going into location.

But underground casino also involves online activity. Maybe this was their alternative for now to prevent mass gatherings.

The biggest problem at hand is COVID-19. The reason why casinos are ordered to temporarily shut down is that it could become a way for the virus to spread more quickly. And when the spread of the virus reaches a point of beyond control, people will die, the economy will die, and probably the government, too.

This is just a matter of prioritization. And while all these measures against the spread of the virus are being implemented, other measures to curb illegal gambling and gambling abuses are also in place. They are not abandoned for the sake of fighting the virus. These measures are not competing against each other.

Do you think they will announced this operation when it is underground and surely not allowed by the government?common man are you serious about what you are saying here?

this is illegal so for sure they will secretly invite regular gamblers to play with them.
Lol Gambling operators cares about law because we are talking Big money here.and they can just pay those corrupt officials to let them operate secretly .

Some people really urges to gambling outside and play physical gambling because maybe they don't find happiness in playing online gambling. Most of us are staying inside our house for our own safety from the Covid-19 but there are still people who are stubborn to violate the rules. Just like this underground casinos, it is really hard to fight those people who are connected and supported by the authorities.

Most probably all of the person that are included here are those politicians just like what you've said. It is because they have man power and they have full control of their money and they can corrupt whenever they want so it is easy for them to waste money in gambling.

The government should make them stop because they can increase the threat of the virus and can make this pandemic lasts longer.

It is very dangerous to go outside, especially that you don't know who are those infected that can really pass you the virus. It is hard to communicate outside so as soon as possible, just enjoy those things that you have inside your house. Enjoy gambling online instead of risking your life in the outside world where there is a threat of the virus. Government should tasks those authorities to improve their security and every one must be punished by the law if they don't follow it. We need a proper governance and not a clowns, rules are rules and no one is exempted even the authorities are included. In terms of the entertainment, there are a lot of gambling games online that you can use so that it is unnecessary for you to go outside.

I really thinks it's possible that there is an underground casinos are now happening in different places because there are really stubborn people who will do anything, so they could continue their gambling hobby. That is why the COVID-19 cases is continuously increasing all over the world because they can't keep themselves stay at their own homes.

Yes, I believe that there is an underground casino available in the country which gambling is legal or illegal because the owner still wants to make money from the gamblers. The gamblers itself wants to play gambling games at the casino so, with the underground casino, that will accommodate them to keep gambling in the hidden place. Perhaps, the police have difficult to track them down because no one knows where are the place and only trust members will know, and they will not tell to unknown people.

That's why I've said, we don't know and no announcements. I don't understand why you have to say that. If you're living in a country that's too conservative and strict in their government rules, do you think that these operators will still continue if their lives is at stake if they've found out to be pushing this. And you cut what I've said that it's just allowed for those players that's been playing with them for a long time and probably has been treated as vip.

It's a different case for those countries that governs with strict rules but yeah, money talks and it's happening.

It is not an underground casino per se but yeah, it is happening.
 
My friends told me about someone who asked him about gambling secretly and that guy just chose who will go into his apartment to gamble. It is like a meetup but you are the one who invited them. I don't think casinos will be disobeying the protocol right now about the quarantine, but the gamblers, they can do a lot of things for this to happen.

The logic here is very simple, underground casino are illegal,  so no government would allow them to operate.

If this underground casino will be reported to the authority, the operator will certainly face a long jail time and of course the gamblers that will be arrested during the raid because they know it's illegal to gamble at this time that we are facing a global pandemic.
In short, underground casino exist and operating now, but they are illegally operating.

Let us not confuse ourselves to it, government is for legal, no government that will appreciate illegal activity even if they will benefit financially.

That's the risk but I'm sure that casino operators are aware of it, and they will do everything not to get caught or exposed to the point that they will even bribe authorities just to get their operation moving and not get caught, casinos are one of the most profitable industry and they will do all means to make it operational.

I believe bribery still happening. There are lots of fictional movies about gambling where they run freely even they are on illegal state but somehow there are politicians that protect them in return of giving them some money. We can believe its just a fiction but do you think it is? I wonder how those movies refer to? Perhaps in the real event or actual happenings in the real world. Underground casinos are still living and continue to run. Those people are not scared to over run by government cause they are simply protected. It hurts to know that but its the fact and its happening all over the world.

Underground activities are rampant even in the early days.   So, thinking if there is a possibility that an underground Casino is operating during the pandemic is more likely true.  We have not heard of these underground Casinos being shut down because the authority had yet to discover them.

I partly agree that there is a possibility that some government officials (the corrupt one) are probably backing this kind of activity but I think that the government is unaware of this.  Btw, from the word "underground", that means it is illegal and is not approved by the government to operate or the government is aware about its operation.

VIP players can always make ways to gamble, and I believe illegal gambling is happening especially on a lockdown country where all the casinos are temporarily closed. In my place, you can gamble and play mahjong or card games on your house which is very normal in my place but it still illegal.

There are cases in my country where gamblers are being caught by the authority playing on the front of their house while on a lock down, and the worst thing here they’re using money from the government’s help, well this is one proof that addict gamblers will always find a way to gamble.

I am not really sure if there casinos that existed underground. Maybe it is not possible in our area since the government have no funds for it. All I knew is that gamblers are unstoppable even though it is quarantine period. They can really find ways to keep playing. I do not know if they are just bored or what. They do not need casinos to play. They can play everywhere.

Underground casinos are an unfortunate reality in my country, we have legal casinos but they mostly appeal to people with more resources and as such are more expensive to play and not everyone can pay those prices, so the people that like to gamble and do not have a lot of resources prefer to play in underground casinos, but in the case of my country that is a misnomer because you can actually see people gamble on the street and the police says nothing to them which means they do not care or that they had been bribed.

Indeed, heavy gamers will find ways to continue gambling, though it's not easy to say if the government will allow this since there's ongoing lockdown, risking people for the sake of revenue  not impossible but for sure it will be very discreet in order to facilitate without any issues.

I understand what you say, but this is a fact of life. When we have the strength to be proud of ourselves or others, everything might be easy and this also happens to illegal gambling where operations are prohibited. While financial power can buy the law, maybe government officials can just sit and let the illegal thing happen and pretend to be deaf even though they know it.

For a pandemic situation, I can only suggest that we must understand how governments and medical staff are struggling to deal with a pandemic and prevent new cases from happening. No matter how much we have the desire to gamble and especially physical gambling, avoidance is a good thing for a while. This is an awareness that we must emphasize for every gambler and person who owns a gambling business.

So they are rising it lot first the national safety and secondly if it is identified government is going to sealed them and other penalties as well unless they are told to open it. So is it worth taking so much risk for those owners who are doing it

Well, gambling venues that are not registered can be considered as underground casinos for they don't pay tax and that makes it illegal and it keeps on happening right there and then especially during this lockdown for people who are not aware of online gambling and would want to lessen the boredom then they can just organize gambling anytime even inside their own house then just close it for security. It is irrational if the government will allow casinos to operate only because of the revenue wherein they are the one who imposes lockdown in the local areas it will be more logical then, --if they will just allow other businesses to operate the product or services are included in the basic necessities and not just for the leisure.

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It doesn't mean if a country like the Philippines that has a large number of crimes automatically refers to the higher number of underground casinos for this can also be happening in other countries as well we just have no idea who among the countries that that is going to be on the top and and who will be at the bottom for it is illegal and no data is being reported publicly and internationally.

I don't think new sufferers are average gamblers...  :P
I'm sure underground casinos exist. Casino owners definitely need the money and because they cannot open their places as usual, they must open their gambling business secretly and not be known publicly.

Many respected doctors in my country have come out with the view that the danger of coronavirus is exaggerated. In fact, it is a type of flu virus. Its mortality rate is comparable to that of the flu. Therefore, doctors say that tuberculosis, rotavirus and so on are much more dangerous, and many more people die from them. However, this is not reported in the media, so there is no such panic as from the coronavirus.


Based on what I wrote above, I personally believe that the danger from illegal casinos is higher and they need to be fought no worse than the coronavirus.

Possible but wont really be that having a strong evidence that those legal casino owners would consider out on making underground ones.
They do know on what would be the consequence when they get caught and if its known that they are the ones who are involved on said illegal
casino then they will surely compromised their legal casino which had been temporarily closed due to covid but well we know that they arent really
that dumb yet they can make out dummies just to hide up themselves and still continue to operate even in illegal aspect just for the sake
of profits.For sure there are underground places as said there are people who are really eager to play even we are on a crisis.

That's not what I thought, for a casino operator who have a license business that cannot operate at the moment, they won't not risk their reputation that might result to cancellation of their license once they are caught, and though there are gamblers who would really come in an underground casino but the operator can't always ensure that these people are trustworthy, it's possible that there are gamblers who would report it or maybe an authority has already spotted the location and just making some kind of surveillance, so I was thinking that these operators does not have a legit casino business.

Yes it exist and it's so hypocrite for us telling that there's no one existing but those are casino who didn't secure their permits, And I don't think there are legal casino would gamble their licenses for just operating a illegal temporary matters since for sure if they will get sued by the government they will lose their license as well everything the efforts they build for so many years.

 Although casino owners need money but for sure they will not get hungry if there's pandemic happening in the world.

You really can't stop gamblers, gambling is like smoking and drinking they have an itch that they cannot get over with and these gambling casinos knows all about it, and there's a possibility that they are secretly holding gambling sessions, they can bride the police so they can go on with their business, they will not stop making a profit from gamblers, it's a give and takes between them.

Yes, I just wonder why gamblers are not understanding about the government regulations like the government is providing guidelines only for the welfare of them and they will not be getting any benefit by locking them down within their home. Some governments already started relaxing the restrictions of lockdown and this could be the most anticipated announcement for gamblers because now they do not need to breach any regulations.

The urge of gambling must be the reason why people go for gambling even with underground casinos. There should be double the risk like they may get infected by covid19 and if they caught by authorities that may lead to legal punishments as well. Still, we do see people are risking just for the reason of gambling addictions. The urge of gambling may induce people to do anything, that is the thing we are learning here.

I guess so, Human is known for disobedience they will always find a way, I saw a thread here in gambling (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249137.0) he witness it himself some casinos are open in their country for some reason. And for sure there are casinos haven't known in public just in shadows or just operating underground. Here in my country, I heard the news some people are caught playing some cards (Maybe poker) inside a house maybe they are bored or they really missed gambling even if they risk their lives.

Many respected doctors in my country have died due to COVID. It is a type of flu virus which is a world more contagious and has no vaccine nor medicine. In a matter of months, the infection has reached more than 5 million worldwide. TB and rotavirus are well-known and have effective medications. There is no need to panic over something which is already understood by health experts. There is no need to broadcast to the media what has been discussed over and over again and whose related data can be accessed easily.


Quite frankly, I find this funny. If this is the direct result to your mindset because of what the respected doctors in your country tell you, you better do some introspection and perhaps take a look at the data. Las Vegas Mayor Goodman's logic looks much better than this.

Actually this is the problem because the Relaxation will bring another opportunity in the spreading of virus.

we have seen that in countries like China and Korea when they lifted the lockdown and people starts going around as if nothing happens ,so the second wave comes again and they are facing the pandemic once more.

the call of Addiction and Greediness is the reason why they are eager to play even without following the law.

Let them suffer both,to acquire the virus and to be put in Jail since they have no care at all but the gambling only.

I wonder how long the second pandemic will end as in the first time of the pandemic, that country needs more than 3 months to lockdown.

But let's hope that they know how to treat the pandemic since they already experienced from the first time. I hope that they don't go to the underground casino before the pandemic is really gone because this is a serious matter in their country.

That's what frustrating in this part because China had already made i think 3 months lockdown yet the second wave happens again and start spreading.

This is the problem if people don't pay attention to the situation and don't follow preventive measures after being allow to go out from Quarantine.

Of course because they already almost defeated the rfirst wave so they can easily maintain that accuracy of fighting this Virus.

well you have a POint there mate and i missed that part and yeah we are living in different kind of government so things are different from each other.

in that part we both agreed Buddy,because 'Money Speaks Louder" than anything specially when illegal activities are involved

I think in this time, they will restrict the rule with hard, and they will give a punishment for people who don't follow the rule. They need to limit people access to go out and don't let them underestimate the virus so they can solve the problem forever. I hope that the second wave will not become bigger as they might know how to protect their people based on their experience before.

You can't run a criminal organization (anything illegal, in this case underground casino) without governments help! A place without limitations, without questions, you come with money and you just gamble, nobody asks you about where you got your money, nobody will ask you where you wish payout, it's all cash (without trace, without any tax). That's not new, especially for big towns! You can find some underground casino in some private house in some village, but mostly underground casinos are in big towns, where you have big population, and people of any kind!

It is not just gambling. Basically it is human nature to do something people say you cannot do. Look at teenagers we were all there,,, no smoke, we smoke. No sleeping past 8, we sleep past 8. Lockdown shows nature of people too. Who cares about going out before but now you say you have to stay home,,, everybody wants to go out!

Regulations are the only way:)

And out of boredom, there will be some gamblers that will do everything just to get back into it and whatever they can to just satisfy the crave to gamble again. It may sound odd but that's really happening and not just for gambling but in almost everything.

Just like what we see in films, it happens in real life.

Because of the crave and the combination of boredom, this is what makes the other gamblers have that desire of going out.

I think that highroll gamblers play in villas, but this is more a club "for friends" than an illegal casino. As for clandestine casinos in big cities, of course they work under the control of the local police (corrupt) since information about such a casino sooner or later becomes generally known.

well depends on the people .  i never smoke ever since i was a kid , also i can follow rules in related to lockdown/covid  .also what can regulations do to stop addicted people  ?  afaik regulations tackles different issue but not to stop people from doing what they want   .  underground casinos despite of the lockdown era must be stop  , im talking about the offline or the actual casino that we saw outside because this can also make the spread worse  because people will attend to it secretly

Probably that's how the business works, if you like to keep operated, you need to give some protection money so the police would not touch your business, and I think some casino operators would prefer to operate illegally as they can minimize their expenses compared to paying taxes to the government when they choose to be a legal entity. 

I would not really going to call it underground casinos. They are obviously more like the illegal type of gambling joints and gambling joints not regulated by local or national government. There are already many of these kinds of shady places even before the pandemic. So it is not really a matter of asking whether they are existent or not, but rather if they can operate now and be able to sustain any form of profit with lower patronage compared to pre pandemic times.

If the police smell suspicion of hiding underground casinos to avoid paying taxes and continue to operate illegally during a pandemic lockdown, then they will get severe penalties because of the threat of multiple sentences. I think a group of gambling addicts is still operating, but only a small casino is only for maintaining gambling in its identity.

Considering this pandemic situation in order of safety it is essential to understand that putting the life on risk would not be the real outcome one would like to have it. Also, I guess only addicted ones would be going or would like to go to gamble rest of them can manage even without gambling for a while if they are not used to this online gambling.

Legal physical casinos now had already been closed at the moment that's why some of them are already appealing that they would need to operate because it would really kill out their business if this one would took too long but theres no other choice but to abide with the law or else they would face up legal issues.We cant say that theres no underground places out there since there are really people who do look to gamble in spite of the situation, stopping or locking them? Its impossible because they are operating illegally which means its unlikely for them to be known or detected unless if its leaked out.

This is true in uncivilized/corrupt countries. And it's hard to call a business. Rather, it is a criminal activity - and it is very fragile. Since this is an illegal business, there is no protection from the law, there are no property rights, etc. I would not mess with such things. Even as a simple player - there are no guarantees that they will give me a big win in such an institution.

It seems to me that underground casinos can only work in countries with a weak law enforcement system. To be a profitable casino requires an influx of a large number of players. Including the influx of new players. And because of this, it is impossible to keep the existence of an underground casino secret from law enforcement agencies for a long time.

That is really insane. Because if you are a reputable casino, definitely you can't think that way unless, if the is this particular place runs illegally. But as a gambler, I don't have to risk my life either knowing how this COVID-19 could lose our lives. There is probably no excuse even it is a mansion or a compound building unless if you just are playing with your family.

Well, this is a big problem here when people become desperate and knowing also that they have protection from the authorities. But if you are a responsible citizen in your place, we should have to help not to spread the virus because we really don't know who is the carrier of the said virus and that to get safe from staying at home rather than to take pleasure in gambling.

And usually, they proliferate in corrupt countries.
Even without this pandemic, underground casinos are operating if the law enforcement is weak and run by corrupt officials.
And gamblers are not disciplined as they know they can go around the law anytime they want.
However, if you are a responsible gambler, you will follow a different path and follow what is needed not just for the benefit of yourself but of others as well.

I am not sure how do you define a responsible gambler, one who is capable of benefiting others, benefiting other persons, other than benefiting you. Are the others you refer family members? I mean if you gamble and you won then you have all the right to share your fortune to your family, so is that what you mean by benefiting others? Or is it different benefiting others in the society like you win and you donated your gambling money to church or charity. Are there really those types of gamblers? Who thinks of others more than they think of themselves?

If there's an underground hospital in my country, I also believe that we also have an underground casinos and mainly operate as illegal. There's a lot of online gambling companies in my place, but since we are on a lock down they should not operate but there are cases where Online gambling companies are being caught of operating while on a lockdown, well that's how the money works for them. I'll never play on an underground casinos, that's a lot more risky compare to the traditional casinos and you might ended up in jail.

Underground casino's have existed prior the the pandemic, maybe it's secretive and obviously illegal and could be run by corrupt cops and politicians. I know a lot of illegal bookies before specially in horse racing and I do bet. I go to that house together with lets say around 5-10 gamblers and make a bet and it's very prevalent that time because they have been protected.

But when we had a change in government last 2016, they have been targeted, but they still exist up to this day but not the same as before. Yes, it is not a casino per se, but I believed there could be one operating somewhere here.

Yes, it is if they can bribe the law enforcement and politicians, they can go on set up their underground casinos and continue to make a profit, people will always continue to gamble if they have a way to gamble and they feel they are safe, these underground gambling sites should provide security to their gamers if they want to continue their business even at this pandemic.

sometimes there is no need to bribe because the operator or owner are government official itself lol.

we knew how big money is circling the gambling industry,Red Tapes are all around the corner so what canw e expect from these people?

their business will continue(though silently operating)still not stopping totally .

I believe that in any business, people can bribe law enforcement and politicians so they can run the business without any trouble. That can make them corrupt because they got the money from each business owner. If gambling is prohibited in some country while people like to gamble, they will search for the underground casinos, and that place will have a high-security before people can play gambling. It will be like what we watch on the movie which there is an underground casino full of rich people who play gambling.

Is this the one that you are telling here?the Rain in Fontana Hotel ,Pampanga/in which known as a chinese territory from Estrrada administration?


https://www.rappler.com/nation/261427-fontana-leisure-park-clark-pampanga-lockdown-chinese-coronavirus-hospital

well That is really shameful for their community because they are treating people for money with no assurance and maybe Fake medicines .


online Gambling is allowed in lockdown,because they only uses Sites to grab the opportunity of playing,or are you referring those Online betting casino that operated by Pagcor?

maybe you are wrong on that part,because traditional casino is more risky now because there are many players moving in such place and even they have crowd control team yet we cannot prevent people from engaging physically .

If you want to earn money even it will be a bad or a good thing, you will do anything just to have revenue.

This is what the underground casino owners maybe are thinking. With the pandemic happened, most of the casinos are forced to shut down and because of that their revenues are reduced drastically. Now with the gamblers who really want to gamble, they will do anything just to gamble and this where underground casinos will be created.

In this cruel world, things like this are very common already but they are doing it in silence. There are some casino owners who is close to a highly reputable politician or a rich people so you know what they can do :D.

You know what, we are talking about money here my friend. where you can make things work if we just give them to someone who wants it. Things will gonna work that way even though you think the government has some strict rules about it. Of course, there is some exception to it. there are some people who never allow themselves to be paid by those syndicate who runs underground gambling, but only a few of them are there. Because back in the early 2000s even our ex-president had been caught playing casino. what a bad choice they made back then.

I think that the reason is not the responsibility of the player. Here the state should understand that it is better to legalize casinos in certain areas than to have problems with underground casinos. If players have a choice, they will go to legal casinos.

From my experience, the legalization and tax problems force the casino owners to go underground and they continue to operate until something stops their activity. The third world countries are more famous regarding the case and governments advocate the reasons behind degenerating gambling mindset. If there were a mindset and psychological controls for entrance in casinos, I doubt someone will let their relatives go underground casinos if you know what I mean.

Personally, my opinion on this issue is as follows. There should be casinos in the country so that people can blow off steam and gamble. However, casinos don't have to be in every city. They should be massively concentrated in special gaming zones, such as Las Vegas.
Then people will be able to gamble and there will be no demand for underground casinos.

They probably understand these measures are for their own good at an intellectual level, however their need to gamble has probably reached compulsive levels and they cannot control the urge to gamble anymore after months of lockdown, and in a way we all can understand the desire to go back to our normal lives so try to imagine what those gamblers are feeling, however that is really no excuse for them to gamble in underground casinos and put all of us at risk, because it is really doubtful that if those places are open violating the lockdown that they are going to somehow respect the other measures needed to restrict the advance of the pandemic.

The fact of playing in a casino is not something reprehensible. Only excessive gambling is socially reprehensible. Playing in an underground casino should also be frowned upon if the existence of a casino is prohibited by law in the country or in a particular area.

I agree. It is not something that degrades you as a person, gambling is a mere fact of a form of entertainment involving money. But I don't think it should be called socially reprehensive either, even excessively coz who cares about you and your money? Unless you are not stealing someone's money to gamble right?

I guess any underground casino violates a law (not expert on laws but I think they really do) The fact that they don't have permit to operate is enough to be an outlaw, it's unfair for those casino houses that pays a monthly taxes for their operation especially now that they are closed for almost 3 months, they are still paying for the facility. And most of the underground casino are run by criminal organization.

When a person is excessively involved in gambling/alcohol/drugs, it can cause harm not only to them but also to people around them.
Besides, if we talk about politicians. If a person cannot control himself and his dependencies, then how will he control the state?


The main thing about underground casinos is not that they don't pay taxes. In underground casinos, the main thing is that no one can estimate what chance of winning is set in their slot machines, whether there is a magnet under the roulette wheel, and so on. They can deceive their visitors with impunity.

They wont really mind that much on thinking on the current situation of the world now towards pandemic as long they can play then that wont really be much an issue to them but lets hope that they do
still impose strict health safety precautions to stop the spread of virus even they do force out to play into that underground casino.For sure they do exist and do happen yet there are people who
are really eager to play in spite of the situation even though they do operate illegally but people wouldnt really care at all as long they can fulfill their desire to gamble.

Fact, if there are casino owners that are law abiding ones then there are also who dont like to be taxed even though we arent on a pandemic situation
they do still exist on a normal day living. Taxation and laws/orders that they do try to avoid.Yeah they know the risk but they do still continue
until they do bust out.

Casinos of this kind took place before the pandemic. In many countries, similarly, some casinos and private owners bypass taxes.
I am sure that many of these casinos will be raided with arrests and subsequent court cases.

But in those countries in which casinos of this kind have always been the norm - they are the norm and will remain and blossom with new colors.
The issue of spreading Covid is solved through the use of gloves and special convenient means of protection, in a normal mask it is difficult for a long time especially in the basement, in which such underground casinos are often based.

I have no doubts that in my country there such kind of casinos that wasn't closed even on pandemic. In our country some elite restaurants still works (for trusted members of course), why not to be the same with casinos?

I have a better story: In Ukraine, casinos is forbidden since 2009, but it was very funny to see all this brightening signboards of casinos which you could visit anytime and which was anywhere (but mostly they changed their game time to online games). Enough hypocrite. And everyone knew that police is getting money from them, and that "online casino" is in fact the same casino as is slot machine, but because our corrupted government, there wasn't much things to do.

And this was till last year, when our police minister in a day closed ALL casinos in Ukraine (and yeah, in main cities they were closed in one day) after president ask him to do this. So interesting, that he didn't do it during all 5 years on his position, but resolve it in a day after get asked about that.

When you get a lot of money from underground casinos, it is very difficult to refuse them. Did Avakov close all the casinos with tears in his eyes?
Illegal online casinos will be much more difficult to close.

I am glad that this happened in your country. Come and play at our casino in Minsk.  8)

yes it is, just because because most of such casinos (or some other illegal services) is protected on the highest level of government. It's some simple logic from people like that - "Yep, casinos it's bad, but sometimes i want to have a place where i can chill with my friends and lose some money in gambling. This will be place just for me and limited circle of people. I do not force or ask anyone to come here and play". That's very popular logic. So, someone created such underground casino and it become protected, police chief and other consider it as "their" place of the rest. It's hard to do anything about that.

The same as with prostitutes or drugs.

They don't have any logic. They have only the audacity and confidence that they are not subject to the laws of the country.
And the cruelest part of it. That this government and these people came to power after the revolution under the slogan "Stop tolerating corruption and lawlessness".
It turns out that whoever came to power they will also cover illegal casinos and other criminal businesses.

LOL.. all the casinos here in India are of the "underground" variety. Because gambling activity is banned here, and the majority of the people don't know how to gamble using the online casinos. Therefore I can understand what the OP is talking about. But that said, I don't think that legal casino owners will take the risk to go underground. The penalties are very severe and the risk is simply too high.

meaning the whole India is under banning of gambling that's why all of the Gambling there are going silent?
all of them are underground and only few people knows how to gamble online using VPN?


Yups there are countries or cities that banned gambling as the muslim countries i believe don't allow their people to gamble?am not sure but that's what i have heard.

Or even the police chief makes a secret agreement with the casino owner to give protection for their business so there is nothing that can stop them to run the casino. I think that is happening in many countries and many businesses because there are always corrupt people among good people. People only know that the underground casino cannot be touch by the law, and people will be safe to play on that casino.

bruh that's an old fashioned way of protecting, plus that would costs extra from the casino to maintain their operation coz these people were just a mere part of the government. These casinos we're not protected by the police, they are being protected by the local government. Most probably why the government is letting these things to flow is to prevent such a catastrophic chain of circumstance because most of these casinos are run by or connected to a syndicate on which the government is maintaining the peace. You don't move a perfect balanced table in another place.

Underground casinos might be operating by now, but I doubt that the owners are unafraid of the viral disease.

"Were"? They still and mostly, they have a deal with cops, because it's cops case to prevent such things, so you need to pay them directly if you don't want to be seized. And very often, such casinos protected by a highest level of police. 

Places like these still exist, yes. They're not only protected by the police, but also with some government officials, or worse the police or government official are one of the associate in running the business.
But being an underground casino ain't just about gambling, It's all about doing dirty businesses. They cant sustain to feed the corrupt officials if they solely rely on gambling profit.

I don't know much about Muslim countries. However, I believe that many of their laws and regulations should be copied by other countres. For example, how they raise children by teaching them to respect their elders. People should not drink alcohol, gamble, etc. This has huge advantages.


Corruption exists in any state, this is the truth. However, corruption has different volumes in different countries.
It is very bad when underground casinos operate openly and are not afraid of anyone. This undermines the trust of citizens in the country's law enforcement agencies.

This is very common on a restricted areas since people are too greedy, they will go for an easy money and underground casinos is happening but it is not controlled by any legal casinos, I'm sure there's a group of people who controls a lot of illegal things. My country have so much gang to host an illegal gambling, in a big country like India, I know its also happening there.

If it's a big time casinos highest ranking official are the one protecting it, there's no way a lower rank police officer will protect that officers will demoted or worse they will be fired, a high ranking officers has connections and he is the one supervising in his area, so he can create a cover up.

Even though that is an old fashioned way, that still work until today, and we see not just in gambling, but I think that is work in the discotheque or another illegal activity at night. The police give a back up for that place and not just the local government because that means hot money for them so they will protect that place. Yes, there is a money chain that will distribute from that place to another hand which we don't know.

The owner is not afraid because they work behind the table, and his employee will be at the front liner. The owner watches his business run from the other place, so when something wrong happens, the owner will just call the local authority which already receives the hot money to clean the mess.


Yes, we know corruption is hard to be clean from every country. That is why the underground casino needs to stay at the underground, and not invite many people to come, but only the trust members who can visit that place. The citizens will not know if there is an underground casino operate in their city because the place is at the hidden from anybody.

Underground casinos does exist, not only thesedays during the pandemic but they are available since long time ago especially in countries where gambling is considered as ilegal activity. I have heard there are some underground or private casinos in my city, not all people can and play on that casinos. There is something like membership for those who want to play on that casino and I believe these casinos are protected by the local government.

Underground casinos are a reality regardless of the legal status of gambling in the country in which you are living, even if gambling is legal you can be sure that there are underground casinos either because they do not want to pay the high taxes or because they do not want to follow the regulations from the governments, and this can be very dangerous especially on the times in which we are living a pandemic, because it is very likely that those places are not going to implement the necessary sanitary measures that any other business will have to employ in order to keep themselves open.

I agree.
If you prohibit anything in the country, such as alcohol, everyone will go underground and it will flourish.
But in the case of time constraints, it makes little sense to risk legal business bringing very good income in order to make money illegally.
The casino always has a supply of funds. In addition, they can easily be reformatted online for a while. For example, using webcams and more.