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Every time you genuinely want to discuss something here you will encounter three type of persons,

1) Laborers             :   Reply just for the sake of increasing signature campaign posts. They will jumble words and consciously stretch the
                                  sentences. They do not care about the quality of argument.

2) Overcomplicaters :   They will test any argument on Cartesian certainty, no matter how sound your argument may be but they will oppose it
                                   with tooth and nail. 

3) Bosses                :   Just look at my rank/merits/green trust, you should be grateful that I commented on your thread.

When any serious participant find your topic (which was already hijacked by above mentioned guys with tens of pages), he will be like oh!
So many people already replied and they might have covered the point I want to make so lets leave it.

LOL.

You can report these, if they get deleted (they often do), they can't get paid for that post.

You can always ignore them; not much more than can be done here (unless it's off topic, in which case a report is valid)

You could also create a self moderated thread; clearly stating that you will not allow off topic, spam and some other shitposts; and problem solved. You'll most likely get called a censor or some other similar BS; but I think we can live with people from a forum being mean to us

1) if they are shitposting report them to moderator(I usually go with "zero value post" or "redundant post for signature campaign")
2) so oppose them back
3) well, if boss made a comment then you should be grateful  :P. Any examples?

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On side note, I bookmarked your topic about dice to send you merit, I really liked that.

OP, are you talking about the forum sections in general or Meta in particular--you said "here" and I don't know exactly what you mean by that. 

I'm not sure if I completely agree with these classifications, but I'd say most members fall into the first category anyway since most members are wearing a paid signature.  And yeah, it's been a problem for years that people make replies with almost zero thought just to boost their post count.  On the other hand, just because someone is in a campaign doesn't automatically mean their post was made for money (and I'd argue that whether that's true or not depends a lot on which section you're in).

I definitely support this.  One thing newbies should learn early on is to grow a relatively thick skin and know that relations can get....prickly....at times, and I wouldn't be afraid of speaking up if you're reading BS, nor get offended if someone calls you out on it.

     The first set of people
+ They are spammers and those guys don't very frequently enter a topic of top quality- even if they do, it less and you can ignore- so if your post is above there class- that is of good quality- you can't be too concerned about them.

     The second set
+ Criticism should not scare you when you are sure of a what you putting out, some can be trolls -report- but if it's a reasonable criticism you should not shrink,

   The third set
+ Aren't you just imagine it exists, - no one is bossing you around here- don't be scared of the profile but get what was posted by the profile -helpful use it, otherwise ignore-

Self-moderation would be good.

So, you can full control of your thread went on other users making post spam you can delete the post by your self without waiting for a moderator to taking some action reports. Don't forget to put your local rules on your thread, so they will know it before making some post on your thread. They will think twice about making some posts on your thread but don't use this option for hiding/deleted a real fact on the topic thread because you can be marked as abuse the thread by using the self-moderations.

One of the examples from my thread using a self-moderation https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5241604.msg54250200#msg54250200 on the "Trading Discussion" board one of the board could be for a spamming and chasing the signature minimum payment. As you can see, no one making comments or posts on my thread until now maybe they are too scared spamming on my thread since I have full control over my thread.

I oppose your idea that there are only 3 kinds of troublemakers. What about the walls-of-text-that-make-your-eyes-bleed trolls, DT gang fighters, merit cyclists, and various assorted dipshits who bring their personal disputes into every topic.

Granted most of those live in Meta probably.

But I mean seriously, what's wrong with #2? It's a discussion forum. Discuss or ignore.

Yep, he forgot the trolls, he forgot about the ones that not necessarily "shitpost by number", but not really read what was discussed before posting and the list may continue.
But I agree with OP. Sometimes one has to skip a lot of crap to get to the subject in a thread, whether it's his thread and wants go get an answer, whether he wants only to genuinely help.
And it's not only in meta.

For number 2 avoid the reputation board :-P

Anyway, on a serious note, I really do not see any problem with any of it. This is a forum and everyone can have their own style of delivering their opinion. Maybe it's not much easy for new users to understand the style of specific users but once you get used to knowing the users more or less, then you will easily understand their posts and their explanations behind a statement.

It takes time to get to know a community.

Would you want a quality forum with handful of people, or one which has bit mixture of everything?

Its an quality forum with an mix of everything !

You will be always have people that has a other view or opinion in every forum.
You cant do it to everybody right , specialy in a forum thats have so many Users.

As suchmoon said Discuss and write or just stay neutral as possible.

I'm mostly interested about topics going into the technical aspect of Bitcoin but I've seen loads and loads of statements that are just outright wrong. There is no problem with expressing opinions but it is extremely frustrating to see users posting things that doesn't make sense and doesn't show any willingness to learn. The worst part is that there's a chance for someone to heed their advice and potentially lose money. I do report them and their responses gets removed but it's still pretty common.

I do agree that the differing views does make for a more diverse discussion and I enjoy seeing a few of those who genuinely try to substantiate their opinion even though it differs from the norm.

In this case, the topic creator plays some role indirectly to increase the low valued posts. Some people (generally lower rank) also create a topic for boosting the post count, and they don't care and don't go back to close the topic. Thus some people take opportunities to make zero-valued/repeated posts.

1) Yep.
2) That take lots of energy, sometimes you just need to let it go because they will reply to every comment of you as a opposer and that will add to crap.
3) I am always grateful to the established members of this forum for making this place wonderful.

On side note,
 Thank you BOSS! ;D

All of those listed above except for no. 1 which are spammers and shitposters, I accept it from my threads. I always open for negative opinion because maybe, I have mistakes in my post. In fact, it is more good if they are opposing your statement because it just define how they understand your topic.

You can see if they comprehend when someone disagrees your statement rather than all of them are favoring in your side. It is also a great discussion if there is an argument. Somehow, the topic will elaborate more and many ideas will explicit.

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When there are boss that replies my topic, damn I really shock and amaze. Specially if they correct me from my wrong. It just prove that my post is atleast has an impact to them.

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Embrace and learn from different opinions. We are not perfect and we can learn everything if we can accept negative feedback. Sometimes, learning is a painful process.

The fact that this is a forum and allows freedom of speech is the reason why different thinking modalities exist and also because everyone is human except @LoyceV being an AI and @Lauda being a NinjaCat. :D

You have to learn to live with everyone, just like you live in your home. There are people who will be nice, people who are unruly and people who dont care. These are different shades of the same thing, being human and one needs to accept this in order to be able to live at peace. Does not mean you are living here, but it is a simile.

Opinions vary, that does not matter. But if you spamming report those posts with a reason, they get taken down if the reason is genuine enough. But if you feel like you are starting to hate it, then nobody is holding you back. You can stop visiting the forum and find another one soon enough. ;)

Thanks to this post, I got to see some of your posts about Poker challenge as well as the one about tea-vendor (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5241597.0) whom you contemplated informing about UPI and then bitcoin. Nice work there.
Also, its quite evident that you are from India. We'd all love to hear more from you at the Indian sub. If you are not part of the club already, then contact Heisenberg_Hunter to reach out on TG. Also, it'll be good for me to have someone in North from the forum. Corona has made things difficult though. How i wish I could drive to Delhi and see some friends.

Well, some are guilty and some are not. It is already up to your point of view whether it is necessary to report them. Hmm, my advice I guess is to be more considerate and meticulous before reporting because not all posts from megathreads (where most of "laborers" can be seen) are trash, there are mediocre posts that looks so generic up to extent of making no contributions to the discussion at all.

All of us got our own different opinions so learn to respect it as long as it is not yet hitting below the belt. Enlightening them would be a nice move as well :).

That's funny but you can't do much about it because they are like everywhere. I might sound like the second guy who is trying to oppose you but I am not, because I agree to it but I don't think you can actually have a fight with them because as you said they never get tired of opposing you. It gets old pretty fast, the enjoyment you get from posting new content evaporate slowly as you see people bowing down to money for making useless posts.

Oh don't take it all that personal, mate. They have the right to speak. You have the right to not listen. ;)

Well, it's online forum where people comes from all corners of world, from different social tiers, culture, education and every have their point of view. It's impossible to have perfect forum without these kind of people. Same like in real life - you can't like every person who is around you.
1. What do you expect when we have signature campaigns? Some people obviously came here just for money and it's nothing strange that they are posting as much as they can to maximize their earnings.
2. Sometimes it's just pointless to discuss with some people and any of your arguments will not work. For people who are saying that earth is flath, you can't prove that they are wrong, no matter what you say, they will just deny all facts. So, it's better not to waste your time sometimes.
3. I don't know about it, I haven't noticed such things. Maybe it's not worth to pay attention to these wannabe bosses :).

I think such posts usually isn't bad enough to be deleted. It doesn't break. any rules, it's not off-topic. It's just generic post made just to reach sig. campaign weekly posting quota.

I don't see see someone doing this, nor say to myself that I am a high rank and I should be respective, we all live and follow the forum rules, that's what matters, and if the post is not quality, that's the job of the campaign manager to check but if its a spam, its the forum mods job to check.


That depends on the topic actually, if such topic is like sports related like the NBA thread in the gambling discussion, everyday I see a lot of post but its substantial post as everyday there's always a new update and news regarding NBA.

Now that we know you are sick of replies and posts it would be nice to hear some propositions from you.
How would you improve bitcointalk forum?

There are also some quiet parts in the forum, if that is what you are looking form.
Explore a bit more.

That my friend, is called spam and it does go against the forum rules.


I was actually going to let this one fo, but then I re-read your whole post, and your first statement.... maybe saying that's everything that's wrong in the forum is over-stepping; but I think it's not really far away from it.
You get paid because you post; you don't post because you get paid. The line between these 2 sentences might seem blurry, but it's really clear most times. The first one is, in prinicple, okay; but the second one leads to spam (as you have pointed out in the above statement). I'm quite surprised to see that mentality in an account as old as yours; because it's the typical incentive of "how do I earn merits?" questions from newbies that have come here only to earn money from Bounties, but every person has it's own circunstances, and I'm not judging that.

And to add..

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Actually the forum is popular because we have a lot of users here, with only few number of moderators it's hard to maintain that all post quality can only be seen, that is why as a member we also have some responsibility to report spam post for the good for the good of the forum.

And for OP.. I suggest that he will start using the ...
https://imgbbb.com/images/2020/05/28/ignore.png

I gave a little percentage from what I noticed..

50% poster

35% posters

I don't think the OP thinks it's personal..  he/she created this topic because was concerned about the reality that was happening..  ;)

First of all, sorry if my post will be formatted not very well because I'm on mobile. About reporting such posts, I know what I'm talking about from my personal and other users experience. I don't talk about one liners and similar shitpsts. I'm more about generic posts which you can see in Bitcoin discussion, Speculation or Gambling boards. Usually it's few generic sentences which are related to topic. But in many cases they repeat what was said already or they are talking without much knowledge about subject. Try to report such posts and you will see that mods won't delete it.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see big difference between get paid because you post and post because you get paid, it's more just playing with words. As long as we have signature campaigns, people will be incentivized to post. But it's not always bad and it don't cause just spamming. Signature campaigns also is reason of quality posting, best example of it is Chipmixer. And I'm not sure how you can judge my mentality just from few sentences...

I see your point and you maybe right but If the post you report is from a long thread I would assume a mod would need to skim through tens or hundreds of posts to reach the conclusions that it's just a repetitive sig spam. Giving some examples might help I suppose like "low value repeating sig spam please see post 123 125 and 130"
Not saying it's the winning strategy but might have a bit more success imo.
Don't give up :)

No worries, we've all been there.

I do report those posts, and they do usually get deleted. Even if it's a bit on topic, it's a low value post that adds pretty much 0 to the discussion, and as such I consider them to be spam. Those generic posts have only value to the user making them, and if the post itself was not monetized, that post wouldn't have been made in first place. Putting it in another way... if the post is there because the user is getting paid for it, and otherwise it wouldn't exist-->spam post

On the first case (posting and getting paid for it), you don't alter your posting habits because of the payments. You post what you post on the boards you enjoy, and would do it getting paid or not.
On the second case (getting paid for posting), you only post because of the payment. You post in places you wouldn't if you didn't get paid for doing so, and most of those replies are generic answers that don't really add much to the conversation.

We could argue that signature campaigns make some users do an effort and improve their posting, but that's not what happens in most of the cases. The CM is the perfect example of what I mean with "users posting and getting paid". Most of the selected users did already contribute in a substantial way to the forum; and most of them will still do it even if they didn't get paid for each post they made. It's not that they are good posters because they are in the campaign; but they are in the campaign because they are good posters.

That why I said I wasn't doing that

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Generic posts are usually very easy to spot; just reporting them and adding some kind of "low value signature spam post" will get the job done in most of the cases

Most spam posts are done by signature participants whose purpose is only to fulfill weekly quota without caring about the quality of posts. If so, use the function (report post to moderator) or delete posts that have low value if you start a self-moderated topic.

Hair is not the same black, and thoughts and understanding can of course be different. But if its a troll, then you dont need to feed it. Discuss if its only with people who have slightly different opinions or those who dont understand, ignore if its a troll.

Forum are places that uphold the principle of democracy, anyone is free to talk. Bosses are not kings but I will consider them to be established members if their opinion can complement and add to our horizons. Be thankful if it will open our mind, but good bosses usually dont show their fangs and strength because people already appreciate them even though sometimes they also need to (depending on need).

OP, while the first and third classifications of yours are valid irritants I honestly don't think number two should be any problem. You see? No man is an island. Except you don't take a fancy to someone differing to your opinion or you abhor constructive criticism, I don't see how this should be a problem. Let's take a gander at this - Do you think there would've being a thing as the crypto industry if Satoshi didn't find the urge to differ to popular opinion on finance and the economy?