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I for one would like to re-iterate the points I have made on many previous occasions regarding the user (Vispilio) making these absolutely absurd allegations against both theymos and the forum - I think he is deluded, I think he is need of psychological assistance and I think he is an attention-seeker as well as a pathological and compulsive liar.

What are your views?

Does anybody actually believe the conspiracy theories being banded about by Vispilio?

What does Vispilio aim to achieve by spreading these types of propaganda?

Keeping freedom of speech and expression aside, should any DT or Merit Source member be allowed to spread such types of misinformation with impunity?

I don't agree with his statements, but I also see this as not worth fueling the fire either. Rather you 2 just ignore each other and move on.

Or, maybe they can share their scores with each others, this is fun :-P

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Seriously, this Vispilio gang (according to Jolly) and JollyGood things are boring now. Both party is annoyingly trying to take each other's down. We are better than this as a community.

Ok, so Vispilio has gone full cryptohunter with a tinge of extreme shitcoining conspiratardery... I think the same prescription applies here. Don't feed the troll.

Yes, I'm aware of the hypocrisy, thank you very much.

How could one argue with him if one doesn't speak the language on that very thread, anyhow would feel pointless.

Only point I care is: "The purpose of this company is Bitcoin maximalism. They are trying to keep Bitcoin's market price at maximum value for as long as it can go by using a biased and negative approach against all crypto initiatives that are promising, future or more advanced technology, bringing features that Bitcoin cannot do."

Everything has it's limits and ofcourse bitcoin cannot do everything, it can be the base along with it's technology in some areas but rest needs to be adoption, he's comparing bitcoin to ICOs and scamcoins's and I don't agree with that.

Forum conspiracies can be entertaining anyhow.

Some people think that now it is 2020 boring summer time in bitcointalk forum.
I think that some controlled fire wont hurt anyone...

PS
Machine translations are getting better and better.

I always try to avoid troll. Feeding trolls will encourage more trolls. I wouldn't agree with his statement at any cost. Theymos no need to prove that he isn't controlled by any bosses or bitcointalk has been sold or not to any company. We know what is the reality here. Honestly, if theymos was controlled by bosses or heard other users, then supposed to be banned such as troll users. But seems nothing happening with trollers because of freedom of speech.

There are a couple of possibilities here.

1) Admin used to be very vocal about the trust system, experimenting, blacklisting, sending mass pm's etc. Now since about over a year he is totally silent despite the system completely falling apart (except for making 1-2 very general statements that have only diplomatic value), do you ever wonder why (please save the totally hollow argument that he doesn't want to interfere etc, staff and admin were very happy to interfere and take bold decisions in Bitcointalk's brighter days, what changed?) ?

2) Grossly incompetent characters with no qualifications or skill sets in any field have mysteriously achieved deep DT1 status. Case in point, jolly NPC; furthermore they are disenfranchising entire sections of the forum and many innocent parties with their toxic negative rating spam.
People come forth and repeatedly prove that they are making a mockery of the trust system and the forum, nothing happens... Total silence from said admin, who was supposed to have inherited this legendary forum from satoshi himself...

Conclusion: either i) admin just doesn't care about the greatly damaged forum anymore, thinks it's beyond help

ii) he is instructed by someone or an organization to let things remain corrupt and broken as they are, because of some ulterior motive and vested interests.

I've read some of theymos' writings on Meta and Politics and have conversed with him, and knowing the intellectual that he is I can guarantee there must be something unnatural going on that is keeping a well versed intelligent guy from interacting with the very forum that was entrusted to him...



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ps. the only people calling me "troll" etc are the exact same people I've outed here as corrupt nepotist bad actors, and some burgeoning campaign managers after their own petty agendas, it's a joke really, the leading crypto forum should be better than this.

Anyways if the number 1 guy who is supposed to be responsible for the leading crypto forum doesn't even give a damn, I couldn't care less, feel free to jerk each other off ad nauseam and watch as the rest of the world decisively ignores Bitcointalk more and more every day.

It's a shame really because I've interacted with truly intellectual people and specialists here, who are pushed off the radar because of dishonorable pawns that have taken up residence here like the OP, lauda and all of their handlers...


oh by the way, also this:



Once again I ask (rhetorically I admit  ;D ), and maybe this time @theymos can at the very least explain WHY he is silenced:

Is it worth it to scare away tens of thousands of innocent people (at least, over the years) from participating in a crypto forum just so a very corrupt handful few can take over the DT system to rest assured they are going to continue to get paid signature salaries, and their fake ratings will always remain green...

I tend to agree with that, though I do find those claims interesting to say the least.  Vispilio obviously thinks there's some grand conspiracy afoot, the details of which border on lunacy.

Funny I haven't seen cryptohunter and his posse of alt accounts posting for a while now.  That schizophrenic gang of trolls had some ideas that were almost as strange as Vispilio's, and their hatred and distrust of the DT list were very similar.  You don't suppose they're on a plane to Turkey, do you?

I only have the gumption to respond to one of your points, so I picked this one at random.  I'm not sure what kind of skill sets or experience one ought to have in order to be on the default trust list.  It seems to me that the main thing would be that you'd have to be a member with a history of being trustworthy (in whatever way that would be measured).  And yeah, the entire trust system falls short quite often, but DT members who get caught making some wrong calls as far as leaving feedback or doing something sketchy tend to get booted pretty quickly. 

Theymos's last change to the DT system which has members rotating in and out has had some mixed results as far as I've seen.  I kind of prefer the way it used to be, but even that had some serious flaws. 

I'm curious as to where all this vitriol directed toward the forum is coming from, Vispilio.  Is it because of the Chipmixer campaign or just the persecution complex you have which leads you to think the entire Turkish section is just a collection of victims of various offenses. 

False. Something is happening. Some of these people are getting excluded albeit slowly and often with a lot of noise.

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It's not at all a complex but a provable phenomenon, and like I said I personally couldn't care less. I actually sympathize with some of the DT1 cultists here, I know many of them would struggle greatly to find gainful employment in a post-covid world where even under normal circumstances their primary livelihood seemed to be Bitcointalk.

I know theymos likes charity work and he is rewarding old school members generously who have been around a long time, toiling day in day out to increase the hits and engagements of the forum, that's all understandable; however there are some menacing consequences to this blatant nepotism especially when things take a very corrupt nature and start infringing on innocent people's rights and dignity.

Just 1 example because I really have to go and cannot spend the whole night saving an internet forum when even the admin himself seems to have given up:

Kalemder from the Turkish section really had heart problems and had to take time off for about a month after the recent drama surrounding him and getting kicked out of Chipmixer due to false accusations against him (edited note: numerous valuable Turkish members with great jobs and expertise left the forum altogether never to come back citing similar traumatic / psychological stress developed here)...

It might be a toxic game to some NPC trolls here, but 1500 USD / month is real money in most of the 3rd world, and the PTSD is causing real health issues to some members, so how far is the price of this nepotism going to run ?

Is it enough for the admin to interfere when some innocent members develop medical issues related to defamation and libel encountered daily on Bitcointalk, or should someone need to die from mobbing before the administration decides maybe it's time to do something ?..



At least 10 people I know personally had to wipe their trust lists after constant abuse they received from you, your friends and various trolls on Reputation and via pm's. Most of the rankings on that list would be inverted if this were a secret ballot system and an independent member did not face tremendous stress and coercion from the DT1 cult for simply filling out a trust list.


All right, with that said, I don't think I need to respond any further to this thread as most of the arguments will likely be derivatives of issues already clearly demonstrated for the staff's and admin's benefit multiple times. If they really care about the wellness and utility of Bitcointalk, there is more than enough evidence here to propel any intelligent independent human being to action.


All the Best

I don't want to derail this thread with posts that might be a tad bit off-topic, but for the life of me I can't remember the details of that particular drama--was he removed from Chipmixer because he got a neg from a DT member?  And are you saying that incident caused or at least exacerbated his heart condition? 

No doubt that's true--getting booted from the Chipmixer campaign would be a kick in the pants to anyone, wherever they live (though I realize it's much worse if you're living in a 3rd world country).  However, everyone here should realize that these campaigns shouldn't be considered to be a permanent fixture of the forum, and they could end at any time. 

If you're relying on earnings from signature campaigns to support yourself, you're living precariously to say the least.  They're a great thing while they last, but there's no telling how long that's going to be for.  Nor should you have any expectations from the campaign owners, the managers, or the forum itself.  Whether you get any payment from a campaign is subject to the whims of a number of people and various other factors, and things aren't always fair (as I'm sure you know). 

I'd also point out that Kalemder wasn't the first member to be kicked out of a campaign; he won't be the last; and there's not necessarily a conspiracy going on because of what happened.

That post he made about conspiracy theories was originally posted in the Turkish language board before being re-posted along with translation by a member in a the global board. That was where I noticed it and thought that was way over the top even for the most loony of attention-seekers so wanted to see what members here think about the absurd allegations but other than that I do have him on my ignore list.


I think you make a valid point, I never engaged with cryptohunter but remember hearing about him from several users as and when his name came up in a conversation and Vispilio really seems to have gone full cryptohunter in that respect.


It was not translated online  ;D

The translation came from a user in a different thread when the allegation of some company buying the forum to control and manipulate the price of Bitcoin as well as do other things was made by Vispilio. I thought it was a good idea to put it to the community here and see what they think because I find it absurd that he or anyone would say that theymos is being controlled by bosses among other things...


I agree, it would be a mistake for theymos to respond to these ridiculous allegations but that does not mean he should not know what is going on when DT and Merit Source users are spreading propaganda of this level.

As you said, we know the reality, there are no conspiracy theories and there are no bosses controlling theymos and obviously no company has purchased this forum with hidden agendas but freedom of speech allows him to peddle his imaginary conspiracies freely here.

Proof of JollyGood being an NCP troll. He believes there are groups and cliques, also agree about them having made there policy to attack DT users. On the other hand he tries do the same, start a conflict, take a revenge and get along with his abusive gang which is still trusting and supporting his feedbacks, even after multiple proves of  many of his feedbacks being nothing more than merge personal opinions which are not of any DT standard at all.

JollyGood creating this thread even shows how hungry he is of drama and to jerk off his power on other users here. None of his rambling here or anywhere even in topics other than reputations should be taken seriously.

Hmm...sounds like another conspiracy theory.
Are you retarded or something?
Read forum rules, allegations and do simple math.

No, but vispilio either didn't read this (less likely) or he has read it and he is pretending like post doesn't exist, like usual:

Sorry but that is done by most members of your side, not claiming it wasn't done by vispilio but neither that it was done.

And what members of my side did, you drunkard?

Vispilio seems to be very irate because he failed to get on the Chipmixer signature campaign so he jumped on the bandwagon with others from his local language board (who were not accepted for the campaign) to play the 'race' card. He then went a step further by writing in the Turkish language board that users from the global forum are out to get them and are racist towards them because he is attention-seeking and wants to be the centre of attention.



Even Vispilio knows there is no conspiracy but Kalemder was not kicked out of the Chipmixer campaign because he was Turkish nor was he chosen for the campaign because he was Turkish. He was probably kicked out because he was/is part of a fake trust circle and is a merit abuser.

Sorry actually, but at times it feelt you were siding with lauda and jollygood gang on some things but I guess coincidence.

users are going to agree and disagree with each other, but that doesn't mean they're part of a gang.

I know I don't always agree with the consensus.  Having a discussion on a topic is healthy for this forum. Members that disagree can post their input and user will obviously agree or disagree.

I think there are multiple conspiracy theories running around in that head Vispilio carries on his shoulders.

On many occasions he made allegations then back tracked not realising he made those comments then on other occasions he made a fool of himself in other ways. The notion that yourself, Lauda and others are part of a hit squad out to defame or discredit those that are not under control of a so-called company that owns this forum and its bosses control theymos - is just absurd.

Has anybody actually counted how many conspiracy theories that deluded individual has made?

I got bored after the 6th thread of JollyGood vs Vispilio. Maybe something more genuinely interesting will happen instead now.

Nah. This is this week's entertainment.

Sit back and enjoy.

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I made that translation so people could see how deluded that guy is. His only reason to be here is making money from the signature camps. (well, most people here are here only for this and it is not completely a bad thing) The difference is, he is not interested in joining (real) debates. He is not really interested in bitcoin neither. As you realized he can say whatever or anything if it is going to get him in the chipcamp. He can promote yobit's ponzi sig (which he did) or any other scam as long as he gets paid which is a big problem.

Joining the chipcamp is not that hard. He is too stupid to understand this.

I'll tell you how this works, raise your ears all, vispilio you too.

Be yourself, don't be an asshole, share valuable information, don't manipulate the forum's trust system, leave the rest to Darkstar and hope for the best. If you get it you get it, if you don't go find yourself a real job. You don't have a job? Life isn't fair I know.

you translating my words with your broken understanding of Turkish and elementary school English was the best post you ever made on this forum by far, and very likely anywhere else too, congratulations.

ps. Blacknavy overestimated your worth by about 50 USD, he is gonna adjust now...

This is coming from the low life who carried the yobit ponzi sig.

Anybody with a half brain avoided that shit and you failed the IQ test. I feel bad for you :(

Stick to translating my work for a while if you want a glimmer of hope for self-respect and quality employment on this planet, good luck.

He so obviously is not here for the sake of contributing positively, Vispilio is just looking for signature campaigns and is hurt because he never got on to Chipmixer. The feedback he leaves which are made in frustration, often mention "financial loss" as a cause of his frustration and revenge. He has no interest in Bitcoin or any other crypto other than what he can get for himself. He has no modelled himself as a campaign manager - who would fall for that?


I think he is way past that now, he cannot be saved as far as Chipmixer is concerned.

@theymos

What are your views about the conspiracy theories being spread around by deluded Vispilio?

- He is claiming that bosses are controlling you
- He is claiming a company purchased the forum a long time ago

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Maybe some of these things are true or at least partly, probably they aren't. If there's an investigation let it come out before speculating.

In my view, a good journalist wouldn't leak information about their investigation. Probably not even say they're investigating such matter.
But even if it was known, an investigation doesn't imply certainty on any of the claims. With no proof, I don't think there's a point for theymos to respond. It'd just lend credibility to the accusations, which are unfounded in the first place.

From my notes I identified Kalemder as having an alt in this post:


through their shared use of wallet addresses with El-Cezeri having joined the 777coin SigCamp just prior to that post.

You are probably right, theymos should not give replies to every claim but in this case he made Vispilio a merit source thus gave him responsibility in the forum and he should not have to have these types of allegations made against him.

Considering the seriousness of the allegations Vispilio made against theymos I think he should reply and address them.

Theymos likely doesn't care. Get over it 
Theymos will only care when the DT1 core scumbags collude to pull a huge scam and the authorities come asking him why after he was presented with undeniable red flags time and time again regarding his DT1 crew did he permit them to retain positions of trust they have leveraged to conduct the scam. Until then he does care how they are crushing free speech and gaming the rev streams here to their own ends.

VS and others have likely been as puzzled with some of theymos decisions so may have formed some theories or listened to some theories of others to explain his moves.

Without some credible evidence to corroborate claims I doubt theymos will give them any attention.
Would you defend every claim against you that was lacking any form of credible evidence?  And you're a broke bum who has nothing better to do or worry about. Imagine being super wealthy and having a full life?


You are simply trying to stir up shit you pathetic scammer enabling coward. 
Theymos should investigate your history then boot you off DT and delete your account.  Creating a 2 tier system here is not in keeping with the forums original purpose.

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Yes you did highlight what he did but even with that he will probably deny it and somehow try to turn this back on you by calling you a racist or worse.