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Didn't satoshi revealed any important credentials when he bought the bitcoin.org? Are there any links so I can read the whole story, because I had read somewhere that the place that he bought his domain, was an anonymous place (that was accepting bitcoins in the later years).

nope he didnt register it
anyone can buy domains anonymously

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probably the domain sales service might have a payment record of something like paypal/venmo or even a disposible debit card/virtual visa

How can you trust the service? Just because they say it?

You can buy domains anonymously but It is not recommended.

If ICANN (https://www.icann.org/) (Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) decides to contact the domain owner and finds out that either the person is fake or non-existent, they can do whatever they want with the domain and you won't have a say. (that includes taking away the domain too)

If the rules haven't been changed lately, that's how I remember it.

In the light of this information, I believe satoshi;

A-either used fake information,
B-somebody else's information or, (could be his relative, his friend etc)
C-his own identity while registering the domain.

These are the 3 possbilities.

Which one satoshi did choose I can't really make a guess but it is highly possible that he didn't go with C.

Bitcoin.org was never registered by Satoshi, it was registered by Sirius (Martti Malmi). They knew eachother from the cryptography mailing list. The domain was registered before the whitepaper was even published.

The domain was registered using  https://www.anonymousspeech.com  (https://www.anonymousspeech.com)
   

Yes, I have read same story years ago in online. But I forget exact source link where I read.

No, it's not necessary to revealed your real identify and your real name during domain registering. Actually, anyone can easily register a new domain anonymously. Some domain hosting services will ask for your real ID but some of them won't ask for any KYC and you can use some fake names in order to register a new domain and pay for the purchased goods by Bitcoins or any other crypto currency. So, no, it's not possible to know his real name using this method you are thinking of it.

So... It was "B" indeed. The smartest choice.

One way or another, I don't believe that satoshi is completely anonymous. Somebody somewhere knows who he really is.

This is my understanding of it as well. Satoshi never struck me as careless in this regard, he did want satoshi to be an entirely independent entity from his real identity. IF it was to protect himself or to bring closer the "satoshi can be anyone" message, I don't know, but I respect his wish for anonymity either way.

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But I will go with mindrust's (b), he could used somebody else information to register the domain. So from day one, he really knows how to protect this identify, adding another layer of mythology or fictional personal to the name "Satoshi Nakamoto" (him/her/group of people).

I basically use fake information. I mean fake name and address when I buy domain and pay using bitcoin but it's assumable at that time paying using card was the only choice.

So information mismatch in here.


Meaing Satoshi but I think we all know it was Sirius who bought it in the first place.

I did this before too but it doesn't mean this isn't dangerous.

Especially when you own a domain like bitcoin.org and everybody claims to be the real satoshi.

What do you think would happen if somebody reports your domain for theft to ICANN? Since you used fake information on the top of paying with btc, I bet it would be a mess.

But how do we know if it is the Satoshi we know that communicated with Sirius to register the domain? We didn't even know if Satoshi was a person or a group. I don't think Satoshi is/are really up for name guessing, they perfectly (for me) hid his/their identity. Or we have already spoke with Satoshi? Walked with Satoshi? It's not much of a deal at all to know his whereabouts, respect for this big brain man/ group behind this identity puzzle.

'maybe all of this are all made up' - nobody

Case for satoshi is obvious famous and very sensitive. If this was into a wrong hand then we would see the other guys would claim himself satoshi :-P Sirius seems to be a good guy, and he protected it.

If it was you and me and using fake info is not going to change much.

Even if Satoshi did reveal himself through that purchase, what next? I have always maintained that this search for Satoshi isn't relevant now. It won't add anything POSITIVE to the value of Bitcoin.  I am on of the opinion that part of the reason Bitcoin is on the high pedestal that it's is because of the mystery surrounding its creator.

Don't underestimate yourself that much. I know nobody would care about a shitty blog but you don't do that kind of shit when you are building a business on that domain unless you can afford to lose your business too. (i cannot)

Even though org means "organisation" you can't deny bitcoin.org has a business aspect as well. (I remember there was news tellin that Cobra was monetizing the .org domain) In the end almost every fucking time, it is about money.

I have one bitcoin project but I do not think it's much serious at the time. But if I see the project is coming up with a big user base then I think I will need to use the 2nd option you described. Basically I am paranoid when it comes to my privacy.

This is a good heads up. Do you happen to know why they would want to contact domain owners in the first place, and what they would tell them? And how often does that happen?

If someone has a medium-sized eshop with cryptocurrency as the only payment option, and they're not selling illegal stuff, is ICANN going to be interested in that domain?

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And also, what kind of actions do they take against domains?

Sometimes it is random.

When your website starts to take huge attention, the guys at ICANN might want to know whether you are real or not. That may especially happen if your website is dealing with delicate stuff like crypto (exchange, casino -> potential money launderer), porn (could be that you are transmitting CP knowingly or not knowingly)

Sometimes like I described above, somebody else may claim to be the real owner of the website. Then you'll have to prove that it is actually you who bought the domain.

Some domains don't even approve your ownership before you provide your real information first. ".uk" is one of them.

https://i.imgur.com/xM4zRrd.png

Some of them like .eu .es etc... want to see your id first.
https://i.imgur.com/7DqO9fG.png

They won't come after you just because you deal with a few thousand dollars. No. It is not their job. It is your country's police department's job if you are a small time money launderer.



Anything. They can just take it away from you and give it to somebody else. (if the other guy is capable of making them believe that he is you, or you are breaking some international law or smth) Or cancel the domain for good.

When a person is buying some domain on almost every site where you can buy it you can choose if you don't want to hide yourself as owner. In the registrar's databases, there will be as an owner written some company like Privateguard or same, not your real name. And if people will ask the company whats his name they just can't tell it.

But I am sure, that being anonymous is one of the best things Satoshi did, cause of his own safety and it is very interesting for looking who is real Satoshi.

loads of people have gotten domain names registered without disclosing their identity. Satoshi, i believe isn't daft as to have revealed his identity in the process of registering his domain name when his agenda was clearly stated that it was to be 100% anonymous.  If he is smart enough to invent blockchain technology, then anonymity is nothing too him.

Unfortunately the day registrars will start doing KYC will come.

I registered my domain https://bitcoingirl.club/ without giving the real information to them but I have to admit that this is not a very important domain as bitcoin.org and I am not expecting this will have much traffic ever to become an important one.

But using someone else's details with their permission seems a very good solution.