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Q for Bitcointalk community and admin:

Do you ever notice that employees like LoyceV, suchmoon and friends who practically live on the forum don't even once question how a tremendously flawed member with no perceivable qualifications like ~jollygood (aka their obedient hitman) ended up deeply entrenched on DT1 ?

The same usual suspects have a hair sensitive trigger against independent members who don't acquiesce to their nepotist plundering of forum resources and campaign for the community to exclude them in miliseconds the moment a disagreement arises...

#DoubleStandards #Hypocrisy #Nepotism.ruined.Bitcointalk

1) You're evading a ban.
2) I'm not an employee of Bitcointalk.
3) JollyGood is not my hitman. I don't suppose you got any proof of that or anything else in your post?

4) We are not friends :P
5) I don't live here.
6) Who are you? And why are you suddenly so concerned with me, right after JollyGood gave you negative feedback?
7) I don't have access to forum resources.
8) I have only excluded a few users (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098623.0), and I use that very carefully.

Counter Questions:

1) Aren't you guys, as arguably the most active members of Bitcointalk, the least bit concerned that provably bad actors and totally unethical abusers like jollygood and lauda are now part of your beloved Default Trust network ?

2) Why do you always play blind, deaf and mute, when hitmen emerge to defame independent and talented members in this forum, is it to protect your Chipmixer and avatar Salaries and various other benefits ?

3) Don't you realize this corrupt and nepotistic behavior has turned this forum into a ghost town, with only a handful people other than the Chipmixer cult remaining...
Please don't derail this thread with bullshit, it will be promptly deleted, and directly address the questions raised to you.

Thanks

Why is JollyGood's behavior the responsibility of these two members?  How about you discuss your disagreement with JollyGood, and stop trolling members who have nothing to do with it.  I have an idea, instead of trying to spread blame for your red-tag, you should take responsibility and accountability for your own actions...  Novel idea, I know.

Not only are neither LoyceV nor suchmoon responsible for JollyGood's position on DT1, one of them is voting against him, and has been for weeks.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0).

Those aren't really questions, just some fallacies with question marks at the end. I have to note that I exclude both JollyGood and Lauda but that has nothing to do with avatars or Chipmixer or whatever, nor should it. So you're gonna have to find something else to blame me for.


Aha! LoyceV's fault obviously.

This clearly has nothing to do with LoyceV nor suchmoon, just going for a couple of the strongest DT members I guess, but that's probably obvious to most.

This would be related to this unresolved situation: Re: To all DT1 members | Interesting negative feedback from JollyGood! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260202.msg54742809#msg54742809)

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftelegra.ph%2Ffile%2Fcdd70eb7c4dff19a8b87a.png


Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260202.msg54742809#msg54742809

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The user in question was in fact tagged with this reference link however:
https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg53348632#msg53348632

The stupid thing is they weren't correctly tagged for having an alt account & cheating on bounty (as a DT member already did) but instead with:


@JollyGood: Just red tag account for the right reason surely? Otherwise the feedback reads like a conspiracy with no reference to back such a claim.
More than anything, seems like a lazy copy & paste job. I hope this referencing issue won't be ignored just because the user is discredited.
PS - I think you did well to amend your previous feedback to neutral, but at the same time you failed to review identical negative feedback.

From that topic:
Have you tried that gumusi?

I know someone else already did yesterday (via pm), but the previously referenced (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260669.msg54751985#msg54751985) feedback (plural) remains the same. Also from that thread:


Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260202.msg54744124#msg54744124

Maybe a strong DT member highly respected member could give it another go?

Ok, so it's expectable for DT1's to slap agendic and illogical feedbacks on users trust wall and demand for an PM to remove it or get it changed to neutral or beg to the DT (who you feel is racist) for reconsideng the feedback. This should go in some DT guide, I guess.

OP, is not obligate to send PM, I already had bad experiences with many DTs in PM on such feedback cases, it's doesn't turn right.

Op what's the reason for your Red trust?
LoyceV has nothing to do with this if you're very observant of this particular case.

Calm down hacker, there were no demands or begging suggested. I do see your point though, if you feel someone is being racist, they aren't approachable by default (whether they are racist or not is completely irrelevant). To me it seems like a clear cut case of revising feedback based on being given a push to do so, more or less following suggestions from those you consider more powerful than yourself, as opposed to any form of self-reflection. It comes across as self-preservation more than anything else. Disappointing to the say the least  :-\


This. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260669.msg54751985#msg54751985)

even if some groundless claims fail, they form a bad place in the memory of society (this creates some kind of perception). Clear and groundless claims made on people must be explicitly rejected. Thus, a good position can be achieved in the perception of society.

If dt1 members know that their claims are blank, they should first ask the matter from the private message and wait for an answer about it. if their claims are weak, they should not give negative feedback.

they can make bad impressions about people when they make mistakes by acting hastily.

Excellent thread by @gumusi.

Here he is employing a technique known to ardent students of logic as "Modus Tollendo Ponens" or disjunctive syllogism, which I noted with some surprise that even many of the local users he is defending seem to have missed  :)...

It goes like this, 1 of the following statements must be true:

Either i) the Default Trust System is working as intended and bad actors and abusers are eliminated by the collective conscience of DT1 and BTT community
or ii) the DT system is in ruins, and therefore this forum in its current format is considerably broken.

He then goes on to say, since the DT1 and the larger BTT community are mostly silent on the ongoing libel and black propaganda by crooked ninjas like ~jollygood and ~lauda that they end up getting represented on the DT system month after month,

the inevitable conclusion must be that the Default Trust system is a joke and serves mainly to smear strong and independent opponents for political reasons and has subtracted greatly from the prestige and brand value of Bitcointalk.

Instead of wasting time on extremely minor details and personal scuffles, please try to address the arguments from the overarching theme mentioned in the OP.

All the Best

I'm glad you've corrected the accuracy of your feedback. What about the others though that I referenced (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5260669.msg54751985#msg54751985) above as well as PM'd you about?

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m4FJ2.png (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016855)

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016855

References:
1. https://web.archive.org/web/20200529232531/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225711.msg53851746#msg53851746
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252627.0
3. https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225711.msg53865312#msg53865312
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252627.0

In references 1&3, there are no references to "merit abuse and fake trust circle" in the referenced posts that endorses Vispilio's campaign services.
In references 2&4, there are no mention of promoting Vispilio in the referenced post. What does Vispilio have to do with these users?

Ultimately it's up to you how you leave your feedback, but referencing your allegations is always a good start, as it's strengthens your feedback.
Surely there isn't the need for another 4 topics to clear this up. You're 33% there now, you're doing great.

At this point it would be fair to conclude that Bitcointalk should be boycotted and avoided as a broken forum until such time that all the Negative Trust spammers are blacklisted from ALL layers of DT.

It's not rocket science guys, if someone is spamming nonsensical ratings simply to vent their toxic hatred like trolls jollygood and lauda here, you need a mechanism in place so that they don't prevent healthy traffic and engagement, if you have any desire to maintain a functional forum...

I love this functional forum where we care about preventing long-term scammers from preying on Newbies. I love this forum where we don't have a dedicated board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=207.0) for ponzi schemes and HYIP frauds. I love this forum where we're running on a modern forum board, where we don't have another forum project that has been in development for years. It's great seeing such a strong community: one where the metrics required to join the DefaultTrust network aren't arbitrary and where someone could never possibly get onto DT1 without having been a trustworthy individual.

Stop shitposting, Vispilio...

great inference, now everyone who sees through childish nepotist games must be Vispilio or close friend of Vispilio, excellent job 🍀

I have read my post few times and I am sure I said "stop shitposting, Vispilio".

You agreed to something which is not true (read posts #2 and #3), you said it is excellent thread and then you made your regular political shitpost. You don't even want to read anything and look into facts.

~jollygood is not welcome on this thread,

neg rating spamming trolls like ~jollygood and ~lauda would be expelled from any sane and respectable community.

Since admin, along with the legendary founding members seem to have long ago stopped caring about this forum, the onus falls on the independent crypto community to ignore and distrust provably bad actors if they want to save and reverse bitcointalk from its steady decline...

Please tell me what do you think about this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg53348632#msg53348632

You merited your alt account, you are evading ban(read forum rules about ban evasion), you self-vouched for DT place, you advertised obvious ponzi scheme... now you are complaining about DT system which is closely related to merits, ban, self vouching, advertising scams etc etc...

Can you deny it?

Let's talk like adults here.

Also, let's talk about this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5252368.msg54542666#msg54542666

What's wrong with nepotism? It's so stupid to battle it when it eventually, always, wins. That's why I always hire my buddies and pay them extra just for being my buddies in sig campaigns, after all they deserve it for being my buddies.

Quoted for merit  ;D

That person is definitely not me. telegram only
name similarity. I had neither bad shopping nor any business with a fake project. I am interested in signing jobs on my own. There is absolutely nothing that jolly would give negative trust.
I say it over and over again. I'm not that person you shared with. believe it or not it is up to you. I will not come to this forum again, proving that I am that person. I am so assertive.

Oh, ok then, it is the same telegram only. Silly me  ::)

Just small reminder for me, you said that you "say it over and over again" and my reference is 7 months old, can you please point me to post(s) where you said it? Because I don't remember neither "one of you" complained about my research back then (probably because of neutral feedback) and now, when JG tagged your ass, you start complaining.

You're just coming with this. Do you have any other proof?
If any, put your proof in the middle. theymos block me. I'm so sure of myself. You and me and other friends see yourself as competitors. You want only us to win in the forum. oh how beautiful

Competition to what exactly? You are delusional. It's fucking forum!

Anything about this yet?

And then you can ask for more proof and we can keep going forever. While at the same time providing zero proof of whatever you said in your OP.