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Title: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 13, 2020, 10:29:00 AM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me. I can still remember snatches from the air raids in the second world war, and it is interesting how some things make such an impression on children's minds.

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: YOSHIE on July 13, 2020, 10:54:26 AM
Maybe, if in terms of registered accounts, there are older than you.
For example:

1. LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836)

10 months older than you, February 26, 2015.

As for you, December 20, 2015.

However, in terms of real age, in life "do not know" there is no honest with the actual age.



I thought you were only 40-45 years old, in real life, you were already 78 years old.

Can you still see the writing here & operate the internet, I salute you are very healthy at 78 years old.
Sorry, I have to 'call' you grandfather @JetCash.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: AlbertoLB on July 13, 2020, 11:01:51 AM
That's quite the age, happy to see older people into bitcoin, I only wish my grandmother bothered to look at it and she's younger than you, mom is a hodler but she doesn't hold her coins.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: ChuckBuck on July 13, 2020, 11:04:31 AM
Maybe, if in terms of registered accounts, there are older than you.
My account is a lot older than many people here  :D But I'm still young  ;D I'm sure there are many other people who also have large account age in this forum, it is not really important to mention. But for everyone's real age, I think there is hardly anyone older than OP. I suddenly remembered someone, it's gentlemand (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=155345)
I don't knows his current age, but I think he could be an OP competitor  :D


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 13, 2020, 11:18:01 AM

Can you still see the writing here & operate the internet,

I don't wear glasses or contact lenses if that is what you mean. Perhaps I eat carrots, and that is the answer. :)

Can I operate the internet? My problem at the moment comes from the restrictions imposed by some WiFi providers, and tethering can cause some security conflicts. Now that I have more of an office environment available, I will switch to Kali and SSDs in preparation for the installation of solar power. I've been a bit myopic as a Bitcoin maximalist, and I need to do a bit more research in some of the recent alts. I'd like to revive the crypto con tree project as well, that never really got started.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: BIT-BENDER on July 13, 2020, 11:39:15 AM
I think age has nothing on a human being who want to get on in technology, digital asset or something thought to have passed them.
Steve Jobs -founder of Apple- would have be 65 years old if he was alive, well let me state in the present, this old man started what many are using.
Bill gate is another elderly man that has done same,
Even in education the importance of an aged man is good for the future,

@jetcash I don't know about any one at your age or more, but the inspiration to people young or old is good for digital asset.
With That said, am curious is today your birthday?


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: cabalism13 on July 13, 2020, 11:45:11 AM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me.
Is that for real? didn't think that you were that old JC, especially for a guy who almost had the internet @Mcdonalds LoL, Just like what I thought with theymos, I really thought you were just in the middle 50s...
Then yes, you could be the one, in my guess. It is surely a lucky (or maybe not) to have a guy almost in his 80s moving from the internet just like a teen.

1. LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836)
My guess for Loyce was 30-45


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: TheBeardedBaby on July 13, 2020, 12:15:21 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me. I can still remember snatches from the air raids in the second world war, and it is interesting how some things make such an impression on children's minds.

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.

Oh my, I knew you had some years behind your back but never though that you might have that many. Sir, you have my admiration for being here and doing all you do for helping the bitcoin community.
Please, stay safe during those bad times we are living in right now. Sending my warmest regards :)


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: sheenshane on July 13, 2020, 12:21:18 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me.
Before, I thought theymos age was around 70-80 years old and he is the oldest forum member in real life (Because of his account registered date), but I'm wrong. But then, I recently discovered that theymos age and we are almost the same age (29 years old on this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5255605)). So, this mindset needs to revive and I thought also your age is 30+ years old.

Older members should be given respect, just like the Filipino gesture that always gives honor to our elders. It's called "MANO PO!" in our country by pressing one’s forehead on their offered hand. So, can I say, MANO PO, Jet Cash?  :)
https://i.imgur.com/DFI9emz.png
#ctto:

Anyway, stay safe and always be healthy.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: nutildah on July 13, 2020, 12:24:00 PM
I certainly don't think I'm telling any tales out of school when I reveal that JimboToronto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=128156) is up there with you, but I think you have him beat by a few years (don't know for sure). He's made this reveal about his age quite a few times in the Wall Observer thread, as well as in his first post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54780.msg2423041#msg2423041) on the forum. He spends a lot of time with his girlfriend (wife?) traveling through the jungle of Mexico and his consistently positive attitude is an inspiration to all the WOers.

His personal text is also rather fitting and sounds like it could apply to you as well:

"You're never too old to be young."


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: jademaxsuy on July 13, 2020, 12:30:01 PM
You can't teach an old dog new tricks but this could not apply to you because you are not a dog OP. Knowingly that you are that old (if you really does) made me realize that I can still learn a lot in this forum. I am not too late to learn inhere because I am still young.

The young once has to eat a sack of rice. There are many things to learn here. Probably most of the users here are at the same page in learning. While the once young had already made good deeds and able to learn better than everyone if compared to the young once.

However, I do believe that experience is the best tool in learning wether what age one may have. As long as I will be here in this forum actively participating discussion then a higher chances are that I can do better as time goes by.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: hd49728 on July 13, 2020, 12:43:05 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me. I can still remember snatches from the air raids in the second world war, and it is interesting how some things make such an impression on children's minds.

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.
I don't know that Bruno is in his sixties or seventies when he passed away months ago. He is old but I don't know his real age.

It is so amazing to know you are 78 years old that means you are very open-minded and that is why you accepted bitcoin at beginning. There are not many old guys from old generations like you and most of them don't accept bitcoin because old guys tend to prefer something safe and stable, not risky not volatile from their minds.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: andulolika on July 13, 2020, 12:46:54 PM
Wow, you probably the oldest member around indeed, but I would of never expected you only to get here by 2015 as i seen you around a bunch, must admit took me a few months to join the forum.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 13, 2020, 12:48:44 PM
The only reason that you can't teach an old dog new tricks is if the dog gives up on learning. Where I have found difficulties is in exploring some of the latest developments. Things that were very advanced when I was at school, have now become part of a basic education. However, many of the basics are no longer taught, and people now assume that things just work without understanding why.

Another thing is that I have become interested in the origins of the so called deep state, and I've tracked it back to the Knights Templar. It's probably a bit easier for me, as I have spent a lot of time in regions where their history has been preserved. Most people today just dismiss this as conspiracy theory with no foundation.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: UserU on July 13, 2020, 12:55:31 PM
I think I saw another old member but not sure what's his age, filippone.

And make sure you introduce Bitcoin to your grandchildren ;D


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: ChuckBuck on July 13, 2020, 01:14:04 PM
I don't wear glasses or contact lenses if that is what you mean. Perhaps I eat carrots, and that is the answer. :)
You are a funny oldster, I quite like the way you talk here  :D and you have really good eyes, I rarely see anyone who can still use a computer without glasses at that age, you're admirable. I wish I could see everything clearly when I was your age, of course if I were alive until then  :D
My guess for Loyce was 30-45
I guess LoyceV is younger than 40


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: YOSHIE on July 13, 2020, 01:24:46 PM
I don't wear glasses or contact lenses if that is what you mean. Perhaps I eat carrots, and that is the answer. :)
If that, grandfather's answer: @JetCash.

grandfather, grandson there are some questions & exams that l want to give to grandfather...!

I want to test how great the eyes of someone who always eats carrots, against the eyes at the age of 78 years.
Come on grandfather, I tested grandfather's eyes, how sharp the eyes at the age of 78, grandfather, not, use lenses, naturally.

Grandfather see this picture;
note:
the other (young), no, may answer, only for grandfather: @JetCash.


https://zizihub.com/5129.jpg

There are 9 round columns, each of which has: (number), what number is in it...!

If this can be answered, I'm sure, the age of @Jet Cash is now;.........!

ha.ha.ha. a little humor.


What if i'm colorblind >:(
Not visible at all.

This method is used by ophthalmologists for patients, age 78.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: libert19 on July 13, 2020, 02:20:59 PM
Holy! I never thought I would see 78 year old person on Internet forum that too Bitcoin related.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Nellayar on July 13, 2020, 02:23:08 PM
I thought Theymos is 60+ years old yet he is 30 years old this year.
I thought Yahoo6728 is also 40 years old yet he was getting married for last few months (Probably he is in between 25-30)

I thought Jet Cash, is young. Ranging from 30-40 as well but he is already my grand father. Now I understand why he has already a lot of experienced than us who are more young in this forum. This only means that anonymous works in forum.

BTW, A late birthday Grandpa, I mean Jet Cash.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: UserU on July 13, 2020, 02:46:50 PM
Holy! I never thought I would see 78 year old person on Internet forum that too Bitcoin related.

TFW Jet reads your comment ;D
https://pm1.narvii.com/6951/eaee4b54363467c6038f3ffb96e71df93d478de5r1-750-586v2_uhq.jpg


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: andreibi on July 13, 2020, 03:12:32 PM
Jet Cash is a senior citizen? Well, that put things into a new perspective. May I ask from what country are you from? Err, just read the sig. May I ask if Winston Churchill deserves to be revered in this cancel culture climate? I apologize in advance if this is offensive, I have no skin in the game being Asian and in Asia.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Welsh on July 13, 2020, 03:25:06 PM
To put into perspective, I registered on the forum 7 years ago, and I'm not even close to half of your age. I love that this forum in particular seems to attract people from all kinds of different backgrounds.

Older members should be given respect, just like the Filipino gesture that always gives honor to our elders. It's called "MANO PO!" in our country by pressing one’s forehead on their offered hand. So, can I say, MANO PO, Jet Cash?  :)

I personally prefer people to adopt the culture that I would describe as common decency; Give everyone respect, unless they've specifically given you a reason not too. Of course, you can have more respect for those with particular ideas, or innovations like the Elon Musks of the world as well as those that are older than you. However, a measurement of how wise or respectable someone should not be associated with age. Of course, JetCash has shown themselves as a respectable user of the forum. Of course, I understand that's your culture, and I respect that, so I'm not trying to change that, or suggest that its wrong in anyway, and I definitely agree that reaching high end ages is particularly respectable, especially if they've kept good values, and all that. It just seems that respect is being lost for fellow humans, unless they have some sort of achievement or accolade to their name, whether that be old, or a oscar winner. When from my eyes, we should be respecting everyone regardless of achievements, and other related things. One of my biggest pet peeves is dismissing someone immediately because they are "young" or they don't have "experience", yet what that person is proposing could be innovative, and somewhat groundbreaking in your field.  Therefore, I like to take the approach of listening to everyone regardless of their age, or experience. Of course, it is some times fascinating to hear people that have vasts amount of experience in a field, but I find it equally as impressive for new ideas, and approaches.

Of course, I made the point about Elon Musk, since he has achieved far greater than the average human, and its only natural to look at these people with some sort of admiration, and respect their views even if they're wrong at times.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: mu_enrico on July 13, 2020, 03:28:31 PM
Well @Jet Cash, it depends if you count the physical age or spiritual (soul) age. Perhaps some wise guy here is an old soul or a reincarnation of the donkey king.

Anyways, 78 years old and still posting here is extraordinary. I hope it will last until at least 100. #respect


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on July 13, 2020, 03:29:50 PM
JimboToronto is pretty old, might be 70’s.

I can’t believe you’re 78 Jetty, WTF :D Kudos for being involved in bitcoin & keeping up with modern tech at your age, fair play.

I’m 34, I feel about 78 sometimes.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: LoyceV on July 13, 2020, 03:46:12 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday
That's surprising, I had no idea you're that .... old :) Well, (slightly late) congratulations!

=
My guess for Loyce was 30-45
I guess LoyceV is younger than 40
According to my profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836), I am 683 years old. Now guess the year I was born :D


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on July 13, 2020, 03:56:41 PM
I thought you were only 40-45 years old, in real life, you were already 78 years old.
I knew Jet Cash was far older than 45 but I don't think I ever knew his exact age--props to you, Jet Cash, for staying abreast of crazy tech developments like cryptocurrency.  I know a lot of older folks who still don't know how to use a computer or even have a cell phone.  And you have a level of ambition and drive that I've always admired.  May you have many years to come, my good sir.

But as far as your question goes, I can't say for certain if you're the oldest member here but you've got to be close.  I'd say the vast majority of people registered on bitcointalk are in their 20s-early 30s (and that's just a guess on my part).  I thought Bruno was an outlier, and he was "only" in his 60s if I'm not mistaken.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 13, 2020, 04:07:49 PM
Well don't forget that I am a Gemini, so if you split my age between both personalities, then I'm only 39. :)

Churchill was great to pull the country together in the last world war, but was onother who wanted to integrate The US and Britain again. Cecil Rhodes was another. They all worked to expand the modern British empire into an anglophone empire. Now that the EU has serfved its purpose, and is obviously no longer viable, I believe that the Anglophones are going to shove it under the bus, and build the Five Eyes into its replacement.

Wisdom doesn't always come with age. Experience, and how you have learnt from it is more important. Just think how many car drivers are rubbish after 50 years of driving, and they still don't know why cars have gearboxes, or the difference between under steer and over steer.

Biological age is the most important. Chronological age is only useful when you want to claim your pension. I don't know about spiritual age. I started out as a Catholic, had a brief look at Satanism, and then became an agnostic. I guess now I am a cross between Buddhism and Wicca.

683 is a good age - what's the secret in keeping your skin so supple? :)


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: mk4 on July 13, 2020, 05:03:37 PM
A 78 year old that seems to be tech savvy, and at the same time into Bitcoin? Damn dude. You're definitely a rare breed. You should be buddies with Adam Back or something.

Meanwhile people your age are getting scammed by some Nigerian princes and such lmao.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Sanugarid on July 13, 2020, 05:36:14 PM
I thought Theymos is 60+ years old yet he is 30 years old this year.
Yeah, I'm shookt when I knew that Theymos is only 29 ( If I'm not mistaken ) I though he is older than that, like around 40s.

I thought Yahoo6728 is also 40 years old yet he was getting married for last few months (Probably he is in between 25-30)
And him, I thought he is the same as Theymos, around 40 and with family.

I thought Jet Cash, is young. Ranging from 30-40 as well but he is already my grand father. Now I understand why he has already a lot of experienced than us who are more young in this forum. This only means that anonymous works in forum.
Then there's Jet Cash whom I thought was only about in 40s too, I didn't really think that we have a member with that age. 78, oh my god, I'm literally shock right now haha my eyes are popping, I never imagine myself at that age looking in front of the computer, what's good is you're not wearing an eyeglasses. just WOW!

BTW, A late birthday Grandpa, I mean Jet Cash.
I hope you enjoyed your birth day, Sir  :D


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: marlboroza on July 13, 2020, 05:57:40 PM
With modern technology and all these "anti-age-neuro" ICO's, I honestly hope you will live another 78 years.

FFS I always thought you are 20 or something  :-\


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Majharul Saiif on July 13, 2020, 06:01:45 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me. I can still remember snatches from the air raids in the second world war, and it is interesting how some things make such an impression on children's minds.

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.
Wow!! I don't know it is true or not. But I can appreciate it from my side. May be your the oldest guy here according to your age announcement. Btw, Happy Birthday.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Vod on July 13, 2020, 06:02:57 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday,

Wow JC - sick props to you bro.   With all your energy and enthusiasm, projects and posts, I suspected you were sixty years younger.  :)


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: philipma1957laptop on July 13, 2020, 07:00:34 PM
Hmm my 63 years seem short in comparison.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: btcltcdigger on July 13, 2020, 07:44:36 PM


I don't wear glasses or contact lenses if that is what you mean. Perhaps I eat carrots, and that is the answer. :)


Hah if you're really 78, then you're old enough to know when and why that myth was invented :D


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: taufik123 on July 13, 2020, 10:46:21 PM
-snip-
Wisdom doesn't always come with age. Experience, and how you have learnt from it is more important. -snip-
Old age is indeed not a guarantee to be wise. Wisdom can be seen from their behaviour and mindset.
Although the age is still very young, but some people have good wisdom compared to those who are older than him.

at the age of 78 do you already feel that you are being very wise?
I certainly have no doubts about the experience you gained during the 78 years, because you are older than Bitcoin and of all the technologies we discussed in this forum.

I don't wear glasses or contact lenses if that is what you mean. Perhaps I eat carrots, and that is the answer. :)
Speaking of eating carrots, I will consume them more often now, because at the age of 78 you can still type and discuss on this forum without using contact lenses.
That is something extraordinary, only with carrots consumed every day.

A 78 year old that seems to be tech savvy, and at the same time into Bitcoin? Damn dude. You're definitely a rare breed.
May we also become a rare species such as Jetcash who reaches the age of 78 years with a broad understanding of technology and is able to type in this forum without contact lenses.



Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Timmzzy on July 13, 2020, 11:43:18 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me. I can still remember snatches from the air raids in the second world war, and it is interesting how some things make such an impression on children's minds.

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.

Sorry to cut in sir or ma pointing out this error 🙈😂:
Quote
Last month I has my 78th birthday,
I think the right sentence is:  Last month I had my 78th Birthday .
 All the same happy 78th birthday on bitcointalk forum we are happy to still have you active here long life and prosperity and more worthy tokens to the wallet.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: lucky80 on July 13, 2020, 11:50:10 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me. I can still remember snatches from the air raids in the second world war, and it is interesting how some things make such an impression on children's minds.

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.

Wow, I'm very proud of you. People of your generation mostly avoid anything new. Where did you get information about bitcoin in the beginning? By the way, I'm a few decades below you. If no one is older than you on this forum then you should get a special badge on your profile. An award for a cool, open-minded grandfather. Anyway, happy birthday and hope you can live longer in prosperity to witness and support the development of bitcoin. Be happy and good luck always.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Mrengage on July 13, 2020, 11:53:11 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me. I can still remember snatches from the air raids in the second world war, and it is interesting how some things make such an impression on children's minds.

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.

Being the oldest or not the main point here is thanks to God the creator of heaven and earth for keeping you still to see the 78th birthday of your life. And as well being active on Bitcointalk forum and you also witnessed the covid19 pandemic outbreak that really shout down lots of stuff in the globe. Congratulations


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: erikoy on July 14, 2020, 02:15:14 AM
Age does not matter and it applies too even here in the forum. I was actually amaze how you had been so healthy and doing this technology things while others are thinking of vacation as it should be as they retire already in their work. Claiming benefits and pension then enjoying life while they still live. Most of the foreigners here in our place has settled down. Marrying young partners, building a good house and even still manage to have a kids with their partner. However, you were a little bit different OP. I just wish you to live uour life to the fullest base on what you wanted to be.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: philipma1957 on July 14, 2020, 02:43:41 AM
If you look and study the world along with living in it you see more of the patterns in their entirety.

Thus you get wiser.
As I look back I can remember 1961 first day of kindergarten.

we had a black and white tv 📺
tube radio.
am was big.
fm was not much.
we had a stereo record player

16 ,33 ,45 ,78 rpm speeds.

No calculators.
I used a slide rule while in high school.

Jet Cash predates me by 15 years.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: sandy-is-fine on July 14, 2020, 03:29:08 AM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me. I can still remember snatches from the air raids in the second world war, and it is interesting how some things make such an impression on children's minds.

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.

You got me by 5.  :D  I used to moderate a forum on Compuserve off my TRS-80 with 4K ram and 1 floppy drive on a Hayes 300 baud Smartmodem.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Vod on July 14, 2020, 04:39:58 AM
we had a stereo record player
16 ,33 ,45 ,78 rpm speeds.

Close, but try again.  :)


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: cryptoaddictchie on July 14, 2020, 05:59:30 AM
Holy! I never thought I would see 78 year old person on Internet forum that too Bitcoin related.
Same bro! With my lifestyle, I assume at age 60, I dont think I can still do what JetCash can do on the internet. I highly salute this guy, for doing internet at his age. The kids now at young age already got some reading glass for too much internet, imagine if they reach that age at certain point.

Jetcash is a living proof that age doesnt matter to technological advancement.

Looking forward for more of your intellectual thoughts. I had fun reading most of your topic on serious discussion section.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 14, 2020, 06:41:21 AM
Thanks for all the kind words, but I'm surprised by the surprise. I gather that current life expectancy should be around 120 at the moment, so I've just hit middle age. Diet, sleep, hydration, and the avoidance of smoking all pharmaceutical and recreational drug, exercise, and hydration are important to a healthy life.sex is important as well ( doing it, not identity ).

I might start a diet thread in serious discussion.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: iamsheikhadil on July 14, 2020, 07:04:13 AM
Kudos to you Jet Cash! This proves age is just a number and will power is the biggest power. You are a gem we have in this community and it feels really awesome to have someone with so much life experiences here! You are an asset to our forum and an inspiration to many. Now I'll also start to eat carrots as you mentioned :D <3


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 14, 2020, 07:34:48 AM
I missed my date of birth merit count. I was born in 1942, and I was going to make a joking post about the Dorian Gray effect of merit increasing making you younger. Oh well. I'll have to think of something else.

I'm becoming more and more interested in diet, and the carrots reference was a bit of a joke.  Well carrots contain lutein and beta carotein, and both are antioxidents that can improve eye health, but there is more to it than that. If you are sitting in front of a screen for long period, don't start at it solidly, but look out of a window frequently, and focus on trees and houses in the distance. Get up and walk around now and then to give yourself a break.

btw the first "computer" I worked on was an IBM 421, and that was a tabulator with a plug board.  You programmed it by plugging wires into the pug boards, and this controlled the sequence of operations, and use of accumulators and print operations. Data was stored on punched cards of course.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: UserU on July 14, 2020, 07:41:17 AM

I'm becoming more and more interested in diet, and the carrots reference was a bit of a joke.  Well carrots contain lutein and beta carotein, and both are antioxidents that can improve eye health, but there is more to it than that. If you are sitting in front of a screen for long period, don't start at it solidly, but look out of a window frequently, and focus on trees and houses in the distance. Get up and walk around now and then to give yourself a break.

My current job requires me to focus on the screen the whole day. Moving aroun except for toilet breaks is going to be a challenge, which is easier at home.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: acroman08 on July 14, 2020, 09:47:11 AM
-snip

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.

they probably think that them, being old, doesn't need to learn something new. they could probably understand it if they are actually interested in it. I remember my grandma(she was 80 when she started asking me) wanting to learn the latest trend in technology. she would ask me or my sister how things work on a cellphone and what apps are trending or being used by me, my siblings and my cousins. so she could stay in touch with all her grandchildren or at least understand what they are doing or talking about. what I love the most about it is that she can understand the latest slangs and laugh with us.

If you are sitting in front of a screen for long period, don't start at it solidly, but look out of a window frequently, and focus on trees and houses in the distance. Get up and walk around now and then to give yourself a break.

this is what I usually do. at a young age, my eye already started to blur, what's worse is that my job requires me to be in front of a computer screen most of the time. my eyes starts to hurt if I looked at a computer screen for 5 minutes straight.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: philipma1957 on July 14, 2020, 10:11:47 AM
we had a stereo record player
16 ,33 ,45 ,78 rpm speeds.

Close, but try again.  :)

I know the fractions I rounded for simplicity.

We had one with 16 2/3   33 1/3  45 and 78 to be precise.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Lafu on July 14, 2020, 10:23:59 AM
@Jet Cash
Wow then first belated congrats for your birthday last month buddy , hope you got an nice party even in the hard times it was and is !

Never thought that you old like this , you have my fully respect to keep up with things like Bitcoin and the whole Crypto thing .
The most in this Age are even dont know how pc works or how they use it .

Stay safe and healthy and its a pleasure to know and have you here in the Forum .


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: SFR10 on July 14, 2020, 12:51:10 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday,
Belated happy birthday :)

is there anyone here who is older than me.
I believe LoyceV can somehow scrape all of the ages shown in profiles [in this forum] then simply lists them here [at least for those with ages in their profiles, regardless of its accuracy].
- No one can beat him though, he's 683 ;D

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.
It's simply because of the fact that you're cool/fun and they're not ;)

I’m 34, I feel about 78 sometimes.
Lately, I'm having a lot of those feelings :D


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 14, 2020, 01:40:17 PM
The only reason that you can't teach an old dog new tricks is if the dog gives up on learning. Where I have found difficulties is in exploring some of the latest developments. Things that were very advanced when I was at school, have now become part of a basic education. However, many of the basics are no longer taught, and people now assume that things just work without understanding why.

Another thing is that I have become interested in the origins of the so called deep state, and I've tracked it back to the Knights Templar. It's probably a bit easier for me, as I have spent a lot of time in regions where their history has been preserved. Most people today just dismiss this as conspiracy theory with no foundation.
I had a friend who was 75 when he died. We lived in the same house (I rented one of his room) for long years when I was in my late twenties and early thirties. He was alone (wife and son left him when son was young, in the school I guess) and died one year after I left his home. I did not know at the time when he died. We did not talk for long time so one day I thought to call him. I could not reach his phone. I did not have any other number to find easily. Then on my dairy I somehow managed to find his brother's number which we exchanged long ago. I called him to know how he is that he is not picking up phone etc etc.

He then said with sorrow that I have a bad news for you. J__ has died on the last February 7 in the hospital (it was sep/oct when I called). He had a massive heart attack and he could not survive. The next thing I remember that I was crying like a baby feeling that I lost a good friend, a fatherly character to me.

J__ was older than my father. I did not have good relationship with my father but J__ was the guy who always thought me the value of going easy with parents when they go old. It did not work at the beginning but when one guy keep speaking about something with you and gives you all the good talk about relationships between a father and son you then starts thinking about it. Yes, before my father died, I and my father had a beautiful relationship and I think it would not be possible if J__ was not guiding me towards it.

I am sorry that I bought some of my personal emotion here. When read the OP and the post I quoted above , it reminded me the past with J__, he used to talk to me how he got interested with this and that.

I hope Jat Cash to live long and explore more in this earth. My love and well wishes are with you my old friend.

May I treat you a drink? ❤️
There is a BTC address in your profile.


I’m 34, I feel about 78 sometimes.
Lately, I'm having a lot of those feelings :D
And I am 37, I would love to see my grand children 😉


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: taufik123 on July 14, 2020, 02:23:21 PM
-snip-
I'm becoming more and more interested in diet, and the carrots reference was a bit of a joke.  Well carrots contain lutein and beta carotein, and both are antioxidants that can improve eye health, but there is more to it than that. If you are sitting in front of a screen for long period, don't start at it solidly, but look out of a window frequently, and focus on trees and houses in the distance. Get up and walk around now and then to give yourself a break.
-snip-
these are tips that I should follow and for young people who always look at computer screens for hours. I don't eat carrots every day, but I really like carrots. with your advice and your experience this will be a reminder to me how important it is to maintain eye health and overall body health. I also looked out the window and saw the farthest object to train my eyes to stay focused and look at the leaves of trees to make eyes fresher.

I hope Grandpa is always healthy and can remain active in this forum.

-snip-
I am sorry that I bought some of my personal emotion here. When read the OP and the post I quoted above , it reminded me the past with J__, he used to talk to me how he got interested with this and that.
-snip-
it is a natural thing, you can devote everything in this post.
How meaningful are the people near us.
After they are gone, we can only remember what was done together.
A very valuable life lesson.



Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 14, 2020, 02:28:00 PM

May I treat you a drink? ❤️
There is a BTC address in your profile.


Wow - that was unexpected, thanks. I'm not drinking much alcohol these days, as I do a lot of driving, but a coffee would be nice. In fact when I sort out my new hardware wallet, a small token would be handy to test the shape shift software. You done me a favour just by suggesting it, as I checked the balance on that address via blockchain, and it looks as if I may have a small amount of BCH sitting there as well. I had to  use blockchain, as my node is out of sync because of the lock down.

It's probably not enough to bother about, but it might be a useful test for shape shift conversions. I'll have to move the Bitcoin first though to protect that.

Don't apologise for posting your personal experiences. This is a social thread, and we can all benefit from shared experiences here.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: glowing10 on July 14, 2020, 02:41:30 PM
You just proved that age is just a number and there is no age bar when there is an involvement of crypto currency. We would have young people as well on this forum who may be 15 years or may be below as well but with you age and you still an active member and taken so much keen interest just reminds me that we all have a very long way to go in our personal life as well as in our crypto community. Wish you a belated birthday and hope you stay fit and fine.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 14, 2020, 03:13:52 PM
Wow - that was unexpected, thanks. I'm not drinking much alcohol these days, as I do a lot of driving, but a coffee would be nice. In fact when I sort out my new hardware wallet, a small token would be handy to test the shape shift software. You done me a favour just by suggesting it, as I checked the balance on that address via blockchain, and it looks as if I may have a small amount of BCH sitting there as well. I had to  use blockchain, as my node is out of sync because of the lock down.

It's probably not enough to bother about, but it might be a useful test for shape shift conversions. I'll have to move the Bitcoin first though to protect that.

Don't apologise for posting your personal experiences. This is a social thread, and we can all benefit from shared experiences here.
I would be happy to buy you a coffee. Good thing that you don't drink much. I and J__ used to drink in the local pubs. Testing the foods in different pubs with a beer was our hobby. We used to eat in the Indian restaurants too in the week ends. Those were some good memories to remember. I and J__ went for some mountain climbing too few times.

Once you have a BTC address from the new soft, please PM me the address. Have fun and stay safe brother. Enjoy your time around.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: YOSHIE on July 14, 2020, 03:30:08 PM
as I do a lot of driving, but a coffee would be nice.
Can grandfather @JetCash, send me PM, the official address of the government of the country where grandfather lives.

I will send to grandfather, some of my country's treasury coffee powder, that smells good.
Maybe grandfather, will like the original coffee from my country.

No problem, just consider it a shipment from grandfather's grandson, if grandfather doesn't mind, it might take 3-5 days to get to the destination.
Let grandfather try the aroma of coffee, which is where I live.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: pugman on July 14, 2020, 03:55:41 PM
I am shooketh, I had zero idea that you're seventy-fucking-eight years old. happy belated bday bitcointalk's grandpa.

Well don't forget that I am a Gemini, so if you split my age between both personalities, then I'm only 39. :)
Is this you partying with your personalities at 4 AM?

https://i.imgur.com/gqK4nyT.png


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 14, 2020, 04:18:06 PM
The other two look a bit too young for me.

btw. I'm not a grandfather, as I don't have any children. I might have some when I am a bit more mature, but at the moment I'm just practising the creation process.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: LoyceV on July 14, 2020, 06:43:05 PM
I believe LoyceV can somehow scrape all of the ages shown in profiles [in this forum] then simply lists them here
I could, but it seems excessive to scape 2.8 million profiles just to find out who's the oldest.

I checked the balance on that address via blockchain, and it looks as if I may have a small amount of BCH sitting there as well. I had to  use blockchain, as my node is out of sync because of the lock down.

It's probably not enough to bother about, but it might be a useful test for shape shift conversions. I'll have to move the Bitcoin first though to protect that.
You'll find an equal amount of BSV on the addy too, which might move too if you move the BCH (due to the lack of replay protection). I've sent you some BCH dust, so that (after moving your Bitcoin to safety) you can send all BCH from that address without moving the BSV.
I doubt it's enough for Shapeshift, but it is enough to convert to Bitcoin Lightning on CoinPlaza.it.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: LTU_btc on July 14, 2020, 08:00:26 PM
I read this thread, and I see some replies when people said that they thought that theymos is 60 years old or something similar. I'm curious, why you thought so? Because when I didn't knew his age, I didn't even thought that he is old man. I thought that he was about 30-40 years old when he started here.
I believe LoyceV can somehow scrape all of the ages shown in profiles [in this forum] then simply lists them here
I could, but it seems excessive to scape 2.8 million profiles just to find out who's the oldest.
And I think it would be pointless thing because only smart part of users have added their age to their profiles. While many others have added some other numbers, which is definitely not their age.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Vod on July 14, 2020, 09:29:06 PM
JC, which do you think played a bigger part in your life success?   Nature or Nurture?


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: mikeywith on July 14, 2020, 10:46:21 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday

Happy belated birthday Jet Cash, I sent you some satoshis for coffee because I envy you, I am not even close to being as old as you are and I have already started losing motivation, but you at this age are still willing to learn and you are into crypto which is by default a thing for "young people". I wish you the best of luck.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Vispilio on July 14, 2020, 10:55:05 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday ...

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.

Happy belated birthday  :), have there been any friends of yours whom you were able to successfully introduce to the world of crypto currencies,

and if so what methods were the most persuasive ?..


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: andulolika on July 15, 2020, 01:35:12 AM
Last month I has my 78th birthday ...

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.

Happy belated birthday  :), have there been any friends of yours whom you were able to successfully introduce to the world of crypto currencies,

and if so what methods were the most persuasive ?..
Method I seen thru the years is paper wallets, they might get curious eventually, there's fancier ways too but paperwallets proven cheap and effective if you do it from a safe machine.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: mk4 on July 15, 2020, 05:31:43 AM
Happy belated birthday  :), have there been any friends of yours whom you were able to successfully introduce to the world of crypto currencies,

and if so what methods were the most persuasive ?..

I would love an answer to this question lol. And while you're at it @JC, what has been the funniest(or weirdest) reactions from the Baby Boomers and the pre-Baby Boomers generation when you try explaining Bitcoin to them? If you don't mind of course.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 15, 2020, 06:53:23 AM
JC, which do you think played a bigger part in your life success?   Nature or Nurture?

Having lots of birthdays. :)

But seriously - I believe that good health starts before you are born, and I am lucky in having had a healthy and active mother. She was from an era when the tennis club was the centre of social activities, and that was where she met my father. I was breast fed, and had no vaccinations in my early years, so that I was able to build a good natural immunity system. Of course we didn't have much in the way of pharmaceuticals in those days, and most medicines were based on natural products. My advice would be to avoid all doctors and hospitals, and to work with nature to maintain your health. However this may not work if you are a product of the health destruction industry that seems to be the current practice. Avoid all pharmaceuticals and recreational drugs, smoking, vaping and cheap alcohol. Enjoy life, and take an adventurous approach to sex.

I wouldn't consider myself a success. Once I start to achieve success, then I get bored, and look for another challenge.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: LoyceV on July 15, 2020, 07:51:28 AM
Enjoy life, and take an adventurous approach to sex.
So basically, you're still a teenager :D


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Veleor on July 15, 2020, 10:02:28 AM
I certainly don't think I'm telling any tales out of school when I reveal that JimboToronto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=128156) is up there with you, but I think you have him beat by a few years (don't know for sure). <...>
JimboToronto is now about 72 years old, if I understood his statement (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=332379.msg3594018;topicseen#msg3594018) correctly.


I don't know that Bruno is in his sixties or seventies when he passed away months ago. He is old but I don't know his real age. <...>
Bruno was 60 years old. (Link (https://www.boersmafuneralhome.com/obituary/Bruno-KucinskasJr))


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 15, 2020, 12:44:07 PM
It's so sad when useful productive members of society die early.

I went to the pet emporium this morning. One of the major pet food manufacturers has just released a new range of car food, and it's the most expensive. I bought a box for my 94 year old friend to give to her cat, and of course, it loved it. A box of 8 tins is on an introductory offer at the moment, and it is below half price. I went in to buy another couple of boxes for her. A woman in front of me was being led by s black labrador dog, and it was keen to check out the food shelves and the toys. There is a veterinary surgery to the right just after the entrance, and the woman turned the dog towards the vets. Well that was it! The dog went flat on its stomach, and shoved it legs out in a star formation, and it refused to move. I know just how it felt, as I feel the same way about modern hospitals with their infections, brainwashed staff and poisonous drugs.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: gentlemand on July 15, 2020, 02:03:47 PM
Maybe, if in terms of registered accounts, there are older than you.
My account is a lot older than many people here  :D But I'm still young  ;D I'm sure there are many other people who also have large account age in this forum, it is not really important to mention. But for everyone's real age, I think there is hardly anyone older than OP. I suddenly remembered someone, it's gentlemand (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=155345)
I don't knows his current age, but I think he could be an OP competitor  :D

May I ask why you have come to that conclusion?

I constantly refer on here to my skaterboi pals and twerking on Tip Tap or whatever the fuck it's called. I have also 'cancelled' my own grandmother for being rude to her coolie.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Debonaire217 on July 15, 2020, 02:38:02 PM
Jetcash is a living proof that age should not be a hindrance in becoming aware of cryptocurrency especially bitcoin. Because there's always a thought that bitcoin will be for younger generations. Partly true, they might already have poor eyesight and difficulty in absorbing new technology. Grandpa Jet cash, you could have great influence for people at your age. I hope you always have a good health.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 15, 2020, 02:58:15 PM
I think maturity has changed my attitude to innovations like Bitcoin. When I was younger, I would have been inside the code, and attempting to understand the whole mechanism. Now I'm more interested in the concept, and the application. When I talk to members like JackG, I realise how little I really know about Bitcoin, but I do understand how a virtual asset can have a real intrinsic value, and Bitcoin brought that home to me. Bitcoin is the only crypto that has this attribute, and that is why I believe that it will endure and grow in value. Very few people seem to appreciate this, and this is why they compare alt coins to it. There is no comparison, unless you consider gold coins to be the same as fiat bank notes of course.

This doesn't mean that alts don't have a usage value, and it is a failing of mine that I haven't spent time researching them. Project like Etherium have a strong use case, and this utility gives them value, and some of them will probably grow at a faster rate than Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: JollyGood on July 15, 2020, 08:18:26 PM
Happy belated Birthday, may you have many more happy and special days ahead of you.

Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me. I can still remember snatches from the air raids in the second world war, and it is interesting how some things make such an impression on children's minds.

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: WOPR on July 15, 2020, 11:49:13 PM
Age is just a number, Its how you feel that counts. Also staying active and fit.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on July 16, 2020, 09:40:21 AM
I thought for a long time that I would like to write to you. But my emotions overwhelm me. My grandfather is almost as old as you. But I can’t even imagine how to explain to him what bitcoin is. No way, absolutely.
My respect to you, Jet Cash!
  I bow low and take off my hat. Long-life to you, be healthy.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: casperBGD on July 16, 2020, 10:55:08 AM
I think maturity has changed my attitude to innovations like Bitcoin. When I was younger, I would have been inside the code, and attempting to understand the whole mechanism. Now I'm more interested in the concept, and the application. When I talk to members like JackG, I realise how little I really know about Bitcoin, but I do understand how a virtual asset can have a real intrinsic value, and Bitcoin brought that home to me. Bitcoin is the only crypto that has this attribute, and that is why I believe that it will endure and grow in value. Very few people seem to appreciate this, and this is why they compare alt coins to it. There is no comparison, unless you consider gold coins to be the same as fiat bank notes of course.

This doesn't mean that alts don't have a usage value, and it is a failing of mine that I haven't spent time researching them. Project like Etherium have a strong use case, and this utility gives them value, and some of them will probably grow at a faster rate than Bitcoin.

man, it is good thing to see that someone who is 78 is still active and chat on the forum, great thing
i am just over a half from there, hopefully will catch that age, and older people that i know are not usually computer fluent, could say that it is a rare thing, unfortunately, even today with all smartphones and devices, older people do not want to engage that much with computers, i would not say that as good or bad thing, just as fact


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: hilariousetc on July 16, 2020, 11:13:57 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble but I'm actually infinite  ;D.

My granddad is in his early 70s and can't even turn a PC on so congrats. Sadly he has dementia now so imagine me trying to explain bitcoin to him when he asks what it is 5 times in a day  ;D. 

Age is just a number, Its how you feel that counts.

Tell that to the judge, R Kelly  :D.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Last of the V8s on July 16, 2020, 11:22:32 AM
Do you conform to any of the stereotypes associated with the greatest generation such as racism or sexism, and do you wear mostly grey clothes?


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 18, 2020, 07:03:19 AM
Yesterday I went to the naturist beach to get some vitamin "D" and iodine etc. I don't have grey skin, so, no, I don't wear grey clothes. I used to wear a stiff collar, suit and black shoes when I worked for the London Stock Exchange, but that was before it went digital. ( and I worked on the implementation of that ).

I'm definitely sexist - women are interesting and more fun, so I discriminate in their favour.

I'm anti-anti-racist. The anglophile elite that rule most of the western world are extreme racists, and they use anti-racism to keep racism alive to preserve their elite superiority. I don't believe in racism or genocide, but I don't have to wave placards or smash windows to conceal my innate racism.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 18, 2020, 09:45:31 PM

Enjoy your coffee.
Are you a Costa lover or Starbucks or just a local one?

they use anti-racism to keep racism alive to preserve their elite superiority.
Very true.

Additionally I would love to know your view about English ruling others (counties/continents). Ex. India.



Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 19, 2020, 06:38:07 AM
First point is that it isn't the English that are the rulers, but the Anglophile empire. England is as much a subject as many other countries tha are ruled through the City of London. This has become a supra-national entity these days.

I  believe that every country should have a democratic right to determine its own destiny and rule of law. Note that this does not include authoritarian elected regimes like the EU, and the City of London, and various other high profile countries. I don't support the use of America as the patsy to try to force changes in countries with elected governments that the ruling elite don't like. The sooner that the US can gain independence from Washington, the sooner we will be able to move towards world peace. But this will need to include a move away from globalisation. Washington is now a tool if the Anglophone empire, as is Westminster. Donald Trump seems to be trying to regain American independence, but he is his own man, and I wonder about his real objectives.

The greatest problem we face at the moment is not the virus, but the toxic debt mountain, and the virus is being used to increase this, and thus to collapse the world economy. Hopefully we can move the rebuilding away from the Anglophile empire, and nations can free themselves from central banks and the associated debt slavery.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: JayJuanGee on July 19, 2020, 09:11:03 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me. I can still remember snatches from the air raids in the second world war, and it is interesting how some things make such an impression on children's minds.

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.

Without giving any kind of exact specifics (you should know better Jet Cash... hahahahaha :D :D :D), I am not even going to attempt to compete with you on age, so in that sense you got me beat by a generation.. and so surely, in some  sense you are very lucky to have lived to a ripe ole age, and surely you start to consider your mortality more and more as you get older, perhaps some age-related issues come along, and likely you begin to witness more and more people who are your age or younger passing on.

In late 2013, when I first got into bitcoin I was thinking about bitcoin as a 1-2 year investment minimum, but then surely willing to consider the possibility of investing on a longer timeline 4-5 years, or even more than 10 years, but those longer timelines would be contingent on BTC performance as compared with other assets, and perhaps other ongoing fundamentals, including factors related to my own self that might change with the passage of time, such as cashflow, risk tolerance, time and abilities to manage, plan and reallocate and trade.

Probably in the past year or maybe a bit longer, I have rethought the blanket recommendations that I have been giving to anyone who ask me about whether they should invest in bitcoin or get involved in bitcoin.

Currently, my blanket recommendation would be to invest 1% to 10% of your investable quasi-liquid assets into bitcoin, so long as you perceive your investment timeline to be a minimum of 4-5 years, and if your minimum investment timeline is  between 1-4 years, then I would recommend 1-2% of your investable quasi-liquid assets into bitcoin.  If your timeline is less than 1 year, I would recommend NOT investing anything into bitcoin (except to the extent that you perceive yourself as a gambler).

So, getting back to age, anyone who starts to get into their more elderly years, should be more seriously considering their actual timeline, and whether they have any health issues that might cause them to have shorter timeline expectations, and of course, health issues could come at any time, but getting into your 70s, by itself, becomes a factor by itself, even if you have not experienced any previous significant or meaningful health factors that are personally affecting you.

Anyhow, I will repeat my congratulations that you have reached your later 70s, and since you did not mention anything even generally regarding your health, I am going to presume (I have not yet read through the thread posts) that there was not necessarily anything that you thought would be relevant to this particular topic to bring up in OP, which seems to be a positive revelation, in and of itself.

By the way, (since the forum has been around for more than 10 years), I would bet that there have to be a decent number of forum members, who are more elderly than you, and of course, when anyone invests into bitcoin (and I don't really care to account for the considerations of the shitcoin investors) at such age they either may have had a longer term investment thesis and just gotten older along the way or maybe they were investing for a shorter-term and then just transitioned into a longer-term investor.  Surely, the younger investors are going to consider some of the timeline matters, differently, and more elderly investors would be more likely to be considering either moderate investing into BTC or even cashing out strategies, whether incrementally or lump sums.

edit: By the way, I read a few more of the subsequent posts (still reading) after OP, and I see that there are a lot of members that believe bitcoin is about tech rather than about sound money, which is part of the framing regarding what potential issues that bitcoin might present to an older user, as compared with a younger user.  Personally, I say fuck that, even though there is surely some technical aspect in regards to bitcoin, including the fact that you cannot feel it or see it, like you can a gold bar, but anyhow, bitcoin remains an asset that concerns the understanding of sound money and having some ability (whether young or old) to appreciate how bitcoin is scarce and solved the double spend problem.

edit2: Read through all of the posts, now.  I see that so far no one has given you, Jet Cash, any competition in regards to chronological age, and sure I will concede that there is likely some questions regarding whether people are interested in learning new things as they get older, so a further thought would have been that you were a bit passed your mid-60s when bitcoin's white paper was released, and surely none of us are omni-clairvoyant regarding all of the happenings in the world, so perhaps, you did not even learn about bitcoin until sometime prior to registering your bitcoin talk account, but even then, whether young or old, sometimes it can take a few introductions before any person decides to act upon the information that they have learned (bitcoin in this case).  I personally was in the market of looking for an investment that was something like gold, but not quite gold, when I found out about bitcoin in late 2013, so in that regard, I was highly susceptible to being drawn into bitcoin right from my early introduction into it, and so I developed and tweaked an investment plan soon thereafter .. which continues to be tweaked from time to time, but such plan is more solidified after having had been in bitcoin for over 6.5 years, now.  But you, Jetcash, may have well been already in your 70s when you started to get active in bitcoin, whether involvement in the forum, investment or a combination of those activities.... I do like to hear those kinds of "getting involved" stories, and of course, your age puts a new kind of interesting twist on considering what your motives and practices would have been and/or how you continue to treat your bitcoin investment in terms of your age... acknowledging that some people do actually invest in bitcoin and consider heirs rather than considering or planning their own liquidation strategies based on age (and inevitable desk...  some even argue that death is not inevitable.. and I have not seen any actual real life examples of that, so far - especially in humans....  hahahahahahaha).


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 20, 2020, 07:22:33 AM
Thanks again to everybody for the kind words in this thread.

>..<

Bitcoin and a persons age is an interesting topic, and maybe I should put together some thoughts about it for the over 70s. You can't just look at chronological age, but have to consider mental and biological age as well. Then there are the health issues, and financial status. I have a friend in her 90s, and she has a spare £50,000 in cash in the bank, and she is not sure what to do with it. She was going to give it to a donkey sanctuary, but I have discouraged her from that. In fact Bitcoin could be an interesting intellectual stimulus for her, and a way for her to gain some computer knowledge, but she is unlikely to want to spend the time, and would rather read about old naval and military battles. I suggested gold Britannias, bur she considers gold to be too speculative. :)

An interest in Bitcoin has been good for me, as it has helped me to understand the concept of hard virtual assets, and it seems that most people in crypto don't really understand why Bitcoin is the only hard virtual asset in crypto. It is a hard asset because it is not centralised, and is not dependent solely on its utility for its value.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: lucky80 on July 20, 2020, 02:01:29 PM
An interest in Bitcoin has been good for me, as it has helped me to understand the concept of hard virtual assets, and it seems that most people in crypto don't really understand why Bitcoin is the only hard virtual asset in crypto. It is a hard asset because it is not centralised, and is not dependent solely on its utility for its value.

The concept of virtual assets is only for particular people with an open mind. I believe we all here were chosen not only for ourselves but to broadcast this beautiful invention. A hard virtual asset? wow ok, I can live with that. Glad you define it out.

I had experienced difficulties at the beginning of introducing bitcoin, and only 3 of my friends and one cousin were interested and involved. I have zero knowledge, but thankfully I found this forum. I study and answer their questions or invite them directly here. However, many of my friends were asking how to jump in today. 

I am curious about what your family and friends think about bitcoin when you tell them for the first time?


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: CarnagexD on July 20, 2020, 02:14:36 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday

Belated happy birthday!!! I hope that I reach that age because I want to live longer. That's the reason why even when I'm still young, I invested in using bitcoin because I know that bitcoin will give me a bright future bitcoin will secure my needs in the future. I'm just enjoying my adult life. I believe that you have done a lot of things and you will do more until you become a wiser man. Wishing you a good health and more power. Hopefully, you become more successful in life and you achieve your goal.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: JayJuanGee on July 20, 2020, 02:56:38 PM
Thanks again to everybody for the kind words in this thread.

>..<

Bitcoin and a persons age is an interesting topic, and maybe I should put together some thoughts about it for the over 70s. You can't just look at chronological age, but have to consider mental and biological age as well. Then there are the health issues, and financial status. I have a friend in her 90s, and she has a spare £50,000 in cash in the bank, and she is not sure what to do with it. She was going to give it to a donkey sanctuary, but I have discouraged her from that. In fact Bitcoin could be an interesting intellectual stimulus for her, and a way for her to gain some computer knowledge, but she is unlikely to want to spend the time, and would rather read about old naval and military battles. I suggested gold Britannias, bur she considers gold to be too speculative. :)

An interest in Bitcoin has been good for me, as it has helped me to understand the concept of hard virtual assets, and it seems that most people in crypto don't really understand why Bitcoin is the only hard virtual asset in crypto. It is a hard asset because it is not centralised, and is not dependent solely on its utility for its value.

Gold seems to be less speculative than bitcoin (don't get me wrong, I am saying fuck gold, but if the 90-year old is calling gold "too speculative", that should be a signal of the direction of her thinking), even though bitcoin surely has a higher upside potential (that may or may not play out), but I would not recommend any 90 year old into putting much if anything into bitcoin especially if she is considering gold to be "too speculative" which means that she does not want to engage in much if any risk, currently.. which makes a lot of sense for a 90 year old to be thinking in terms of low risk investments, if making any investments.  

Surely, if she is concerned about a donkey sanctuary, she might give part of her £50k to a donkey sanctuary, but maybe she could put another part of that £50k into a bitcoin trust for donkeys..  

Of course, some things can be more complicated than preferred, and if her money is in cash, sometimes there would be a preference to spend it in the least complicated way by directly giving to the donkey matter.  There are likely not too many 90 year olds that might want to learn about bitcoin if they have had so far shown little to no interest in it, and while they have other more pressing interests, too... so I find it difficult, whether someone is 90 years old or some other age, to attempt to get them interested in a topic that they have not already expressed interest.... so for example, if you mentioned bitcoin, and the 90 year old does not perk up with any kind of interest, but if you mention donkeys or military ships, or military battles, and she gets all excited and animated, then it would not be fair to impose your own interests onto such persons whether 90 or some other age, especially, if they are not even showing any interest in such bitcoin topic.

Personally, I doubt that bitcoin really needs much, if any, marketing, and with the passage of time, including the Lindy effect dynamics, value and even mindspace is ongoingly likely to continue to gravitate in bitcoin's direction.. but it still could take quite a bit of time, and surely a large number of people seem to pay way more attention to bitcoin during exponential price explosions rather than consolidation periods, and exponential price growth does not seem to be our current state of bitcoin price dynamics, but could be something that happens in the coming year or two..... I suppose many bitcoin HODLers expect such bitcoin price explosion to happen soon, while such major question is still waiting to play out.  I would feel bad for the 90-year old, if i was pushing bitcoin on her, and then her investment into bitcoin were to go in the opposite price direction during her remaining years (with a pretty BIG risk of deteriorating health during such coming years).


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Pmalek on July 20, 2020, 07:18:13 PM
I could always tell from your posts that you belong to the older generations, but honestly, I would never had guessed that you were almost 80. I respect your willingness to learn. Probably a lot of stubbornness as well. I watch my parents and how much they struggle with basic mobile phone functionalities, and here is a man their age who is familiar with Bitcoin. Inspirational!


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 22, 2020, 10:02:10 AM
I'm taking advantage of the good weather to clear dome of the detritus from my past. It isn't making much money for me, but it is making me feel a lot happier and independent. I think I'm going to commit to a full time life as a digital nomad as well, and I might start a thread about that. Internet connectivity and power sources are a big part of such a life, and I've learn a lot over the past months. The first step is a new battery for the notebook, and I've just spent nearly £40 on a new Ninja Pro. That's half the price of an HP original, and it seens to offer a bit more power. It has some good reviews as well, and I liked the fact that it uses Samsung cells. If I am happy with it, I might try to repair the old battery.

The HP netbook is great since I installed Ubuntu on it, but the disk and screen are a bit small, and it isn't easy to upgrade. The notebook has a spare memory slot, so I can double the ram, and I have already bought an SSD to use instead of the HDD with Windows 10 on it. I will probably switch to the new Linus Mint with Cinnamon, so I would welcome any comments about that. This will return to being my main computer.

Long term, I think the answer is a Raspberry Pi with solar power, but that is a few months away.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: vapourminer on July 22, 2020, 12:09:51 PM
can Chromebooks run ubuntu? never had one but they are very low power iirc. might be worth looking for one.

might be a bit more powerful that a pie, plus fully self contained.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 22, 2020, 12:20:53 PM
My first "notebook" as a nomad was a Chromebook, and it is usable when WiFi is available. I ended up giving it to my partner though, as it really is very limited. You can run it under Ubuntu, but it is not as good as the HP netbook I bought. This came with Windows 10, but I wiped that and installed Ubuntu, and it works well. It was also slightly cheapen that the Chromebook. The main problem with both of them was/is the inability to change the hard drive or increase the memory. The notebook I have is a Core i5, and is probably powerful enough for web site maintenance, and most of the other things I do at the moment.

I'll try a bit of video editing, and based on my experiences, I'll probably decide on an improved system in the future. Linux Mint with Cinnamon looked like a good replacement for Windows 10, but I haven't started to use it yet.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: LoyceV on July 22, 2020, 12:32:56 PM
The HP netbook is great since I installed Ubuntu on it, but the disk and screen are a bit small, and it isn't easy to upgrade. The notebook has a spare memory slot, so I can double the ram, and I have already bought an SSD to use instead of the HDD with Windows 10 on it. I will probably switch to the new Linus Mint with Cinnamon, so I would welcome any comments about that. This will return to being my main computer.
I've used old netbooks for years, until it really got too slow for me. With 1 (and later 2) GB RAM and a SSD Linux Mint worked fine, but the old Atom CPU was very limiting. I now only use it for backups (also because the screen literally broke off).


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Timelord2067 on July 24, 2020, 03:14:33 AM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me. I can still remember snatches from the air raids in the second world war, and it is interesting how some things make such an impression on children's minds.

Happy Birthday @Jet Cash - my own father turned 80 on Monday so I've spent the week away from BCT whilst doing things with him.

Having been born in 1940 in England he's always told us stories of the bombers going overhead (both ways) as well as once being in school when a bomber came down (about to crash) pulled up at the last moment, went up over the school then crashed on the other side of the school.  Yes, it's true childhood memories of the war have left an indelible mark on my father's whole life.

I've found people my own age just don't get the sciences or technology in general - they know how to swipe up or down (or left and right) but aren't interested in behind the curtain (and I weep for the generation that's come after me for wanting someone else to do the swiping L-R U-D for them), so I take my hat off to you for being of an earlier age when all people wanted to know about the world around them.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Cryptoababe on July 24, 2020, 05:07:58 PM
OMG Jet Cash is a grandpa.. Your age is far far from the age of someone I can imagine to be on Bitcointalk forum.
Being 78 and still been able to see things here and relate with people means you will be very strong as a teenager. It's quite amazing to know your age. You should probably be one one the oldest member


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Deepakkumar9 on July 25, 2020, 09:17:37 AM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me. I can still remember snatches from the air raids in the second world war, and it is interesting how some things make such an impression on children's minds.

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.
nice to know that we have some very expirenced old members on the forum , i am just 20 year old , it will take somsthing like 58 years to reach there 🙂


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: tvplus006 on July 25, 2020, 11:06:41 AM
There are 9 round columns, each of which has: (number), what number is in it...!
If this can be answered, I'm sure, the age of @Jet Cash is now;.........!

This test is not related to visual acuity. This is a common test for color blindness, which has no age restrictions. I'm glad I passed your test perfectly) Although it is difficult for me to make out the numbers without using glasses, despite my earlier age.

nice to know that we have some very expirenced old members on the forum , i am just 20 year old , it will take somsthing like 58 years to reach there 🙂

You will be able to witness many more bitcoin forks.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 28, 2020, 12:38:14 PM
I found this picture of me at a vintage fair. The beard comes and goes, and I get the odd haircut. :)

http://rnage.com/css/empress-of-india.jpg


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: JayJuanGee on July 28, 2020, 04:42:47 PM
I found this picture of me at a vintage fair. The beard comes and goes, and I get the odd haircut. :)

http://rnage.com/css/empress-of-india.jpg

You are a tractor? 

Holy shit!


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: vapourminer on July 28, 2020, 04:53:23 PM
I found this picture of me at a vintage fair. The beard comes and goes, and I get the odd haircut. :)

http://rnage.com/css/empress-of-india.jpg

You are a tractor? 

Holy shit!

yeah that obviously fake human shaped cutout propped up next to him threw me off too. misdirection at its finest.

i would post a pic of me but as i am a highly classified experimental attack helicopter, i am not to be seen.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: JayJuanGee on July 28, 2020, 05:57:29 PM
I found this picture of me at a vintage fair. The beard comes and goes, and I get the odd haircut. :)

http://rnage.com/css/empress-of-india.jpg

You are a tractor? 

Holy shit!

yeah that obviously fake human shaped cutout propped up next to him threw me off too. misdirection at its finest.

i would post a pic of me but as i am a highly classified experimental attack helicopter, i am not to be seen.

Yeah right.   ::) ::)

Sure, "technically," you do happen to meet such a self-description, but pics of you have already leaked out a long time ago... and yeah, many of us in this forum, who have known you for a while, have been all trying to be nice to you, including not breaking your opsec or delivering hard newses to uie, so I did blur out some of your identifying parts.. just as a kind of long-time acquaintance on the interwebs courtesy. #nohomo.  You will thank me later.  ;)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/04fI8eWoxFc/hqdefault.jpg


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: DdmrDdmr on July 28, 2020, 06:02:34 PM
<…>
You seem to be shaving a few years off there for the gallery: That’s (seemingly) a 2016 picture...

 
Anyhow, here's a close-up, hitting the road for a ride with a couple of lads:
https://live.staticflickr.com/4898/45836042205_8b002c29a3_b.jpg


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 28, 2020, 07:55:42 PM
It could well be 2016. It was taken at a friend's vintage fair, and the last one was 3 years ago. In fact he is now a vegetable in a care home, and that is one of the reasons I don;t have the popular view of the British Health service and care homes.

The engine you posted is certainly a Marshall, but it isn't the Empress I'm afraid, and I don't recognise the guys driving it.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Lordhermes on July 28, 2020, 08:05:16 PM
I have never thought user of this age still enabling themselves to internet, oh, you a grandpa @jetcash, your age is a blessed one and I hope to inspire your conspiracy of life. Guess, you older than my dad with difference of 2 years. You blessed.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: vapourminer on July 28, 2020, 10:20:55 PM
my dad was still building and upgrading computers into his 70's. plus still into ham radio.

he helped me build my 1st custom PC, a 386SX back in the day (he had given me his IBM AT before that.. thats a 80286 for those younger folks). we kept each other up to speed in various tech till he passed away. we were also in a quake clan together for a long while.

never stop learning.

Jet Cash, keep on doing what youre doing. youre too young to stop playing with tech. or anything else for that matter.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 30, 2020, 01:30:43 PM
One of the problems that I have is in understanding modern statistical methods.. I've just looked in on the tech board, and I'm lost. I started to read the thread about Pollard's kangaroo method, and I'm struggling. I understand random walk theory and Brownian movement, but everything seems to have moved so far away from the basics - which were advanced in my school days.

Maybe we should have a pensioners' board here. :)


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: ChiBitCTy on July 30, 2020, 07:26:18 PM
Happy blated 78th Jet, it's always kind of interesting to find out how old other members are whom you interact with.  I don't know why, it's not like it matter but still kinda is  :D.  I'm right around half your age.  Any suggestions for the second half of my life lol.. buy more bitcoin perhaps.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Timelord2067 on July 30, 2020, 11:49:43 PM
I like the traction engine pics that have been posted here.  There used to be a few in various parks around Brisbane, (Toowong, Kangaroo Point, Ithica Park etc) but they all got quietly taken away due to Occupational Health etc (that and asbestos inside their boilers rusting away).  The same fate saw a couple of Steam Locomotives removed from Ithica Park & Spring Hill as well as the B.C.C. are too afraid to have anyone climbing on such structures.  Not that anyone ever fell off of such things.

The last couple of years the RNA Ekka have had a hand-full of Traction engines under steam parked along Gregory Terrace during the Ekka, including one stripping corn from the cob, but alas, there's no Ekka this year.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on July 31, 2020, 07:59:14 AM
>..<

I think a lot of Australian tractors and agricultural equipment has been exported to England. Australia has quite a dry atmosphere, and this helps to preserve the metal work. I know of at least two engines, and a wood burning tractor that are local to me, and came from Australia. One of the engines came in pieces, and the farmer is restoring it.  The wood gas burning tractor was really interesting, and I wish I could have spent more time talking to its owner.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Casdinyard on July 31, 2020, 01:43:29 PM
Last month I has my 78th birthday, is there anyone here who is older than me. I can still remember snatches from the air raids in the second world war, and it is interesting how some things make such an impression on children's minds.

Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.

Sir can we know your background? I mean what was your job and how did you last for 78 years and be close to the forum, bitcoin, and cryptocurrency? I was amazed with your capability being 78 and still kicking the forum with the knowledge and experiences you share. For the past years I've seen you're post were too great and helpful. And looking that you use Kali, I see you are somehow a tech savvy, either a programmer, a hacker, or simply a bitcoin enthusiast that considers first his safety.

Enough said, Belated Happy Birthday. This post maybe too late, but fun fact that you posted this thread on my birthday lol ;D


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: MainIbem on July 31, 2020, 08:20:34 PM
Obviously I have a lot of friends who are over sixty, and not many seem to be able to understand the concept of virtual assets, even when I cite the examples of stories, and fiat currencies.
I must say it is an inspiration you are to many that come across this thread. At 78, you might have been in the virtual knowledge or have developed interest of virtual assets early in life.

I am not as old as that but this your post has inspired me to look ahead with firm vigor.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on August 01, 2020, 07:46:06 AM
We all develop interests in abstract concepts early in life. Speed, God and death are 3 obvious examples. Whatever their religious beliefs, I doubt if there are any people  reading this forum who have not heard of some form of God. There are advantages and disadvantages in having an advanced brain that can appreciate these concepts. Some say that whether or not God exists, an appreciation of death means that we have to create a religion with a ruling deity.

This religious creation can lead to blind obedience to flawed concepts, and we have many examples of this.
- Fiat currencies
- Peace through military dominance and the suppression of nationalism
- The health benefits of wearing face masks. :)

The extension of understanding to appreciate virtual assets seems to escape most people, and they seem to blur the distinction between real and virtual ownership. Gold is one example. If you have a gold coin in your hand, then you own it. If you have a piece of paper that says you are entitled to a gold coin, but somebody else is keeping it for you, then you don't own it. Actually the same applies to Bitcoin - if you purchase  some Bitcoin, and it is transferred to a wallet that has your name on it, but you don't have the keys to it, then you don't own the coins. All you own is a promise that may not be honoured.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Zicadis on August 01, 2020, 11:56:17 AM
Damn dude, you're pushing 80. That's pretty incredible.

I would say the average demographic on this forum is between 20-40 years old, maybe we should have a poll so we can find out?

Glad to see the older generation taking new technology and absolutely running with it. Far too many people over 50 try to avoid technology by any means necessary. I know both my parents do, and so too do those of practically everybody I know. Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin might as well be alien technology as far as they're concerned.

My advice would be to avoid all doctors and hospitals, and to work with nature to maintain your health.

Not sure about this quote though.

Most people with severe COVID19 won't fare too well without respiration (in a hospital) and one of the major reasons human lifespan's have been increasing is due to better medical technology—which you can usually only access through your primary care provider.


Title: Re: Am I the oldest member here?
Post by: Jet Cash on August 01, 2020, 01:47:56 PM
Damn dude, you're pushing 80. That's pretty incredible.


I'm not ready to push the years yet, so I guess I'm pulling 20 :)

What is severe Covid -19. It isn't really severe in my opinion. If you have severe health problems, it's probably because you've been vaccinated, or you are messing yourself up with products and poisons from the money Pharmers.