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https://www.bitcoin.com/

Why does it put it as default? Are the owners of the site, owners of bitcoin cash as well?

Yes, that is so. The CEO of the bitcoin.com site is Roger Ver and co-Founder of Bitcoin cash.

Please see this reference for how it started
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_Cash
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Ver#Cryptocurrency

The main website for Bitcoin is bitcoin.org (!).
The .com website is a commercial website owned by somebody who made (forked) the altcoin called Bitcoin Cash and selling it as "the true bitcoin" to all unaware newbies and to the ones believing his fantasies.

Many newbies think that they buy Bitcoin for cheap and when they send bcash to a Bitcoin address come here asking what has happened.

Roger Ver is a known anti-bitcoin advocate since long ago. His gripe with the bitcoin community was that most people didn't support the solutions for scaling that he also supported.
He has since been pumping his money to promote a forked bitcoin, that he tries to promote as the real bitcoin.

Partners of Roger Ver have also promoted BCash through their businesses. For example, known scammer Erik Voorhees (https://www.coindesk.com/company/satoshidice) turned his business, satoshi-dice, into a BCash-only gambling platform. He and Ver have worked together on many ventures like for example the failed KryptoKit wallet.

How can someone buy BCH and think that he is buying BTC is beyond me, considering the huge difference in price. I mean, if you buy BCH thinking that you are actually buying BTC, but discounted for 97% (and not questioning yourself how can that be possible) you will have hard time in crypto. Hell, even on that website they make distinction between those two.

Then again, people are still sending money to BTC doublers, so I guess everything is possible.

Its possible because their information misleading buyers. When a buyer want to buy bitcoin then he have to use credit/debit card. That's the reason the price calculations will be in usd during buy process. So sometimes buyers just concentrate on USD amount instead of deeply look on btc/bch amount. And after bought eventually they received BCH instead of BTC. I can't recall the story but there is some claim about that buyers received BCH on his BTC address after bought. It's a mistake by buyers they hadn't noticed deeply the amount of BTC/BCH.

They deposit fiat and buy bitcoin. If they can differentiate this, I think they would not be scammed. The problem is most people looking fot buying bitcoin to pay something go to bitcoin.com (as we have a tendency that dotcom is the authentic site) and buy so called bitcoin without knowing that they are BCH actually. And you can find a lot of threads where newbies complain that they buy Bitcoin on bitcoin.com and sent to their address but not received. Because they bought BCH and send them to BTC wallet. I think bitcoin.com is liable for all this.

This is no secret, the people behind that website is pro BCH and it mislead a lot of newbies. If you have been long enough, you will see threads after threads about newbies thinking that it's BTC that they are getting and they go on a lot of problems. And they don't want to mentioned BTC, they call it Bitcoin Core, LOL. And according to them the real BTC is Bitcoin Cash.

@Lucius has a good thread about it, How Not To Buy Fake BTC! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5239860.0).

Roger Ver owns that domain and he's also the one who made the bitcoin fork, bitcoin cash.

So don't be caught with their misleading claim. Btw, their forum is closing soon.

BlackHatCoiner, if this is not a problem for you, put the link in the code - we don't want to advertise this site more than necessary, and we certainly want to prevent people who don't understand the difference between the original Bitcoin and all the forks from buying something fake.

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Not only they are pro BCH, but they tried to destroy BTC with a massive spam attack on the BTC blockchain, and at the same time by pumping up the price of BCH - I think the price difference back then was only some $2000 in favor of BTC.

For all those who missed the show, I recommend reading the chronology of events, and here you can see who of the more influential people turned their backs on the real BTC and supported the copy.

BTC vs BCH. Full chronics of epic battle for cryptocurrency domination - 2017 (https://medium.com/crypto-punks/btc-vs-bch-chronics-add576793e54)

@Yaunfitda I remember this very well because Roger had the audacity to term Bitcoin Cash as the real bitcoin, and due to this many people ended up buying his worthless coin, and then they regretted their purchases later on but it was too late as BCH prices crashed and they were stuck with a fake bitcoin. @Lucius indeed he tried unsuccessfully to fool people that Bitcoin Cash was the real Bitcoin, and he was supposed to be sued for this, but then the case never really materialised, and he escaped punishment for fooling people and playing with their sentiments.

Source:

https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2018/04/132699-bitcoin-users-may-sue-bitcoin-cash-and-its-ceo-roger-ver-for-brand-overlap/

What's the point of a bitcoin fork anyway? I had heard that it's centralized too.

I still remember those days wherein we are under attack from Ver and his co-conspirators. Crazy times but they are unsuccessful and so other attempts to overthrow BTC, like the so called Flippening (ETH) and Rippening (Ripple). BCH though remain in the crypto sphere but they will never achieved their main goal.

@BlackHatCoiner  - regarding Bitcoin forks, here is one prime example why they are very prone to 51% attack. A Bitcoin fork, known as Bitcoin Gold has been attack again, the third time: https://bitcoingold.org/emergency-update-0-17-2/

Also for those who are interested, you may want to read my thread here: How many confirmations are equivalent* to 6 Bitcoin confirmations? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209909.0).

OP, besides what everyone has already said, that site's goal is also to gaslight you from the truth, to make you QUESTION Bitcoin, but TAKE your Bitcoin, and exchange it for a forked-shitcoin. Haha.

And that's another negative bitcoin has. Besides the other fears you have with bitcoin (fake giveaways, scams etc), there are people that will try to steal them by making you investing on them. Indirectly.

I really don't blame people that malign bitcoin. Is it money for smart and careful people.

To make a pump and dump coin for the newbie to fall to. Just look at how confusing this Bitcoin.com is and Bitcoin Cash. Using the name of Bitcoin to lure new investors into thinking that they are investing to Bitcoin itself. Some might even think that Bitcoin is the technology and Bitcoin Cash is the currency because of the word cash in it.

Satoshi should have bought bitcoin.com, with a simple redirection to the org.

This site is owned by the people who supported the forking of bitcoin to bitcoin cash and the CEO is Roger Ver, who was once a big spokesperson for bitcoin and now is supporting bitcoin cash for his own reasons. The main website for bitcoin is actually bitcoin.org and bitcointalk too, both owned by Cobra which are the official websites for bitcoin, whereas bitcoin.com isn't official at all. But most of the people always search for a .com domain so they land upon the domain that accepts bitcoin cash as a default currency.

Instead of writing that Satoshi was supposed to do this or that, nothing bad happened to this domain until 2017 when Roger Ver used that domain and his name to try to sell the world a story about some new Bitcoin. Satoshi disappeared from the crypto scene back in 2010, and before that there were no intentions that things like this would happen in the future.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin.com

You can actually see here his hypocrisy towards bitcoin, after the knew that it is a business he started making his own fork, we know as bitcoin cash. Real bitcoin huh? after he just pull it out of bitcoin itself. wow.

So we should be talking less about this news since the founder of that website and the founder of bitcoincash is the same person. Not a huge deal. He might use this as stepping stone for bitcoincash to be recognize as great as the bitcoin, what do you think about it? I would not be surprise if the next day he start talking with some business man he is connected with to add bitcoincash on their businesses.

why?!
bitcoin is not some centralized coin or a centralized company to have an owner (aka Satoshi) who is responsible for buying up domain names and protecting them.

in fact i say it is a good thing that bitcoin.com is run by a scammer and is scamming people. newcomes learn that in this decentralized world there are always scammers lurking around wanting to empty their pockets while putting on sheeps clothing.

There are always scammers but bitcoin.com seems always legit. And bitcoin.com is not a scam. At least not directly like fake giveaways.

I just don't find the reason of not buying it. bitcoin.com and bitcoin.net redirecting to bitcoin.org, that's all.

This has been going on for a long time ever since BCH CEO, Roger Ver took over the domain. He used the domain for commercial purposes and to lure unsuspecting people that that is the real bitcoin, although thankfully people are smart enough to know the basic difference between BCH and BTC. Then again there are still some people lured into this scheme and are unhappy about their first experience with 'bitcoin' due to the seemingly legitimate domain used by Ver and co.

bitcoin.org is where people should head to if they want to learn more about BTC and not BCH. Bitcoin wiki also exists, and it's really not hard to find those legitimate resources on the web nowadays.

They're newbie anyways. The website owners purposedly put the word 'Bitcoin' and 'Cash' together to fool the users. We are not newbies so we are aware of the name difference but a newbie who doesn't have much idea about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, they may be confused and thought that's the real Bitcoin. Especially they're buying it on a website which seems 'legitimate' with the domain bitcoin.com (http://bitcoin.com), isn't it easy to be fooled?

Unfortunately also the world of cryptocurrencies is not free from scammers and cunning, the site is a little misunderstanding and tends to trap the newbies who believe they are buying bitcoins but only realize after purchasing bitcoin cash  :(

This site has been misleading people ever since the shitcoin fork Bitcoin Cash was born. It must have caused a good deal of damage to people who unfortunately fell for this trap. Many people ended up buying a shitfork instead of the real Bitcoin because Ver and the site claim that Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin.

This site is going to shut down though. So thanks for that one scammy site is taken off the online world.

It's NOT a "negative that Bitcoin has", Bitcoin is neutral. The honey-badger don't care. It's the people that participate in socio-political attacks, fraud, and lies that's negative.

It's because Satoshi doesn't really need to do that, and I also thought that Satoshi didn't think that his creation will really go this big in just short amount of time. So he never see the future and no way for him to know what is going to happen. It's just in the last 4 years or so, this thought of getting this domain has enter the minds of those people who have been involved early. However, Roger Ver take advantage of the domain name and mislead a lot of bitcoiners.

bitcoin.com is exactly a scam by all intents and purposes. for example if you go to an Apple store and pay for an iPhone but they give you a Chinese garbage, that is called being scammed.
when you go to bitcoin.com they tell you that you are buying "bitcoin" but they sell you a garbage called bcash. and that is similarly a scam.

as for redirecting to bitcoin.org that doesn't solve anything. what happens when bitcoin.org turns bad too? that is the problem with centralization that you can't fix it by more centralization.

just because you saw bitcoin on its name does that mean you will see bitcoin upon visiting that site ? lol no mate  . we can use any domain name we want but the content can be different too  and yes i heard roger ver the founder of bch is connected to that site  so its normal that he will use his own coin as a medium  . idc if he hates btc  or this site only use bch because at the end of the day we still knew that btc is more succesful than on bch . itl take more years before he can reached what btc already have

well you can do it if you wanted to. if you have lots of money you can buy it.

anyway, even if somebody got tricked at the beginning (because they don't do enough dd), most of the time they'll learn the rest later. nobody should ever listen to one side of the story.

I hope you are right but wondering how bitcoin.com answers these bad claims against them https://www.trustpilot.com/review/bitcoin.com. If they seem to be legit, maybe we could say that a lot of people use it and having a good experience but something different out there and then you claim it was legit and can be trusted?

They are not scamming but is not the main issue there, it is how this site runs through. What is the reason why using BCH as default currency instead of BTC? Its something to trick traders especially for noobs.

You're wrong, it is a scam just a little different from the ones you're used to.

Roger ver used to sell Bitcoin Cash as Bitcoin on his site and called the real Bitcoin "bitcoin core". If that's not a scam, what is?
A newbie would go to Bitcoin.com and see a big button "buy Bitcoin" and get a forked shitcoin BCH instead.

He was criticized for it and changed it so that now when you go to his site you see bitcoin cash and bitcoin core which is still shady but less than it was in 2018.

Too risky to use this to buy bitcoin for a newbie where the developer is pro BCH. Errors will come and many will lose money, newbies need a guide to prevent this. The developer of this site is the same developer with BCH, of course they have to support their own, but using bitcoin as the main headline is misleading.

I don't know what your idea is about any currency hash Rate. The higher a currency hash Rate lower the risk of losing it. So the hash Rate growth of Bitcoin is good news for us from one side. The higher the hash rate of currency, the more likely it is to be protected. hash rate not always the same.  It is low and increases so I do not see any reason to be disappointed.

This issue had been known of most people here on this forum or even on the entire crypto community on how shitty Roger Ver is.
He owns that site and also the founder of Bcash.shitcoin so its nor surprise that they would set it out as a default one and all the words you
do read up into that site is only focused on their coin and just literally deceiving newbie to believe that Bcash is the real Bitcoin which is totally bullshit.

Unfortunately, newbies or noncrypto users thought that this site is really decent as a source of crypto knowledge.
The reason why there are many individuals who are being screwed by this bitcoin cash, not knowing the real difference between BTC and BCH.
This is also one of the reasons why many people are getting dismayed because once they were screwed, they thought it is because of bitcoin.
Newbies need to expand their crypto knowledge before even sending money to their app.
Recently, bad reviews again received by the app. I think in some way, they are screwing people with how they set-up their app.

https://i.imgur.com/5ROm4GE.png

Be careful about the site and I don't want to mention it. Because do not want to promote a site that makes a lot the newbie gets lost.
That's right the owner of the site is named Roger Ver and creator of Bitcoin Cash, Roger Ver is world famous crypto as anti-bitcoin.
And trying to convince Bitcoin holders in various ways to sell Bitcoin and buy Bitcoin Cash. He often pumps Bitcoin Cash with his money
to create hype and promote Bitcoin Cash. My advice avoid it for buy Bitcoin Cash so we don't belong to Roger Ver.

Forks happen for two main reasons:
1. Upgrades in the network
2. Developers are no longer in consensus with the direction of the project and they split through a hardfork.

In case of Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash, Roger Ver and supporters proposed for bigger blocks to increase Bitcoin's scalability while Blockstream and the rest went for Segwit and second layer solution Lightning Network. Obviously, Ver and his supporters weren't happy about it and so the hardfork. 

Another insignificant reason is some developers just want to make money using another coin's popularity like bitcoin. They will try to sell their coin with overused "faster, better, cheaper" features but a lot of them still holds on the bitcoin name.

you are wrong about a couple of points here.
in a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority the point #2 shouldn't exist. when in bitcoin >95% of the network accepts a certain direction, that remaining 5% should follow the rest which is what happened in 2017.

things like bcash are created to make money. it has nothing to do with disagreement or even scaling. if it really did then bcash shouldn't have had any traces of SegWit in its source code but the reality is that they have implemented about 80% of SegWit already. the funny thing is that they are now talking about "second layer" too :D

You just made it sound like Ver was a sore loser when his proposal was supported by a tiny minority.

I wasn't aware they've implemented and also discussing the proposals they "strongly" opposed before. Reading about it made me laugh, thanks! So yeah, it's not about integrity or whatever "real vision of Satoshi" and conspiracy theory crap they were spewing. Ver and his BCH is a phony.

It might also turn them away from Bitcoin, and its ethos/philosophy that a decentralized protocol can be used to free us, and help us.

The scammed might remember "Bitcoin" as something that broke their bank account.

I think they will not be scammed. The problem is most people are looking to buy bitcoin to pay for something to bitcoin.com (because we have a tendency that dotcoms are authentic sites) and buy so-called bitcoin without knowing that they are actually BCH. And you can find lots of threads where beginners complain that they bought Bitcoin on bitcoin.com and sent it to their address but it's not accepted. I think bitcoin.com is responsible for all this

But isn't Bitcoin the scam? At the end of 2017, Bitcoin was near $20,000. Then it dropped. Why? Because the miners and Devs made the mining fee so high that people couldn't buy or sell without wasting a lot on miners fees.

So, Bitcoin is controlled. And being controlled, it moves according to the whims of the miners and Devs. And if they get together on a conference call, and decide that they are going to maintain the fee at a high amount, and keep the blocks to a small size, Bitcoin is screwed. We are at their mercy.

To be sure, Roger Ver could do the same thing. But he has promised that it will never be done that way. Do I trust him? No! But we already see that the Bitcoin Devs and miners are not trustworthy. If they were, Bitcoin would easily be at $2,000,000 today. And the face of money in the world would have changed.

But we wouldn't want that, would we? Oh, no. We love Federal Reserve Bank fiat. At least the Devs and the miners do. Because they bowed to the FED, and caused the price of Bitcoin to drop when Bitcoin could have ruled the world.

What's up with that?

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first of all price going up and down doesn't make something a "scam". it seems like you either don't know the meaning of the word or are just trolling here.

secondly bitcoin price went from $800 to $6000 from start of 2017 to end of 2018 (2 years). i call that a gigantic rise and whatever happened in the middle is the short term drama.

and finally price dropped from $20k because it was a bubble. it had nothing to do with fees.

But why did you ignore the absolutely most important thing that I said? BITCOIN IS CONTROLLED BY THE DEVS AND MINERS. They do it by limiting block size, and by moving miners fees up and down at will.

So, explain that please.

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EDIT: Was it really bubble trouble? More and more people were starting to introduce themselves to Bitcoin when the price was around $20,000. What would have happened if the miners reduced their fees, and the Devs increased the block size to double what it was? Wouldn't trading have increased. Wouldn't the miners get more out of trading increases? Wouldn't Bitcoin have taken over the world of money? After all, if there weren't enough bitcoins to go around, people could start buying satoshi's for $100 each.

Bitcoin is controlled. Bitcoin is a scam.

You don't find reason it because in the first place you don't even trust this site.

Yes, Bitcoin.com is not a scam but having BCH as a default currency, it gives an option for the people to think differently of what their real intention of having that and probably they want to trick noobs and even old users. It is something in question why it goes like that and why it is not Bitcoin?

Well, that is a need to ask why and so much to believe that Bitcoin.com will make a clear statement in regards to this but there is nothing to read and this is an absolute way of scamming.

Bitcoin.com (https://www.bitcoin.com/) and Bitcoin.org (https://bitcoin.org/en/) are entirely different. Bitcoin.com (https://www.bitcoin.com/) is the site formed by Roger Ver who claimed himself as Satoshi. The dot com domain will be common, upon the same newcomers might sometimes get into the Bitcoin.com (https://www.bitcoin.com/) website misunderstanding it as the dedicated platform for bitcoin. As Roger Ver is the co-founder of Bitcoin Cash he has added it as the default one.

He claims to be Satoshi. Why don't we believe him? Does he lie for sure?

Is there any proof to state him as Satoshi. He is lying for sure, if he is Satoshi he could've never moved from Bitcoin to Bitcoin Cash for any reason. As Satoshi stays hidden from the outer world he himself claims as Satoshi. Of I'm not wrong, Roger Ver is an investor and not an innovator as Satoshi.

What are you talking about?
Roger never claimed he is Satoshi (but he does claim that Bcash is the real Bitcoin)
Scammer who claims he is Satoshi is Rogers ex partner CSW aka Faketoshi.

Right! Roger never claimed he is Satoshi. It was Craig Wright who claimed he was Satoshi.

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Bitcoin currently exceeds 11000$+. However, I am not sure if Bitcoin is moving forward or keeping pace with the stock market. There is no denying that Bitcoin has been able to make up for its lossesn a lot. Needless to say, Etherium (ETH) has been able to demonstrate its capabilities. However, it is still a long time to be the equivalent of Bitcoin.

I think the price of bitcoin will go up in a few more days. my prediction it may reach to $15000. then a retest may happen, we may can see a downward movement, as we have seen before.  I think bitcoin is just an unpredictable thing. none of us can say how much bitcoin will cost after few days. we have seen many times that suddenly the price of BTC went down, But now it is time for making new ATH once more..

That is weird! Bitcoin cash and Bitcoin are not the same. Though the are look alike, but I agree that most newbies do not even research a thing before jumping in.

FYI, Roger was not a co-founder of Bitcoin Cash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlAMpzDQoqk&t=614

Welcome to the world where many choose Abibos instead of Adidas because it's cheap.
Do you think that the newbies understand that crypto is different than the goods where buying the cheaper can be an option sometimes? Or do you think they understand that they don't buy the correct Bitcoin when bcash is advertised (there) as the real Bitcoin and comes up as the first option when one wants to buy Bitcoin?