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I'm not here to discourage you about bounty campaigns that are managed by the project team themselves, I'm here to tell you that you need to be extremely cautious, I've noticed that team managing campaigns themselves is not good

1. They have all the freedom of doing any how with your rewards

2. They can change certain rules that aren't reasonable, just because it's their project and they are handling the distribution they are free to do some bad things

3. Bounty Managers are very very important, you can get them nailed for not facing the team to force them to do distribution but you can't fight the team yourself

I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees things this way, or am I?

Even if the project got bounty manager still they can't force the bounty team to pay the rewards for participants if they are refusing to do.Bounty manager is also need to be an important factor that everyone should consider but don't take it for granted, do your own research on the team as well.

It looks like you must have seen the oikos bounty and it has already being managed by its own manager from the team. As long as the team can be trusted and there was no suspicious thing and it will be always profitable. Did you aware about so many people were also getting paid from that campaign too?

Bounty managers are the only thing standing in between hunters and project team, it's bounty managers job to make sure they bounty hunters get paid for their work but sometimes when the team starts behaving weird there is nothing the bounty manager can do about it.

I like what bounty detective team are doing presently, there is no going back once a bounty got introduced by bounty detective because they use escrow, they handle the distribution at their own convenient time, you don't have to worry about not getting paid because all tokens are in bounty detective hand

points that are very true and a lot of bounty hunters who have felt this, if bounty is managed by the project team at the present time there is always a lot of drama for example like trimming allocations, kyc requests that should not be there, delaying bounty rewards that are actually scheduled and delays can after a few months, and  the worse they refuse to pay bounty reward, and it is better to follow the project handled by the bounty manager who is not from the project team because they seem to be more trustworthy.

Good for those who promoted the first round of Oikos bounty campaign but I heard it turned into a very bad situation when the bounty manager of Oikos try to make bounty hunters to keep promoting with another 4 weeks duration after adding extra 4 weeks before, its a bad idea letting team conduct a bounty campaign seriously

Bounty managers sometimes still fall out with team and the hunters suffers. Bounty hunting is really not guaranteed, BM can be given token upfront but the coin might end up useless if the project does not progress

You could have said that because the OP account of the bounty thread uses the name of the project. Well, sometimes the team still employ someone on the forum the manage the campaign, because they could not have done it effectively by themselves, because of their little or no knowledge on how the forum operates. If using employing someone on the forum would maintain the integrity of the project, it means it works for those who do it in that form. Oikos turned out to thread the hunters well, so it could be that that was the method used.

Allowing project team can be a very bad idea but not every time, past bounty projects shows that some bounties that were managed by the team did very well and every hunters were paid and some turn worse, it's all still going to end in the same ways, some teams are bad and some bounty managers aren't much of a difference

Yes, it's indeed true, bounties which can be managed by their own team have always come with new rules and they are not active like bounty managers group. Because it's not their work and they don't even need to try it by managing themselves. So basically it should be done by bounty manager not the team itself for better results.

True, nowadays bounty campaigns are not doing well as most of the projects use bounty hunter as a bait for free advertisements and delay the payment until the token is dumped by investors and then distributes worthless tokens that's why we need to be careful before joining bounty and we should always join bounties run by reputed bounty managers or team like bounty detectives who guarantee the tokens as its escrowed. Bounty managers are also victim of manipulation by the owners sometime.

Risks will always be present when it comes to promoting new projects, sometimes you might decide to start promoting projects that are trading on exchanges and before bounty campaign ends the token have lost huge value, risks is involved and will always be this way, if you aren't prepared for this then you aren't fit to be a bounty hunter

Its true that bounty campaigns managed by team can bring unpleasant results, there won't be anything standing between hunters and the team, whatever they do to you it can't be used against them because you see everything clearly before joining the campaign, better follow bounty manager than taking this high risk path

Not all of them are like that but many of them are.

You have all the means to choose the bounty you are going to join. You're the ones that will decide which bounty you'll be facing and joining with your participation.

In the beginning, if you see that they are no good in managing, you are free to leave and join another.

I agree on all your points between an independent manager and a project by their team I always prefer independent manager, because they will always serve the cause and interest of the project, they will never guaranty anything, they can always change the rules to favor them, so beware of projects like this that are managed by the project.

For me, i think Bounty campaigns managed by the team are always good and easy, if i bring into account pnk tokens; the kleros project, it was a fascinating, easy to do Bounty.

But still it is up to us as individuals to choose which Bounty to join, do your own research and decide

There are pros and cons if the bounty campaign is managed by projects team member:

Cons - he might be not as professional and experienced as bounty managers from the forum.
Pros - he is on short leg with the project. If hunter does not understand something, he might quickly receive a help (in case there is no ANN topic).

There will be problem if the project failed to raise softcap and they want to proceed in launch, meaning the team will never release the exact amount they promised or have already on spreadsheet, it's what's happening with bitwings project presently

I think it's a project to project-based there are projects where the manager belongs to their team and able to satisfy the needs of all participants, like Oikos there was an issue in the past, but they managed to resolved it and they have distributed the token to their participants like they've promised, if the team is reputable I don't think there will be an issue at all.

I can understand what you mean, and all of them are actually true, but ofcourse only for some of bounties. I have been experienced the same thing so many times, and the worst case is the project are not paying out the participant and acting like the bounty are never happened. The best scenario of bounty are it's being managed by high-trusted bounty managers, and the bounty funds are already being escrowed.

To be honest, bounty managers are not some kind of god that you should completely trust them just because they ain't from the team. Maybe only the good and trusted bounty managers could really make sure your profit but I don't put the very well-know bounty managers on the same level of bounty project managed by the team themselves.

There are some of their bounty projects they don't have total control, like Basic Finance project they promoted last time, bounty hunters made several complaints against the distribution by the team and Bounty Detective said they can't do anything aside the issue because the team project were the ones in charge of distribution, some hunters completed their KYC and were denied access to their login into their account.

This is not necessary the case, sometimes even if a member of the team manages a bounty that bounty can still come out great depending on the project, I think there are few successful campaigns managed by team, between, if you look at it from the bm perspective, the bm only managed the bounty and has nothing to do with reward distribution so if a team will behave bad they can still do it even if the campaign was managed by a bm.

Most of your points apply to all bounties, not just the ones that are managed by the team.

Very few bounty managers take control of the rewards before they begin the bounty. Therefore the team can simply do whatever they like at any point, and the bounty manager will have little to no say in the matter since they don't hold the coins.

The only way you can effectively avoid these issues is if you only participate in bounties where the rewards are escrowed by the manager or someone else impartial.

Are you sure that you have noticed all team managing campaigns themselves are not good? All of them? or only some of them? Please do more research about it.
And please see on my signature. It is Bestchange. You know, Bestchange team does their own campaign managing and they are really profesional, legit, pay all of the participants very well, provide trusted and also professional participant selections. In fact, Bestchange (self-campaign managing) pay me with BTC, it is legit, isn't it? Can it be said that this is not good? That is why you must do more reaserch on it before judging all of them. You should say "several" or "most".

Yeah, bounty manager is good enough and they alos help us and the team to manage with professional ways. I also appreciate them because thye have worked very well and hardly.
The most important thing is not only on the BM but on the project itself. We must be careful in choosing a bounty of new projects.

I agree with you, i personally don't prefer part of the team managing the bounty campaign because they always seems to be too restrictive when it comes to awarding proper stakes for work done. Again, i noticed that it is always more easier for teams to default and delay payments when it's one of them managing the campaign.

Yes they have freedom to do it but if you trust the team why afraid? You don't need to be afraid as you can see many bounty manager show the allocation for the bounty hunter if you have doubt you can compute it so you can be satisfied that's why you are part of a hunter to react of they do wrong and manager give you satisfied answer.

When it was managing by the trusted team and the payment will be caused by it has direct cooperation to the team. You must take a look at oikos and it was getting handled by the internal (a team member) and everything can be done instantly. The communication is much easier too. there will always pros and cons.

No, you are not only person, i think many hunters also saw that in many times. I won't say that every bounty projects are bad which are managed by team themselves cause i did work some good bounty projects which also managed by team themselves. But it's true that now days it's rare to see that. I agree that BM is important because MB work like 3rd party between Team and Hunters. So they can trust each other but i also found some bounty projects that they cheat hunters after finished their campaign (but they hired a MB though). DigitalBits one of them. So hunters should choose legit projects and work with under legit MB.

Well, its all just be the same because neither the manager is part of the team or they hire one then it doesnt make a difference because if they do intently wouldnt pay  since from the start  they wont pay up until the end but somehow you do have points that bounty managers that had been hired would really able to make some follow-ups in regards of payments unless if the bm itself is a fraud then he wouldnt care at all.

Overall, bounty hunting becomes a shit activity thing to be done nowadays.Its never been worth for our time but there are still people who do keep hoping on making big  money on this one

but to tell that those golden days of bounty hunting is already over since that last bull run.

The opportunities for the project become to scam is widely open. They use newbie copper member account and they can buy it cheaply through this forum so as they are free to post anything and promote anything without worrying that the account he uses is banned.

That will be different for the project who uses legendary or reputable/trusted account in this forum. They will be very carefull to choose a project that will be promoted. They will always try to build up a positive trust in this forum in order to they have another project in the other day there will be many bounty hunter who will promote it.

I think it all depends on the project itself and not entirely on who will manage the campaign.

I have experience joining in a campaign managed by member of the team but it turn out well.

Nevertheless a trusted manager is still better to have a high chance the rewards will be given accordingly.

What' you've said are all possibilities that their team will do but some of the points you presented has been done by even independent bounty managers, the developers are the ones giving bounty managers orders on how the project will proceed, even independent bounty manager cannot break their agreement, it lies on the trustworthiness of the project.

but reputable bounty manager would make any campaigns run smoother by saving the bounty pools to escrow or to bounty manager itself, i have seen other managers to do that and most of them are paying and successful both the ieo and bounty events, but it doesnt mean you should rely on that. like you said, research for the teams behind the project is mandatory

They are doing that because they don't have any budget for marketing and to hired reputable bounty manager to manage the campaign. Instead of hiring they decide to one of them will manage it to reduce the possible cost if they hired manager. Campaign sometimes run for 3 months or more so they need to have budget for many months just for the manager alone.

My opinion regarding about bounty programs if you are a participant - don't expect you will get the reward on time and with their target price.
Even reputable BMs are being screwed by these projects, unless they will give the allotted tokens to a particular escrow before the campaign begins.
Either way, the risk is still there, unless you join a btc paying campaign. That I can say has high chance of getting paid.

Indeed, there is a little to no difference whether the bounty is managed by bounty hunter or the team itself since they will pay if they wanted to pay or turn into a scam.  I have several experience about this scenario and bounty manager mostly can't do anything whenever the project decided not to pay the participants.

Yes, I agree with your opinion. This is at least some kind of guarantee for the bounty hunters that the tokens will be paid. In addition, the detective bounty does not have a mandatory KYC check, which is also important for bounty hunters, since it does not take our time and does not create additional problems.
As for the conduct of ICO bounty campaigns by a member of their team, I really noticed that for bounty hunters it is more risky with payment and such a team member often does not understand the specifics of our activities and quite often comes up with non-standard requirements that are not related to our activities, which creates additional difficulties.

Two things are involved, it's either you are treated well or the team played you, it's still all same old risks about been a bounty hunter, you can

1. Get paid in half or full
2. Or you might not get anything at all

Either one of these will happen, if you want to be a good bounty hunter you must be ready for both the good and bad results

Doesn't matter though,

1. Even if they hire a bounty manager, they can still do anything on how the rewards will be distributed.

2. Again, the same argument, they simply tell the manager that rules have change, and in turn, bounty managers can either decline to follow it, (then they are going to be kick out) or follow what the project wants

3. Bounty managers can just put a disclaimer in the beginning that they are not responsible if the project delay or don't do distribution on time. They are just the facilitator.

There is no difference here, if the team cheat bounty hunters their btt account will get red trust just as if any bounty manager cheat hunters too, some times even team do better job than bounty managers and they pay bounty hunters just as promised

Bounty managers enjoy this freedom.But I would say it should have rules.Many bounty managers accept Hunter's payments themselves.They have nothing to do next.The Hunters receive no reward for their suffering.That's why I say bounty managers need to be honest.

One of the biggest advantages of hiring a bounty manager is that they already have access to a huge community build around them and whenever they hire that bounty manager they will instantly get access to that community.

Before a bounty manager can accept a job he must make sure he accept all conditions from the team, the bounty manager must follow exactly what the team want but let's take away the job from the bounty manager for a minute, if the team are to take over the bounty campaign won't they implement the same rules they give the bounty manager? Who so ever take the job, either BM or the team, all risks will still be available

Yes, if they hire a reputable manager in this market, they will surely receive a huge support community from them, if the project is budget-saving, they can manage themselves

That's right. I also participated in the second round and hope to get the best from the OKS team. Acutally, it's only depend on the team or BM who are honest or not on their works. Sometimes, some BM create so many accounts because multiple accounts are allowed in the forum and run more bounties without any research or don't care for the bounty hunters. Besides, there are some BM who always think for the bounty hunters not just for themselves. In the end, it's only depend on the honesty whoever manage the bounty.

I don't see much difference here, if the project has free time then I believe they will manage their own campaigns. As for distribution, I think it is completely project-dependent, managing bounty cannot influence their decisions either.

I think not all the project managed by the team are failed,there are some successful project that managed only by the team themselves. But i also encounter and experienced joining a project managed by the team and after two years still no update regarding the progress of the project but sometimes they become visible in the community to give some hope but i don't think this project will become visible in the market..still hoping.

I agree with you, bounty manager are important for manage there bounty, almost every own team managing bounty not distributed or scam i see this in my whole bounty life because if project team is fake then hunter are don’t know that hunter are don’t know which project good or which project scam, so i think bounty manager definitely important..      

I think you are misunderstanding about what has already talked above and it's about when the people from the team manage the bounty and it will much more dangerous compared with when it was managed by the bounty service. They didn't hire because the guy from their team was managing the bounty.

It's dangerous to promote projects that's been managed by team themselves, they can break their rules themselves, we noticed something like this with first round of Oikos bounty where the manager almost ruin everything, few members almost create a scam accusation about the project before the CEO fixed things himself

Yes, that’s the advantage of hiring a bounty manager coming from the forum especially if the one that been hired is already have huge community. I think it will not only help to boost the community about the project not only in the forum but in the other platform like telegram, twitter and medium. I’m sure that those bounty participants will easily make their minds to join if they know that they could trust them but all in all there still risk in the side of bounty hunters and investors. Every project could be scam not just for the beginning but also even they already launch and been launch for a long time.

not everything is like that, there are also paid managers who manage their own campaigns to be trusted, but we analyze all of them first if the rules are too complicated we better find other gift projects that are easy and trustworthy.

There is such a thing, I often saw it by myself, but unfortunately we can’t do anything about it, because we decide whether to participate in bounty companies or not, therefore, we need to make our own choices so we will not regret in our choice, so think over your decisions several times to choose the right one.

Not all bounties can be successful, it all depends on the project, it is not the bounty manager, the bounty manager only manages the marketing, if there are many bounty hunters who blame the bounty manager, it is clearly wrong.

Let me break it down

Most of the bounty campaigns have stipulated that they can change the rules anytime regardless on whose handling the campaign independent or part of their team

Yes they can do that but there will be pressure coming from bounty hunters we have the scam section and the altcoin section to prove that

I've seen so many projects doing that and it's not only the bounty hunters they are hurting but their reputation as well the recent one was Oikos they are forced to give in to the request of bounty hunters because they have an IEO to protect.

You cant force a new project not to handle their own campaign. Some team wanted to do their own and not hired external managers to save fees and also to control the budget and plan for distribution. Only few projects doing this, but sometime we can see some that turns out to be good. But I prefer a reputable manager that handle it. My signature campaign is handled by own team, but they are very professional and works like experienced campaign manager. It takes time to be efficient on doing management its just pure honesty and dedication.

even if with another bounty manager, that can still happen as long as the team holds the coin. such a thing will not happen when the team uses escrow to store coins for bounty hunters. Well, it's just that experienced bounty managers are more trusted than their own team who become bounty hunters.

Success or failure depends entirely on the project. Bounty manager is just a hired employee and helps project management campaign. I personally only evaluate and select bounty according to the quality of the project, I'm not too concerned about the campaign manager.

Team still have the final say whether handling the bounty themselves or through Bounty manager, this one of the reason bounty managers don't just accept to work with anyhow team, they first do their findings and be sure the team they are working will be honest with theirs words.

dev team prefer to reallocate bounty manager allocation to another part. and its not wrong if dev team using their human resource to manage bounty campaign and  by doing this way they save some money that used to pay Bounty manager. its good money management from dev team , and usually BM from dev team  dicipline to give an update .

I agree. I think it is still good that bounty will be managed by an external manager to give some assurance to participants. If the bounty manager is part of the team, I observed that campaigns normally gets ill-managed. This is why its good to have outside bounty managers, their experience provide assurance that the campaign will run smoothly.

I noticed that bounty projects that managed by the team themselves usually have a lower quality compared to bounty managers for hire. Sometimes, it was so bad to the point they don't even know the rules of the place need to advertising (for example, bitcointalk).

That depends on whether the project has its human resource that wanna tries to manage the campaign or not. i have seen some projects were using the manager or rent the bounty manager to do this job when the team was thinking if they need proffesional manager

I think otherwise, there are many successful bounty without the need for a professional manager. And their rules are the same at this forum, just go through a few bounty then I believe they will get the best rules

There are some bounty managers who sell their reputation in order the get higher pay day. They even break his/own rules upon by request of core team of bounty he/she is handling so it does make any matter at all. Join in those who you know that are respectable and dedicated to his job in bringing qaulty projects for his/her hunters.

reallocating budget very important for team, they will have more money to pay operational cost or maybe for salary core team.using own team for managing bounty campaign could maximize human resource usage and they will have important experienced moderating community that usually in hurry for newest update.

Yes oikos BM is a perfect example of why it's bad to join bounties managed by team themselves, they launch second round of bounty campaign last week and the BM randomly picked bounty hunters leaving too many unapproved and today they decide to left out all junior members, this is an inexperience bounty managing, toying with their own rules and wasting the time of those who joined the project last week

Yes, i agree with you, team managing campaigns themselves is not good because most are not a good project. And there are so many problems especially with distribution, sometimes distributions are too late, distribution pause, and the most serious thing, team doesn't pay bounty hunters. So bounty managers will a solution for this problem.

I think you are one of many who is not approved, Oikos signature champaign is limit for 150, so you should stop hoping

what often happens is usually the rules that change in the middle of the bounty in progress. usually becomes mandatory kyc, or backward distribution of tokens. What's worse in my opinion is when at the beginning they (the team) made a large exchange list such as binance, or etherdelta, but in the end it was listed on exchangers with minimal liquidity. it is a disappointing thing in my opinion because it does not match at the beginning, but changes occur when we are already in.

Obviously, the manager can change the rules at any time. They just want to be good for their project and fair for everyone. Now I see their update, they have expanded their budget and accepted all previous participants

I think that was in the past, I knew about Basic Finance bounty and there is no guarantee payment from bounty detective on basic finance bounty thread, you can easily know which bounty Campaign is escrowed by this bounty manager because it's visible on the bounty threads

The bounty manager is also just like us, he just get paid for the work he does for the team, but since he is higher up the food chain, so he does actually gets paid pretty hefty amount of money for the work that has to be done. But there are also demerits in being a bounty manager that he has to check a lot of participants and also this takes a lot of time and sometimes leads to an argument with some people over distribution of stakes.
Bounty managers like the head of social media marketing as they are providing the team with a lot of influencers and also a lot of reach on social media, so if the manager isn't that good then definitely the project is gonna suffer.

Bounty managers are also helpless sometimes. If the BMs don't escrow the funds, there is nothing much they (BMs) can do to aid the distribution of rewards at the end of the bounty. I have participated in various bounties managed by BMs but the distributions were done by the project teams. Some distributed the rewards while others didn't. Some that even distributed gave strict conditions while some wouldn't allow hunters to withdraw to their private wallet. All the time BMs were helpless in those scenarios.

But you need to understand that in participating a campaign the team has the right to change all the rules of the bounty at any moment given that they have noticed something fishy or in need of something.
Most of the time this is drive by the anomaly in the spreadsheet such as having an alternative account of a user, I do believe the campaign manager also have the right to suggest it to the team.

That was just the target, If it happens then good if not then try to other. Every project dreamed of being listed on an exchange that has a huge reputation in the community to gain confidence in the market.

Although the situation you are talking about is something we do not encounter very often today, I think that some regulations should be introduced by the forum management for such campaigns. First of all, I think that various measures should be taken such as limited regulation of the campaign conditions after the start of the campaign, provided that the project and the campaign managers have no connection. Unfortunately, since there are no such rules or regulations in the system of today, the project team has the control they desire under all circumstances and the campaign participants can experience victimization for this reason.

thats what i meant, even those campaigns are held by reputable managers but it doesnt mean its good at any case. its great that you can get your rewards, but does the reward really pay decently? that's a problem. so the main issue here is the project itself that you are promoting

I haven't observed this. And yes, bounty mangers are very important. But it all depends on the kind of bounty manager. If the bounty manager isn’t persuasive enough to change bounty protocols or rules in the interest of both the hunters and project, things might not go so well. There are few bounty managers who are really doing well being bounty managers. These are the ones that make much difference.

Regardless, it is important to always do your due diligence before participating in any project.

However, we cannot generalize that the bounty campaign handled by the dev team itself always ends up being a scam or disappointing. From the important points discussed by the OP, the risk could be greater because they are free to change the rules and allocations arbitrarily without regard to justice for bounty hunters. But what else can we do? bounty campaigns handled by external managers also don't necessarily guarantee that we will get a fair reward, it's all back to the dev team's decision.
Escrow is one solution to uphold justice, so this can be considered as well.

You're right. Either way, there will be a risk when we join a campaign. Do not think that campaigns managed by external bounty managers will work based on bounty hunters' benefit. However, it's right to say that bounty campaigns managed by the project team themselves have more risks for bounty hunters to join than others. There'll be a greater risk of losing our benefits before and after joining the campaign! 

All your points are leading to interpreted as possible misuse/misbehave than what they promise by the times of beginning of bounty program. It seems if we want to be staying under safer hands then it must be possible only when we choose bounties which are managed by highly reputed managers of this forum. Otherwise, getting big disappointment at the end of bounties may become inevitable.

I guess we need to add another filter in our due diligence procedures in order to ensure highly secured environment for bounty hunting; that would be not preferring to work on the campaigns which are being managed by themselves. Thanks for enlightening us regarding this, definitely helpful to me and to this community as well.

It's not all of projects were implementing the buy back method. i think that you must aware about this if even the bounty has managed by the bounty service and the team was still controlling the distribution.
What you have been saying didn't implemented by a lot of bounties.

all depends on the project management team, if the project management team has behaved strangely, then the bounty manager also cannot do anything, because the job of a bounty manager is to manage and pay from the bounty hunter.

Even they don't have the right to pay bounty hunters. The bounty manager job is to manage the campaign in the best way, and then the bounty manager will send the work results to the project and the project will make payment. It all depends on the project and the bounty manager is just a bounty hunter

Well, I think there are some really successful projects whose bounty managers come from themselves. however, this returned to the confidence of his team. it's just that, the bounty manager can also be an important point to attract participants because there are some bounty managers who are quite proficient in doing their jobs. however, the team is still invaluable in terms of bounty management, so, I think if the choice is the bounty manager of the project team, or the experienced bounty manager, of course, the choice is the experienced one.

Question is that is it safe? Bounties managed by team member is risky since you don't know what are the actual intent of the project owners. They usually hold all the power to change the rules or the token allocation themselves to turn to their favour. There have been many cases in the past where they have put wierd conditions in order to get tokens. Many participants don't like such changes so it is recommended to join third party managers.

Now they might have been successful but yeah since you don't know what they are gonna do it is recommended to stay away from them.

Not safe actually. But the hunters dont have much choice if the campaign handled by the team. OP is right, some are unfair one when dealing with rewards like they can decrease it on their own. If only we can find a campaign manager like in btc paid that handle altcoins too. I think yahoo did, but he is not handling anymore altcoins.

There are some advantage as well as disadvantages to it. First you can be sure that the team will keep their word as breaking the promise means they lose the trust of the investors even if it is bounty. 

On the flip side they might delay the release of token .

I prefer participate in Bounty campaigns hold by known Bounty Managers. They have a huge experience in holding Bounties, so they will likely to host a campaign smoothly.

they can also delay payment through BTT managers. I think that when a project team uses their person bounty managers for a bounty campaign, it’s more convenient for bounty hunters.
Because team members know more info.

The bounty manager is indeed very instrumental in a project, because the manager does the calculation and pays the bounty hunter wages, but it all depends on the ICO management, if the ICO / IEO manager is not clear then the bounty manager cannot do anything, so look for a manager who is honest and firm in managing his bounty.

Normally I am quite supportive of the bounty managers. But at the same time, they can't just say that it is all the fault of the project team. The responsibility of the bounty manager is not just limited to allocating the stakes and then distributing the bounty. He also needs to make sure that the project team is keeping with their promise on the bounty payment and development.

not really, not all of them is bad how can you generalize them all.
even some projects sometimes perform procedures quickly, I mean making payments, calculating weekly stake, and other things related to the distribution process.
it's about the individual not about the project, about behavior.

Even though bounty participants will do their search but it is not enough to give them a hint that this project is worthy or of nothing, it is probably because not all of them look so obvious a scam project. And even it looks legit that also never gives assurance either is, besides, many of them turn scam and project failure. In general, the bounty project doesn't really matter whos managing it but it matters most the quest of their project. Because if they are true with their goal/target, they will absolutely succeed.

your statement cannot be said to be exact, because there are some who don't, maybe you are unlucky and meet a bad manager.
every project that handles its own bounty, must have a special person who handles that part.
so it's a matter of someone's attitude.

Almost all bounties are looking for a team in a dream of somehow earning a little to meet daily needs, and bounty managers are looking for a way to get paid but in fact, they are often mistaken for cheaters because they are also isolated from the elevators, therefore if will always like this, I think this real application project falls down.

Almost all of bounty hunters have experienced with the bad projects whatever it has already managed by the team itself or rent the managers. I think you may wrong in this case the team itself can have someone who can still active in the development progress while at the same time he was managing the bounty too.

I think bounty managing is one kind of job also that may be temporary so bounty manager must have to follow the direction of team its natural. Suppose you are CEO of a business and you appointed a manager so will he not hear you?? obviously have to. Yes he may very important person but he can give you his opinion but he can not bear supreme power.

thanks.

You are correct. Bounties managed by the project team themselves, we have to be extra cautious. One reason I see apart from the change of rules is too much delay in distribution. Having said so, there is no guarantee that we will get paid what was agreed, with bounties managed by bounty managers. " We are only managing Bounty Campaigns and are not responsible for any delay or project success. Please do your own research before joining the bounty." This statement we see in may bounties and represents no guarantee about our payment in many cases.

Yeah indeed some bounties managed by the team are sometimes unfair to participants, but i'm not saying all of them (only a few)
only projects that value the hard work of bounty hunters will pay according to the allocations specified. people avoiding such incidents usually join campaigns run by professional managers.

A normal project team has a marketing specialist with them and usually he/she assign as bounty manager. A legit project will always give value to there words. Changing of terms is always happening happened in both campaign that managed by forum bounty manager and not because at the end. The project team will decide on what will be the final say. The only thing that is good about forum bounty campaign manager is they do background check first on the project before they accept it.

And also its easy to spot a shitty campaign. Always ignore campaign that promised million dollar budget allocated because its surely a scam. If the budget is too good to be true then always avoid whoever manage it.

As far as I know, even if the project was handled by a popular manager, they can still change the rules anytime they want by the order of the project team/developer. It doesn't have any difference because bounty managers are just being paid to follow the instructions of how the team wants to run the bounty campaign.

Yes, you are right.
However, this forum gives the team or project manager the freedom to change campaign rules on the way, even when the project is finished.
Maybe almost all projects in the general rule are written that the manager can change the campaign rules at any time when needed. This means that such a claim is meaningless. And whoever manages the project will be the same. Not necessarily the team of the project itself, other parties who manage the project will also do the same thing.

I prefer participating in in projects handle by Bounty managers than bounties handle by the team, all because bounties handel by the team is always unfair for hunters and some of them won't pay at the end of the bounties.. I don't near bounties managed by team

It is quite worrying that the project team itself manages the campaign because it can happen as you mentioned, but there are also some bad bounty managers. I will not mention them because there are too many, but indeed all are at risk and we really have the risk of not being paid in a campaign. Our own choice to determine that.

It can be frustrating, team can do very well or very bad and when they decide to do bad no one can turn it back, it's very important to always follow projects that's managed by bounty managers instead of those that are managed by projects team

Honestly I'm not ready to believe into any bounty program which is run by the team itself. Because, almost all the time I am joining into any bounty only because of reputed manager from this forum. I remember there are bounty programs which are run by some third party organisation (I'm sorry I could not recall their name right away), I just ignored all of them as they were not under a known manager from this forum. When you are depending on managers for choosing the right bounty program, I guess it is not at all making any sense to join the bounty programs which are managed by their team themselves.

I guess when they are promising about BTC/ETH payments on weekly basis and then engaging escrow for the bounty program then I believe that will be no problem for anyone to get into the bounty programs which is managed by team or newbie ;D. When you are asking about something impossible, then I need to state what is possible for everyone.

Whatever they do these things it reflects on their character, bounty hunters are also investors or they invite their friends to invest here, if that's how they handle their campaign, then they should not be surprised if they see their projects in the scam section and it's to late to change their rules or attitude, I have seen many campaigns like that.

Now many developers become managers of their own projects somehow they do not want to pay a manager or what is clear if the team with the dedication then they will be in the specified time may only be late in a few days and it is impossible not to be paid by the hunter.

I dont know mate even the bounties run with bounty manager sometimes the payment can be delayed, postponed or never distributed. Imagine the project run by team it self, i think its not a good choice. I thinks this is a one of important bounty manager for us.

I prefer the bounty thread to be managed by a paid manager bounty who already hold the coin / token of a project because payment is guaranteed so there is no reason for the team not to pay

And then that project is not listed in exchanges, and you only get useless tokens with no value? I only care about the quality of the project, if they have a good project then I believe their bounty will be the same.

When it comes to managing a project with their own manager, they have a lot of advantages. As a result, many projects are managed by them without hiring a manager. They do not make any changes during the campaign. Changes and adds a variety of new rules when the bounty ends. I have not joined any bounty yet but I have already seen many people making various allegations against bounty managers. The projects try their best to end their campaign with the payment of as few bounty participants as possible. But this is not desirable in any way. If the project is successful, then bounty payment in the mountains is a form of fraud.

This is not entirely blamed by anyone. Sometimes the team that handles the bounty always has the right promise at the time of payment to their septas, if on the contrary they will certainly make rules with them so I think it's better with the bounty manager who has long managed the bounty compared with the team itself
The point is in the assessment of each because not everything you talk about becomes a reality so I think we have to follow our conscience for which is more trusted in handling bounties.

I have been working in bounty companies since 2017 and have already gone through many different companies. I can say that the situations were different. There were such bounties, which were managed as the teams of companies themselves, there were individual managers and that some of them had problems from time to time. I cannot say how and with whom it is better to participate, but during these 3 years many managers and teams have shown themselves and many have discredited themselves. I agree on one thing that it is necessary to choose bounty companies more carefully and pay more attention to proven bounty managers.

Managers act like the point person when in terms of bounty rewards with a legit bounty managers participants have a good chance to receive rewards,

Even in some cases where bounty managers even have a good reputation there are still developers who are not honest and doesn't want to release

the specific fund that allocated for the bounty hunters.

Yea some will say it's good to join bounties that's been managed by team and some will say it's bad, it's all about the difference experience we all had, it's your choice to make a pick and if you choose wrong you don't have to say next time you won't join bounties managed by team again, experience can never be the same.

To insure themselves many bounty managers write in the rules that they reserve the opportunity to change the conditions of participation in the bounty campaign at any time.In other words, they can enter KYC, cut the amount allocated for the campaign, and so on. So the presence or absence of a bounty Manager involved does not give any guarantees

When a team manages their own bounty that tells me they do not even have enough money to pay for a bounty manager and they have too much time to spend on bounty managing because they are doing it themselves and when they do it themselves that means its a lot of time spent on it, so instead of spending money they are spending time. That is not a good sign at all, a team should be able to pay for the bounty manager and have enough money but not enough time and need a lot more workers.

So, how could I trust a project when they fail to hire a bounty manager, that looks like something I wouldn't invest into myself and if there is bounty that they are doing themselves, that means I will not be joining the bounty campaign and work for them neither since I do not trust the project neither.

Well not all bounty that managed by 3rd parties will distribute on time because they are paid managers that paid by project itself to run the bounty on this forum, so when the project ask the manager to extend or postpone the bounty , manager will follow and listen to what they said.

as bounty hunter who participant on their bounty, what we can do is only obey to what they said, we only have 2 options that LEAVE or STAY on that bounty, thats all.

why would they hire other bounty managers if on their team they got hired people that can manage the bounty with thier bitcointalk account?

I agree with that, with that it is very certain that the salary will definitely be shared in a while. It is indeed true that this makes it convenient, and I am sure that in the future this way will definitely reduce the scem project as well then to the worries of bounty hunters. will disappear over time

You are true, it is not the best strategy to manage a bounty campaign by itself because it takes a lot of time and effort and after some time they behave to the bounty hunters more angrily.

But for example, Oikos, as I wear in my signature is totally different, they fulfill all promises on time!  :)

it is very difficult to distinguish between REAL and SCAM project as bounty hunters must test and study projects to avoid fraud project

I think they are the same. I think its just better to look for a bounty manager that has good record on their past bounty sometimes its not the bounty mangers fault when distribution got delayed I think its the dev team fault and who BM would not want to distribute the reward for there hunters?

In some cases you are right that bounty manage by team have a little problem.If the price is good after the bounty,they are trying to create a problem.But all the bounty manage by team are not same.Such as Oikos and many other project.

But bounty manage by bounty manger has a problem too.Sometimes bounty manager steal the money and coin which is reserved for the bounty hunters.Recently Morcrypro exchange has arranged a bounty by some bounty mananger but when project gave the Eth and coin,BM decided to steal it rather to distribute.

So before joining the bounty you should check the BM's reputation too .

I'm sure all the masters here seem to be very careful because they are more aware of this, but even though they are careful, there are still some who are deceived because of less or less complete information, but at least we have to review it first so we can make sure yourself how they work and usually there are certain reasons because they change the rules right

It depends  because not all the times bounty managers would really give out that fight that you are expecting on in times  where the bounty  didnt tend to pay off their participant.

We know that BM's are just their employee too which do expect a salary from them and doesnt have the full control or capability when problems arise when it comes to payments.

You do got some point though but it wont work most of the time.If the project team wont tend to pay in the first place then theres no manager can fight off and force them out.

Unfortunately most of the managers are not ready to verify the legitimacy of the team which is the reason why people are wasting their time.Yes its true that managers can't force the team to pay if they are refusing but they should at least try to get it done.Maybe project team is busy on developing so they forget about the bounties so manager have to do some efforts to bring the rewards.

I dont have any problem if a bounty campaign is manage by the  team  members themselves and not being managed by an unknown member or low rank member without any trust.

BM who already has experience at least knows that there will be a scam at the beginning of the project, because it is impossible for him to do the work without in-depth research on the background of the project.

although it does not have full power but at least knows when to stop or continue.

I do not see the difference who runs the company, if the team wanted to do so, then it will be the same with the hired BM, they decide what rules and changes, the team wanted to reduce the POOL, it will reduce it, and not the bounty Manager, the team wanted to conduct a KYC, it will tell the bounty Manager, so there is no difference

I saw so many newbies make mistakes like this, participate in a bounty project without asking who's the bounty manager. They don't know what a bounty manager from the team could do and though every bounties are the same with management. Only when all things crash down hard that they realize it.

I've learned the hard way, this is true honestly, few projects that introduced bounty campaigns without using a reputable bounty manager most times cheat bounty hunters, they might sent out half tokens or reduce bounty allocation or no payment at all

I think if a bounty is really legit and the dev team is concern on the name of their project they will pay bounty hunters on their work to protect their name for scam accusations

I was announce a scam bounty but letter them i see many newbies hunter promote in scam bounty. So they should analysis more about a bounty then going on participating. Basically i would like participate those bounty where they have confirmed listing exchange.

Yes, this is true, if the company itself leads the company, and cherish their product, then the payments will be as expected, as I wrote a little above, if the project is bad, then there will be problems with payments with a professional Manager, BM is not a guarantee that payments will pass without problems and cuts

You should mention that reputed bounty managers. There's a lot of bad history that bounty managers scammed bounty managers but team paid the managers. Like yahoo, Julerz, Murat, etc. They maximum time hold the bounty coins for hunters. I think if they are legit and think this project will work in the future then they should pay the hunters. If they scammed their coins they they will get a negative reputation. which is not a good sign for the project.

i do not agree with your post, i have also worked on campaigns managed by the team members themselves and things went smoothly as they would with a bounty manager, all this rules you mention can also be altered by a bm because this are the rules apply to almost all bounty campaign manged by team or not,
to me, bm's are just like middlemen between the hunters and team, whereas the bm have less power over the campaign because they are subjected to all the directives of the project team. so basically it is the same thing.

I see many bounties nowadays that are manage by thier team member and its fine with, and with the rules being change as long as it was stated on the first place that there changes in bounty theres no problem , but if they change the rules after the bounty campaign its not good.

your fine with it because you may not be a victim yet but for others including op , thats what they feel  . they feel really bad about it   .  im not a fan of bounties myself but im with the op and i feel that its better to see bounties that are managed under a seperate manager that is already well known on this forum  .  this isnt only for the op or for the other users that prefer it but its for the whole comunity  , we can lessen the scams that way and we can lessen the reputation of cryptos from becoming bad  .

no one is immune from this, I also participated in companies that are managed by the company itself, and everything went well, but sometimes it was not good, but it also happens with trusted managers, one company is successful, the second is not

Even if a bounty manager manages the bounty campaign this still doesn't guarantee the payment to every participants, escrow is the answer but still if the project ends up a failure the escrowed token won't be of any use again

I dont see any problem if a team will manage the bounty as long as there is one member from the team that knows how to handle bounty campaign its ok. It will lessen thier expenses if they manage the bounty rather than hiring a bounty manager.

There are many bounty managers who are more motivated to get money for their actions and i don't respect them. Also everyone knows that hunters work hard to promote a project from the beginning so it is important to send them money at the right time. If a project makes bad rules for hunters, then the manager can't do anything by protesting alone so we all need to protest together.

You are right, managers can't do much alone, they need support from all participants, and only together we can do something. Bounty management is important for the project, it's how the project can get attention from many investors, but the project has to have a good team and unique idea, only the bounty is not enough for the project to be developed and to become successful in long term.

It is ok if this person from team is responsible only for bounty and some minor tasks. If he is a lead programer, then managing bounty campaign will be his least favorite task. I dont remember bounty campaign name, but their manager was part of the team and he devote time to bounty only when he had free time at work. That was awful, he might not fill spreadsheet for weeks and then just fill it with same info from previous period, without even checking if the work was done.

Right, if the member of the team manage the bounty then all of the team is responsible about what will happen to the bounty campaign. And they should always be active because hunters will need answers about thier missing stakes.

When a certain team doesnt have a dedicated representative on handling out in terms of marketing then they should really consider on hiring a bounty manager rather than doing the task even if they dont know on what

theyre doing that would really just mess up everything.Im not really that much convinced about lessening the expense yet hiring wont really be that costly if they do really matter with the campaigns outcome if its been

handled well and organized via those experienced managers if they dont care then they would probably handle by there own but we can actually tell the difference to those people who does have experience
and to those who doesnt have.

I have the same thoughts as you. frankly, I will skip a crypto project that does not use a trusted BM here.

The trusted Bounty Manager on this forum has the full power to stop any ongoing project that turns out to be a scam.

75% of scam projects that don't pay hunters at all in this forum, are handled by bounty managers who come from their own team.

At least the team must try to put their own member to be actively managing the campaign. I could take oikos campaign as the best example for how a good team was also running their responsibility with their promoters too.

The manager is very active updating the participants and that's what we have needed before.

That is true, when a team becomes the sole manager of their bounty, that gives them the total control to implement and change any rule the way they want and also the way it will suit them, without putting into consideration the bounty hunters. The painful part of it all is that, changes to the rules won't be implemented until the bounty is over, then changes will be implemented, and the Bounty hunters who contest too much will likely end up losing their rewards, thus the Importance of a bounty manager who is not among the project team. Also, there have been bounties managed by a separate bounty manager where the team also enforces their rules, but most times it isn't that bad like when the team fully manages it.

@aemma. buddy next time you should really read up first or try to check at least on whats the date of the last responses of this thread and if you do try to look up this had been already inactive for 5 months now
and you had just necrobumped it which is really a violation of this forum. Be careful next time with this.

In topic reply about bounties managed up by the team themselves, it isnt really had to have this one as long they would really be paying in the end of the bounty.
Most cases here when they are the ones who do managed is that they can really have the full control neither they would just simply
ignore payments later on.

Thing here with those bounties handled out by known managers of this community is that you can at least have the confidence yet you know that they do
find out the best project out there plus theyve been choosing in projects which seems to be legit and worthy.