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hi i want to do a game that people play against each other by btc the question is it call gambling ? Should i have a gambling licese to run this kind of games? Im planning to do 1vs1 games for mbtc.. thanks for the help

You need a license to run your business casino not the games,.

What u need for the games is provably fair, went the result comes out was really fair from the game without manipulation from the casino itself and every user who playing on your casino can check the fairness by themself.

Reply above of mine was right, you need first a license of your casino gambling to avoid problems in the future.

Maybe you are referring to P2P gambling and I think you must need this previous discussion.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5239902.0

You need to specify what game you want to run by your P2P gambling platform.

Hmm I'm planning to develop few games such as backgammon let's say player1 put 0.01mbtc and player2 do the same and they play against each other.. You think it's necessary to have gambling license ?

Yes. As long as there is money at stake, that's gambling.

That player vs. player game is a good idea and if it's backgammon, I think it's something. But most of the games that I've seen making this kind of pvp games except poker, they don't get much attention.

You've been answered by ryzaadit about licensure.

Yes absolutely, A license also adds integrity to a gambling site and a big plus on the trust you will give to the gamblers. Most of the online casino nowadays has their gambling license and without having, it might have a chance that gamblers might not have interest in playing on your casino.

Btw, P2P games are the ones I'm very interested in. I don't have any idea how backgammon works but I can learn it when your future casino is launched. Of course I will play on a promotion period.

This is true where most pvp game sites nowadays doesnt really get that much of attention which causes for them to fail. Lots have tried but do end up the same thing but lets see on how backgammon will pull some interest but op shouldnt hope that much.
In talks of licensure then it will vary on countries jurisdiction because we  know that there are known or famous sites now doesnt even have a license but talking about reputation and security then having one would give  positive impressions.

Gambling and games are different, so if you are going to develop a game with multiplayer options then it is compared as league or tournament which doesn't need gambling license.

If it's a game where people can gamble with each other using a game currency it might not require licenses. Many games have skins and items that people gamble with and it's a kind of hidden gambling.

If you want people to wager cryptocurrency you will have to check your local laws. Many casinos opperate without licenses. It depends on the country where you register.

Must be p2p. I have played a p2p and its an uphill battle to get some users to play the game. I have tried the binary options which is basically a p2p platform and it looks like there is not much players to see there. Players are just use to seeing they'd bet against the house when there is no one around.

Is it possible to expand your OP to include some of the answers provided to explain what you want to do?  If you are playing a game with another person and you have an informal wager on the outcome then that is a wager, but if you provide a gaming platform (ie a series of games) where players place wagers on the outcome (be it dice, roulette, cards etc), then that is a Casino and you would definitely need to seek legal advice on your jurisdiction's registration requirements (regardless of where a Casino was hosted).

Reading through some of the replies concerning registration you could probably get away with being unregistered while you develop the back of house systems and were not accepting bets except in a BETA play mode, but again get legal advice before getting too far down the track.

Good luck.

If it's a format like this then you definitely need a gambling casino license. Still there are a lot of questions still to be asked and based on that you can change its format to not need the gambling license. A simple example would be changing it into a tournament type of format where there's a type of registration fee and the top 3 winners would receive a certain amount of that price pool or you can set the price all on your own, simple as that. Another simple format would be kind of like those in the arcades where you exchange reward tickets for prizes. This is considering you'd expand your current list of games and not just backgammon, but anything else than that that involves putting out money is probably in the lines of gambling. Ask for some advice from those that are experienced tbh, or just in Reddit.

You mean play against each other "for or with" btc (instead of by btc?)

It's betting (or what we erroneously call gambling), If you mean a game people compete with each other for prices/rewards/profits, especially for rewards staked by the parties involved.
You will probably need a license if it's for profit purposes. I guess there are countries you won't be bothered with license if it's a small business

I have seen some casinos that did this but it's not really clicking. The gamblers that we have right now don't look to this kind of setup anymore. I think if it will be chess or any common game that's very common, it can click.

In my understanding, both prepositions were what he meant to say.

Legitimately, you need to have licensed to operate.

In that way, gamblers will see you as worth putting a risk that might lead them to test our site. That's already one step to success if you handle things properly along the way.

But before anything else, what kind of game are you trying to implement?

I think you definitely need a license for what you are planning on doing, however the laws can be very different among countries so your best bet is to find a lawyer and discus what you want to do and listen very closely to the response you get, now if you are only planning on implementing those kind of p2p games then you may not need a lot of capital to launch your platform but if you are planning to include more traditional games like dice, slots, or roulette then you will need a huge amount of capital to form your bankroll and unless you already have that capital then it will be difficult to raise that capital with the economy being in such a bad shape.

As of my understanding on OP, he is going to create a game where the BTC will come from both parties. Literally, gambling 1vs1. And not the platform having the pool of BTC to win.



Even if the country doesn't really requires a specific license to run the business, it is better for you to play safe and get the license first before you operate it. Or to be sure, you might hire a lawyer who knows how to run this kind of business. Most of the time, processing of the license usually takes 3-6 months.

In our country Philippines, Online gambling license supports the following according to this article (https://offshoreshield.globaltradersacademy.org/en/gambling-license/philippines/):

Casino, eSports, Poker, Sports Betting, Lotto, Bingo, Horseracing, Bitcoin Casino, Fantasy Sports, Games of Skills.

With bitcoin casino included, I'm pretty sure you might really need a license.

Sounds like peer to peer betting platform. Although I am not expert but I believe you should be perfect from your ends when you are going to play with money. At least from your country you should have proper documents to run peer to peer betting site. You should hire a legal advisor from your country where you are going to run platform. So he will advise you what is the required documents. But if you want to run without documets or licence then up to you, and not sure how long will you able to continue. It's like exchange, some exchange have license and proper documents, and some exchange have nothing.

But if you wondering to build decentralized betting platform then licence isn't much important IMO. I am not sure based on what you are going to build peer to peer betting platforms. If you are wondering about centralized peer to peer betting platforms then you have to ensure transparency and likely you should start with minimum documets to avoid government issues.

It is called gambling since players are risking their btc to earn more btc. This kind of gambling is called PVP since it's player against player instead of the house. There are other sites like this where their game is PVP and non-PVP games. You need license to create your own gambling platform and also keep the security tight.

I am not sure but if this game is relied on luck then it is called gambling and you should have a license.
The most games that are considered gambling have to do with cards, numbers, etc.
If the game is relied on skill then you don't need license.

I sure that developing a game would not require a license to do, so you could create many games or even gambling games as you like as long as you can or you have the knowledge to do it. Also as long as the game is involving money in the game like a bet it is already gambling in your case even if it is only for 1v1 but still involving money like a bet so I think you can call it gambling.

Good luck to your project you might only need them licensed if you are going to open a gambling website. So if you are planning to do that you might need a bit of research in your place about that.

You know that gambling is just wagering of money or any kind of things but the sequel is totally uncertain. so, I think the game you wanted to open that includes gambling, because look at the main point in your game two person will invest money uncertainly with the intention of winning money. so, your game includes gambling, but I think you don't need to have a gambling license, gambling license are required for casinos, not for apps.

Who will hold that mbtc? I mean if you are the person who is going to handle all financial related to your gambling activity then you must go for registering your business which will get you a licence to operate. If you just plan a gambling activity for this community then you may go for hiring an escrow to hold the funds and to distribute the funds. I mean if you are not planning a business but want to host some 1vs1 kind of gambling activity then you may go for escrow and obviously you do not need any licence to host.

I feel it is not about idea but you are asking about legal things. I was entering into this topic with the intention of suggesting you some innovative gambling ideas but you are looking for something irrelevant to gamblers. I also suggest you to go for consulting a local lawyer so that you will get more clear idea about licencing.

Don't get wrong with me but if you still don't know whether you need license or not to run casino, then, sorry but this isn't your niche.
Btw what kind of game do you plan to create? Do you have that much knowledge to do this alone or do you have a team of developers? Just buying script online and then running a website isn't a business.
Definitely you need a gambling license to run this kind of games. On another hand owning a license makes you a little bit serious among users (no one wants to play on not licensed casino because of dangers that are associated with scams and etc.

Good point! He didn't do a basic research about his idea (many members here had the same idea, to create a PvP game, but more than that we never hear). You asked a good question, what kind of game, is he alone in that, new or bought script... there are many questions and OP should have all this answer right on the beginning, and than to come here and present us his idea and how he plans to realize that idea.
Except poker, I don't play any other PvP game. It's not that I don't like it, it's because there aren't many PvP games (at least I don't know about them). Maybe someone should create a list of available PvP games for crypto of course!

 yeah it is still a gambling as long as there is money at stake and there are people betting or playing for that money  .

having a license is always a good idea and you can use this advantage over other many casinos that are illegal or doesnt have a license but still continue to operate underground   . lastly i like your idea of a head to head game or player vs player   . these type of gambling arent too much ,so you can also use this as an advanatage to gather hyped

Let's hope OP that is not misunderstood the game he/she mentioned. Since maybe what he/she mean about player vs player is like a poker or some card games for example that is only for 1 versus 1.
On first glance, after I read the OP especially the title of the thread, it seems like a new level gambling especially it needs personal skills to play with it, not by pure luck. And for sure since OP mentioned "developer idea", it's the kinda techy part where it will be developed from the scratch.

I hope he knows what gambling means. If he uses money, then yes, that will be called gambling. If he only wants to play, I think he doesn't need a license because he is the players. But if he wants to build a gambling website, he should have a license, so he doesn't have to worry about anything. I think you missed something here, so you seem to look confused. You can search for more information about how to build a gambling website and what is needed before you start to build that website.

What kind of game?
Is it like that Mobile Legends/Dota2 game where they just make bets for whoever will win?
I don't think you will need a license for that since it will just be for addition of fun.  ;D

But how will you make profits from it?
They could just do it on their own the next time they want to bet each other again?