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It has been some time, but correct me if I'm wrong doesn't it usually go like this BTC pumps then, LARGE CAPS, then MIDCAPS, then SMALL CAPS after that the MICRO CAPS then things like PRIVACY COINS will all pump. I am sure I am missing some here, but in 2017 that's how it played out in that order for the most part. The point is Hold your bitcoin till it's topped out then convert to large caps,ETH,BCH,LTC then midcaps, then small caps, micro caps this way you can make more bitcoin by compounding instead of just holding one or a few specific alts. So an example would be you buy a large cap like ETH it does a 2x you sell half and reinvest it into a mid cap, and let the other half ride for a potential 3,4,5,6x or whatever your target is. Then you do the same with the mid cap,small cap,micro cap this way you are compounding! I hope this post makes sense to most of you! if its confusing I am sorry I tried to explain it

Most of the time total crypto market bumps and dumps at the same time so we can't expect a bull run on mid cap coins after the peak poppud up on coin like bitcoin unlike in 2017 those things inversely for a while but after that all the movement were just proportional to the bitcoin but the risk likely depends on the coin not depends on the cap value.

Theres no such thing about orders of alt pumps, you might see some instances on how they do increase but doesnt mean that it is already fixed or somewhat do really have that order.
Also not all does have the capacity on investing into anything and pretty much sure that majority would be always eyeing out for bitcoin itself or in some top alts in the market but
if you can risk out on buying into that mid-micro cap that you have been talking then its your choice as long you do know the risk behind on buying these things.If you dont like
to lose up money on high chances then better ignore this kind of idea.

Nah, there's no such thing as order of pumps, LOL, if there is, then the market will be very predictable isn't it? And everyone will either get REKT or get RICH. It doesn't work that way because the market is open and free and every whales and traders can do everything with their coins from BTC to shitcoins.

I will agree with diversifying your portfolio, however, just be careful where to reinvest your capital specially those mid cap and small cap and micro cap that you are describing here. They are prone and most likely just to be use for pump and dump scheme and you might get trap and the only way to exit is to lose your money.

Bad advise, those small or mid cap that you are referring to are what we called shit coins, sorry to burst the bubble for you. We are already in 2020, and as crypto investors mature, I doubt that we can see the same enthusiasm with small cap coins. They have been exposed as just like that, no utility. And unless you join trading signals (which is not advisable as well), you won't time those coins to be bump by 3,4,5,6x or whatever growth they potentially have.

This scheme does not exist and you make yourself being eaten by a non sense theory. The market was moving on based on demand and supply. The whales will only pump a coin that they were thinking if that must be pumped. You can see that on the gainers and losers right now and the pump was random.

yes, nobody knows because when the green market coming almost good altcoins will growing and as i know there is no cap level
and i hope in the end of this year the bulls sign will show up

Things has changed, this market is not anymore as bullish as it was in the past, I'm talking about the overall market performance here.
AFAIR, in 2017 and earlier, when bitcoin pump altcoins will dump, and when bitcoin dump, altcoins will also pump, in short, altcoins has a good strength in the market, but now it's only following bitcoin and worst is they dumped a lot even with a small dump of bitcoin.

As we can see, the dominance rate of bitcoin has increased significantly, it never drop below 60% anymore, so it clearly send a message to us that it has controlled the market for I think 2 years already.

The long correction happened after the last bull run that made altcoins dumped 10 times or even more was also a big reason why investors confidence are getting low, so less confidence, less money going for altcoins.

I think time have changed and Most of those coins now have some kind of universal movements in you notice Once there is a pump is every coin except some slight difference then maybe if there is some fundamental attribute to that coin This is our first bull run in a long time so maybe things will eventually change We will just wait to see that

I don't think that there's a particular order for the pumps of alts classifying the number of their market caps. We both agree with your point about holding bitcoin. There's no other thing that's better than that and it should be the prioritized cryptocurrency that every person shall have.
From the trend that we've seen during the market bull run, it usually goes first for bitcoin, and then the alts shall have its own run next.

This is not true. There is no order of pumps for such microcap. Even its small, medium or large, anything is possible. The idea of marketcap has been varied eversince, perhaps its more convinxing that a low supply with potential concept can easily bloom in short period of time. Still, it will depend on the investors and token metric of that project. Ive noticed a lot of project that has low market cap that never pump but it should as potential for growing is huge. Basis of market volatility is always unpredictable.

Most probably you might be wrong here because I have seen those privacy oriented coins go riding along with bitcoins but definitely not to be last in this list and this time we are having another highly potential coin, grin. There were some occasions where markets may have worked like you mentioned or seemed it worked that way. So, if you do not have any other supportive argument for justifying this with respect to a whale investor, most people here will not be agreeing with you.

After making good profits (that also once in 4 years), big chances are for getting stuck into some altcoins if I follow as per your suggestion. Last time BTC peaked by November 2017 and ETH peaked by February 2018 but I did not notice about other coins and its time of ATH level happened. But, I am sure there cannot be one clear trend here.

Instead of these, I like to suggest people to investing all cap of coins simultaneously with equal or at their preferred percentage. At least this way, you will not miss any of good opportunity but definitely not for all of your capital. If you cover one category of coins with all your capital them you may get stuck with one and miss all other good opportunities. Diversification will never fail to help us.

OP was referring about his experience in 2017, or the trend in that particular year, so definitely it will not be the same this time around since bitcoin or the crypto market has had some significant changes already, the trend now is very different and it might also change in the long run.

There's a lot of factors that we should consider, we are in a moving market where crypto itself are viewed as risky assets, that is because these assets are very volatile and hence it's hard to predict and to expect that we already know the trend to follow.

Well, it's not 2017 anymore. It's 2020 already.
Then, stable coins existed.
Because of that, the new normal is selling bitcoin for Tether or whatever stable coins you prefer then back to bitcoin.
Do it over and over and you make profits with the right timing.

You will get used to that when you try to visit an exchange.  ;D

Crypto don't follow such of an order certainly. The way you are suggesting people to invest is a very wrong one. Because investing in small cap coin can turn your balance into a nut within couple of hours even because you know a big bag of dump can ruin the market. I would rather hold btc than investing various coin to accumulate more BTC.

We cannot go back to that.
It is a strategy that had been forgotten.

Altcoin up, bitcoin down and vice versa.
It does work before but suddenly when stable coins are created, trading had been overhauled.
As they say, it was the safest.
But I doubt that if suddenly this stable coins will just vanish which could happen overnight.

That is the generally accepted theory that money from cryptocurrencies will thus gradually spillover from larger to smaller ones. But you need to rely on a bull market that has to come again  ;). And now it doesn't look like bull market starts.   :D

Alts generally pump after bitcoin price rise mostly due to their buy orders being placed against bitcoin. Hence the value of altcoin increases against USD. But we are not seeing any more bull run like in 2016-17 where every listed coins would have impressive growth. There are some coins that occasionally make 10%+ growth in a single day without any effect to rest of the market.

I dont know where did you get the idea but this is not true. Winning profits does not based on marketcap. But its a good choice and option where to have a target market. For example your choice is a newly project averaging a marketcap of 5million usd. For that, the volume should be stable cause if not, the project will die. But chances to earn 10x is strong. Moderate or middle market cap is my favorite cause the level of chance to gain profit is strong.

the market is changing.. this may have worked as at 2017.. but theres no guarantee it  work this time around.. looking at the format of movement you've posted.. anyone doing this as at 2019 to this year.. is bound to make some huge losses

How did you come out with that idea have you tried that before, I will never sell my top coins just to invest on low volume coins, I will do it the other way around and that is selling my coins that did not deliver and buy top coins in the market, majority of bounty hunters are doing this, selling coins they received from bounty to buy top coins like Bitcoin and Ethereum

yes I agree the market has changed I am not saying to do this now!!! I’m saying when bitcoin tops out at 50k-300k whatever price it is and we have a true alt season this is the order things will pump. Could it be different next time yeah but money trickles down so largest to smallest is the most likely.

If you found the magic recipe to predict which coins are going to move higher then you would have make millions by now. I am in this market well before the entire shit storm of alt coins are in the market and i am still clueless how and when the market moves in either direction and if i knew anything i would have took advantage of that rather than holding the coins with patience. I would like to show you one solid proof of patterns as everything looks random to me.

the path that cryptocurrencies are taking Is the path of regulation, something already expected. But of course privacy coins will continue to exist, but don't expect to see a big pump in the price


in January 2018 the price of ETH in relation to bitcoin was more than 0.07 BTC and today the price of ETH in relation to bitcoin is less than 0.03 BTC. This shows how distant these altcoins are from reaching the high price they had in the past and is also a signal to be careful with altcoins. Making Hodl with bitcoin is the most recommended if the person does not know how to do day trade


talking is easy, but doing is more difficult

It's better to just face any coin you have perfectly studied how it behaves rather than looking for pump order of any coin. You can't really predict it. Sometimes it can be from low cap , sometimes medium cap and vice versa to top cap. Hold any coin you believe in for profit, take profit and don't be greedy then Wait to buy lower.

As far as I have seen, it's true that Bitcoin usually moves first, but I don't necessarily think it starts moving down the coin list based on market capitalization.

The main thing is the number of people waiting in the midst to buy the coin in question. The larger the coin, the bigger the amount of people waiting (usually), hence the more money that might potentially enter the market.

Small cap coins usually have few interested people, so unless there's a whale they probably wont change too fast.

If there is gap or certain time frame or certain pattern on pumping then I guess it would be more profitable for the traders who spot it and make use of it. But, unlike it sounds, it must be too hard for anyone to catch these pumps honestly. If you do not want to miss a pump then you must hold and wait; if you keep switching then definitely you will miss a good rally more easily.

I am just talking about my personal experiences. I am sure only long term holders are enjoying the big rallies of bitcoins and all other people are simply actively trading and booking profits and losses in cycle. There cannot be any definite results for them. This may happen to you if you try catching one category's pump by leaving from another category.

nice! there is an order? well you can try adding the defi projects in the order. just figure where you will insert it though because right now its what is going on. say good by to the ones very basic coins like the ERC tokens, MN or (D)POS because it looks like they are getting older regardless of their caps. they maybe out performed but you can't go wrong with BTC.

What happened between last year and this year 2020 already show that there is no definitive order in the crypto space. The changes can be sudden, drastic and it is never fixed. The order can change and what is being prepared can take a new and unexpected form. So, we should always be ready for that. Some expected that let's should have a pump, but nothing is such is happening, yet it will happen with some time more.

This scheme never exists and the whales are just pumping a coin that he thinks it has been getting a huge update to create the hype. There are no differences between native coin, big altcoins and small altcoins. OP needs to take a look at the reality

I remember the market going in this direction in 2017 where coins did actually pump after the other but the market was bullish then and nothing really seems to be dumping. It's been long this kind of a trend occur because we've been in bear for so long and while in bearish condition, every coin dumps all together with lesser pump tendencies

No problem, as long as you are able to maximize the strategy. Although there are some things that I don't think are right. In fact, there is no pump that can happen at any time, can be big or small, in no exact order. If you want to choose an easier way, when the ability in technical analysis is less qualified, we can maximize the fundamental analysis. Take advantage of the latest developments and current events that can attract market attention. That's more effective I think. Here are some upcoming list events and important developments that you can make considerations for alt pick.
https://i.postimg.cc/QdSc6KcN/upcoming-evetns.jpghttps://t.me/ico_analytic/1980

there are still many people who hope that 2017 pumps occur again in the future. we don't know whether to see it or not. but I am not sure that can happen. altcoin will increase when demand increases. and there are some updates from altcoins that are already planned for the rest of this year. we try to see what can happen.

It will happen if more people will engaged and invest more money, though there's no clear directions if that huge pumped
will show back.


Correct, demands will bring the huge rise, the more investors to buy and support the project the more chance that the coin
will pumped high.

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Those plan updates brings interest to investors and if more will start to put their money the higher chances of pumped to
take place.

Small and micro coins could pump without reasons at all. Im not sure that there could be the right order for pumps

Yes that's true I think people took my post too literally. I'm not talking about the normal day to day alt pumps. Im talking about 2017 style bitcoin peak then true alt season. I watched it play out like I stated here! is it an exact science no of course not I would be rich but if it happens again watch out for what I said! Is this investment advice no It's just what I noticed happen in 2017. Can it happen again? Im hoping so I was just trying to share what I noticed not act like I know it all because I don't. I hope it is helpful to some of you if not oh well I cant please everyone

This theory of your is totally wrong and if it is actually true, then the market moves will be very easy to predict. It might have happened in 2017 and it doesn't mean it will be like that always. Best you could do is hop in on carefully when coins with large market cap pumps. Those small caps or micro caps coins can be easily manipulated might cost a lot of loses.

I think there is no special order on this... the market will follow BTC (more than 65% influence on the market) like it happens every day... than the alts will pump, some more than others, some before others, but it that depends on many things... I don't see room for a special pre-defined order...
but that is just my oppinion
cheers

I think so, it's quite difficult to predict which coin that will be pumped and whales have its own criteria for a coin that will get a pump. The news can be considered as an important factor to determine the coin that will be pumped too.
The things that already explained by OP never happened.

They are just mere imagination. That is why if people ordinary make predictions, it does not happen that way.
Sometimes, they also study the movement of whales and yet they fail in their predictions. Even whales give their strategies trials if it is going to work.

Ordinary people can only make predictions in writing and even then too many are wrong, and that is also very reasonable because people are not gods who can see the future and can manage it well, because even experienced people can also make predictions wrong, because seeing things that haven't happened is very difficult and not easy.

Yes, OP's assumption must be an imagination but I wish if there could be some pattern on altcoin pumping then I am sure I will catch all of them easily. Unlike we do dream no market is working in an expected pattern. But, all the markets are working with a reason and if we are skilled enough to find those reasons out, then we can easily make more money with pumps more easily.

Moreover a same set of inverters will not be interested on set of marketcap coins/tokens. So, there are very less chances for what OP mentioned to be happening. Unlike we do imagine not all institutional fund management groups are working together because one group may trap another hence they do prefer working independent. So, altcoin pumps to happen on marketcap wise got very less chances. Still I am going to follow to find out any pattern like OP mentioned and for any other pattern if possible so that I may make some extra money ;).

Supposedly OP observation on the order of pumps last 2017 is correct, I do not think that the same order of pump will happen this year.  AS I believe, those orders are just a coincidence thus pump occurs in random especially in different projects or token.


It does not need investors to do a pump aside from those people who plan the pump.  Investors just flock in once the pump is executed due to hypes around the market.

I know what you are talking about and i also tell my friends to do this but to be honest when time comes no one knows and no one is able to follow it. There are different kind of people in the market so they will do what they think is the best and believe most people will keep hodling even after the next peak and let the price came down again and then they will be seen blaiming the market, it is funny but true. So people actually need to learn to take profit after big market move.

Altcoin pump is currently based on the fact that the dominance of Bitcoin is down, and the price of Bitcoin is expensive, if the price of Bitcoin is onfire then Altcoin is also getting better and recovery like 2018

Nowadays, the circle and pattern of pump and dump sometimes very surprising. there are no exact ways to come up with it. The caps may be influencing enough because it may also relate tot he supply and demand. However here, when the Bitcoin pumps, will be the altcoins dump again? When the Bitcoin is a dump, the altcoins will also dump again. When the BTC is stagnant or sideways, the altcoins will come up. Does this rule still influence?

About the altcoins pump, there may be influenced by the factors. However, as we see currently, many altcoins are dumping enough following the BTC. however, there are several coins that are different from others. they can pump significantly in some days. It is interesting.

Thank You finally someone gets what I am saying! :D

OP nailed it and everyone else is wrong. There is an order of how coins pump, flowing from bitcoin into alts. It played out in 2013, 2017, and now early 2021. What makes these idiots think it's a one time thing. Human emotion and greed will always be there, looking for the next bigger payout.

If this was accurate and regular then everybody would be following this order and everybody would be making profits but it doesn't work this way does it.
The pumps are randomized and follows no particular order although I have noticed many times that bitcoin pumps first and then the altcoins are pumped when bitcoin is topped out.
But what happens after that can never be predicted. Sometimes bitcoin pumps again and sometimes the altcoins dump while sometimes both bitcoin and altcoin dumps.
Anyway, it's good to have a strategy and follow whichever works the best for us.