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Vietnam authorities are claiming to burst an online casino that used to handle bets worth $3 billion, and what’s surprising is despite getting such huge volumes the casino owner never felt the need to get his casino registered and operate legally.

Further he had deployed a very clever strategy where he had hired people to lure gamblers out, and then he used to pay those people fixed commissions for every deposits the gambler made through them.

Lastly I would request you’ll to wager only on reputed casinos, and check their history before you wager otherwise you may end up loosing your funds to fraudulent online casinos.

Sources:

https://calvinayre.com/2020/05/31/business/vietnam-biggest-ever-online-gambling-bust/

https://www.gamblingsites.com/online-casino/safe/ (Ignore those banners and links, but read those pointers)

When you start you never know if you will succeed or not and if you succeed and have millions in volumes it is sometimes too late...

I think that he didn't register casino because gambling is illegal in Vietnam:

https://www.expatbets.com/vietnam/casino/

A billion dollar bust and that too in a single illegal betting house, how many illegal casino are running around the world and looking at the figures at a single illegal casino, it might be the biggest market in the world.

The reason they got busted is clear from the article, they used to give credit by taking their properties as collateral and that is done through their hired workers and if you are doing these kind of large scale illegal activities and on top of that take collateral then you will end up getting busted.

As far as the article says, you are only allowed to use land-based casinos in Vietnam which means that even the most reputable online casinos aren't an option. A casino that wagers $3B is going to be considered a "reputed" one by most as it handles lots of money.. similar to the way people trust exchanges based on their total volume. Most people don't check a company's history before placing money and rather do it trusting other reviews and opinions, unfortunately.

$3 billion is obviously a massive amount and i can say that some legal casinos haven’t got this type of bets handling history. Sometime people don't hesitate to trust without thinking about company's legality when a large amount of gamblers use a particular platform and face no issues. We can call that extreme popularity which influence gamblers to use the platform on a regular basis. Gambling isn’t allowed everywhere in the world and due to this reason gamblers always try to keep them activities hidden even from governments.

So in a situation like this they don't care about governments authorisation or legal papers actually where they love to follow platforms with much positive reviews. Still in many countries there is lots of online and offline casino exists which are quite popular but have no license.              

Holy shit! With all those massive profits and the owners never even bothered to operate legal for a lot much less fees?
Indeed, gamblers should open their eyes and be careful on which kind of casino they are dealing with.

thank you for the warning...
Gambling is no longer entertaining if you do it on an untrusted gambling site, I do not care about the number of user bonuses offered if the gambling site does not have a good history and reputation. security, calmness, and comfort when deposit fund on gambling site are my priorities.

This Online gambling looks like managed by a network that works underground. Vietnam is a country that is forbidden to its citizens to have activities in casinos.
From what I have read is that the Vietnamese has a single operator that allows them to place maximum daily bets of only VND1m (US $ 44).
From what I see that there is a great demand and to more restriction the clandestinity is born.

Was there anything preventing the guy from registering his casino? I mean, I'm pretty sure the agent idea they had would still be applicable even if registered. It was actually a good idea, having a concrete set of middle man that the casino controls. Plus, collaterals are also accepted which is a neat way imo. Yes, its understandable that Vietnam holds strict regulations with regards to casinos, but really, it's just the word "strict", not "banned". The government of Vietnam has strict regulations with regards to casinos but it can easily be done imo, especially one that has been running since 2018. Unless, that is, most of the casinos income actually comes from users below the age of 21, cause as far as I know, that's illegal in their country.

The reason that the owner did not register his business is that taxation is a pain for business person, imagine the profits if the business was legal, there will be a lot of paperwork and the taxes for businesses like this is so big that it intimidates people into going legal, I do not know much about taxation so take this as a grain of salt, but I do know that when your business is not registered then you will not need to pay your taxes, as for how you are going to launder the profits, there will be different ways but I think that is also the downfall of any illegal businesses, when authorities caught wind, they will chase it like a dog and bite back and never let go. In my opinion, most players of illegal casinos know that they are playing at an illegally operated one, people will turn a blind eye when it comes to their causes, and I do not think that the casino is being illegally operated will stop these people from gambling there, if you believe otherwise then why do you think they always caught these illegal casinos with people still playing?

I never knew that Casino business is not legal in Vietnam. However, there are some more reasons too in this case. They could save themselves too if they were smart enough.
Because it's illegal in Vietnam and you can not run Casino legally. Same here in my local and last year, so called Casino Emperor Somrat was busted for that.

Maybe that is because the casino owner thinks that his business is not in the real-life, so he doesn't need to register and make it legal. The casino owner will use every way to still run his casino without thinking about the government.

Choosing on the reputed casinos is the solution for us to play gambling so we can prevent fraudulent online casinos. We can get that casino from here by reading many good reviews from each member.

That's a dumb move by the casino owner, I think there was something fishy going on in the casino maybe they were distributing drugs to players to get them hooked more to the place or there was something worse was going on or why else would the casino owner not register the casino unless he is like a really stupid.

Yep, from various sources, gambling (generally) illegal there.
It doesn't make sense when they have so many revenues and didn't bother to get some license. The reason is simple, it's illegal.

Raking that profit in billions of dollars yet you can ask a permit or sort of special consideration to the government that you will be allowed to operate legally. As I have read about the ruling in Vietnam, it's illegal but there were some granted form which will be allowed them to operate.
They can settle it and negotiate with their local government so that they are not operating in shadows but, the owner didn't see that talks happen or did he tried to make it happen but to no avail.

As they said, gambling is not legal in Vietnam, that's probably the reason why they run that online gambling site illegally because even if they want to, they can't get licensed for it. Who would even run a gambling business without a license if it's legal in their country, especially if your business is earning a lot?

This is from an article last year where Vietnam arrested 380 Chinese nationals for operating illegal gambling.

Source:

I think the issue here is not about gambling without knowing if the site is authorized to do so. Because if you are a local citizen from Vietnam, you would know that it's illegal, but still they choose to gamble anyway. But if you are in a country where gambling and online casinos are legal, that's the time you should choose wisely where to gamble and to make sure that they are trustworthy.

An ordinary situation, especially in countries where there are too many prohibitions. As states ban the gambling activities, people are looking for more. And they can lose a lot of money in an uncontrolled casino. For this reason, I am always in favor of probation instead of prohibitions.

Especially if these places that are gambling with money are out of control, many problems like the above news can be encountered. I hope that the authorities can do the necessary prosecution in this regard and eliminate the suffering of the people whose money was stolen.

The GDP of Vietnam is 255 billion USD is 2019. It's very surprising that an unregistered casino handles bet volume worth 1.18% of the country's GDP. I can't imagine how much money is held by the registered casinos there? Is gambling a social issue in Vietnam?

It's very very surprising. It's very much possible that the Vietnamese authorities are faking the numbers to the international media. However, what's wrong is wrong. But the normal gamblers will have their money seized for an infinite time!

Yes very suprising such a small country running a huge underground casino on their phone app? But who knows if these numbers are correct or just inflated to get more puplicity.

And of course the money just seemed to disappear.


But wouldn't there huge number of negative reviews for the app when people are losing millions each months? Seems a bit fishy.

It's because gambling is illegal in Vietnam in the first place, that's why the operator continue despite the risk. And think that he can go and operate it, however, he was busted and all the money he had profited will not help him.


This is one strategy that operators have been using on for years. Or maybe he is colluding with authorities and paying them as well that's why it remain undetected.

If that is in US dollars,,, it is a hell of a lot of money. But Vietnam also accepts USD easily and have a lot of American tourists, right? So maybe this is all about an underground tourist industry where tourists place big bets with big odds. License means they have to pay tax and if you have 3 billion, even 1 percent is 30 million savings. Makes sense.

But they didn't think of a strategy that if they dont become a license gambling casino they would be eventually pay the price.
They must have thought that if they were to become legal they would have to pay 10-20% of taxes especially when some foreigners are gambling with Billions, it makes to not become legal.

I think it is not surprising.  Illegal activities are everywhere, it is that the culprit just chose Vietnam as their base. 


They thought of that but I think they just don't want to part with x% of the profit through taxes and experience headaches because of regulations.  Besides they can cater to illegal activities such as rigged platform since no one will check if their programs/gambling machines is cheating.

3 billion usd worth vietnam money is only hundred thousand something  , that was small for a casino / gambling but vietnam was not really a rich country i guess  ?  so maybe that amount was already huge on them   .

owning a license does also means that you gotta pay tax ? i think owning a license means that your casino was verified to be legit  but tax where a different story anymore  . the casino was also online and what if they are using a crypto  ?

"ONLY" hundred thousand? it's not only but look at the conversion.

https://i.imgur.com/HSWlhka.png (https://www.google.com/intl/en/googlefinance/disclaimer/)

That's a lot of money whether you're a Vietnamese or living somewhere on Earth. It's billions of dollars that has been in the figures and it's not a small for a casino, it's already a huge capital that they can start continually with their operations. And it doesn't matter if Vietnam is rich or not if it's just the figures.

You register, get a permit, becomes legit, pay tax. Whether they are accepting crypto or not, it's the license issue why they have been busted.

I think it is great that the Vietnamese government to have busted the outlaws running such business.It is good as indicated several times here by many threads that before you join a casino you do your own search first and come here to see what other people are saying about that specific casino you want to join.This will save you from putting your money in scammy businesses.

Vietnam is not the only country that has an illegal casino, because I am sure there are several other countries that have cases
concerning illegal casino. So cases like this have often happened in various countries, which makes me surprised not related to
illegal or legal. But a casino batch worth $ 3 billion, this is a huge amount for an illegal casino. Actually gamblers don't care
with the legality of the casino used, the most important is comfortable and reliable.

Asia has plenty of illegal casinos. If there are corrupt officials and police officers who will accept money from the casino owners, its obviously going to be fed by these rich casino businessmen. It would be okay for them to pay taxes when they become that big already like billions of dollars every day, they can buy just about anything with that amount and license wouldn't be an issue anymore.

I wonder how they managed to open this online casino. After all, it would be foolish to place the servers of your illegal casino in a place where the local police can find them.
No less interesting is what will actually happen with the confiscated funds.  :P

This isn't a movie where the authorities are always under the radar and monitor every activity you do, maybe in the US that is but it will be different in a lot of countries. I know these people doesn't just hand of links of their gambling site easily to several people they also screen them before giving them links for their secured websites, its their one way of making things quiet even though their operations are online.

How could the government just be aware of the existence of illegal casinos with bets of that big amount of the volume? of course the casino should be famous and many people know about it. Unless the casino is indeed hidden and only known by a limited circle. However, are you sure if there is not a single member of the government that does not know about this? Or is there a certain conspiracy until it is revealed?

And it is unfortunate why such a large casino is not legal. Maybe this is related to taxes that must be paid or indeed privacy. I don't know, what is clear in my country is that the casino has not been legalized yet.

That's an apparent mistake by the owner, just like what everybody else is saying in this topic. The moment he didn't legalize the casino, is the time where the owner lost already. He might have thought of the amount he can suffer due to the gambling operation taxes, but the owner never thought of the future and what he could do in the long run when he is already legal. It's a homegrown operation, but it did give a name for itself.

With $3 billions bets worth he made nice money! Now he will be arrested and sentenced few months in jail or house arrest, he will pay some official fines, he will bribe judge and police, and in 2-3 months he will open a new casino! It's how it goes!
I don't know about the laws in Vietnam, but they have some restrictions probably. Illegal casino can offer games you can't find in legal casino, you can have higher bets (without limits), which can be good for some gamblers who just get in and get out, without need to register or report their winnings and pay taxes for that!
People will always find a way to bend some rules! In the end rules exist to be broken ;)

This is not a small time online gambling casinos, even if online gambling casinos are illegal in their companies they managed to push through in those two years, I believe because they have powerful connections this is why they are not caught on all these two years, this is just a tip of the iceberg, we have seen how huge running an online gambling now and there are still underground online casinos which is not known here. 

if only they knew that their casino will grow big they will pay for the legalization of it but no they didnt know it and they only start with small budget  , thats the reason why them and many other more operates secretly  just to avoid many costs but as soon as they are earning good  , why not pay to make thier casino legal ? or he can also pay the charges that they dealt and start being good again with the money they have now .

Or maybe the operator/owner is a Politician itself,because it is very rare that they can operate that long without being caught of authorities?


Lol even you casino earn or not,you have obligation to seek permits and other legal documents before starting to operate,this is a obvious and intentional.

That's not should always be done though. If that always happens, then the people or the governing body, in that case, look like money. They are corrupt and no fair justice. But it seems the corruption is declining. Vietnam’s Corruption Perception Ranking Declines in 2018 (https://www.vietnam-briefing.com/news/vietnams-corruption-perception-ranking-declines-2018.html/) (2-year-old article though)

What kind of games are you talking about? Can you be more specific?

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https://www.vietnam-briefing.com/news/vietnams-corruption-perception-ranking-declines-2018.html/

If this had been an operation completely online it could have been very easy with the profits they were generating to register their casino in a jurisdiction that allowed gambling and become an official and legal casino, the problem is the article that is linked at the OP gives a very clear indication that this was not an exclusive online operation, and instead they were taking cash on Vietnam despite the fact that gambling is illegal there, so this is a very clear case of a bunch of people violating the law and getting caught by the police.

For example maybe it's forbidden to bet on cockfighting, but in illegal casinos you can watch fights, or they have it on TV and people watch and bet. Same like with dog fights and races, or any other kind or racing or fighting (maybe we can include here people fight to death, or I went too far?)... games that are forbidden by law, but people still do it! It's cruel but it exists.
I don't know about Vietnam specific, what is allowed there and what not. But for example I know some gambling games from the street, you can't find those games with cards, dices or some other kind of objects in any regular casinos!

You are correct. Online casinos are illegal in Vietnam. There are real casinos in Vietnam but the government here does not allow online casinos. There are many people got punished in jails because of their online gambling/ casino operations as well as their participation in online gambling.

There are some discussions and intention to build up laws for online gambling but it has still been stucked for years. I have not seen any lights that such laws will be finished in the near future.
As I wrote above, even if online casinos' owners want to do so, they still don't have chances to get a license legally for their online casinos in Vietnam.

If it's about gambling games from the street, you will find many gambling types which you can play with others. People will be creative to create a new gambling game based on the current situations so they can gamble their money, and hopefully, they can make money from that. I think it is happening in many countries which people play gambling games which can not be found in any regular casinos because people want to risk their money to get more money.

You know illegal casinos where you can bet on people fighting to death?   :o
Where have you seen that please?

Are you interested in that "Saint"-loup? See what I did there? Lol

Anyways, I only have seen kind of things in movies, not in real life. I bet it's the same where the richest group of people who pay people just to fight. Isn't fighting sports something like that? It's not like up to the death thing but it's close. Maybe there are parts of it in the deep web.

That's the most disgusting news about casino owner that I've ever known. He didn't even think about where are those money that he collected came from. Gamblers should be really mindful and aware about the online casinos that they are accessing to prevent those fraud casinos to continuously operate and fool people.

I'm really not a fan of gambling but if you're are not that good at looking for the best and good online casino, then you should not do it.
Always check the reputation of an online casino so that you know if it is legit or it is worth it to play there.

And also you should tell the authority if you know someone who are running a casino that is not legally registered.

Thank you but I was talking to iv4n. And I don't think it's your alt account since you replied to him...  ;D :D :D

Being part of the quoted post makes you part of the conversation as well. Better yet, you could specifically put "iv4n" on that question. You should've just deleted my quote on there and prevent this confusion. :o

Why it is so hot about the burst on the illegal casino in Vietnam? It is clearly that online casinos are illegal in the nation, for many years. There are plans to make them become a legal industry but it has never come closely to real law. The interesting fact is despite of many difference in laws and moral principles in Vietnam (or many Asian nations) and the Western nations, gambling are everywhere and locals keep gambling. Even they know their gambling activities are illegal, they keep gambling or operate gambling activities.

Governments know such activities, obviously, and there are corruptions locally. At the right time, such gambling holders will be caught and bring to law courts. It's a matter of time.

There are many sites, forums that advertise for gambling sites, and they have been still fine with laws.

Yup. This isn't new. A lot of this happens in many streets especially if those areas aren't being that much visited by the authorities. But they won't spent time hunting them down because bets there are not that much and they can't tax them because it's considered as a small time gambling place. But if they have a tip that a place is raking a lot of money, they'll start to act and pursue them.

That means there are land based casinos which are legal and you cannot run an virtual based online casino. But what i do not understand is how they are able to pin point and bust these online casino as you can run anything virtually if you could register and run the servers in a safe heaven.

By reading the article it says the operations were done through agents by giving credits in return of physical properties and that is bound for disaster but you could run an online casino without having any office in Vietnam and registering in other countries and that is the advantage of an online casino.

Then whats next?

They would surely bail out since they do have the money to do so and would continue on the same process all over again.
You are right, this isnt something new and this had just been a norm in most countries on where illegal acts are commonly happen
underground.If they havent been bust out then its understandable that someone is protecting from above which they do
know that they can milk it out.

This isnt something that should really be surprised on.

The local authorities will still ask the money for the security reason to the house so they can operate illegal gambling without any risk. I see that is happening not just in gambling but also in the discotheque, and that is like a mushroom everywhere. The security money is not too big, but it's enough to give "hot money" to the corrupt local authorities, and they will shut their mouth, pretending that everything is okay in their area.

This is how it goes on Vietnam, I wonder how much does it cost for the Casino to run in our Country. Here they legalize it but still, there are lots of illegal casinos running. especially in Capital City where most of them got busted by the authorities and most of the players are Chinese. Maybe they cannot run casinos in their own country because of huge payment that's why they came to us to play because the consequences if caught are just lightly deported back to their country.

That's why I'm so disappointed with the claws of our justice when it comes to foreign violators. The hardest they can do is to deport them, that's all. But on the other hand, once our fellow people did a crime in abroad (even sometimes only due to self defense), the final verdict is usually death sentence :(. *sigh

Anway, what I see right now is that POGOs and the Chinese people associated with it (not all of them, only the bad ones) are not helping our economy any longer. They just add on the stack of problems of our country :-\.

Yes but they won't be hunted because of that protection money. They're small and they know how much they can ask with that so there's no need to chase them for legal matters and separation. This is one of the realities that do happen probably not just in third world countries.
And that's the reason why there are movies that's being inspired with this kind of scene. Going to the burst, this will remind other casinos that they have to be registered.

Gamblers always find ways, they are so creative as long as there are other people who also wanted to gamble with them.
You can find lots of gambling activities outside the street.
Though even in a very strict countries this gamblers will continue to seek for ways to fill their urged into gambling, we mostly
seen that in a rural places and crowded areas.

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This gambling activities will continue, you burst one place expect that someone will replicate it and start a new one.

Nailed the point and I want to add few more things from my general observations. The people need to fill their personal gambling needs with this or another way no matter the law has forbidden it or it is legally accepted. In real practice, the gambling law preventative model shows its side effects such as the urge forces the punters to find alternative ways. Some underground casinos even hire the specific "professional" employee to shut down all electronics in case of police to seize the place.

Simple logic, the more restrictions get applied in this sector the more gamblers will attend the tournaments and other specific events. The casino owners are interested to make money with bypassing the government's casino or gambling restrictions rules but the interest grows towards the "no-entrance" places in practice.

The local authorities will not chase them, but only use them to add more "hot money" every month. As long as nothing bad happens in that place, everything will be okay, and the small casino in that place will continue their business while they still give that "hot money."

That movie gets their research by asking some people who play on that local casino and interviewing them so the director and the staff can start the movie. The movie shows reality about what happens in the third world, even in the big country, that happens too.

Yes, I agree with that. People can find a way to gamble, and they will not stop gambling in strict countries. If the local authorities catch them, the other people will search for another place to continue gamble.

Maybe the Owner/operator thought that Government wasn't aware of His large bets thats why he has not been alarmed of forced Himself to register for legalities .

He must be Smart and greedy but nothing is permanent and everything has an end,and now here comes the time and he will pay for everything he did.

actually those who entertained illegal casinos are surely part of the syndicate and they don't want to be taxed as well by the government.

I guess the demand for gambling casinos is that high on Vietnam since there are only a few casinos and only land-based casinos which are only a few are allowed to operate. That is also the reason why this illegal online casino app was able to gather a lot of users. I also doubt if they can even get a license to operate even with the amount of money they are earning since it is illegal in Vietnam.

That is why it is best to use a platform that is already trusted to lessen the risk of your funds getting lost if you are using an illicit gambling platform.

That is if you are going to gamble with a huge amount like the amount mentioned in the title, but if you are only going to play just for fun you are ok with gambling site with a good reputation even if it is not yet licensed, it's right logic that if you are depositing a very huge amount it's better to a gambling site that is compliant to the government.

In my opinion, they don't legally register casinos because they can hide illegal activities, possibly money laundering, trading illegal substances like drugs. $3 billion is a massive amount, this is very suspicious.
And I agree with you, we should check the casino reputation before placing bets to avoid unfortunate risks

   This money is is more than just a massive amount, I can't imagine that can be in some illegal casino. Where
did they find rich players, I wonder what kind of games they had and minimal bet in that casino? And I wonder for
how long they worked, how police didn't notice them?
   I am not sure how people who decided to gamble in this casino had fait that casino is provably fair? I would be
afraid to gamble in underground casino.

It is better to run anything legallly because owners won't get troubles with law regulation. With crypto and online crypto casinos, owners will have to be very flexible with fastly law regulation changes. There are costs and risks to run casinos legally or illegally. Running them illegally causes higher risks for owners but still owners get beneficial income, definitely. About risks, they have to think of risks carefully. Getting money and go in jails are not good endings.

Another thing is moral aspect in specific nations about gambling.
Provably fair is a technical term for blockchain-based casino industry. Nevertheless, I don't think all gamblers actually know and care about provably fair. What they want is place to gamble and satisfy their greediness. There are limited gamblers understand what is provably fair and know how to verify seeds to judge provably fair characteristic of casinos.  :D

Legality of casinos will be look into first for big bettors, I'm just surprise that one can risk that big amount of money knowing the casino is not legally operated. This favors the casino owners though since the casino is not registered, he will not pay taxes for it, but the risk is high as anytime the authorities can arrest the owners since they are known to be illegally operating, and that is regardless of the amount of bets they accepted.

Therefore if they like some business security, casino owners has to ensure that their casino complies with the law they need to give the fair share to the government in the form of taxes.

I believe Vietnam is really strict in their gambling rules thats why people are In need to play because of limited chances.


Vietnam is not corrupt and they are for justice and not for Profit or income,the rules must be implemented .

I see now I understand why they gathered that much in just an online casino. They will be back again if they don't face any charges with this act or permanently close their site. In Vietnam, Casino is banned at some point they don't allow the citizen to make their own version of it. unlike in other countries where they allow this kind of game, they can do as they please. they just need to pay the right tax to the government to get their license to run it.

This is another reason why I believe gambling should be legalized on places where there is a huge demand for such. Business operators and gamblers would always find a way to satisfy their needs, and oftentimes would resort into illegal things just to satiate their hunger to gamble and make money. Operators and investors know that there is money to be made, and since these ventures aren't wholly legal and tax isn't an issue, they would try their best to hide it and profit big from it. End result is that people make money and the government does not.

Would be nice for Vietnam to open a city and develop it as a gambling hotspot. The demand is there, the initiative and acceptance however, isn't.

Yes, we've said it that they won't be on the hunting list of the authorities because of what they give. Think of this, if it's happening in small local casinos that they think it can't generate that much money.
Then there's a bigger picture for this situation.

The concept of legality is quite plastic  ::)
I did not check the information in the primary sources, but knowing a lot of examples from my country I can say that many businesses can be declared illegal - you just need to find some kind of tax evasion (almost always there is one). In the case of online businesses, it is still more difficult. It is possible to register in many different jurisdictions and the authorities of the country (where the owner is from) can consider these registrations illegal for one reason or another.

For some who arent scared about legal issues then they would definitely go to this path since they would really have that in mind that they can easily pay-off some under-the-table transactions
just for their illegal business to continue without any problem.It will always vary on each country though since there are places which cant really be negotiate into this kind of manner.

When it comes to tax matters then we know on how big it is and thinking of that not all owners wont really be willing to pay up such amount so thats why they do hide out
theirselves and operate illegally and making profit most of it.

They do really exist but only a few been bust out and this is already part of the reality.

I strongly believe that gambling should be legal in every country but unfortunately it is not. Illegal things also make money for the government but it has to do more work by shutting them down and seizing assets.

That casino operator knew what he was getting into and did not regioster his operation because there was no other way to operate in Vietnam. Illegal things are usually in demand and this is a rule everywhere you go.

I'm sure he made a lot of money from it before he was shut down.

Pretty incredible that a casino of that size was able to operate under the radar for so long.

Even if he had a house of judge 1%, that means the guy successfully generated $30 million in profit without even raising a suspicion? The place more likely had a crazy high house edge too, given that it was already operating illegally, so something like 3% ($90m profit) is more likely (deducting operating costs).

Not really much of a difference between a licensed an unlicensed platform so long as they're using fair equipment and not rigging the games. But the government's gotta get its share of the revenue or its curtains!

Communist country so not that surprising, unless you are attached to the government or military with troops underneath you then you dont own anything; you may be allowed to exist but that is the exception.   Things we take for granted like private enterprise, profits and capital are crimes against the hierarchy in quite a few places.     Sadly not every part of the world recognises the benefit of allowing freedom and how it creates business.
   I would guess this casino was already paying certain officials just to get this far but eventually its taking money away from the official main government operation hence its gone, maybe the operator lapsed in their bribes for this month and received a lesson.
  I have an interest in some companies which have no choice but to allow 50% of the operation to held by government, means officials have their hands in every pocket and kinda reminds me of the mafia really.

Even if their government close the online gambling, that will not stop the other online gambling from starting their website to attract the other gamblers. Illegal online gambling or illegal local casino will operate in another place to avoid the government because they don't have a license to operate the gambling place. However, if the government can give the license to the local casino, I think it can be a solution for some gamblers not to hide their gambling activity. But the government needs to be strict with their rule, and they will punish the casino, which allows young people who come to that casino.

The police may have noticed the suspicious activities of the casino, but they wanted to find out more clearly about the incident to arrest all the leaders, I think. And of course, gambling in an underground, illegal and unreliable casino is quite risky, we don't know what will happen.

Hey also got greedy, I mean taking houses as a collateral is maybe good for profits, but doing this sorts of things puts you in the sight of the public and the government ... They should have kept their head down and continue a silent underground operation.

No problem bro, it was just a (very funny) joke.  :D
BTW do you know, or someone else, urls of casinos in the deep web ?
In my country we must report to the tax authorities every single account able to receive cryptos we open.  :(

You don't need to go to the deepweb to be safe, just use a VPN and use more trustworthy websites. Usually the taxmen will only go for the easiest targets, by using a VPN you are already ahead of most people.

Thats not how it works. You know there are anti-gambling organizations which attempt to gain political power just like other anti-establishment movements? Their work is racketeer casinos to pay them to keep their mouths shut or else they will smear them.

They will start to protest and cause anarchy if no listened to and hence government have to make a compromise. Just like Vietnam, gambling is illegal in many countries but they have learnt methods to make loopholes in the law and allow gambling in lieu of those loopholes.

One or two getting busted is not a big deal. There are hundreds of them operating. Its just the tip of the iceberg. :)

Dont worry about him, they will be back after a year or so once they find everything settled. You just need to pay some bribes and get everything working again.

All such large illegal businesses operate under the control of corrupt officials. Apparently this casino had big patrons. And after this scandal happened, it’s not at all a fact that the casino will be completely closed - perhaps it will only change signboards and will come under the control of another group of corrupt officials.

Thank you for the advice Barnabe but do you know some free VPNs suitable for that purpose or at least very cheap ones please?

Its really incredible that it did really become so big without being bust up for a long time which we can presume out that there are people whom do protect such illegal casino.
They might be hiding from taxes but they do pay up the ones who do handle out to maintain up their operation without getting too much attention from the outside or in governments vicinity.
Its not really something new because illegal things do work on that way thats why they havent been caught for too long but this one had been burst up but there are still lots of them
havent been detected or found up yet.

That's what you called under the table. There's no doubt they have powerful connections to survive without being busted by the authorities for so long. More than likely, they spent a lot of grease money. And maybe, some are not happy anymore with what they are getting, so somebody spilled the beans to the authorities.

Connections from higher authorities are common in running illegal businesses in a country that's why they continue operating without getting busted. Since it's illegal in Vietnam and maybe even authorities want to gamble but since they can't, perhaps there is also a possibility that government authorities themselves are gambling there. We all know how can some of the higher officials work dirty for the sake of money.

If such huge earning casino can run in Vietnam for that long without getting caught, I bet there are also other casinos running aside from that. Also, it's not just about running away from taxes since others have already mentioned that it's illegal in Vietnam that's why they can't even get a license even if they want to.

No worries. It's an "okay" joke. Lol

I don't know, I'm not particularly participating in deep web stuff, especially relating to gambling. Anyways, the tax in your country might be hard to track in terms of how many holdings you have, etc? Isn't it? Or it's voluntary as well when it comes to that?

There are a lot of corrupt official behind this, they cannot operate a casinos that handle $3 billion worth of money and since they are making huge money they can pay corrupt officials to back them up, I also do not see this illegal gambling ends, once the operators are freed they will just change their name, but this time they will be more careful or add more officials to bribe.

This only proves how great the Vietnam government in tracking these Big fishes though that is a huge amount and took long before being Held as liabilities under their administration because how can these Big operators can run their business illegally without being detected?

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also same problem almost the whole Asian community that there are these kind of gambling operator that making Money without being traced and took a longer time before paying their mistakes.


and those corrupt official must be in Bars also together with this operators.

I'm no specialist, but I regularly use windscribe and had no problems until now. They have a free offer with 5gb of traffic included, but they used to have free offers for 20gb unlimited in time (no idea if they still do it).
Maybe other users here can advise you other options.

Used to? Therefore it means they've only had 3Billion in the past yet where is it now? Maybe they've given it back before they have closed. But do you have the link of proof that their gambling site spread across the whole world ending up scamming a lot of users? And if all the article stated was fact, why are there no user's in here posting a thread about such scam? I don't know vietnam but I think suppressing casinos and having high standards in online gambling organizations would simply urge vietnameses to operate underground.

Given that this is an online casino, they only need to change their jurisdiction and work on a "muddy" scheme of depositing/refunding a deposit. After that, the casino will continue to work and even honest officials will have little chance of catching these businessmen for violating local laws.

I have made this clear multiple times. Politicians need to seriously consider legalizing and regulating gambling. Due to the progress is technology, the world has become smaller. If gambling is banned in a particular country, you can easily catch a flight and travel to another country where it is not banned. Also, you can visit online gambling sites from countries where it is legal. In the end, the country where it is illegal will be losing valuable tax revenues.

Vietnam didn't banned nor prohibits any gambling activities, as they only follow sets of rules and regulations that is already written in their law. If you would search thoroughly, they are starting to accept betting as long as they register and meet the required capital per gambling activity. The news (if you really read) only indicates (arrested to be exact) illegal and unregistered online casino, and not the Vietnam gambling in general. Here's a quote of an article:

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Indeed that vietnam is recently focusing and taking an immediate action on those illegal and unregistered businesses (gambling) but I don't think big fishes is that enough for them to really control the vast illegal gamblers in their country, some uses online and virtual private networks despite the Vietnam's internet policies. Hence, I think they would need a much stronger bill/law if they would really want to be against gambling.

Prior to the pandemic process, such illegal betting gangs and illegal gambling gangs were operating, but they never had such serious turnover. With this news, I see that this pandemic process we have experienced has significantly increased the transaction volumes of such illegal gangs and many gamblers have not hesitated to choose this method. Yes, perhaps the amount we are talking about is not really a lot for the gambling industry, but it is still a sad thing that illegal gambling and betting games are being traded with such a high amount of money. As I see this kind of news, I understand that actually dependent gamblers like this have no fear of anything, so there was no need to close casinos and similar businesses. Although it is beneficial for everyone to have these businesses closed, unfortunately people who earn money to these illegal gambling gangs do not deserve such precautions and stay healthy in these conditions.

See.. this happens everywhere. Most probably, what happened here is that the officials were not happy with their cut and wanted an increase. However, the casino owner refused saying that he can't pay any more. The raid was a revenge attack on the casino owner, to instill fear in his mind. Now he might have increased to the new demands and at least for the next few months, the operations are going to be safe.

We can really presume that would always be the case and as said its banned nor prohibited and there would be no other options but to make it underground and of course
higher authorities would really always have the power and if not then those big investors would really be on the place and for them to run longer then they would need
to pay up, not with the tax but the money needed for them not to be bust out.We dont know on how this one had been busted, either its truly being detected or
someone just really spilled out some nasty info of this illegal casinos existence.

What canw e expect from Illegal Operator?

they surely Put Big amount of money Outside the Business to payroll government officials for safeties.

I don't know what happened because they are being exposed but i'm sure there os big fish behind this.

   I agree with all of you! To run illegal casino you need help from government! You can do it alone,
you need protection! For sure they pay for that protection, government officials, police, and many
others.
    Peter0425 if you cut off one hydra head, two more would grow back in it's place, it's what I think
it will happen.

They can legally run the casino if they're earning big. What I don't understand with these business operations from huge casinos is why they have to bribe if they can easily register and get permits from the government to continue their operations without any hassle.
Except those casinos that are operating in countries whereas it's illegal to run a casino.

The mere use of the word 'illegal' is only defined by governments. In the case outlined in the OP the players must have been harmed more than the platform. Imagine how many players would have lost money on that 'bust'. The government could have taxed the earnings of the casino and would have been better off long term. Instead they opted to be short sighted to seize the large sum of money, seize everything and force the casino to shut down. This is exactly why governments shouldn't be trusted.
I think this is a good example of why the robustness BTC can offer to players and platforms should not be underestimated.

I am sure they can do that easily, especially if they make big money from the casino. But each casino owner will have a different reason for making their casino legal or not because there still big casinos out there, but they don't get any license from the government. But if they can register their casino, I think that will work only for the formality in the government's eyes, so they don't try to ask for the "hot money."

Except with the reason of being prohibited to operate due to the permanent ruling of their government. What could be any possible reason that these owners can think of why they can't register and make their business legal?
It's more professional and they don't have to think of chase whenever the authorities goes visit and check them because they have legal papers to show if they are registered.

I agree, with an operation as large as this it is impossible to be under the radar, many powerful people knew about this illegal operation and they either turned a blind eye, they were bribed or they were part of the operation on the first place, what surprises me is why people with an ability to manage such a complex business decided to go through an illegal route to make money? They could have established a casino in a country in which this was legal or they could have created an online casino as well, why waste your talents in something that sooner or later will come crashing down?

An interesting point of view, but governments believe that if projects/businesses use public infrastructure and do not pay taxes, they steal. And I must say there is a sense in such an opinion. As for the consequences of closing this business, these are the inevitable consequences of justice. When a killer is sent to prison, a lot of people (his relatives, creditors, etc.) suffer in a similar way.

Is this because of the greed of casino owners who want to only get profit without having to pay taxes or other fees to the country? To be sure, if this is an illegal act, surely the Vietnamese government will take firm action against it. Destroying the online casino business that gives high stakes might be risky. However, if not, it can also be detrimental to many parties. including actually the gamblers themselves. And why is the casino just unfolding now? Is there any other parties that know about this previously and only silent because of something?

They can even survive if they give bribe to the police. Police and the law enforcement agencies are indirectly involved in illegal's activities and most of the criminals activities are backed by these people who were suppose to enforce the law but unfortunately get money and let the illegals' activities grow in the city. Unless you have a strict system to control these corrupt officials, you cannot control the crime.

While I understand the sentiment we cannot really choose which laws to follow, in this particular case the ones that were in the wrong were the owners of the illegal casino, and the players playing there probably knew of this and they still decided to play there and assume the risk of losing their money if this were to happen, if the owners of this casino wanted to make their operation legal then they should have tried to change the law before they established their casino and convince the government it was on their best interest to do so thanks to all the tax revenue they will generate, but that argument cannot be used after the fact to try to justify their actions now they have been busted.

As long as you are living in a society governed by a set of rules you are bound to follow the rules, the situation here is that they were crediting people who are not having money to gamble and pushing them to debt that cannot be sorted out and that is not an enviornment any government would want and may be that is the reason they were busted as things were getting out of hand if not they would have paid off everyone to sort these situation as it was a billion dollar business.

This is not even a reason to hate the government, you need to have regulation and the gamling house should not steal your money and for that you need to have a legal body to monitor everything, if you trust in fairness then you will not find it hard and paying off after getting caught is not always a great solution.

I think there can play a lot of factors. Such large-scale affairs, as a rule, never do without politics. Always someone gives permission to take bribes and close their eyes on a particular illegal activity.
And when someone becomes dissatisfied with their share, or a change of power occurs, we observe similar events that seem slightly unbelievable.

Maybe they still want to operate in the underground without paying more money to the government. Or they can register their casino legally, but they still pay some officers to help them. They need to give many documents to verification and validation, including all of their bank account, so the regulations are not checked their business because if one casino wants to register. That will not be good if the owner still wants to cover the other business. But we don't know what they will do so that we could guess only.

Because of a couple of reasons actually which are but not limited to:

1- Taxation: The casino operating legally has to pay a huge amount of fees and taxes to their local authorities and license providers and it is a common theory that you better run illegally and once caught you save enough by that time to pay them, I don't agree with such methodologies but that is a common reasoning.

2- Rules: When you run a casino legally there are various laws you need to follow which might be banning users from USA and other countries for example like a lot of crypto exchanges are forced to deny particular country members.

More reason why gamblers must be careful about the platform they gamble, doing a little research will definitely help not to give out your hard earned money to fraudsters. Believe me, many have been victim of this gambling casino before the police bursted them. For any gambling casino to think of ways in which they can extort gamblers means they are not reputable. Good that the police bursted them, probably for them to register the casino.

I agree players are the ones who actually suffer the most during any scam or government busting a particular platform but at the same time the players must use their due diligence and now just check the license of the gambling operator and instead verify it too.


Sounds good for everyone but that sets a bad example for everyone because no one would want to pay taxes and rather wait until they are caught and then pay some money and if they aren't caught they can continue their illegal practices.

I believe casinos should know that once they are big and earning healthy they should immediately try and get registered legally because there is no way you make millions and you will sneak under for life.

2 reasons i do saw on why they do operate illegally:

-Legal issues (gambling prohibited country)
-Tax evasion

These are reasons on why they do decide to have business underground.

I disagree with this kind of sentiment.Why? they wont really get that big if that place is rigging up everything or trying to take advantage of its players.This is just a

common casino business but the difference here is that they do operate illegally, not in the sense that they are also a not fair casino just because of license or legal issues.

People wont bother out on going to that place if they do find out that they've been losing in a suspicious manner.

You should be more responsible doing your research in order to avoid being victimized by this kind of illegal businesses. They are enjoying every money without any legal documents which can easily disappear.


Though the main fact here is this casino are operating illegally and manage to let gamblers to enjoy the platform without any problem from the gamblers end.


The owners think that they can continue without being busted, enjoying all the profits with such a long period of time, it's now on the hands of the government on how they'll going to use all those freeze funds.

Aside from that, since the casino was operating illegally, whether gamblers know it or not, they are still liable for gambling in that casino. And I doubt that all those who gamble in that casino had no idea that they were operating illegally, so probably they knew it yet still keep on gambling. So I can't say that all of their customers were just a victim since they are still responsible for what they are doing. Perhaps they knew that it is being protected by higher officials that they are also not afraid that the online casino will get busted.

^ It is totally different if you are gambling in a licensed casino than the unlicensed one. First, the unlicensed or illegal casino will always have a huge amount of giveaways and promotions even every week. Because they know that their clients will never win against them and the bonuses and promotions are only way to lure gamblers and got their interest to visit the site. The unlicensed casinos probably the owner can manipulate or be tampered the RNG, to make it pay out less to their clients. This is strictly prohibited to the licensed casino because the RNG was must be approved by the legitimate gaming authorities if your casino was registered and have licensed. Nevertheless, you can analyze now which better to use, the unlicensed or the licensed casino?

Of course, this was to happen sooner or later.
However, there are too many white spots in history, such large volumes are very often associated with money laundering from criminal activities, especially from drug trafficking.

Officials are often involved in such matters, even here, I am sure, could not have done without them, in the case of online.
The main question is what will happen to the players ’funds, I don’t think that the government will return the lost deposits back to the players, because the casino was not legal.

Surely there is some conspiracy behind, because it cannot be first go unnoticed where 3$ billion of bets were carried out from  so long. So their is involvement of top people in this case. And then when they were involved so there has to be the reason then it could be for drugs, money laundering, real estate etc. Hope the case reveals all such things if it has happened.

For sure there would be some tie ups to those people who are on top position which are involved into this kind of illegal operation of this casino.It is really impossible for these places

to be left unnoticed considering the amount involved is way too big.There are sure have protectors of this one but now it had been busted which i do suspect that someone part of that organization

do decide to leak out information. When it comes to revealing then i doubt that those infos would explode on because anything can really be hold up specially when money is already involved.

The problem with such cases is that they themselves can be fake.
Perhaps this exchange from some of them owned high posts in the police, and they decided to throw their partners by pocketing all or part of the profits for themselves.

They can easily organize a criminal case with confiscation. In addition, we cannot know exactly what the turnover of this casino was.
Perhaps far from the entire casino turnover was disclosed, and those who started this have already organized a new casino to continue their illegal activities.

Exactly, it is impossible to run such a large operation without the authorities knowing, it is true that governments can be really incompetent but with such a large operation they are bound to eventually know about it especially if powerful politicians played on that casino, as such it will be interesting to know if there was a recent shift in the political power in that area or if simply one of the two sides became too greedy and wanted all the money for themselves causing the other side to take some action.

In all probability what happened is that the officials became more greedy and asked the casino operators for a larger cut. But the latter refused and it resulted in all the raids and arrests. Now another set of drama will unfold. The casino owners are going to extract revenge and they would publicize the names of all those officials who were on their payroll. And once this happens, some of the smart guys will come up for negotiation, to make a deal between the two parties. We have seen all this many times before.

Since its been caught on illegal operation then its no brainer that government will confiscate all of those funds and theres nothing they can do anything about it but to accept.

In scenarios like these where we can really presume out that there are big people behind the curtains that have been protecting this place and since this do happen undeground

then not only illegal casino do happen in the place and we wouldnt know that there are also other illegal things in transaction below.

The money will be freeze for sure and undergo trials will take place, it will shows all the possibilities some corrupt officials might be dragged if ever that there's involvement behind. This huge amount of money that been operated might have go signal from higher ranks officials. though it's still needed to show evidence of involvement,  time will reveal whoever people involves aside from the operators itself.

This is a common thing in many countries. The involvement of unscrupulous state official in cases like this is very common due to various factor. Economy is the main reason. Not only about drug, money laundering, gambling and other illegal thing, but you can also find other small thing that are protected by their strength.

Although this is common knowledge, ordinary people cant do anything because they are the holders of power where you will be ignored when you want to report a crime. The most common thing in my opinion is that people can only know without being able to do something.

The big people will always be behind on that operation, whether on the casino site or the government side. Each group will try to force their will to others, and the group who have bigger power will get the illegal money. Sometimes the group from the government loses the chance because they don't have more people who have superior people who can push the illegal casino.


That may happen if the corrupt officials don't have a backup from people who have bigger power. It will need time to get that corrupt official, so the government can also arrest them with the money. But I believe that all things will pass by the time goes, and people who corrupt will get punishment for what they did.

actually this is happening around the world,even China has corrupt officials (though i don't know in North Korea)

this means unless the strict policies and concern people will participate in bringing them down i think it will
continue to progress and will gain more than the involve amount here.
I still believe that there are good eggs in the basket,yeah many are corrupt but some will still decide in favor of goodness.

So lets look in this thread when they still captured even how Big their funds is,proof that truth always prevail .

Even in my country, many of the illegal operations are owned by proxies of well known politicians. For example, one of the state ministers recently purchased a famous hospital in my area for around $30 million USD (it is not an illegal operation, and I quoted it just for giving an example). And in most cases, the issues arise when the politician loses his power, and still try to cling on to the business.

That is what we see in reality. I mean, the politicians will have their illegal business, and I think that is happening in many countries. We can not deny that because we even know that in many countries, some politicians corrupt still free from the law. Yes, they also have legal business besides the illegal, and they are smart enough to hide their illegal business from the others.

as long as there are Large amount of money at stake?this RedTape will never be stopped.

I have been living in this kind of government for so many years but Lucky that our president now hate this so much so there are being Held in Jail because of similar offenses.

But i have a Big respect to the authority that arresting their co uniformed personnel.

It is likely that to all this lies a division of power to one degree or another. Both options are not excluded. We don’t know what kind of money went through this casino.
After all, if it was money from drug dealers, it is possible that in this way the government carried out a shadow operation against drug trafficking in the country.

Such major events always have a double bottom.

There is a high likelihood you are right, most likely whoever was getting bribed to turn their eye away became greedy and asked for more money and when this was denied he went against the casino and its owners, what I do not understand is why anyone that had the money and the skill to run such a complex operation decided to do something illegal, they could as easily established a casino in a country where this activity was legal and make money without having to worry about getting caught by the police.

This is a common practice. Most of all I am shocked that the biggest crimes, especially financial ones, can never do without the participation of people in power. Moreover, the highest ranks.
The largest drug traffickers of all countries are always controlled by someone from the government, only then go the police who turn a blind eye to certain crimes. I believe that such things are a crime against humanity.

Therefore in choosing an online casino we must be careful and conscientious. Not only choose based on reviews and total volumes.
But we should also check the profile of the owner and company, if the legality is guaranteed it's even better. Online casinos fraud
incident it has often happened and not only in Vietnam, but throughout the world. Then increase our vigilance in choosing online
casinos.

lol reminds of packino in japan. its borderline stuff pretty funny points for money around corner

A certain gambling websites cannot operate properly if they do not have license or fulfilled the regulations and rules of the government. Every countries have different laws and regulations about online gambling so whenever we will try a new online gambling, we should make sure that it fulfilled all the requirements and it legal to operate in order for sure that our money are safe.
This kind of news are not unique anymore because in the past there are a lot of illegal gambling even if it is physical or online that are been raid and foreclosed by the government because it doesn't have papers to legally operate in their country.

That is right. That is hot money that many people, including officials from the corrupt government, want because if they can get that, that will become an additional income. I also give my biggest respect and salute if there is an honest official who will work for the people because it is very difficult to find that person.


For ordinary people, that will be the biggest crime, but for them, it's like a normal, and they will search for other sources to get that money. Yes, it is what happens in almost all countries, and almost all of the government against them, and they still try to chase them.

It is almost impossible to verify the owners of online casinos, unless they themselves come forward. In most cases, online casinos are registered in off-shore countries such as Cayman Islands and Turks and Caicos, whether it is not required to go through the KYC process. As a result, the owner remains completely anonymous, unless some individual or group busts that anonymity.

That must have hurt lots of investors. The issue of not being registered is also a problem since they are already getting huge amount of profits then they should have just think about getting their Online Casino registered in some way. Its quite true that it will be hard to register because some may not understand how they are doing that online Casino through Cryptocurrency but you should still register it in some way so your money wont be questioned in some way they find it sketchy.

This is something very interesting, I've come across statements of online casino fraud. Here what have happened is beyond human thinking. With online casinos everything is processed through the internet connectivity. On traditional casinos everything is transparent, upon the same it gains more trust than the online casinos.

Making this an opportunity a team has played good and earned big out of the gamblers who believed and had hope of earning something out of the casinos. It is always good to go with reputed casinos for secured gambling.

I doubt that they were interested in the registration problem. There are dark spots in this case. When an illegal casino has such a large turnover while it is located on the territory of a country whose laws prohibit their activities, this is often associated with other cash flows. After all, a casino with such large volumes was probably well known.
Perhaps an element of money laundering is involved here, this happens quite often.

Knowing how some Asian communities trust each other and build huge systems only based on trust, it wouldn't surprise me that the whole system was only financed by bets.

With such huge amount of money, it's not just simple bettors who financed this gambling casino, the chance that some big names
from the country's government or someone from local police who are in the underground of this business, there's no plan of registering
since the protectors are in charge maybe it's been detected coming from the behind, no noticed with so whoever that involved that's
the siege went thru without any interferes.

knowing that Vietnam created a project where cryptocurrency exchanges are a good big step but when the exchange starts showing scam actions and making Vietnam's reputation bad where the exchange makes many investors trapped because they can't withdraw assets owned by the user The exchange and if there is a cryptocurrency gambling place in Vietnam I will no longer trust it and as much as possible to avoid cryptocurrency transactions from Vietnam.

We cant say but in most cases its impossible for government wont able to detect out specially if this one comes really  too big or else they've been the ones who had been protecting this thing since from the start
because it wont really be that huge if it doesnt involve lots of people who do play into that illegal casino.

Neither one of those possible scenarios these illegal stuff will surely happen as long it is backed in someone who had a position above.They wont last that long if such protection isnt there.

We dont know if this place do really just trying to avoid tax or just trying to make money since gambling is banned into this country?

I haven't heard anything from Vietnam. But in Cambodia, this event resulted in the government coming up with a parliament bill on "commercial gaming management". As per the bill, the Cambodian locals will not be allowed to participate in gambling, and there are additional measures to prevent money laundering through gambling (in both Vietnam and Cambodia, almost all the casinos are owned by the Chinese, and the clientele is also from China).

For sure there's actions that will be taken place, if there's someone who can provide any information or updates
to whatever extent that being implement to those illegal facilitators of gambling business, it's really a big money
behind it, impossible that the exposures will not hit any news around this country.

In countries such as Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, the gambling industry is mostly owned by the Chinese nationals. In mainland China, gambling is banned. And therefore those who can't travel to Macau normally come to these nations to visit the casinos. It is a mutually beneficial relation, but there are some negatives as well. Growth in organized crime and money laundering are some of the negative side effects.

The most negative side effect of all this is that during such machinations the level of corruption in the country increases at the highest levels, which further spreads to other spheres of government.
Even developed countries face this, but in less developed countries it is a much more serious problem because these countries themselves are poor and the living standards of the population are low.

In the developing countries, there's more under the table than following the regulations. Some officials show that they are the law and don't have to go that far because they are scaring their subordinates and show how superior they are.
I think that process won't be changed if the officials are benefiting on it. That won't stop unless there's a higher official that want this to stop.

So, this is now one of the disadvantage of having an online casino. The safety of the gamblers on their deposits could be compromise. However, there could be some ways that these could be prevented. But in my case it would be good to join a good gambling platform that are establish. There is lesser chances that events like this could happen. At some point, the platform of an establish online gambling casino were being tested already by the users and it will be lesser to encounter errors in technical aspects.

I believe that the casino will give safety to the gamblers in their own way because they don't want to see their customers leave them sad. Choosing a good gambling platform will be one solution for the gamblers to feel safe from bad situations, and they can avoid the errors because we don't know when the error will happen. The good online gambling casino will pass the test to prove to the customer that they can be trusted.

Could that mean that most Asian countries, they are the majority owner of those casinos? I didn't know that they have that much casinos although in movies, I used to watch that they really are into gambling.
That's like the corruption that happens.

Asia is too big, and everything there is big, so does gambling industry. Macau is bigger than all other gambling cities, and they wager more money there then anywhere else in the world.
It's how it is when you have huge population and masses, everything that is done is done on a big scale. And of course where is money and people there's corruption, system exploitation, you name it, you can find whatever you want there, for money of course.

Isn't this  the  normal way scammers do?luring either gambler or investors and paying the people with small amount thinking that they already gather too much money?
exactly the point,i dont know why there are still victim these scammers when there are already existing gambling site that legit and standing for many years  now?
thanks for this ,will use as reference  and  spread  to  my friends  as well.

Macau is one of the most law-abiding territories in Asia. It is well known for its gambling industry, but organized crime and fixing is very rare. Most of the casinos are owned by well known companies. And perhaps that is the reason why many of the Chinese and other gamblers prefer less well known destinations such as Cambodia and Vietnam.

Yes and its part of reality and its really hard to avoid such stuffs as long theres big money that circulates then expect for these things to exist. There are places which are law-abiding and there are places
that do really had that illegal stuff.

When it comes to places that becomes big and generating billions then expect that someone is on top who've been protecting this one.It wont really be that huge if theres no one
behind the scene.

Corruption, fixed games etc. is always there.

After Las Vegas, Macau is the most visited place for gambling. If not mistaken even gambling constitute to 85% contribution in their economy. So it is all gambling and the tourist that comes to visit Macau. Also, people who cannot afford to travel Vegas, ensure that they do visit Macau to enjoy the gambling and nightlife out there. Since China and Macau are quite close by so people do visit on Friday night and then go back to China on Sunday.

Obviously Macau is one of the global hubs for gambling. But the problem with Macau is that the casinos can be very expensive and not everyone from mainland China can afford to go to these casinos and indulge in gambling. That's the reason why a lot of them look for more affordable destinations, such as Vietnam, Myanmar and Cambodia.

I haven't been to Macau but I know that they are the gambling hub and alike Las Vegas in Asia. Most of their customers there are foreigners and that's how the economy in that country relies mostly upon. I have a Chinese relative and what you are saying about being practical of them is true. If they have elsewhere to buy, to gamble or do anything with their money in a cheaper way, they'll go on that place and spend wisely their money for them to save and have discounts.

I am not sure how a casino can be cheap or costly, I mean we decide how much we want to bet when we visit a casino, right? So do they have high base bets or do they charge high service fees or something? I'm sorry but I haven't been to such casinos and I have no idea how to they operate but would like to know why some casinos are considered as cheap while some more royal and costly.

Maybe because I am gambling in online casinos mostly that is the reason I am not versed with how real casinos work and if they charge particular fees for giving you a table or if they charge some fees just to visit the casino.

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To my opinion Asia has very big and developed gambling industry. People who come there to gamble, like in Macau have great deal of money to play for. Big money is involved there and where is big money, there are big interests, especially from organized crime, it's no wonder. In places like that you should be very careful, otherwise you might get involved in not so very nice stuff.

This are the easy tricks for them to make money, because they show you such fantastic deals like giving good amount of credit and might be initially they will make you win as well and then once you start liking it then you will start losing the money . Also, young age people feel like it is so easy to win or make money form this sites and they would fall in such traps.

Thats it mate.Macau and even Philippines are encouraging gambling businesses to enter their country and invest on it.
Though because of many critics the Philippine government implements strict rules towards gambling.
In gambling world there are so many syndicated groups that runs on every casino.
Here there are kidnapping happening for those gamblers that cannot pay their loans and forcing their family to pay the debt.

One of the reasons for this is they evade taxes casinos pay million in taxes, so instead of paying the government they prefer to pay corrupt government officials and the police officials so they can evade arrest, their underground operations is hard to track because the authorities that supposed to catch them are the one protecting their casinos, it's their cash cow of course.

Philippines was trying to be stricter in gambling especially now that many are stay at home or no work that are looking for money, same with how strict they are now in eliminating drugs, in gambling they wanted only legal and registered gambling places exist. However, they can't still monitor those who are online since government technology maybe not sufficient yet to monitor and determined it as well some officials might be connected in those illegal, Vietnam moves can push more countries to close those illegal casino.

It's not just the taxes. There are gamblers who want to launder their dirty money through the casinos (in most cases, earned from narcotic trade and human trafficking). If they gamble through the legal casinos in Macau, then the money trail will be visible to the authorities and in the long term they will land in hot soup. These people want to gamble anonymously, so that the authorities can't trace back the dirty money.

That's true illegal gambling is where you can find bad guys who are very much into a lot of dirty activities, once you apprehend these guys, authorities will discover they are into a lot of dirty things like drugs human trafficking and money laundering, they are brave to do their things because they have money for protection, and they operate in a country where there is weak justice system.

Gamblers are people who are willing to take risky steps especially if huge amount of gains is in front of them. Some are cautious whether a site is trusted or not, while others do not really mind.
In this situation, Vietnam may have illegal casinos which may be brought by conflict with regulations of their nation. Maybe this casinos intends to not be affiliated with the government to prevent more problems.

There can be an internal reason why they've been running illegally. There might be a problem as they register because gambling isn't allowed for the locals. But for foreign visitors, they can gamble. It's about licensing and there's a big amount and tax that's involved on this matter.
And for the locals to continue themselves gambling, they don't care if it's a registered or not as long as it is running and they can gamble at their own will.

The gamblers you are talking about take risk until the first big win they are not paid, before the first serious problem with serious money.
The goal of gambling is to hit the big jackpot. Nothing worse when you manage to do it, but the casino refuses to pay. But if you have taken a risk, then you must be ready for it. Right?
Big money and politics are inseparable. I think someone from above did not have enough money and they decided to close the shop.

Well sometimes gambling is being influenced by the politicians. They were gamblers became known and turn out to become politician same as with druglords. Hence  these politicians always after the benefits from the gambler and therefore will be make sure to benefit out of it in exchange for the protection of small and big time illegal gambling activities in their jurisdiction. This is why corruption and other forms never stop because politicians were leading it though not all but some politicians.

I think it's not true because politics does not interfere in gambling, which usually interferes with local government, because as far as I know there are still some countries that use permits from the government to open gambling spots, while gambling in big cities like Los Angeles does not require participating government intervention because the city is already famous as the biggest gambling place in the world.

It would be getting good protection from top officials and due to which only such things could exist for so long and so much billions of dollars’ worth of bets was happening, else it would not have been possible to do it all alone. Money is something which even the officials get corrupt to accept bribe and fill their own pockets.

They don't even need to be corrupted, if some of the officials used the casino services they had something to lose in closing it.

I don't think so. Because if the gambling places become bigger, and many politicians play together in those gambling places, there will be many deals that will make on those places. And that means politics can interfere with gambling because sometimes if one person has a will and has a problem, he will come to one person and invite him to his favorite thing, including gambling. He will make that person win any time so that he can ask something to that person after that. That will happen in another place too because politics is so rude.

The politic can also interfere in gambling if the owner has a relationship with one of the people in the Parlement, and he will use that person to help him to open his business in that city. Everything can be used for politics as we know that politics can be everywhere.

These restrictions doesn't make any sense. Nowadays people can easily travel from one country to another. Ban on gambling is not very effective, because the gamblers can simply travel to another country and do their trade there. The only impact will be on the country which banned gambling, because they are going to lose tax revenue and job generation. Restrictive laws doesn't work anymore.

They need to work with this as they are losing opportunities, like what you said gambling industry is really making huge rally banning
them will only make them to move to the other place and start working again, if the government will allow them to facilitate and impose taxes it will gives more venue of funds that can be divert to create more projects for the people.

I will go further and sya that restrictions are generally a bad thing, you can't stop people from doing what they want to do. Example are prisons, they can't keep drugs out of prison, what we need to say more? Restrictions today are used by governments to oppose control, its how they control the ones who are doing something illegal, they take money for protection.
Today every organized crime is connected with government, in one way or another. Except restrictions, wars, and all other bullshit it would be better to educate people, but if they would educate people then they wouldn't be able to rule.

Obviously the drug trade is something that can't be legalized in most of the countries. But gambling is one of those things that can be legalized and regulated without causing an increase in the crime rate. Almost half of the countries around the world have already legalized it. Then I don't understand what prevents the remaining half to do the same.

The idea of of legalizing gambling is far better in terms of getting big taxes.

If the government who are still against this practice then still getting people who keeps involving themselves playing
illegally, its better to legalize and get the taxes than keep tracing them and use the authorities, budgets should be use in other
things instead of wasting it from arresting this illegal doers.

Obviously you miss the point, in the end both are businesses and both can be legal or illegal, depending on the government regulations. The point is that you cant stop people from doing what they like, it's not about you here and your opinion about drugs, it's about all the people and their wishes.
About increasing and decreasing criminal rates please read what happened in Portugal and Netherlands, two good examples! Educate yourself!

I think the owner will think about that, even if in their country the ban is applied, they can open their business in the other country which gambling is allowed. Or the owner can still run their business, but they will run in the underground, and they will be selective to invite the people to play on their site. We know that in some country which bans gambling, the owner still can run their business, and they can still make money from gambling.

Running business illegally on a country which do already ban or prohibit it would really be a suicide act by its owners but they wont really make such step if they wont consider
on paying out some under-the-table transactions or simply being protected by some of big officials on said country.Its hard to filter out real gamblers to those who are just
trying to investigate into illegal things or simply called intels or assets so in most cases for those illegal places doesnt have any connections will surely be bust up
earlier compared to those who had connections above.

Those who are not being protected by the high officials will serves as proof once being caught, they will be the sacrifices
in order to protect those illegals, most of the time this kind of underground illegal things that being
held are really protected by corrupt officials.

I think that is really happening in the country, which is ban gambling, and I think the owner of the casino can paying the corrupt police or people from the government, so they can free to run their business without worry. In many countries, there will be people who will corrupt and help the business illegal, but the government is trying to clean up that thing in every department to catch that corrupt person. So we might see that in the news or television, some people being caught by the police because they are corrupt.

Indeed. Corruption happens in many countries, and it's not just happening in the government, but it's also happening in any aspect of jobs. So it is not surprising if we see some corrupt officials from the government have back up for the gambling places, so the law can not touch those places. But I am sure that in the end, they can not always break the law, and there will be some honest officials who would chase them, and arrest them because of their fault.

The reason why illegal gambling flourish is they don't pay the taxes. When casinos don't pay taxes and don't have to follow the guidelines, it would generate more profit and mostly provide better returns to gamblers. Many of the countries have strict gambling regulations and they take a good chunk of profit as taxes.

That's true, there's a lot of POGOs around here in our country run by Chinese and they're not paying taxes. If those gambling establishments here are paying taxes then maybe we already paid our debts to international banks. The government is good at closing establishments who have a good purpose and having a public service but a POGO can't even stop operating here. Illegal gambling businesses always has cases like money laundering and problematic gambling so I hope they prohibit it.

Yes, that is the reason. Their profit becomes bigger from month by month while they don't need to pay the taxes. That will be their benefit to collecting more profits from the gamblers because they don't have to add more expenses to their report. Maybe that is why the reason for the illegal gambling place is hiding from the government, and they can still run their business without worry from the government.

From the amount saved in in taxes some amount will be going in bribes etc. So, rest I think they save a lot of money and thus it is benefitted to operate illegally. But the risk if it gets bursts then it is gone and exactly that is what has happened here as well. Now it’s over for them and face the law and go in prison.

Sorry, but what does a POGO mean?

They will continue seeking there's money that the government can get from this illegal doers.

$3Billion is a huge amount and can do good projects once the confiscated money being redirect to government funds.

Government of this country needs to continue and find more and get a good amount of rewards
coming from this illegal gaming operators.

That's always the case for illegal operation of casinos, they can bribe the arresting officer and its higher officials so that they will be spared. But that will also create an idea that those officers will just do the same thing of the raid and they will know what they are asking for the 2nd time around. This kind of system sucks and it's really happening in different parts of the world not just in casino industry and businesses but mostly for the major businesses if there's corruption in the system.

Even in those countries where gambling is legal, you can find illegal and unlicensed casinos. Because the government rules make it mandatory for the casinos to perform the KYC process on their clients. Now the criminals and tax evaders can't go to these casinos, as the dirty money may get traced back to them. Under such circumstances, they will prefer illegal casinos.

Here is definition of POGO:

"Philippine Offshore Gaming Operators or POGOs are online gambling firms that operate in the Philippines but cater to customers outside the country. To operate legally they must be licensed by the Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation (PAGCOR). "

Sadly there are lots of illegal gaming operators in Metro Manila and are operating in private residences all cramped into something that looks like a small computer shop or internet cafe. And they do that so they will not be obliged to pay the taxes and fees set by the government. Aside from issues with Tax evasion, there are other things that happens like increased prostitution near the illegal sites. Human trafficking of Chinese workers who work on these illegal establishments, also local corruption possibly in the barangay (smallest unit of territory inside a city or a town) or town/city level. I do not have evidence of course, so you we can dismiss this first as "hearsay" or "rumor".

I am sure it does. The government will not let them run away with that money because if the government can get that money, they can have more income to solve the economic problem. I am sure that there are many other illegal gaming operators out there that still operate without paying the taxes, and that will be a difficult job for the government to find them.


Unfortunately, that system still survives in this era, and we don't know when it can end until we have a clean government in all countries. But I am afraid that the system can not be eliminated as long as the government officials don't have responsibilities with their job. Having a casino is okay in the country, which allows gambling, but the problem will the individuals in the government who control the taxes.


The casino can hide its operations underground without any of the people from the government know. Even if the officials from the government know about them, the casino owner will shut their mouths by giving them many gifts until they don't chase them, and they can back up their business. There will be many other illegal casinos that will operate in the future, and especially they can use crypto to gamble.

This is the problem with illegal casinos as they can pay fixed commissions to the people that they hired to lure the gamblers out but they
are avoiding the government taxes by not getting a permit to operate legally.

The casino owner must be earning such a huge amount of money right now because 3 billion usd is a huge amount of money even if the owner is only earning like
20-50% from it. But at the end, they still pay to their action as the authorities has made their move already.

Correct! they managed to operates and not paying anything.

But now, the government already catch them and even they earned huge amount of money, the chance
that it will be freeze as government can confiscate everything once being proven that the money is illegally
came from the illegal gambling business.

I am afraid that will not stop as the new illegal casino will launch soon after the government catches the casino before. This time, the illegal casino will not let bad things before will happen again, and maybe they will be selective to invite the gambler to come to their casino. They will make sure that the gambler is someone that they trust. This process will continue, and there is hard to stop that casino from operating their business.

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There are two things increasing pressure on illegal casinos at the moment. One is that due to the corona pandemic mass public gatherings are not allowed. So having a lot of people meeting in an underground casino would definitely attract suspicion, even if authorities aren't looking for illegal casinos in particular. It might just be a bad timing for such establisments at the moment. The second reason on the crack down of illegal casinos would be that the government is missing out on taxes. If $3 billions would be betted in a casino, that's a lot of money not reported to the government. Again due to the corona crisis a lot of governments are losing out on taxes and might search for other income which was usually not so important - i.e. the blackmarket.  In my opinion we should follow the social distancing rules and better stick to online casinos. It's much safer for everyone involved.

I agree with you, but I think it's enough provably fair system to play in such a casino. The presence of a license implies that someone issued it and that someone always has different requirements (often absurd) for playing games. I want to be more free and I do not need such intermediaries.

It's illegal so government needs to work on it not just because of taxes but also the facilitators are doing things
which is illegal according to law of that specific country, the jurisdictions have the power to implement the rules
and chased those illegal practitioners. Not a small amount of profits chasing more will be needed for the government.

This kind of thinking goes back hundreds of years to the days of marking and duty taxes on playing cards, just the simple act of risk on a game of cards has always been cash heavy and so provokes the interest of government who require the revenue of their people to continue in their ambitious spending programs.
   I'm not surprised by Vietnams actions, more the countries that ban gambling altogether when its so profitable to tax and allow freely.   It will always exist, just a question of run legally or via other means.  Even without the internet various groups will operate games.

Agree, illegal casinos will not stop because they will not repeat the same mistakes from others that have been caught. It's like illegal drugs, even the government made a huge movement to stop illegal drugs in their country, the process still continues. So obviously, the illegal casino will still exist as long as the government has many flaws, they will still remain in the shadows.

In fact, this is generally a very muddy question. What is considered illegal casino? If you are my friend and I play for money with you, is this a casino or not? But what if I have many friends and we love to gamble, then how many friends does the casino start with? These are very delicate questions and they rather relate to the sphere of relations between the state and citizens. The more totalitarian the state, the more there are restrictions and "permissions" that a citizen must obtain in order to interact with other citizens.

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Can't stop those type of gamblers who prefer to play more with physical casinos or online fiat casinos.

Since I knew crypto gambling sites I never played again with Fiat based casino even physically. But some especially old ones prefers the fiat based as they are more familiar with and even there are illegalities that may have in that casino if its run or played online some will not noticed it so its good if the government was able to determines those not registered and I legally operating physically or in online.

That's really existing, there are illegal gambling house where gamblers supports the activities.
They are not concern about anything as long as the sites pay them for their wins they will continue to use the sites,
it's really the government that's needs to step up and bring those sites to be closed, no need to wait for someone
to be scam by those illegal practitioners.

Most of the gambling sites do have multiple payment options, including cryptocurrency and fiat. If some of the users are not comfortable with cryptocurrency payments, then they can always use for payments using their bank accounts or credit cards. Only some of the gambling sites, which want to provide hundred percent anonymity for the users don't have any fiat payment options.

That's the problem, even the government is tolerating those illegal casinos because some higher officials owned those illegal casinos that are operating in the shadows. There are a lot of illegal casinos that exist today, we don't know it because even the police are covering it. It's the same issue with drugs, those who are against the drug lords are also drug lords. Even they implement a nationwide operation of destroying drugs, they can't because they're one of them. If the digital world has a lot of illegal casinos that doesn't have any permit to operation, what more in the actual?

Well, that's why most need to actually see it in person before being able to take action. It actually needs to be a big thing, so that the authorities have no choice but to move, whether they like it or not. It's a good thing that the internet is a thing today, this makes reporting such things and making a lot of people know about it a lot easier. Also, I doubt there's much to it to even compare irl and digital casinos, especially since digital ones are far easier to actually create and manage compared to physical ones, which makes having more of those have sense compared of illegal physical casinos.

Mostly, don't.
A fiat casino remains as a fiat casino and the payments that they are accepting are only for fiat basis, they don't have option for crypto.
But for some crypto casinos, they have the two options. As I say, it's not about paying crypto, it's about those gamblers who don't like it and prefer to stay traditionally.

The illegal gambling house still operates for a long time because many gamblers like their services and the gamblers recommend their friends to come to that place. The gambler only thinks about the gambling site is paying or not, and even if the legal gambling sites, and if the site has a long time to withdraw or have bad service, the gambler won't use it to playing gambling.

The government jobs to verify the gambling site are legal or illegal, but it will not be easy since they need to check one by one of those sites to find the illegal sites. That will be the same thing if they want to find the illegal casino in their country, and the government needs to search for many places that indicate to be used for playing gambling.

governments has a funds and who says they are gonna do it alone , they can always hire a people that will them find the illegal sites . this is not easy but this can make a change than government sits and does nothing during their term  .

in the meantime we gamblers can also help by not supporting those gambling place that we think a illegal. common lets not be lazy , i know we can if we will only seperate a little time for reading and researching .

Before getting engage into any type of casino whether online or casino establishment, better make sure that they are registered, legitimate and legally run so that your welfare is safe compared to those illegal that might end up running your money once they get what they want from you. Why would you settle for less when you can get into the best at the first place. Better do think of your welfare as well and do not just easily trust because of the reviews you see or the ratings about such casino. Do the thorough research yourself before placing a handful of money because once it have been inputted on an online casino, there is no clear assurance that there is turning back. The must thing to do is once you find out an illegal gambling place taking over or going operational, better avoid or get rid of it and warn other people to lessen the damage possible to be done by such illegal gambling houses.

Yes, I am sure the government has funds to hire people. The government needs to visit every place because sometimes, the gambling places will be at a secret place, which the government needs to search in many ways. We still at the pandemic, and I think the government has its main focus to prevent the new case, so I think perhaps, the government will try to get the details first, and then they will investigate later.

If we don't want to get a problem by playing illegal gambling, we don't have to go to that illegal gambling, whether it's an offline casino or online casino. We can try to play gambling at a legal casino, so we don't have to worry about breaking the law, but we still need to be careful to spend the money.

if that is the case then offline gambling places will not be free and for sure they will try to change the function to online gambling places because I am sure when the government starts looking for illegal gambling places they will definitely want to try to get and collect taxes from that gambling place so that the profits are made will be seen all.

There is no way to push gambling at their place.
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It is to think that the authorities never allow their people to go gambling without their permission and regulations. And that supposed to happen when someone runs any business illegally. They don't want to make their people got into trouble, addicted, and suffered losses into someone that has never paid taxes to the government. Well, if they run Casinos legally, there is no case like this to happen with them.

Not really. Because I am sure illegal offline gambling places will always be there. The illegal casino will slip around out from the government without the government's can find those places. The illegal casino is like a mafia, they can operate in any places without guessing, and only a few people know that.

But if the government caught the illegal casino, they will force the casino to become legal so that the government can watch their operations, and of course, the government can get taxes from them.

Illegal casinos mostly exist in places where gambling is banned. And in most cases, they have support from the corrupt officials and politicians. If they are caught, then the operators would go to jail and all the money and equipment will be seized and confiscated. In places where casinos are allowed to operate, it will be unusual to find the illegal ones operating.

Illegal casinos are not only in countries where gambling is legal, however in some countries that prohibit gambling,
usually there are illegal casino stands too. Because many mafias or corruptor like to run a gambling business,
because the circulation of money is very large, and also the profit generated is also very large. So what the Vietnamese
government did to illegal casinos, many also do by other countries.

The illegal casinos are too smart to smell from the officials' investigation, and they can always move to the new places to continue their business. They have a back up from the corrupt officials, which always tells them if there is an operation to chase the illegal casinos. But some illegal casinos already seized, and the owner gets jailed, but that is for formality only because in a short time, the owner will get free and the owner can rerunning the casino. But this time, they will get support from the corrupt officials because that is hot money for the officials.

we can always choose which payments to use,because gambling sites means business so they dont need to stick in single payment offering when they can have them all,so players will also confident to have any availability when dealing with gambling.
and also gamblers can use VPN to escape from being trace when they play,meaning option is indeed for everyone ,what is important is gambling operator will profit and gamblers will lose.

The more the payment options are included in gambling casino, it will be convenient for the gamblers to play with the currency / coin of their own choice. This applies for both the fait and crypto gambling sites.





In places where gambling is not banned, the illegal casinos also exists there. Sone of them are not registered and do not have the license, so these are also categorized as illegal casinos.

The problem with running an illegal casino is that it is not practical to bribe all the bureaucrats and politicians. Obviously they will have a few in their payroll, but the others will try to hurt the business. Sometimes the casino may be owned by politicians or other high ranking officials. Even in such cases, they will find themselves in trouble when the owner loses his power or influence.

Basically, the problem here is why there's a need to bribe and run an illegal casino? When they can follow jurisdictions and earn money legally? Casinos especially physical casinos are business with huge profits. That is because people needs to pay tons of fees and taxes. Plus most of the millionaires also spend huge portion of their fund just to experience the fun.

IMO, running an illegal gambling is just a waste of time just like casinos in Vietnam. They are just wasting the skills of developers in creating online casinos that should be used to build legal projects.

that is not correct,Illegal casinos are really making money for long time now because they are bribing people inside the government and sometimes they are the one who runs the Law.
specially in countries were the laws is not that strong and manipulated by millionaires.
and Casino owners are one of those Millionaires that runs the government and pays the people to keep silent.

and it has been in the system for long.and in all the country in the world,gambling illegally is indeed happening.

i think Vietnam is one of the most strict in gambling like Singapore so basically these kind of issue will always be on top of their target.

Nope that is not how rules must be,Those who had been caught as illegal must be banned from having a legal papers instead let other operators
open theirs so these bad operators will not have place in the business.

This is possible that not every bureaucrat would be accepting bribe and working but somehow the system is such that they would either get transfers or some pressure from the top when they act as an hindrance in between working for their business as it also involves influential people else this also things are very easy to get shut by police. Without involvement of any top people it cannot run for long.

Influences as we know it really play the big role when illegal activities are taking place.

Without any participations of a well known politicians this kind of illegal gaming won't last long, for sure they are big names
behind this that's why the owner able to manifest and generates huge amount of money before being busted.

I am not surprised if politicians or other officials own the casino because some want to grow their wealth by doing anything while they have power in the government. That is happening in many countries and places. They bribe officials who they know can help them to operate their business. The corrupt officials know how to take care of the business because they have other people who will protect those places.


That's right. It will happen like that as long as the officials are still corrupt, and the law will be hard to find. But not all officials corrupt because some officials will want to search for the corrupt officials.


The strict country will always try to search the illegal thing, and they will not give up to get that. Once they got one or two illegal things, they will give sanctions to them. But well, that will not stop illegal casinos running the business.

An illegal casino with such big revenue cannot operate without the blessing of government officials. I am sure a large sum of that revenue was being paid to higher people to keep them operational. Something might have gone wrong and these guys got busted. Corruption is everywhere and in a third world country it is rampant

Obviously some of the bureaucrats and the government officials will be involved in the operations. But the problem is that not all of the officials will be corrupt and also, not all of the corrupt officials will be in the payroll of the illegal business. So running an illegal casino is a risky proposition. It can get closed down and the owners prosecuted at any moment.

Meaning each time they need to gamble government want to take a piece of cake/this is much better so gambling will be closely regulated.

and this is a win win situation for government.

First gamblers may not lose too much money to gamble.

second gambling operators need to be watched and collected by tax each time.

When the owners and others who are involved in this illegal activity are interrogated, those corrupt official will not sleep peacefully in their bed. They gonna think that their names are being mention in the interrogation room. The moment the authority caught these guys, that's the moment they been waiting for. Because those people can name the corrupt officials who are involved in this activity and they can clean their goverment from making this guys pay from what they have done to the country. You can understand what I'm saying if you watch the Korean movie "Master" where they caught the mastermind of the biggest networking scam in their country and managed to get through the information of who are the officials involved in that networking scam.

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When an official accepts bribe on a regular basis, he is well aware that the law will catch up to him sooner or later. So he'll be prepared. A part of the proceedings will be sent to the tax heavens and the remainder will be invested in his own country under fictitious identities. Purchasing passports have become quite easy now. Nowadays you can get a citizenship in any of the Caribbean nations for as low as $100,000. After earning bribes for 3-4 years, the official can renounce his citizenship and flee to any of these islands. Since they usually don't have extradition treaties with anyone, it will be difficult for the authorities to get the official prosecuted.

The illegal casino has a corrupt official besides them that they can bribe to protect their places or give info if there will be an investigation from the other officials. That illegal casino has a large income from the gamblers who always visit their place because their place is safe from the investigation. It is normal to see that happen in many countries.

It is actually very hard to prevent if officials themselves are benefiting from these illegal activities, But we should not holistically judge the authorities as not all of them does the same thing, there are still great news coming concerning illegal casinos getting busted. Just like this news (https://nypost.com/2020/10/01/cops-bust-illegal-casino-spa-in-gun-packed-canadian-mansion/). Authorities in Canada shutter down a luxury mansion that is running an illegal casino and spa inside of it.

This is really surprising. Because I thought that all forms of gambling are legal in Canada. I am a big supporter of the system there, because recently they even legalized Marijuana. So what's the point in running an illegal casino, when they can easily obtain the license for the same? Now they have to pay huge fines and penalties for breaking the law and running the casino without a license.

I am sure the corrupt officials will be in many countries because it can not end. As long as they are greedy to chase more money instead of their income, the corrupt will be like that. There will still be honest officials who always try to do their best to catch the illegal casino and other things because they realize they must do that before the illegal things spread in all cities. If the honest officials can be like that, I am sure the illegal casino will worry, including the corrupt officials behind that illegal casino.

Illegal businesses can't run without political patronage. Because there will be competition between the businesses and one group will always try to take out the other (and vice versa). If you don't have any powerful people supporting you, then you won't be protected from the raids and the business will be closed down. This happens mostly in the developing nations, where large number politicians are corrupt.

Lol why need to bribe when they are already the authority?because most of them are run by officials or have family member that authority.

There are many cases here related to that,when the gambling place was raided then it comes out the owner is Big fish.

Another sets of group who are pro government will seek for judgement, paying the taxes and everything to run the business vs those illegal facilitator who run the business without paying their obligations.

Without any access to higher officials this business owners will not take that long to facilitate, for sure this people behind have someone's who are backing them up.

Some people get so greedy when they experience having power that's why it's really inevitable to have a clean government without any corruption happening. Like what you said, it's common in developing nation, and I can really say that even here in my country, you'll really see news having illegal activities such as gambling that is backed by government officials that's why they are brave to operate because they know someone is protecting them.

With high official involvement that is the only reason that such things can operate very much inspite being illegal. Also the gamblers would be VIP and high rollers I feel so due to which so much billions worth of bets were handled during their time. Seems somebody from them only would have tipped or got them busted.

When it comes to the illegal things, the owner will need support from the powerful corrupt officials to protect them from the other owner. The competition will be hard if the corrupt officials interfere with that business, and they will do everything to make sure the business is still running. This business will never stop if it can not catch the corrupt officials. It needs more attention from the honest officials to investigate and search for that illegal casino.

Some illegal casino that doesn't bond to that officials will bribe that person to get their support, which is not a secret. But maybe they will do the transaction by secretly without anyone knows. Sometimes, the illegal casino will belong to the corrupt officials, so they will get catch too if that place is raided.

Sometimes, those high officials can have a meeting to make a plan or expand their business. Besides the illegal casino, they will try to create new illegal things such as drug dealers.  Those people will give the best for the VIP, which has a lot of money because they can use big money for one round when they gamble. Sometimes, the casino gives a gift to them to make them satisfied with their services.