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Title: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: btc4peace on June 01, 2020, 03:43:21 PM
I created a petition to create a law to address the police brutality issue.

http://chng.it/bbcBp6bZS4

Please sign and share.  I do not use social media so I am relying on you.

Thank you in advance.

Yeshua


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: squatz1 on June 01, 2020, 04:03:09 PM
While I think this is a horrible action by Derrick, and it is was totally unjust for George Floyd to die. The only issue I see here is that I don't think there could've been any law on the books to stop what happened -- because everything that was done is already unjust and can already be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Another law on the book is just some paper with words on it -- if prosecutors don't use it against the police then it is nothing. We have laws (3rd Degree Murder) which can be used to stop this.

If a person was to have jumped on the officer and stopped this, I'm not sure on if a prosecutor would want to prosecute that -- OR -- if they'd be able to win. Obviously we don't want people attacking the police and stopping them from their work, but I do understand the sentiment on this one.


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: franky1 on June 01, 2020, 05:52:00 PM
while posting the website had issues. so couldnt read
anyway
standing on head or neck should be treated as assault and never be treated as police trained method.

we are in a technology age. heck even 150 years sherrifs had lasso's to tie people up. so zip tie someones feet if a cop fears someone resisting/running off.

guns should be replaced with tazers aswell


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: Quickseller on June 01, 2020, 08:16:03 PM
The riots are not justified. Pardoning or declining to prosecute those rioting would amount to treason as these people are trying to overthrow the government. Those that are rioting don’t care about what happened to that guy, they are using what happened as an opportunity to cause problems.


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: squatz1 on June 01, 2020, 10:09:18 PM
The riots are not justified. Pardoning or declining to prosecute those rioting would amount to treason as these people are trying to overthrow the government. Those that are rioting don’t care about what happened to that guy, they are using what happened as an opportunity to cause problems.

Totally not justified in the least. Imagine the devastation that is going to follow due to these riots for people that don't have insurance on their businesses, cars, homes, etc -- this is going to kill certain peoples financial situations. Even those that do have insurance, they're just going to have to pay higher premiums for the coming years because of this.

Rioting does nothing, protesting is what is important.

Though yet again -- the news is only going to show the rioting and the extremists here, they're not going to show much else because it isn't really newsworthy if people are sitting in a parking lot peacefully organizing against the death of George Floyd and are standing in solidarity with the protesters (peaceful ones) in Minneapolis.


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: Chrystora123 on June 01, 2020, 10:46:33 PM
The riots are not justified. Pardoning or declining to prosecute those rioting would amount to treason as these people are trying to overthrow the government. Those that are rioting don’t care about what happened to that guy, they are using what happened as an opportunity to cause problems.
this is my concern..  a group of people who actually do not care about George's death using the conditions to create riots..  I saw on the news, the shops around the demo location were looted, I asked myself Is that a form of solidarity to George??  I did not justify the actions of any group but the suspect was already punished and that was enough in my opinion..


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: YourNeko on June 02, 2020, 11:41:28 AM
It is despicable to say the least to see the injustice that was carried out by the MN police, however you can't expect a simple change.org petition to change shit, if every issue could just be addressed with public outcry then we'd be living in a flawless utopian society, unfortunately that just isn't the way the world works.


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: Spendulus on June 02, 2020, 12:13:13 PM
I created a petition to create a law to address the police brutality issue.

http://chng.it/bbcBp6bZS4

Please sign and share.  I do not use social media so I am relying on you.

Thank you in advance.

Yeshua
I don't see a reasonable chain of logic in the law you propose.

Crime A allows or assists in Crime B therefore all involved in Crime A should be charged with Crime B.

No...


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: KingScorpio on June 02, 2020, 12:19:27 PM
I created a petition to create a law to address the police brutality issue.

http://chng.it/bbcBp6bZS4

Please sign and share.  I do not use social media so I am relying on you.

Thank you in advance.

Yeshua

against it, cause police brutality is not that extreme in usa compared with tribal social law enforcment in africa, you democrats are just a bunch of reactionary racist idiot.

there was also till today no proof that the police is racist or that policeman was racist,

you want simply a weaker police so you can loot your neigbour or force him to self defend, and then kill him.



Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: 20kevin20 on June 02, 2020, 03:18:48 PM
this is my concern..  a group of people who actually do not care about George's death using the conditions to create riots..  I saw on the news, the shops around the demo location were looted, I asked myself Is that a form of solidarity to George??  I did not justify the actions of any group but the suspect was already punished and that was enough in my opinion..

I do not condone rioting and violence in any way, but you have to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. The anger comes from a chain of events, not solely from Floyd's death, and they're fueled even more by provocateurs.

The past few months have changed a very significant % of people's financial status and put them into quite bad situations so you have to see through their own eyes to know why all the violence is happening. If their economical status will stay this low for a few more weeks/months, the rioting will gradually become larger & larger..

These protests came at the perfect time to fuel the anger of those who have now been put in a bad financial position.


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: madnessteat on June 02, 2020, 03:58:37 PM
Protests have begun over Floyd's death, but the riots are a separate story that will bring huge losses.

There are already videos on the Internet that show some people handing out money for participating in pogroms.

Remember the man in black clothes with the umbrella who smashed the windows with a hammer.

The other day I saw a video from Los Angeles where protesters put up a human shield of white women with their hands up and throw stones at the police because of them.

In my opinion, it's all like controlled chaos.


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: BADecker on June 02, 2020, 09:19:18 PM
I created a petition to create a law to address the police brutality issue.

http://chng.it/bbcBp6bZS4

Please sign and share.  I do not use social media so I am relying on you.

Thank you in advance.

Yeshua

We don't need any more laws. Somebody can sit around all year and make millions of laws. To what end? There's laws up the ying-yang already.

What we need is law enforcement to the tune of "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, and life for life." Included is "property for property, and value for value."

If you damage my property, you survive under forced labor until you pay it off... unless you just won't work it off... then execution. We don't need you around.

We need judges who will hand down this kind of judgment.

Make the law to be one that judges hand down fair judgments, or they get stuck paying off the "property for property, and value for value."

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Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: squatz1 on June 03, 2020, 02:31:35 AM
this is my concern..  a group of people who actually do not care about George's death using the conditions to create riots..  I saw on the news, the shops around the demo location were looted, I asked myself Is that a form of solidarity to George??  I did not justify the actions of any group but the suspect was already punished and that was enough in my opinion..

I do not condone rioting and violence in any way, but you have to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. The anger comes from a chain of events, not solely from Floyd's death, and they're fueled even more by provocateurs.

The past few months have changed a very significant % of people's financial status and put them into quite bad situations so you have to see through their own eyes to know why all the violence is happening. If their economical status will stay this low for a few more weeks/months, the rioting will gradually become larger & larger..

These protests came at the perfect time to fuel the anger of those who have now been put in a bad financial position.

That's true. I've been talking to some people regarding the protests -- and some are like "I understand that they're angry, but the person who murdered him has been arrested and is awaiting a trial" But as you said, this isn't a single event and this isn't going to be the last event that is similar to this. Very important for people to note that this was just the boiling over point.

If people think this is crazy, imagine what is going to happen if jobs don't come back and the federal unemployment money dries out -- things are going to get BAD.


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: Mauser on June 03, 2020, 07:05:32 AM
I created a petition to create a law to address the police brutality issue.

http://chng.it/bbcBp6bZS4

Please sign and share.  I do not use social media so I am relying on you.

Thank you in advance.

Yeshua


As a non USA citizen I don't think I can be signing this. Even though I agree with you that people (not only police officers) who don't intervene should be held accountable, we should be working more on the fight against racism, than just throw all people in jail. People need to learn and understand, not rot in a cell all their life.  Let's not forget, these were individual people with their own beliefs, not all police offericers are racist.

And saying that the riots are justified in general is crazy - I am all for non violent protests. But whats the point in looting and burning down stores of people who had nothing to do with that crime, who might even be not white. As soon as the protests  start violent the police has to intervene. You can't be asking for people to follow the law and put murders in jail, but then not obeying and destroying lifelihoods of innocent people for your own personal gain. Having a new TV at home you robbed from a store doesn't bring back George Floyd.


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: KingScorpio on June 03, 2020, 02:02:32 PM
I created a petition to create a law to address the police brutality issue.

http://chng.it/bbcBp6bZS4

Please sign and share.  I do not use social media so I am relying on you.

Thank you in advance.

Yeshua

somebody should run a petition for more police bruatlity americans are mean people especially the colored ones did you saw that looting, did you saw raping? illegal border crossings?



Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: af_newbie on June 03, 2020, 04:55:57 PM
I would sign any petition to allocate funds to teach everyone how to interact with police.

Especially Black people need this form of education; hands up compliance; shut the fuck up, answer questions, don't talk back, don't touch them, don't resist, show them your empty hands.

And for Christ's sake be polite to police officers, they have guns, you dumb nut.

Black community leaders need to spend time in their communities to organize and teach their youngsters and adults alike how to comply
with orders given by the police.  If nothing will be done, we'll see more 'wrongful' deaths.

Stop hiding behind the racism facade.

What happened to GF is tragic, but he could have avoided it if he did not struggle in the car and got out on the other side.

You are handcuffed, they put you in the car, and you think about escaping with swarms of cops around you?  I think this guy was an imbecile or high, there is no other explanation.


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: BADecker on June 03, 2020, 05:14:09 PM
Just because Trump is calling Antifa a terrorist organization, doesn't really mean anything. Many people have shown us how government is the terrorist organization.

All that counts is who is stronger. Might doesn't necessarily make right. But might does make what exists.

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Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: Naida_BR on June 03, 2020, 05:59:11 PM
I created a petition to create a law to address the police brutality issue.

http://chng.it/bbcBp6bZS4

Please sign and share.  I do not use social media so I am relying on you.

Thank you in advance.

Yeshua

No Law is going to be changed after Floyd's Murder.
There will be a lot of protects and people are going to hate the police but in the end after some time everything is going to be forgotten.
We only need to educate our people in order to stop racism.


Title: Is George Floyd really dead?
Post by: BADecker on June 09, 2020, 12:04:50 AM
Is George Floyd really dead?


Is George Floyd really dead?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cCcVZ6iXEsA/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLCBFR09ODMoft2mX05F9iURZKEwog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCcVZ6iXEsA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCcVZ6iXEsA)


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Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: squatz1 on June 09, 2020, 09:39:15 PM
While I said earlier that I don't know if any one law would've changed this, I do want to start a discussion regarding the Democrat bill that was just unveiled that has the intention to fix issues like this before they come to this.

New thread starting over here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5254492.new#new- so I don't take away from the petition. Do come over if you want to chat about the reform bill and your ideas on the matter.

I would sign any petition to allocate funds to teach everyone how to interact with police.

Especially Black people need this form of education; hands up compliance; shut the fuck up, answer questions, don't talk back, don't touch them, don't resist, show them your empty hands.

And for Christ's sake be polite to police officers, they have guns, you dumb nut.

Black community leaders need to spend time in their communities to organize and teach their youngsters and adults alike how to comply
with orders given by the police.  If nothing will be done, we'll see more 'wrongful' deaths.

Stop hiding behind the racism facade.

What happened to GF is tragic, but he could have avoided it if he did not struggle in the car and got out on the other side.

You are handcuffed, they put you in the car, and you think about escaping with swarms of cops around you?  I think this guy was an imbecile or high, there is no other explanation.

I mean yes, in certain situations people do deal with the police in the wrong way -- but that's not to say there's no blame to lay on the officers. In all of the recent videos I've seen, the police have totally been in the wrong and have committed acts that aren't fitting to the job and are a complete overuse of force (for the record, I've only seen like 3 videos - Buffalo, Minneapolis, NYC)

But I shouldn't just respect you because I'm scared of you having a gun. That shouldn't even be apart of the equation.


Title: Re: Petition for George Floyd's Law
Post by: BADecker on June 10, 2020, 12:14:21 AM
^^^ And I am a bit scared of having no help when necessary, because nobody else has a gun.

Was Floyd's death faked?


PSYOP? George Floyd “death” was faked by crisis actors to engineer revolutionary riots, video authors say (https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-06-08-george-floyd-death-faked-crisis-actors-psyop.html)



Numerous videos are now surfacing that directly question the authenticity of the claimed “death” of George Floyd by Minneapolis police. Several trending videos appear to reveal striking inconsistencies in the official explanations behind the reported death of Floyd.

These videos appear to reinforce the idea that the George Floyd incident was, if not entirely falsified, most definitely planned and rigged in advance. It is already confirmed that the Obama Foundation was tweeting about George Floyd more than a week before he is claimed to have died. Obviously, since Barack Obama doesn’t own a time machine, the only way the Obama Foundation could have tweeted about George Floyd a week before his death is it the entire event was planned in advanced.

Note: We do not endorse every claim in each of the videos shown below, but we believe the public has the right to hear dissenting views that challenge the official narratives, and we believe public debate that incorporates views from all sides of a particular issue offers inherent merit for public discourse.

Numerous video authors are now spotting stunning inconsistencies in the viral videos that claim to show white cops murdering George Floyd in broad daylight. Without exception, these video authors, many of whom are black, believe:

-    at least one of the “police officers” was actually a hired crisis actor who has appeared in other staged events in recent years.
-    that the black man depicted in the viral videos is not, in fact, an individual named George Floyd.
-    that the responding medical personnel were not EMTs but were in fact mere crisis actors wearing police costumes.

Each of the video authors shown below reveals still images and video clips that they say support their claims.


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