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It seems developers don't know what they are doing, many of them that put blames on bounty hunters for price dump , they must be high on drugs or something, this is just simple arithmetic

A devs create a coin with 100 million supply

He decide to do IEO with 50 million coins of the supply

He decide to do IEO at the price of 0.1$

But to attract investors he introduce a discount of 0.05$

He was lucky to see many investors investing in the project even when he chooses not so good exchange

And price surge over 3.5$

Please tell me, how will investors hold the coins when they see gains that can take them years of holding to achieve???

Developers you are the main problem affecting your coins and tokens, bounty hunters only share up to 1% of your max supply, have some respect

This is true in some ways, OP. All these greedy CEO's, project starters are what's making the crypto industry look bad, and make people and corporations shy away from the technology.

Imagine if we have a good image and people don't think of scam when they hear altcoins/blockchain/crypto, etc. That is possible, there are major key players like Nestle for example that are lining up because the technology is massive (https://concordium.com/). We need to get the right people, the higher ones, to start the movement and adoption will go from there.

Developers aims is to attract millions of investors by all means, that's why they use attractive discounts, that's why I only trust projects that raised fund privately for their coins, it's hard seeing such projects lose value when trading starts, another one are projects that has NO ICO and No Premine, fundraising is now money making scheme for developers, nothing more.

Can you share what project is this? Im thinking its only script right for an example how developer works on IEO coins? Cause your pricing is very confusing, like you said the price is $0.10 per coin but the developer will give discount at $0.45 per coin how it become a huge discount? Maybe you are jumble it and the price is 0.45 and the discounted price is 0.1, I dont know if Im correct on my assumption but is it?

Whats the problem with the developer actually? I dont see the fuss here or issue. Next time make your statement clear when you start a topic thread.

Developers shouldn't put all the blame to bounty hunters, even they immediately sell off their rewards because they only received a small percentage of their total circulation supply. Developers should be put all the blame because they didn't make a precise plan to attract more investors, instead of using attractive discounts.

Most of the time the things about bounty and Prices are of concern of the marketing and Financial team than the developers. Anyway, the project team acts as one and should focus on creating a value for the token rather than making accusations against bounty participants for dumping the price as bounty token accounts for a small portion of the total supply.

Isn't that a good thing too?
If they are blaming bounty hunters then, they just don't really understand how the market works.

It's a signal that should get away from that kind of project.
It won't do you any good at all.
You can save yourself a dollar for not buying their token.

Hell yeah but even some developers were putting backdoor to make them able to unlock their pre-mined coin. I have seen some projects were using this kind of trick.

The dev will never hear you complain until you will talk with them all directly.

It seems you are a little wrong in understanding about the project, because I have seen a number of successful projects and even the token project is listed on the top exchange by not making ICO, premine and fundraising.

If they don't do an ICO, then they have enough money to develop the project. And that money comes from private investors and Per-sale. Those are really good projects and have potential for development in this market

That's right, and usually projects like that are rarely found in this forum, because the average project in this forum is a project that makes ICO and IEO to get a supply of funds from investors, because they do not have enough funds to develop projects in a further direction.

The truth is bounty hunters discourages investors from keeping or holding their coins. The price flow or the coin price direction might be affected by bounty hunter's dumping. Now that we are close to a huge bull run, scenario might change. Remember this if Bitcoin is going up. Alts goes up too.

What? You really think that history will repeat itself? That a new bullrun will begin soon? That's very hard to believe, Bitcoin hit 10k and dropped back with hours, that's not a real sign of bullrun, remember how many times Bitcoin tried to surge over 9700$ before dropping? It seems Bitcoin is not fit for any bullrun for now, maybe coming year I'm not sure

I don't think they need to always blame hunters for this  in the first place they know that hunters will sell their tokens once they get it.

And investors will sell also their tokens once they see that they are already in profit so they don't need to wait a little more longer while they can take the profit the time they see it. Its normal market reaction for traders every time they see opportunities  to take profit.

How can bounty hunters affect the value of tokens having their meager component on hand? It seems that someone is trying to shift their blame for the unsuccessful development of projects because of their incompetence on our shoulders. Not too reasonable policy.

We could hardly see new projects that have a fresh use case, I'm not surprised that new developers are trying to make bounty hunters look like the bad seed, new developers don't have anything new to offer, they create projects that are already available, same idea with different names, of course this type of projects will fail easily, whenever you see a project that get dumped it's because it's use case is bad

Unless they are awfully dumb the developers know very well what they are doing, it is obvious that they are to blame for the crash on the price of their coins when they offer such huge discounts, after all a whale that buys for half the price is basically doubling his money if he is able to sell at the initial ieo price, and who in his right mind is going to resist the chance of doubling their money almost immediately? So all the blame they put on bounty hunters is just to distract people from the real issue which is themselves.

Sad truth. It's high time they realise that investors dump tokens even more than bounty hunters. And also for a fact, the amount of token distributed to bounty hunters does not in any way have the power to affect the shift in token market value

I highly agree with the argument of OP.  It is the poor decision on the part of the developers that made their coins worthless or being dumped.  Aside from that, who is in the right mind that don't sell if we see a profit?  Of course, we all sell which in return causes the price to go down.  Simple logic but because DEVS wants scapegoat, the blame the bounty hunters.

It is not the bounty hunters fault, if they just paid this hunters with BTC or ETH and not their token, the issue of bounty rewards being dump, if it is really the issue, won't happen.

I know the project you are referring to, this is very sad but that is the reality of the bounty participants' stories. This will always be repeated, only a few legit and solid projects will respect the bounty participants.

Most times tokens holders are the ones that determine how far the token can go. It's so evident that trying to tweak it shows how weak the owners are.

Wait, why dev need to blame here?
I think developers are on the technical part or the one who doing such coding or much technical part of every project.
As I am also a developer (not cryptocurrency), we are not doing on the financial part, like deciding that involves money.
Those decisions should come from CEO/s or owner/s of the project. Unless the CEO/s or owner/s are also developers on the project which can also understandable.

When listed on the exchange, the price of coins does not reach the price at the time of sale, and investors hold their tokens, but bounty hunters sell all their coins regardless of price.

No one can blame bounty huntere because bounty hunters work for the rewards and when they receive the rewards after the campaign end it is their property and it is their own sole decision to hold or sell and they have equal right just like investors so even if hunters dump the price they cannot be blamed because they have done everything in a rightful manner.

well of course the bounty campaign participants only carry out the task and want to get what was promised because they sold their energy to promote their program so the developers should have to give full support as well by making the price stable when the participants get the prize.

Dev Team who blamed bounty hunters for falling prices was only a playing victim. They just don't want to be blamed for failing to make a good strategy. They only try to sell tokens or coins as much as possible to get the funds they want. Then throw away and just leave. So that the rotten plan was disguised, they made a scenario as if the bounty hunter made it worse. I am embarrassed by this. Can only surrender and accept this as a risk.

Devs are fully aware with that yet to know that they do hold up some specific amount of coins in the entire supply which means they can
still possibly sell off below the table and also those words that just blaming of bounty hunters are just part of their gimmick to know
that the main dumpers are its investors itself.If they dont like for their project to dump then they should go back and do learn on how
market works and of course rising and falling movements is normal.The important thing that they should be concerned about is on
how to maintain its demand because if they do fail then for sure they would really go to the floor.

When prices drop after listing, bounty hunters are always blamed for dumping charges even though sometimes bounty hunters have not received the promised token payment. I think the developer team should focus on the project being done and not on the price of the token in the market because investors will wait for the promised product to be successfully made and can be used as company income.

indeed, almost everyone blames bounty hunter for everything. but if we remember and compare the number of coins owned by bounty hunters with investors, it is impossible for bounty hunters to be able to weaken the price. but I also will not appoint or blame anyone for it.

i hope after this statement, no one else blames bounty hunters for everything.

I am so glad that there are more of you that can detect some of the scams associated with centralized tokens, tokens that are minted and given to the deployer, tokens that are ICOed and marketed in order to make the deployer rich quick.   I noticed that was a plague on the Ethereum token landscape but I love the idea of ERC20 tokens.  In 2018 I deployed the first pure mined ERC20 token, one that can be used as a competely neutral currency.  By reading the smart contract, you can verify that it is incorruptable, and every single token requires and always required Proof of Work using the SHA3 algorithm with automatic difficulty adjustment.  Since this ERC20 token works just like Bitcoin and was very inspired by Bitcoin, it is named 0xBTC or 0xBitcoin.   https://etherscan.io/address/0xb6ed7644c69416d67b522e20bc294a9a9b405b31#code

Its ofcourse the investors who holds up and owns big amount of coin probably be the reason for the dump and pump.I'ts obvious. So, i dunno why devs keeps on blaming bounty hunters while in fact they just small percentage of supply. But not only the investors. Devs and the team itself  owns a big amount, too. And that makes sense.

Me and my friends had a bad experiences on these developers they are locking and delaying the distribution that is ok but putting the blame about dumping is just not right, this has been going on for a very long time, I assume that the developers are also dumping their share secretly and putting the blame on bounty hunters so people will not see the developers dumping it

It's not but the correct thing should be the demand that will be determined how long the coin can go consider if there was no demand and the token holders can do nothing with their tokens.
If there's demand and it will still alive.

Bounty hunters are marketers who later will turn investors. I have personally held some altcoin I got from bounty, and even invest more on the project when I see how good the project is and that I got just small tokens from campaign. More so developers are suppose to give to hunters what won't have a bad impact on their market and it's the right of hunters to receive payment.

Blaming bounty hunters are just alibis to hide their incompetence because they don't accept the truth about the flaw of their own Tokenomics. but I think that the blame game is already irrelevant because many investors already know that. The project team cant use that alibis forever and it will vanish soon because of the ever-changing needs of the market and crypto investment needs.

True! However, a lot of devs are doing the opposite thing. They reward bounty hunters at a lower rate than usual and expect them to follow along with their project. Once the project can't hit its target, they turn to blame us all. Personally, I don't usually feel comfortable working with people who have a bad work ethic like that lol!

Bounty hunters shares only 1% of project max supply and half of the max supply goes to investors, if dumps do occur this shows that bounty hunters aren't responsible for the dumps, 1% of max total supply is not enough to drag down token price

Developers needs to start taking their project very seriously, it's one reason why I don't promote projects that give away too many coins, it means there will be huge dump and the coin will lose value, this is call mismanagement

It is not that they don't know what they are doing,actually they are expert on this thats why they can put blame to others while the truth is they already knew all of this from the very beginning.

They have Planned this long time ago so expected all the outcome but of course there must be something or someone to blame.

In this way legitimacy of their scam target is what people might see,and they can just run away without being pin pointed because Hunters is the one that makes sound guilty.

Now tell me,are the Dev really don't know things or it is You that need to make the thread just because of this "Simple Arithmetic".

I don't believe that devs don't know what they are doing, it's all a planned work right from the start, they have to put the blame on someone else, it's a part of their getaway plan, so they can atleast have some excuse if the unexpected happened

That happens much time, and we don't have to think about that. People already help them to promote their project in many ways, and in the end, they blame people because they dump their token in a second once the token gets the list. Well, that is not good for the project. After all, they can lose the opportunity to gain more people to support their project because they are blaming people who help them before. People out there will see who they are, and they will think twice to support them.

The problem is they didn't have a lot of skill to develop their projects they will be asking for the money while it can be done for free as long as people has enough skill to developer an innovative idea like satoshi did in the past.
It's very difficult to change this perspective.

Great points here,seems that Hunters has their defense attorney now here ,because all these years blames always goes to the Bounty hunters even if they have just received the payments after investors sold their tokens.

I think the best solution here?bounty hunters stop joining instead find their other way to make profits here in crypto because the Bounty Days are long gone now.

It's a big sign, any project that throws blame on bounty hunter means they don't know what they are doing, I advise to dump such project instantly and move to better one who can actually face any situation either good or bad

Well we can't avoid that kind of mindset.
Some devs might think of bounty hunters as some hungry people to feed because they didn't even invest any single quarter into their project aside from time that's why bounty hunters are the ones being blamed commonly in the first place unlike investors of the project itself.

when they can use hunter as a reason why not, it applies to devs who have bad projects and don't have definite development on their projects.
while good projects they will continue to focus and not blame any party for the failure / decline in their project performance.

Lame people blame people, if the team are pro thy don't have to blame anything for their failure, instead they will give in more effort to fix this up and that's what I called a good team, today new devs with no pro history build tokens and steal others whitepaper to complete their lame projects, it's always money here money there, we just need to me extra careful

Team are responsible for the value of their coin, if they give them away easily to attract investors the end result will be pretty bad, I expect many developers to have learned by now because we have so many examples of projects that took this unfavorable path in the past

Lol I'm happy that someone finally took out the time to address this issue the way it's meant to be.
I was seeing some topics on this lately. The op was asking whether we should blame the investors or the bounty hunters for a failed project.

I just don't see why we should be blaming the bounty hunters, because they have never done anything wrong by helping to push the project. When developers create a project, their reason for calling on bounty hunters is to help push that project and nothing else. People needs to understand that bounty hunters are not investors. They have done their part of the work and you can't tie them down forever and believing that will make your project to grow. Wrong.

Discount is a way of attracting potential investor especially with the present state of the market. Every developer are trying everything possible to attract investors. Blaming bounty hunters is a way of escaping from the wrath of investors in the case of price dumb.

This is what usually happens and they who got discounts are the one who normally sells to profit. The bounty hunters don't even get the tokens yet as their rewards while the price hits the sediment already so why blame the bounty hunters?  Blaming is easy and gets them off the hook with just a word of it when the fact is that these developers also are the ones dumping the first.

I have been saying this for quite sometime. The developers and the promoters need to show respect for bounty hunters. For just 0.5% or 1% of the total pool, the bounty hunters are doing the hard work to promote these projects. And if the project becomes a success, then the bounty hunter may receive $10 or $20 worth of tokens, while the promoters may each receive tokens worth millions of USD.

This scenario will succeed if the project is really good. The dev team should also determine the right marketing strategy. If indeed they are doubtful and difficult to form market trust, they should give another reward, for example in BTC or USDT. It could also compile a strategy by giving weekly rewards, even if it is still difficult, please do the payment in several stages, for example once a month, but it was informed from the beginning. So that the bounty hunter is not disappointed. Often, when a product is successful in a high-priced market, the bounty hunter is forgotten and there is drama, changes in payments begin, delays, rewards are locked, etc.

They have gotten big amounts of money and that's their responsibility to create cooperation with big exchange site or provide a good development when all of the things will be synched and then it will bring a lot of demand that will build the liquidity because this is the main aim for any project. The hunters are not something that must be blamed by the dev.

Thank you for this. The other day, l made a comment about transparency. You can't be mentioning millions when you know you didn't even raise 200k dollars. So it is with supply and so call private sell. Dev will hold back to a declare selling 50% at private sell.

I think that you are right and I think that they should always have respect for other and not put the blame into the bounty hunters and I think that they are the ones that is in fault and not those bounty hunters becsuse they are becoming greedy unlike those bounty hunters that is doing things in order for them to survive and sa earn money in cryptocurrencies and the devs are being disrespectful to them but bounty hunters are not doing anything because they are not that greedy unlike those devs and I think that they should open their eye  to the reality of cryptocurrencies

Or maybe they are only relying to bounty hunters to promote their projects which certainly not gonna work alone. They must make their own promotions in order to attract or why investors should consider investing in the project or else it would turn into a flop and the bounty hunter will take all the blame.

It is hard to influence devs on this crypto currency space.
And likewise, you cannot force decisions upon them.

This is why we have a choice to make our researches and invest in tokens we believe are worth while and worthy to invest.

You don't need to drool about a project, figure out if it works or move on

I don't think promotion with Bounty Hunter will be effective. marketing using other methods may be more effective, of course, must be adjusted to the market of the product to be released. until now I think bounty hunters will be very helpful in increasing daily trading volume when entering the market. large community with the small value I think it would be good to increase the daily trading of a new product in the market.

It seems that the calculation transparency makes it unreliable with so many naughty ones to make profits and give the bounty to the smallest part of the bounty hunter. cooperation is really needed and openness in managing the results obtained, but this never happened and all can be ascertained bounty hunter who remain disadvantaged. indeed a small portion plus fraud made so that what is obtained has no value anymore.

Not just a project, it's most of the projects out there. They give a lot of discounts during pre sales and allocate maybe 2% of supply, then they blame bounty hunters. I think they should better promote their project with BTC or ETH payment and observe the difference.

just think about how you would make the payment if you created your project? I think that you would not pay in BTC or ETH because you would spend this money on the development of the project and on the salary of your team

I believe that price movements, pumps and dumps depend of various complex factors and we cannot blame a single person or set of persons or particular community in case of price crash, actually when a coin lists on an exchange it is a free market and rule of supply and demand applies so if there are no or low number of buyers or low demand price is bound to drop and market will calculate and display the price of the coin according to buy sell balance.

I agreed with what you said because most of coin/token developer as usually after making money and ignore the fact that the need people who are excellent in the field of finance and wealth management in other to manage properly the through the initial offering and the maintain the price of their project when listed on an exchange.
In addition to, the second mistake new project dev does is not listing their project on good liquidity exchange.

This whole industry really need to change how hunters are being perceived because just like you explain in this topic, hunters aren't really responsible for dump of token price. A lot of factors contributes to token price reduction but the major reason is that investors and team often seems to dump their tokens for easy profit and end up pushing blames to otheres

The team has been getting a huge money and isn't something wrong for the team to pay use the native coin. When the price will remain stable and you should remember the team is also getting a huge premined coins too.

Investors and team are responsible for token dumps on exchanges, bad developers have no one to put the blame on than bounty hunters because that's the easiest escape, making bounty hunters look like the criminals and yet they seek for hunters to help them promote their useless tokens

Sometimes I really want to blame bounty hunters because we have too many bounty hunters who don't do research, sometimes research can let anyone down but not doing research at all will make you promote useless projects, with this point of mine we have bounty hunters to blame

Can you clarify which coin is this? If all of the things you said are true then really, how could dev and his team put the blame of 1% share of circulating supply? Also, the surge over 3.5$ kinda suspicious for IEO project after it going for sale like that. Maybe he wants to blame the bounty hunters because they sold during dev's pump and dump scheme to lure in buyers lol?

You just waste your time to blame those who are never trying to do any research before trying to promote the project. It's better to keep the focus on your task dude and I guess they will deal with what they deserved caused by they were not DYOR.

A scammer devs is good on blaming anyone, most particularly the bounty hunter, but they didn't realize when they blame the bounty hunters, it's the same as blaming themselves as they are the one who hire the bounty hunter to promote the project. 1% of the supply is very small if all the supply are sold, but if not, it will create a significant change on the price if it will be dump by the bounty hunters especially if investors have no interest on buying it.

As per personal experience, I have a participated in some bounty campaign in the past and although I like to see but I prefer not to dump it as I don't like to get a dust from my hard work promoting the project, I just hope that someday, the bull run will come back so even poor altcoins now might at least reach its ICO or IEO price.

Scammer devs are usually people who created a project out of nothing and they think that everyone should follow their train of thought about the token and everything will be fine. This is not a dictatorship and you are ruining all of decentralization process that bitcoin first created. If you create a token and think that there is a way how it could be awesome in the future but nobody listens to you, that is still your fault.

You have to consider every single possibility when creating a token, including and specially people not caring about what you think should be done. People will do whatever they can to make a profit, including destroying a coin as well because they do not care about your coin at all, they care about how much profit they could make from your token and that's it.

But that kind of dismissive attitude is what it is damaging those projects, even if bounty hunters did not invested any money into the project they are investing their time and their efforts and if it wasn't for them and all the attention that they bring to the project most people will never hear of those new coins, so they are fundamental for the success of the project and yet as soon as the price of the coin begins to go down the first thing the developers do is to blame them, when they know very well they do not have the coins necessary to influence the price of their project as much as they claim.