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So I heard a clip today that Donald Trump thinks we should delay the election.

Should we do the delay.

I thought about it and find I can come up with multiple

answers.

With multiple reasons to delay or not delay.


Please answer poll and post what you think.

To all non americans it would be the first presidential  election delay in the Usa 🇺🇸.

New York had a local election delay due to 911 so election delays have happened for local elections.

I voted that it depends on the length of the delay.

I would be fine with a delay of six months or less.

Definitely not. Constitution trumps Trump.

No delay, and no paper ballots due to COVID.

+1 to that.

Trump has no authority to delay the election, not even sure there is anyone in government who has the ability to delay the election (disregarding if an amendment to the constitution was passed)

Would be a direct conflict of interest if the sitting President was able to continuously delay the election and make up reasons along the way for doing so. Eh?

Edit: Only group of people who can delay the election is Congress.

Can't delay the election. Really bad idea for Trump to tweet about this inviting more pointless controversy.

Maybe he was joking. Remember the very humorous bleach joke or the one about reducing testing? He's funny like that.

Literally just a tried and true part of the Trump playbook called diversion. He speaks about something that is very controversial and it makes the news and people talk about it for the day. For all of today you're going to see people arguing on twitter, facebook, media talking heads, and so on. They're going to talk about the constituionality of it, the health reasons, and all of this bullshit.

Trump knows that the Coronavirus is a VERY BIG losing issue for him. But other things are pretty 50/50 with him and Biden. So if he can shift public attention from the Coronavirus for as long as possible, he may be able to improve his approval ratings. It's a long shot, but everything up to this point has been for Trump. And crazily enough, a lot of the long shot stuff ended up working for him.


Big jokes. Big jokes.

BLEACH DOWN THE THROAT.

Nice theory but wouldn't it be easier to do this not by going full taliban but maybe by toning down some of the other nonsense. He seems to be exceptionally detached from reality.

And I wouldn't be surprised if he genuinely believes he can do it. Maybe Sean Hannity or someone floated the idea on TV yesterday.

You can't shift away from coronavirus to a brain dead issue like the head of the executive requesting a shift to the election date. Constitutional conservatives will have a huge issue with what Trump's saying here, so he isn't helping his base at all. I have little doubt that Trump is not going to pursue this, just another example of him mouthing off on Twitter for the hell of it.

Whatever his plan is, I never approved Trump's twitter to begin with. It helps out his critics more than anything and gets obnoxious when he becomes flippant about how important 2020 is. One SCOTUS pick is on the ballot because RBG might not be able to serve for much longer.

Nothing is gonna change in months or even a year in terms of corona. There's no logical point of delaying it at all. Anyway, it's pretty personal for me, I've won a DV-lottery and if he's gonna stay the president, I'm staying in my 3rd world country

    Congress can approve it.  It would be a first.  


  I am not a big Trump fan as he has lowered air standard for coal breaking his promise for clean coal.

I am a life long asthmatic suffering and spend 1000's in air filtration every year replacement filters are about 800 bucks along with the power to run them.

Now that my wife has lung damage from her Hospital stay in early Jan (Covid-19?) clean air is an important issue for both of us.  More than any other as I like to breath.

Since Trump has made war on clean air and promises to bring back pickup trucks I simply can't like him as a president.  

I am thinking he may get an extension and is going to work hard at it. He can pretty much shut the post office down which kills mailing voting. I think the Dems don't like that tactic and may give him the extension until April.

The constitution simply does not address this issue of election postponement directly.

But

 
Implies congress could do it.


It would be funny if congress  does grant the delay.

 then gets sued and the drunk that likes beer rules against Trump forcing a Nov election.

Which is a disaster since the mailing ballots are lost or deemed not valid.


Damn. you can't make this shit up.

I am sure whatever I put in this post won't be any thing close to what happens.   ;).


As I think what happens will be nuttier than this idea.

Only within a very narrow window of about 4-6 weeks because the inauguration couldn't be postponed without a constitutional amendment (my understanding anyway) so that's what - mid-December latest for the election? Gets very tight on time later than that.

I doubt Trump had any of that in mind though. He just blurted something out that sounded good to him.

Well, it gives all the fine Democrats something to talk about other than the fine young innocent and peaceful protesters of Antifa

I don't see any basis for delaying the election. Trump suggesting that we should delay the election is not going to help his chances of getting a second term.

With the above being said, there is also no reason to not have in-person voting with voter ID.

Delay it for 4 years; then elect him in for a second term.     8)

Ouch Phil, didn't even notice that was an issue that was facing people.

So right now you (and your wife) are not only dealing with the issues of clean air, but also now because of COVID you are in the the high risk category right?

Clean Coal was a bullshit promise. Clean Coal means no coal. Never understood how we could possibly try to save the coal industry. It's done and it's going to die soon, just invest money into programs to teach people how to work in other industries and help with the placement. Nothing that can be done to save that industry now.

Would be much better to go ahead and incentivize the use of cleaner energy (and research into) such as Nuclear, Solar, and Wind (lord even Natural Gas and Oil are cleaner when you're trying to make the air cleaner)

Reason:  Thousands of hotspots where activists will harass people wearing masks.   

Why can't the government digitize the voting system?   Esp with all the verification options available.

He sure is good at getting people talking isn't he?
https://i.imgur.com/uxZojHF.png




May I humbly suggest you move to a location with clean air?

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.JB7YnzNE3y9JoaH6k-A-RAHaE8?pid=Api&rs=1

Man.. The more I know the more I love where I live..


Pickup trucks are fine as long as their isn't like a million of em all in one place..

We don't even have to have catalytic converters here where I live (cut em off), no emissions laws at all, or vehicle inspections, but I'll be darned if I'm not in the blue on that map, lol..


Oh yeah.. And no I don't think we should delay the election, but if the china virus is such a big problem, we should delay the election rather than open up to insecure mail-in voting..
They are just trying to use it as an excuse to allow votes to be less secure..
The "delay elections" line looks to me like calling a bluff, and starting a bit of drama..

One of the founders of the federalist society, who has supported Trump as recently as when he was being impeached earlier this year is now calling for Trump's immediate impeachment. -- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/opinion/trump-delay-election-coronavirus.html

Trump has historically played 4-D chess with his political opponents. This got him the nomination in 2016, and the presidency. He lost big in 2018, but this was in large part due to Sessions recusing himself.

Trump has also faced near universal backlash on both sides of the isle. It appears Republicans are not supporting him on the issue of delaying the election. It appears this was an attempt to get the MSM to talk about the risks of voting via mail, but it also could result in him not getting the nomination next month.

@ eddie13

moving would work.
I would move,but  wife is not ready to do it.

I have all my family and my wife's family in NJ,NY,CT.

I did live in San Francisco, San Diego, and Los Angeles.

I have a few USN buddies on the west coast so moving is a possibility. I would think Oregon or Washington could work for us.

If trump gets re-elected moving is on the agenda as air will get worse here in North East.

Interesting problem, where to move. I started out with a recommendation and then read this article and decided I don't know so much.

https://www.webmd.com/asthma/features/asthma-and-cities-which-cities-ran-best

Be very cautious when considering a move because of your asthma symptoms. Remember, there's no best city for asthma. If you're determined, Bernstein recommends that you try living in the new location for a few months before permanently uprooting yourself.

Oh, by the way. There's no politics to Asthma, never will be.

Giving a president the power to delay an election seems like a bad idea. We can’t let temporary circumstances set precedents.

In the US, there are laws against campaigning within certain distances of polling sites. To account for social distancing, the boundaries that prohibit campaigning can be extended. These boundaries are generally respected, but when they are not, the offenders can be arrested.

Early voting can be extended, so people can vote early.
Identity threft is prevelant (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136289.msg50778677#msg50778677) to the extent that either hacked accounts, or accounts that were opened with stolen identities are were being sold on a bitcoin forum. 

Fraud is a problem for banks and credit card companies. A lot of money is being invested in AI to detect fraudulent transactions. Sometimes this AI can be wrong and will tell a bank to decline a legitimate transaction. If a legitimate vote is declined, that voter will be disenfranchised.

I just read on BBC that Trump is postponing for fear of "forgery and inaccurate results"
Trump claims he is afraid of rigging the elections if voting takes place by mail, although there have been several US states using voting by mail for a long time.
I think Trump is dodging and trying to extend to gain more time after his popularity has dropped significantly and the Republicans know that and they do not support this delay and they have told Trump this, so in my view I think that we will not postpone the presidential elections.

It is not new that TRUMP is joking. Trump is a top ranked joker which we are observing after the last president election. I have not seen any president who behaves such a joker.

Constitution sets noon on Jan 20th as the last day for the President and Vice President. I believe congress ends early in January but can't remember the date. Congress sets the date of the election and it was set in 1845 and has never changed even in the time of war etc. So what would they delay it to? December? Not worth the effort to even consider it on their part since it all has to be over well before Jan 20th. So no, not going to happen.

I think it's more likely the tweet was an impulse and he's going to walk it back soon. 






Unless Sessions agreed to behave unethically and then chickened out it's really Trumps fault for not nominating someone unethical enough to not recuse themselves from an investigation they had a conflict of interest in,

I don't think Trump has the power to do that. I think Congress has the power but then again it has to be approved by majority of party members and singed by the President etc so the chances of that happening is slim to none. And hence, the voting will be done on usual November. But this time voting will be different as this is extraordinary times already due to corona. Let's see how it all goes!

A joker maybe, but he delivered a great deal of what he promised.

Trump can't delay the elections on his own, he needs the help for the congress. But since the republicans already stated they won't support any delay it's very unlikely since the democrats will never help Trump. The huge number of corona cases makes it obvious that the political reaction of Trump was wrong. And now with the second wave running around the world it will get even worse. I think Trump has to accept that many voters will vote by mail now.

Yes. He's trolling. Now he's suggested we should move the elections up.

To QuickSeller - Highly doubt he is going to not get the nod in a month (whenever the convention is) He is still the sitting President, and still enjoys like 85-93 percent approval rating of the Republican party. If you take on Trump by trying to join the Never Trumpers (as a Republican) you're going to get slaughtered and lose your own primary.

Look at Session for godsake. Guy just lost his Senate seat that he held for a couple decades to a former football coach who was endorsed by Trump.

Somehow this guy manages to come up with new headlines everyday, making all the work for media

He is a joking channel instead of a president. He makes global people too much laugh. Among the president of not only united state of America but also the present of the world is worse and he is noting but only a comic character.

Then how will they verify that it hasn't been tampered with by Russian hackers?  ;)

I think he is afraid. He thinks he couldn't win the election, that's why he is trying to delay the election. Although he shows the reason for mailing voting issues.

I think the tweet was poorly worded. He should have said that *congress should delay the election until...* instead of asking if the election should be delayed.



There was no basis for Sessions to recuse himself, just as we are now learning that there was no basis to start the investigations in the first place.

[not sure why you didn’t quote my post]

The idea would be that Trump willingly drops out of the race and endorses whoever gets the nomination. Trump has high approval ratings among Republicans, but is facing long odds to winning the general election.

Trump dumped I believe hundreds of millions of dollars into his campaign in 2016, but I don’t believe he has given anything to it this cycle. This may have to do with how badly his business are doing due to the coronavirus lockdowns.

I cannot stress how important this November will be to the country. A Biden win would almost certainly mean communism will spread to the US and the rest of the world.

I wish he should win once again and even I wish he should win more and more times until there is another joker. Though it is not possible to be a president in united states of America more than twice.

When you see the choices the American people are given, you can only hope for another "joke" politician to run ...

Sessions was involved with the Trump campaign for almost a year.  The Trump Campaign was a subject of the investigation.  Republicans and Democrats both called for his recusal pretty much immediately because it was clear: If the AG has close ties to a political campaign that is being investigated, he should not be involved with the investigation.


You must be talking about the another investigation into the investigators that's about to drop. 

Don't forget, we already have all the indictments, the Mueller report outlining exactly how Russia was trying to influence the 2016 election and a bunch of  ties between Russia and the Trump campaign,  the 400+ page IG report criticizing the FBI but ultimately concluding the investigation was legal and not started because of or affected by political bias or any improper motivation, a few senate republican committees that agreed the Mueller report provided valuable information that will help secure future elections, I could go on...

I think No.

There is no valid reason to delay the election. Also delaying will give unfair advantage to trump to prepare for the next elections. Majority of the americans would want the election to be held on time.

I agree. At the same time, if people are sincere, we should go back to manual counting, with the public allowed to watch the counting. All this computerized and mailed-in voting is open to fraud. As Stalin (mass murder of as many as 100 million of his own, Russian, people) said (or similar), "It's not he who votes that counts, but he who counts the votes."

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