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Title: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: COVID-19 on June 17, 2020, 12:45:46 PM
I'll just leave that here:

Piercing the digital veil: Creepy AI tech can generate photo-realistic faces from extremely pixelated images

https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.06/article/5ee9e50c85f54011c728ec31.png
https://i.imgur.com/a9Nh9ij.gif
https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.06/original/5ee9e7bd85f54008fb65a85c.jpg

Source : https://www.rt.com/news/492091-ai-tech-undo-pixelation/


Title: Re: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: BADecker on June 17, 2020, 07:55:46 PM
Are any of those pictures the real before? I mean, you should have a picture of that person full scale. You should also have a shot in low resolution. Then you should compare the AI rendering with the real one. Is that what's being done?

Not good enough to use in court.

8)


Title: Re: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: squatz1 on June 18, 2020, 04:56:23 AM
Doubt.

This article from RT really doesn't have much there, and it doesn't really seem to be something that would be able to work anyway. How are we able to know if this is legitimate? They're the ones that are showing us pixelated photos and then showing us random pictures that correspond to it.

Literally just a new face generated. Not some weird way to grab peoples face from pixelated / grainy photos.


Title: Re: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: Vod on June 18, 2020, 05:35:59 AM
Doubt.

This article from RT really doesn't have much there, and it doesn't really seem to be something that would be able to work anyway. How are we able to know if this is legitimate? They're the ones that are showing us pixelated photos and then showing us random pictures that correspond to it.

Literally just a new face generated. Not some weird way to grab peoples face from pixelated / grainy photos.

It doesn't need to be a new face - using machine learning and big data, this is possible!  If you have the digital image of every face you are interested in (the entire country for example) the AI will learn from experience which processing to do on each pixel to produce sets of pixels that are recognizable - over and over.  At first it probably rejects 999,999,999 out of a billion generations that do not generate a recognizable image in their database, but as it learns the rejection goes down.  This is one of the solutions that will be helped by Quantum Computing.   


Title: Re: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: squatz1 on June 18, 2020, 12:36:37 PM
Doubt.

This article from RT really doesn't have much there, and it doesn't really seem to be something that would be able to work anyway. How are we able to know if this is legitimate? They're the ones that are showing us pixelated photos and then showing us random pictures that correspond to it.

Literally just a new face generated. Not some weird way to grab peoples face from pixelated / grainy photos.

It doesn't need to be a new face - using machine learning and big data, this is possible!  If you have the digital image of every face you are interested in (the entire country for example) the AI will learn from experience which processing to do on each pixel to produce sets of pixels that are recognizable - over and over.  At first it probably rejects 999,999,999 out of a billion generations that do not generate a recognizable image in their database, but as it learns the rejection goes down.  This is one of the solutions that will be helped by Quantum Computing.   

True on the Quantum Computing part, though thankfully we're not there yet (to the best of all of our knowledge) -- so we don't know how close we are to seeing this come to reality.

I meant more that at the time this was not possible. No way to audit if the pictures in this article / gifs in this article are legitimate.

But yeah, you're right on the Quantum Computnig side of things. Though when we're there we're going to have much larger issues then privacy.


Title: Re: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: Subbir on June 18, 2020, 12:56:17 PM
Quantum computers are operated illegally These aren't valid in many places because hackers can easily collect information through these computers so it's very easy to hack it isn't helpful to stay it confidential. In fact when it starts to be used many of us aren't ready to use it most are willing to figure to guard their privacy.


Title: Re: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: Alt Coiner on June 22, 2020, 08:21:01 AM
I'll just leave that here:

Source : https://www.rt.com/news/492091-ai-tech-undo-pixelation/

On a positive note, this technology could be used to identify potentially suspected criminals that are actually caught by surveillance cameras but aren't clear enough for them to be properly identified and investigated further.


Title: Re: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: BADecker on June 22, 2020, 11:55:18 PM
Somebody wants to be very private. They don't get any credit cards or loans of any kind. Their credit is at zero. Then, suddenly, some misfortune hits them, and they wished they could get a loan to tide them over. But they can't. No credit. They had strong privacy.

Somebody wants to be very private. SWAT does a no-knock raid on the wrong address... the private person's address. He didn't have any cameras posted to show what really happened. Good privacy.


If you aren't a healthy and tough prepper, living out in the wilds, don't be so private.

8)


Title: Re: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: 20kevin20 on June 23, 2020, 12:49:48 PM
That's just impossible to be accurate. The eyes are literally as accurate as a Minecraft head transformed into a real dude would be:

https://cravatar.eu/helmavatar/Steve/190.png

The very pixelated guy might have Asian or Hispanic characteristics and you'd have absolutely no idea. Hell, he might even be wearing a beanie and you'd mistake that for his hair. You can't make any kind of accurate face out of that, probably not even a face shape.

For less blurrier images of faces? Much higher chances for this to work. But with the first 2 media files RT gave, no way. The blurry pics from the third (last) media is a much more reaslistic scenario of accurate AI generation.



On a positive note, this technology could be used to identify potentially suspected criminals that are actually caught by surveillance cameras but aren't clear enough for them to be properly identified and investigated further.
Yeah. That is the happy scenario. But there are enough resources out there to find out that these kind of tools are permanently used against us for surveillance/control, whether we are criminals or not.


Title: Re: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: BADecker on June 23, 2020, 03:26:31 PM
But with Coronavirus tracking apps, it's more like, "One more nail in the coughin' of your privacy."

8)


Title: Re: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: madnessteat on June 23, 2020, 04:40:54 PM

I think I recognize this guy. I saw him at my kid's game.  ;D



And seriously, from one pixelized photo, you can get more than one thousand alleged original photos. I mean, it all depends on how exactly the pixelization was done.


Title: Re: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: BADecker on June 23, 2020, 09:17:25 PM

He was the umpire, wasn't he?     ;D


Title: Re: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: greenlanternlight01 on June 30, 2020, 12:22:26 PM
I'll just leave that here:

Piercing the digital veil: Creepy AI tech can generate photo-realistic faces from extremely pixelated images

https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.06/article/5ee9e50c85f54011c728ec31.png
https://i.imgur.com/a9Nh9ij.gif
https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.06/original/5ee9e7bd85f54008fb65a85c.jpg

Source : https://www.rt.com/news/492091-ai-tech-undo-pixelation/

Hmmm, pretty interesting. This concept of a technology can identify suspects caught by cctv and perhaps help on enhancing images.


Title: Re: One more nail in the coffin of your privacy...
Post by: COVID-19 on June 30, 2020, 02:01:49 PM
Your face, your voice, your fingerprints, your habits, locations, friends, people you talk to, things you are discussing, if you are stupid enough even your DNA (https://www.myheritage.com).
THEY have everything, and you think you have privacy.

Compare a blurred picture using the technique above to a database and get a hit it's a piece of cake.