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Economy => Reputation => Topic started by: cheater detector on May 30, 2020, 12:05:18 PM



Title: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: cheater detector on May 30, 2020, 12:05:18 PM
So, I found suspicious user apply in [OPEN] WOLF.BET Signature Campaign - Hero/Legendary - Up to 0.008 BTC/week! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5244041.0).

User: qory (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=412318)

First, Zwei announce new slots for his campaign on Today at 10:22:04 AM
https://i.ibb.co/P4t313X/suspiciouswolf-2.png (https://ibb.co/5v2tstp)

Then, around 30 minutes this guy received 3 merit from randegibran (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=975765) and also 3 merit from muratsink (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=897308)
https://i.ibb.co/b7rmzDv/suspiciouswolf.png (https://ibb.co/zNSxGD2)

After he got enough merit, he applied on Today at 11:04:40 AM
https://i.ibb.co/5spGYJ0/suspiciouswolf-3.png (https://ibb.co/wpGBJ2k)
http://archive.vn/PyU8E

Another proof/suspicious thing:
This three user have same local board (Bahasa Indonesia) qory (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5189194.msg52656543#msg52656543), randegibran (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5201310.msg53090101#msg53090101), muratsink (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212608.msg53494270#msg53494270)
Both of merit sender to qory has got negative trust from DT and not active posting again
Both of merit sender to qory is going offline after he send merit to qory

https://i.ibb.co/3vdc6vB/suspiciouswolf-5.png (https://imgbb.com/)
http://archive.vn/0MEAg

https://i.ibb.co/Bsr8xCn/suspiciouswolf-4.png (https://imgbb.com/)
http://archive.vn/cyEMf

Note:
I don't have 100% proof if these user is connected. I create this thread to see your thought about this suspicious thing.


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: Bitcoinsummoner on May 30, 2020, 12:30:45 PM
Another fact.
User muratsink (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=897308) last post on: May 03, 2020, 04:27:37 AM And

User randegibran (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=975765) last post on: November 26, 2019, 04:00:56 AM
So these two user came online today after long gap only to give merit.

Also, they both are already negatively trusted.


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: btc_angela on May 30, 2020, 12:39:14 PM
Yeah, good catch, but I highly doubt that @Zwei will likely accept the receiver of the merit here, - qory, because of post quality.

But I agree that chances are, those two are alts and trying to push the main account to get accepted on a high paying btc paying signature campaign, but you busted them.


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: blue Snow on May 30, 2020, 12:40:28 PM
what relationship between qory and Bitcoinist?, you archived

http://archive.vn/PyU8E#msg54528978



Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: Bitcoinsummoner on May 30, 2020, 12:46:06 PM
what relationship between qory and Bitcoinist?
They might be alter. But I think qory  has copied the post of Bitcoinist and forgot to edit the username. Just noticed post has been edited:
https://image.prntscr.com/image/yWzLMNy2SriwNJML9Qj6BA.png


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: cheater detector on May 30, 2020, 01:03:07 PM
It is off topic.
I didn't say if qory and Bitcoinist are same owner. It just for my reference if I can caught them have connected things (example: address, telegram, twitter etc).
And like Bitcoinsummoner said, maybe qory only copied the application from Bitcoinist. If you have the proof between qory and Bitcoinist is from same owner, you can post it


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: mitchr4 on May 30, 2020, 01:10:02 PM
To me it does look suspicious and potentially these accounts are connected to each other. Moreover, he needed merit to join the campaign and he also got it in just minutes


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: Pffrt on May 30, 2020, 01:18:24 PM
Merit exchange isn't anymore a valid sign of accusing alt unless the exchange or abuse is very blatant although this one you are talking about is explicit that they are alt. You can try to further investigate their previous post history and if they are alt, they will leave some foot prints obviously.


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: Bitcoinsummoner on May 30, 2020, 01:50:55 PM
User: muratsink erc 20 wallet id: 0xe18e2fe9Df99E89edbCf8C345776Ed351d0a444A archive: http://archive.is/0QUlZ#selection-779.9-819.33
0.003 Ether received from 0x4397Dc426bc734dc500F90c9C7A1d72B2B7fd0B1 (https://etherscan.io/tx/0x75f297c75de02df3dff1ab7da352cb8b19433ca2ed376fc267ef3f3ad60843e8)

User: randegibran erc 20 wallet id: 0xba2cbcf2ef87e02097ecf656ba88513cc3d9067a archive:  http://archive.is/heLsJ#selection-1691.9-1725.65
0.003 Ether received from 0x4397Dc426bc734dc500F90c9C7A1d72B2B7fd0B1 (https://etherscan.io/tx/0x1b84f4fadb314673ec62447d389b0cc0dcea28c673fde313b8ebd5b78db38b8f)

So these two accounts are 100% alter.

Note: qory, muratsink  and randegibran  all are/were active users on Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian).


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: iamsheikhadil on May 31, 2020, 04:32:33 AM
Good catch! You have an eagles eyes! It's frustrating to see those merits going to alts instead of posts of beginners which need more encouragement and deserve merits. It's funny they do it so openly without thinking no one can catch them lmao. But since merit trading isn't a bannable offense, they are unlikely to face consequences. But surely will end up in the ignore lists of many merit sources :D


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: YOSHIE on May 31, 2020, 07:09:17 AM
If I observe the eth address used by: muratsink (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=897308), (0xe18e2fe9Df99E89edbCf8C345776Ed351d0a444A), then he is connected again with the @tetyulfania account.
And vice versa if you see the Twitter that is used though @tetyulfania, he actually also has dozens of Alt accounts in this forum.

Accounts Connected:

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg51177717#msg51177717. by post: @rhomelmabini.

Accounts Connected:

1. tetyulfania (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1315947)
2. ningsihdiah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1346000)
3. tikaapriliani10 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1319932)

Proof:

Post by: tetyulfania (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5177945.msg52487184#msg52487184)
Quote
Bitcointalk username: tetyulfania
Bitcointalk profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1315947
Telegram: @tetylianae
Ethereum: 0xe18e2fe9Df99E89edbCf8C345776Ed351d0a444A

http://archive.is/wip/8h9VA

Telegram username: @muratsink
ETH (ERC20) Address: 0xe18e2fe9Df99E89edbCf8C345776Ed351d0a444A

http://archive.is/wip/8ASZW



Proof:

12 Accounts Connected:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1158030 cahkalut
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1319932 tikaapriliani10
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1314188 ammadromadhon
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1273460 perijahat
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1320033 aditasetia123
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1363123 anng3lheart1
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1363183 boybounty21
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1513982 Contentryon
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1308283 noerainidessy
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1363157 bestcloe78
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1307726 LiaCarol1
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1303991 devinurtin112




Proof:

Post by: tikaapriliani10 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2869121.msg29518457#msg29518457)
Quote
Twitter Link: https://twitter.com/TUlfania

http://archive.is/wip/1gurZ

Post by: tetyulfania (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2256879.msg24657003#msg24657003)
Quote
Twitter Profile Link: https://twitter.com/TUlfania
username tele: @tetyulfania

http://archive.is/wip/aErye

Post by: ningsihdiah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3204071.msg33361673#msg33361673)
Quote
Username twitter: @Tulfania
Link to profile twitter: https://twitter.com/TUlfania

http://archive.is/wip/SjKdJ

Related Addresses:
Code:
Ethereum: 0xe18e2fe9Df99E89edbCf8C345776Ed351d0a444A
Link to profile twitter: https://twitter.com/TUlfania


I missed something.
And more here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205197.msg53200502#msg53200502
What's worse @muratsink was involved in the sale of accounts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=897308


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: cheater detector on May 31, 2020, 08:02:42 AM
I just do quick search, these user is cheating

Telegram : @AngelsInspiring
EMail :  azisabdul756@gmail.com
EtherScan: https://etherscan.io/token/0xc3761eb917cd790b30dad99f6cc5b4ff93c4f9ea#comment-4669148904
Belance  : azisabdul756
Twitter : @ningsihdiah931
ETH Wallet :  0x3FAA2662B744eC33BBa107BdC2Fa6863f2EA672D

Telegram - @arwani112
EMail - sitikhotimatun3@gmail.com
EtherScan https://etherscan.io/token/0xc3761eb917cd790b30dad99f6cc5b4ff93c4f9ea#comment-4669182749
Belance  - sitikhotimatun3
Twitter - @ghiez_pvj
ETH Wallet - 0xc62ccE292485E3F70F9836e8Efc540FCea7992e6

So, all of his alt account from murat sink should be painted as well


Since ammadromadhon is connected to muratsink and if qory is connected to muratsink, qory should be painted too since he is attempting to cheat on [BOUNTY][NO KYC] Geoma DAO | Cares for the Future | Bounty pool w/ESCROW (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5223521.0)

Quote from: ammadromadhon
#Proof of Authentication
Telegram Username: @AngelsInspiring
Bitcointalk Username: ammadromadhon
Joined Newsletter? YES
archived (http://archive.vn/cHEyF)

Quote from: qory
#Proof of Authentication

Telegram Username: qory
Bitcointalk Username: @lerriniars
Joined Newsletter  YES
archived (https://archive.vn/O9EaH)


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: Little Mouse on May 31, 2020, 08:48:50 AM
User: muratsink erc 20 wallet id: 0xe18e2fe9Df99E89edbCf8C345776Ed351d0a444A archive: http://archive.is/0QUlZ#selection-779.9-819.33
0.003 Ether received from 0x4397Dc426bc734dc500F90c9C7A1d72B2B7fd0B1 (https://etherscan.io/tx/0x75f297c75de02df3dff1ab7da352cb8b19433ca2ed376fc267ef3f3ad60843e8)

User: randegibran erc 20 wallet id: 0xba2cbcf2ef87e02097ecf656ba88513cc3d9067a archive:  http://archive.is/heLsJ#selection-1691.9-1725.65
0.003 Ether received from 0x4397Dc426bc734dc500F90c9C7A1d72B2B7fd0B1 (https://etherscan.io/tx/0x1b84f4fadb314673ec62447d389b0cc0dcea28c673fde313b8ebd5b78db38b8f)

So these two accounts are 100% alter.

Note: qory, muratsink  and randegibran  all are/were active users on Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian).
Sending ETH to other doesn't always mean they are alt. They can also be friend, or from same community or even they can exchange gas fee. It's better to accuse someone as alt only once you get they used same ETH address, or same social media etc.


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: pilosopotasyo on May 31, 2020, 10:35:48 AM

Sending ETH to other doesn't always mean they are alt. They can also be friend, or from same community or even they can exchange gas fee. It's better to accuse someone as alt only once you get they used same ETH address, or same social media etc.

I agree I have a friend who is very active in bounty and I trade my eth to his fiat since we are of the same country. does that make me his alt, I don't think so we have so many people doing this and it should not be based on this, it's unfair.


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: Bitcoinsummoner on May 31, 2020, 05:49:47 PM
I agree I have a friend who is very active in bounty and I trade my eth to his fiat since we are of the same country. does that make me his alt, I don't think so we have so many people doing this and it should not be based on this, it's unfair.
Probably you have not other posts. I have not told alter base on only a single argument. Please read above comments too. There is no chance that they are not alter. They are obviously alter and they abuser merit system by trading merit or sending to another alt account.


Title: Re: Possible Alt account or Merit trading, let's discuss
Post by: khaled0111 on May 31, 2020, 06:09:15 PM
Sending ETH to other doesn't always mean they are alt. They can also be friend, or from same community or even they can exchange gas fee. It's better to accuse someone as alt only once you get they used same ETH address, or same social media etc.
there is nothing wrong with that and no one will be accused of cheating just because he sent coins to another member. There is nothing wrong even in having multiple accounts as long as you don't use them to cheat or to deceive others.
Also, it's not a solid proof to connect accounts but when combined with other evidences then there it may raise suspicions.
In this case, it's unlikely that they are just friends helping each other with gas fee : "too many coincidences to be just luck".