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We are finding out that what we have been looking at for a long time is exosomes. Google "exosomes" and "exosomes vs. viruses." The article below doesn't talk about exosomes at all. But what they talk about is the fact that many doctors and researchers have found that viruses are something that doesn't fit nature and illness, and that these researchers are being silenced by Big Pharma, out to make a buck off society.


VIRUSES DO NOT EXIST: The Virus Hoax created by the Pharma Cartel (https://peripheralmind.blogspot.com/2020/03/viruses-do-not-exist-virus-hoax-created.html)




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I believed most of this pandemic disease is cause or create by some big fish in the pharma organization in other to achieve their selfish purpose but I find it hard to believe that viruses do not exist and what about the diseases caused by human immunodeficiency virus?
With that been said, I did some research about the exosomes you and I believe it has almost the same symptom COVID 19 patient had but is there a cure for the exosomes in other to be sure if the COVID 19 pandemic was just a lie.

the funny part is that badecker beleives the crap he reads on conspiracy sites

does he not know that for some government secrets to stay secret less people have to know about it.
EG only a few people know the truth or able to find the truth

but here is idiot badecker thinking every doctor, medical, science student in every country is in on it.
he even gets so ignorant of science that he thinks that no one can actually study it

instead he thinks all doctors/students/scientists are just government spies. on contract 'working for the man'

such an idiot badecker is
and this idiot newest idea i like saying that the world is lying to to people that every doctor has signed a none disclosure agreement and is goin out of their way to say that peaches are different than apples. and badeckers conspiracy influencers are pretending they know the truth that peaches dont exist and they are just colourful apples

funny part is in that analogy. if you told badecker to actually go to a local supermarket and actually ask a greengrocer whats the differences. he will refuse

if you actually just googled images of the differences between the two he would ignore it
if you showed him how they are different on the inside with different cores. he will say its all CGI made up imagery. then when you ask him again to just go find out whats inside the 2 fruits for his own independant peace of mind. he again will refuse

exosomes are different than viruses
heck viruses are different than other viruses
viruses are pathogens that are not natural to their host. and the task of a virus is to multiply and then burst out of the host cell. and then the host body as fast and best as possible to then find a new host

exosomes are vehicles to transfer nutrient, enzyme and other stuff that are created by the host, used by the host to help allow the host to grow, heal, or just be healthy

viruses are in different forms. like ebola which is like a string in a knot. or corona which is like a spikey ball
but exosomes are smouth bubbles

its like comparing shape and scale ratio of size of
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to
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/413K1Za93sL._AC_SY400_.jpg
funniest part is he is claiming the conspiracy is based on 1800's 'science'
but will do all he can to refuse to actually find out the truth using 21st century science/methods

It's happening something like this.

In the mid 1800s, doctors and researchers were looking for the cause of diseases.

They had two basic options to choose from:
1. Bugs like bacteria and viruses;
2. Toxins from a variety of places, both man-made, and in nature.

There's money in bugs, especially if you can't see them to refute the idea of their existence.

So, the idea of tiny viruses has existed for well over 100 years with no way to see them (because they are so small) except for the electron microscope.

The electron microscope sees some tiny specks that seem to fit the description of viruses. But they are dead, and can't be seen in color, and can't be seen operating in their host, in the EM.

Then in 1983 some doctors detected virus-sized bugs coming out of the cells, and they called them exosomes.

Then in 2011, somebody invented the Microsphere Nanoscope, a microscope so powerful that it can see viruses (like the EM) but see them alive... living in their host cells... and watch exactly what they are doing.

Since then more and more researchers have realized that the viruses of the past were really exosomes all along, and we simply couldn't watch their processes because of how tiny they are.

The whole idea of viruses harming people is really people living with toxins and poisons in themselves, and their exosomes trying to zealously repair their cells by getting rid of the poisons and toxins.

Our whole understanding of what is going on in the world of exosomes-without-viruses has to be changed because of what is really happening.

Big Pharma knows that it needs to work fast, because people are finding out that the whole virus thing is false, and sickness in general is hooked to unclean living. Big Pharma has to move fast to keep from going down the tubes when this all comes out into the public.

Google "Are viruses real?" And use other search engines, as well. Also, search on "exosomes vs. viruses." Also, there are many good videos explaining all this. But they are often de-platformed by Big Pharma because they are showing the truth that BP is trying to hide.

A website called "AltCensored" (https://altcensored.com/) has many of these deleted videos, but you have to be dedicated to find the ones you are looking for.

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exosomes are not virus size bugs
. you have no clue. although i already gave you a subtle hint at reality in previous post
now you want to say a golfballs is the same size as a dogs squeekytoy and the same size as a (ratio scale) as a 1 metre knotted rope

also what exosomes do is different than what viruses do

analogy is.
a exosome is a fruit delivery truck of nutrician for a factory so the workers are happy and productive
a virus is a militia that invades a factory. trains up more miltia and then destroy the factory as they escape

i know idiot badecker is trying all stupid attempts he can to avoid coming to the realisation of viruses cross-infecting people

but here is a real thing badecker needs to know
being an idiot on this forum will not make his male stripper come back to his house and give him a massage any faster

All you are saying is that you don't realize that so-called viruses come in all kinds of sizes. Maybe there are even some that are larger than some small bacteria. It's easy to research. So, if anybody has a question about it, he can easily research.

Hey, thanks for pushing this thread for me.

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im saying YOU dont realise the differences. YOUR the one saying its all the same thing.
YOUR the one saying things cant be identified

kinda funny how you now flop to say people can identify the differences. thus now debunking your whole topic

flip
'cant be identified, its all just exosomes'
flop
'viruses come in different shapes and sizes and different than bacteria, its easy to research'

Don't you just love a good conspiracy theory early in the morning!  
Please keep them coming, BADecker, and don't let facts get in the way.
 ;D

i wouldnt mind badecker so much if he was doing all this stupid stuff in a conspiracy/offtopic category
but in a politics/society topic.. he is just sounding dumb. where others want to talk about whats really happening in politics/society

It's okay that you remain mixed up. Nobody really cares anyway.

Viruses DO come out of cells at times. But since they don't know the difference between exosomes and viruses, how are they going to tell which one it is?

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In fact, this is very dangerous information, although it is difficult to prove, but there is no doubt that we are being manipulated by the pharmaceutical companies and by the war makers in the world. It is all about power and money. The pharmaceutical companies want money and the war makers want power and people are treated as Mice.
No one knows the truth about what is going on in the world and there are always voices that reveal the facts from time to time but are silenced or covered on them, the owners of the conspiracy theory say that there are few hidden hands that manage the world from behind the curtain and that all these wars, diseases and viruses are their creation and this is possible that It is hugely true.

Here is a video by Aaron and Melissa Dykes. Listen to what Melissa says about the old "The Truman Show" movie staring Jim Carrey.

The movie itself is kinda cute. But the message comes out quite subtly. Melissa Dykes explains what the movie is all about, but then goes on to explain how the movie fits what is happening to us as we are being manipulated by the media and Government... and who knows who else... especially in this fake pandemic time.

Remember, think. The video narration is kinda deep in some ways. And the application of the narration to our lives is almost as subtle as the movie itself.


It's Time to Revisit "The Truman Show"
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nvcJqLbsUbE/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCPYBEIoBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLBm5QpG7ZkKN13MkFU44KLkru90hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvcJqLbsUbE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvcJqLbsUbE)


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I agree that the money Pharmers are manipulating the concept of heath, but I'm not sure that I understand the basic premise of this thread.

Certainly something causes these infections, and triggers the resulting stresses on the body. Are we just discussing the generic name of these entities, or is there a deeper issue here.

It is early morning. Light is just peeking over the horizon in the eastern sky. I sat out on the porch a little while ago, drinking my morning coffee.

I leave a light on all night... a light on the side of the house so that people don't trip in the dark and sue me. Guess what? There aren't any bugs playing around the light like other years. Nothing. Not one. And the temp is 65F. So, there should be at least dozens.

The point is, if viruses exist, they are nothing without the terrain. The terrain is the whole of ecology in nature, both outside the house, and inside the body. It's all connected. We don't live in a vacuum. We breath the same air that the bugs breathe as they fly around the light on the side of the house. So, if suddenly the bugs don't exist, does it mean we are coming to an end, as well?

It's the change in the all-penetrating ecology of the world around us that makes us sick... or at least allows us to be sick when we are not in line with the ecology. And if we are with sick people and seem to get sick from them, it isn't some virus or bacteria making us sick. Rather, it's the influence of the sick idea on our nature that is making us sick. It's ecology and terrain, and how our personal ecology and terrain fits in the ecology and terrain of nature around us.

If we seem to get sick from a virus, and then we take some medicine and get well, we got well from changing our body-terrain, so that we our body wasn't something that the virus liked to "eat" any longer.

Since nobody has seen a living, acting virus or exosome until the advent of the Microsphere Nanoscope in 2011, all the former identification was done by indirect, deductive methods... for both, viruses and exosomes. Now that we have seen that viruses and exosomes are the same, we are simply realizing that maybe one of them doesn't exist, and that whatever they are, they exist based in a complex system of cellular operations that is way different than the virus theory that has so long pervaded our medical thinking.

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badecker read on some stupid site that we are in the 18th century and there is no way to identify anything smaller than the human eyesight. and the only chemical reactions that are possible are using herbs

he hassnt wised up that we are in the 2st century
he kinda knows, but then lets the dumb part of his brain forget again, that they can actually identify not only visually via a microscope, but also through chemical reaction, extraction, sequencing and comparison. and work out whats similar and whats different

they have the rna sequence of corona viruses and they know it differs to ebola or bacteria
they can see that the same sequence is found in people that are sick with a certain symptomology but not find it in healthy people
they can see that the pathogen they find in ebola symptomology differs from those with covid symptomology

they have extracted purified and then put it into test specimens and those test specimens also got sick with the particular symptomology. so they do know what they are looking at is the cause of the sickness

then looking at it and looking at the rna sequence and other enzyme studies they know its not an exosome
heck exosomes dont even do the same job that a virus does
people can keep teaching badecker this stuff.. but he will always forget as soon as he clicks the bookmark to his hotlist of conspiracy sites. because he is an idiot that way.

by the way..
in the 1800's (badeckers favourite era) the average life expectancy was ~35
so while badecker thinks that modern medicine is killing people. the actual fact is that peoples health are improving and people are lasting longer because when they get sick they can get treatments for more things than in the 1800

if you know your vulnerable to certain things for certain reasons. then take precautions. stop acting like your an immortal idiot where you think the only thing that can kill you is a doctor

here is a reality check.. i know badecker thinks because of alot of people die in hospital. that it must be the hospital that is the killer its not
its the sickness that made the person want to go to hospital. the sickness kills the person. the hospital is just there to improve the odds of survival if they have the right treatment to offer
having no treatment does not mean the hospital killed them. it just means the sickness killed the person because there is no treatment.

without any hospitals at all.. more would die.
having overrun hospitals because too many sick and not enough beds,, nurses and doctors to spare can cause more deaths.. because then people are not getting any treatment

as for 'big pharma'
treatments are needed. to help improve the odds of surviving and recovering from things that are fatal without treatment.
yes big pharma know this and although they do benefit the sick by improving their survival odds, they charge a huge price.
yes the 'pharma' industry should be nationalised as a not for profit where by their budgets are actually controlled and not wasted.. but pretending that big pharma and hospitals are voodoo and placebo's is just stupid

and i still laugh how idiots will find any excuse to continue being idiots

Oh, franky1. You are so far out of it, that you can't even get down to the basics and show why your religious medical faith is the way it is. You might pop in a link now and again, but there isn't any evidence that you understand anything that you link to.

Like I said. You can research it. Nobody has seen a living virus until 2011. All former virus work has been done by indirect, deductive chemical operations. You can't get a clear answer of what is happening in a complex system like a cell, when all you have is indirect, deductive operations. And all the scientists, researchers, and doctors know this, even though they have been trained to not think about it much.

Science is finding out that for the last hundred years it has been limping along with loads of uncertainty in the whole medical arena. Isn't it time for you to come out of the dark ages, and get yourself a Microsphere Nanoscope so that you can actually see what is really going on?

I'm not serious about you getting a MN. You wouldn't be able to track what you were looking at anyway.


Btw, the life expectancy in some parts of the world in the 1800s was well over 100 years. Once people get into good nutrition and good hygiene, life expectancy increases. Medicine is not good hygiene or good nutrition. Medical leaders might have brought in medicine, but it was their bringing of good nutrition and good hygiene that saved people.

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even with your own warped imagination
you just debunked yourself
we are in 2020
meaning even under your warped imagination they have been able to identify viruses for atleast 9 years even in your own words
(reality is it was 1930's they had visual confirmation of viruses.. but lets stick with your imaginary number as it still debunks you)

so now you can stop pretending no one can identify a virus

i think its you that need to do the research
and stop thinking it the 1800's and you still thinking you have to wait out 200 years of your stupidly thought up immortality before you get to learn the truth

wake up its already 2020.. no more excuses to keep waiting. do the research now. on present things happening now.. stop going back to the past to find excuses to be an idiot

'Nanoscope' makes live viruses visible for first time:

Exosome Size:

Since living viruses haven't been seen until the advent of the Microsphere Nanoscope (2011), why would you think that living exosomes have been seen, since they are proclaimed to be just as small as viruses? And now that researchers know that viruses are similar to exosomes, why would you think that know everything about both? They might simply be extensions of the same thing, doing the same kinds of jobs.

Further in the second article, above, is, "Exosomes have an extraordinary ability to transfer proteins, DNA, mRNA, non-coding RNAs." Sounds like a virus.


Now, if that wasn't enough, try this:

When is the medical world going to realize that viruses and exosomes do the same thing and ARE the same thing?

It's right there for you. And there are a lot more sites where the same things are shown.

Wake up and get out into the real world. Science is just finding out now that viruses are good guys, and that our whole understanding of how viral illnesses work has always been wrong... mostly intentionally wrong, so Big Pharma could make some more money.

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Don't believe everything you read on the Internet! Trust me, I've seen all sorts of shit out there.  ;)
As for your claims from the title of the topic, can you show us some scientific paper published by a respectable scientist in the field of microbiology?

funy part about badecker
is he shows an image of a exosome and even links quotes that its below 100nm average
exosomes are more golfballs shape that attach nutrients. to the outside

corona virus is more spikey ball that hook onto cells to penetrate the cell..
meaning they do different things

a exosome does not hook to a cell. instead it covers itself in nutrient and the nutrient is the thing that a particular nutrient seeking cell receptor likes and sucks inside.

its like the difference between a virus being puzzle piece and a exosome being a toffee apple

also corona and ebola are not only different shapes but also different sizes with both being more then the average size of an exosome.


again badecker is trying to compare toffee apples to spikey dogtoys

That's because the thing that you call a virus is simply an exosome that has been expelled by a cell, making re-entry. It changes while it is out.

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I wonder who donates to your BTC for spreading fake information

Start by researching Louis Pasteur. Is it true that he didn't want his private memoirs published until his children had all passed? Is it true that in his memoirs he said that he fabricated and lied about the results of his experiments, etc.?

So, who is the credible researcher since all the research is based on lies?

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Yet, you enjoy the benefits of this 'fake' research on a daily basis. Isn't that hypocritical of you?

The benefit of fake research is exposing it. And that is part of what I attempt to do. It IS enjoyable exposing fake news.

What is hypocritical about that? Shouldn't someone enjoy what he does in life. Fake news is enjoyable when one can expose it.

For example. The guy who drives the wrecker truck, enjoys his job. But well over 90% of his enjoyment comes at the expense of someone else who has trouble. If there never was any trouble, the wrecker truck driver would have to find something else to do for a living, and for enjoyment. But he doesn't wish for trouble to come to anyone. In fact, he enjoys helping people who have trouble, in addition to enjoying driving a wrecker.

Same with me. If there wasn't any fake news, I would have to get my enjoyment somewhere else, other than trying to expose some fake stuff that didn't exist. But since it exists, I enjoy exposing the fake news that comes about, and I enjoy enlightening people about the fake news, even if they don't want to be enlightened.

So, where are you at? Are you trying to maintain the fake news that I am trying to expose, and cover up the fact that it is fake? Do you get enjoyment out of that? How about a benefit?

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all information certainly will not always lead to mere lies, because all the news can be traced and explanations can be asked for so that we can trust.
as well as what is said by researchers / scientists who are clear at this time what researchers / scientists say will be accompanied by clinical trials that have been carried out. all can analyze what is written and can not do a lie that can be brightly refuted by other researchers / scientists.

when a pandemic is indeed very prone to occur information that can be misleading, the most often is the discovery of drugs that can cure and are said to have been tried to the sick. but when asked whether there have been clinical trials, they are not able to give, then it can be ascertained that lies are looking for the benefits of people who are already afraid of a pandemic.

And what you say is exactly the reason why we know that there aren't any viruses that have been proven to exist.

Most of the people who discover new things, are working for institutions who pay them the money they need to live. They will do what the institution orders them to do... or starve. The institution owners aren't only made up of researchers who want the truth. They are also made up of people who want to make money.

The desire for more money is the reason why we have all kinds of silly scientific notions that usually destroy themselves right in their own literature, if somebody would only take a look. For example, the idea that the universe is billions of years old, has been said by the basic finders of this information, to be a tenuous idea at best.

Evolution theory says right within itself that there are random mutations. "Random" really means that we don't know. So, we don't know that evolution exists, yet the idea is very popular around the world.

Einstein's Relativity doesn't work at microscopic levels.

There is theory that is way stronger than standard theory, that says that stars are electric plasma, and not nuclear objects, but few people know about this.

Black holes might not be what they are described to be in standard theory at all.

The known universe has been said to be about 13 billion lightyears wide. But now we are finding evidence that it is way bigger. But who knows about this?

In the same way, the virus idea is all about money and control. Viruses never existed. At least that we have factually known. All that exists are exosomes, moving out of and back into the cells to do their work. But if there are viruses, they have far different reasons for existing than medical research has understood.

Just to show you how messed up the greedy medical industry is, see that hydroxychloroquine + zinc has been the cure for Covid all along. But the medical is downplaying it, big time.

Watch a few honest doctors: https://www.altcensored.com/watch?v=otRN0X6F81c and https://www.altcensored.com/watch?v=aX_Q1FaY9pI.

And watch the videos here https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/ that prove that the doctors are hones.

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Every knowledgeable individual around the world understand that the big Pharmers are manipulating the heath setting but understand that every setting are manipulated, the governments manipulated the economic, whales does in crypto cause setting. However, I find it hard to believe that there's no virus or COVID 19 but I dont believe that the pandemic can be treated which why most celebrities that caught the virus recovered these days.

The definition of a virus is wide and varied. Think of computer viruses. Stick covid into a computer, and Covid will die. So, to say that viruses don't exist is really not true, because there are many forms of viruses, including computer viruses. What we are looking for is an all-inclusive definition for the kind of virus that doctors say kills us.

Turns out that these so-called killer viruses are simply exosomes in a different stage of "life." Our cells make them. Our cells expel them. Our cells take them back in. Possibly our cells take in exosomes from some animals.

Exosomes are made by the cells to fight pollution. Often our bodies are so polluted that the exosomes forget who the good guys are. The only way to destroy viruses is to destroy us, because we are making the viruses in the form of exosomes for good reasons.

Science has only been figuring this out for the last 4 decades. And it is only within the last decade that they are seeing the complexity of the living system so that they are coming to understand how these things work.

Big Pharma is poisoning us with vaccines so that more exosomes are created by our cells to repair us, which are called viruses, so that more vaccines need to be used, so that more exosomes are created by our cells to repair us, which are called viruses, so that more vaccines need to be used, so that more exosomes are created by our cells to repair us, which are called viruses, so that more vaccines need to be used, so that more exosomes are created by our cells to repair us, which are called viruses, so that more vaccines need to be used, so that more exosomes are created by our cells to repair us, ... and on and on until we all die if we don't fall back into barbarism first.

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so many times you got debunked and still you are ignorant

exosomes are not forign to your body. they are made by your body and they have positive benefit on your body

a virus is a foreign entity to your body. that came into your body. thats what an infection is
viruses infect the host to do damage

exosomes and viruses forms are different too corona does not even look like a exosome.
i know you keep thinking that an apple looks like an orange or a golf ball looks like a spikey dog squeeky toy.. but to the rest of the world they are different

they have different purposes.

i know your still stuck in 1800's science. but its 2020. update yourself and to being an ignorant idiot repeating crap in different topics. you have no clue what your taking about and seem to be just copy and pasting the same crap each time without actually learning the details of what you copy

so do some friggen research on the stuff you post and dont just repost other peoples opinions without first researching them to see if they even valid or even worthy of posting

i know you pretend you are not to blame for what you post. but by you posting it. you have to take responsibility for the crap you post even if its not your own original words.

so put some effort and some common sense and some logic into what you feel like posting.

it was back in the 1800's that people thought that bacteria, fungus, viruses were al the same kinda thing. but science has moved a hell of alot further in 200 years. so its time you moved forward with the times too

So many times you talk as though I got debunked, and still you are ignorant. Know why? You can't even read what I write. Probably you can't even do research.

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your calling vaccines a poison and a virus the cure that repairs us..(facepalm)
 so yea im calling you a debunked ignorant idiot

Actually, I'm calling exosomes the body's own cure, and viruses simply one of the forms/stages of exosomes.

Say it right... as if you can say anything right.

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viruses are not exosomes

ebola does not look like an exosome nor have the same biological, enzyme, protein makeup of a exsome nor perform the same tasks as a exosome

corona does not look like an exosome nor have the same biological, enzyme, protein makeup of a exsome nor perform the same tasks as a exosome

i know you think you can pretend to have a brain by using a word no one may have heard of before this last decade. but you are still stuck in 1800 stupidity by your ignorance and inability to understand modern science modern biology revelations and modern medicine

so please just try harder at researching before posting.

You don't know for sure that viruses are not exosomes.

There are millions of exosomes and millions of viruses. I bet you could find an exosome that looks exactly like Ebola. Oh wait. We did find that exosome. It's called the Ebola virus.

Corona acts like an exosome at times. All that a virus is, is a phase of operations of an exosome. We don't have enough knowledge to say it isn't.

I'm only posting what other researchers have said. So, you shouldn't demean yourself like that. I mean, you are having a hard enough time maintaining your veracity with yourself. Check with psychiatry. When you attempt to diminish the value of another person, it's because you are there and gone, already. Please, for your own well being, try to build others up, so you don't destroy yourself.

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you have no clue and your not even describing what viruses or exosomes do..
your just making crap up

have you ever thought to yourself you ug yourself a deep enough hole that its time to realise you got stuck and time to climb out.. or do you just keep digging deeper and losing sight of the solid ground people stand on

you are not on solid ground. realise the hole your in

okay lets start with:

rabies

so big pharma took a time machine back hundreds of years.

spread a magic spell called it rabies.

if a mad dog bit you certain death.

this floated around europe for hundreds of years.

the shout of mad dog 🐕 was a warning of certain death 💀 if the dog bit you.

big pharma planned it sent another wizard back in time in the 1800s some guy called louie pastur.

you know the guy that invented pasturized milk.

all of this was done to lay the groundwork for all the other fake vaccines 💉 .

once they could fix rabies all stupid people fell into line and simply get vaccines that are no good.


If you don't believe in viruses go kiss a dog with rabies.


that said big pharma has zero need to make money on viruses.

they make money on diabetes. a lot of money.  viruses are risky.
 

For you and me and average people, the virus thing is simple. We are ill, and we want to get well, or not get ill in the first place.

For medical people, their description of the virus is what they think makes people ill.

Research what some of the medical people are saying, that exosomes and viruses act similarly in ways that are making them question the whole virus idea.

Consider the caterpillar to butterfly idea. They are the same critter, but they certainly don't look the same at the various stages of life.

Recent advances in microscopy are allowing scientists a better view of the cell, and they are seeing enough differences in cells that the virus idea is being called into question. Some researchers are starting to think that exosomes and viruses are the same "animal" at different stages of life operation... because they can SEE them in living action.

Average doctors are not scientific researchers. They are out to help patients based on what the researchers have found out. So, the virus idea won't go away easily, because it is so ingrained.

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no they are not
exosomes do different jobs than viruses. they look different. their enzyme, protein and structure are different
they actually can identify and characterise and categorise things. they separate hem by what those differences are

exosomes are not viruses. they dont look, act,function, contain, anything alike
your comparing a fruit apple to a plastic squeeky dog toy and trying to say they the same thing
your comparing a wild tiger to a domesticated dog and trying to say they are the same thing

What you say has been the opinion for a long time. But we are seeing differently with the Microsphere Nanoscope. The differences that we are seeing are complex enough that scientists and researchers won't be staking their careers on new explanations until they are entirely sure.

As I said in a portion of my previous post, we don't know that exosomes and viruses are not the same "animal" at various stages of life operation. You can find the uncertainty by searching on "are viruses exosomes in disguise."

I admit that presently we don't really know that they are the same. But there are enough similarities that we simply don't know for certain that they are different... as I said about the butterfly in my previous post.

The point regarding Covid is that we are attempting to find and use cures based on a complete understanding. This is why Dr. Fauci is unwilling to use anecdotal cures. But, we have never had the knowledge necessary for knowledgeable cures. All of our virus cures are based on assumptions that we are finding out might not be true, and what we might have been doing all along is really the anecdotal cures, or in-spite-of-ourselves cures.

In other words, our cures were never the answer. They simply worked by accident for reasons other than what we thought.

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and there the idiot proves he is an idiot
"we dont know that exosome and viruses are not the same animal"

meaning he has not proof they are the same . he is just repeating unfounded stupid scripts from people that dont know

however actual science of actual studies and actual experiments know they are completely different

even you categorise a catterpiller/butterfly as different things. even if they share a connection..
however the enzyme/rna/dna/protein studies of exosomes vs virus show no connection/similarity/pre-existance state

i know its hard to grasp that there are more then a handful of biological things .. but there are billions of biological things.

i know your stuck thinking that everything is just a animal, mineral, vegetable. where you can only cope with 3 categories. but there are billions of things
a rose is not an apple tree
a human is not a elephant. even if you want to meander down the historic path of the primordial ooze of millions of years ago. you need to grasp that many things are different for many reasons


and corona virus is not something that mutated from a human in the last few decades or any time in history
so there is no way possible for it to be a pre-existing thing you have in your body that just mutates into a virus to harm just you.

its a foreign pathogen that infects you via cross-contamination of another source ... its not something you always had inside you from birth

^^^ So, now we know from you that caterpillars and butterflies are not the same "animal" at different stages of their life. You might as well state that babies aren't adults at a different stage of their lives.

There are those researchers who understand that viruses and exosomes do some of the same things, and just might be the same "animal" at different stages of their lives so to speak.

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nope exosomes do different things
and no researcher has found any similarity in the function/composition of a exosome.
they know the protein enzyme rna/dna makeup of exosomes
they know the protein enzyme rna makup of viruses

they know that there is no comparison
they know there is no previous-existance state scenario

just you and your idiot snake oil salesmen are the ones that got it wrong
they are trying to SELL you a story that people have pre-existing illnesses before they are ill and their pharma chemicals will cure you of it

they dont treat people for actual sickness.. they deny sickness is a thing and only hidden preexistance is the thing they treat. and when people dont then get sick of the supposed thing they meant to have before ever being sick. they say they cured it.

but when people then do get sick of the thing they been told they got cured of. they avoid taking responsibility for their conartist snake oil sales. and pretend the sickness is caused by something else
EG saying that the respiratory distress and pneumoina and coughing and fever is caused by diabetes. and not covid.

because they dont care about actualy treating people of actual things. they want to make crap up to sell things when people dont need them.. and deny accountability when people do need actual care

^^^

https://medium.com/@jaspreetkaur_86935/is-covid19-a-virus-or-mere-an-exosome-da1624022860

https://www.weblyf.com/2020/04/dr-andrew-kaufman-and-the-exosomes-coronavirus-truth/

https://livingfullynourished.com/news/en/2020/04/23/0001/virus-and-exosomes

https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2020/03/scientist-why-everything-you-learned-about-viruses-is-wrong/

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=virus+exosome+similarities&ia=web

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stupid thing is . in all the links. they got all debunked as no true association with viruses

the 'possible future cures using exosomes' is about cancers.
and about manipulating a exosome to act as a ace2 receptor to latch onto a virus and 'glue' it up so it cant then get into a cell

its nothing about exosomes being a virus or viruses being exosomes. apart from idiot uninformed conspiracy guys and girls trying to create false narratives

a exosome is a delivery truck for a factory... giving it the supplies it needs to continue working as is
a virus is a foreign investor trying to take over and convert the factory to make clones of the investor

atleast stop just reading the summarised opinions from soccer-stay at home mom bloggers like the median article and actually read the studies they pretend say are virus related

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the stupid thing about the kaufman guy is he make stupid slideshows of info that is not correct
corona virus is not 500nm inside a cell
and exosomes are not inside cells at 500nm

exosomes (hint is in the EX) are external to cells and are 30-100nm
exosomes are created by endosomes.. endosomes are inside cells and are 500nm
endosomes are not exosomes but an endosome is a catterpiller to a buttlerfly in badecker analogy

an endosome does not move around the body. an endosome is not a virus either
a corona virus enters and leaves cells and is ~150nm


exosomes contain a evolutionary conserved protein sequence that can show which human cell it came from.
viruses do not, they only contain the viral RNA and there is no human element of evolution history in corona virus

exosomes can be manipulated to be used as a treatment for covid but are not the cause of covid

I am inclined to agree with your arguments.

But if atomic theory is correct. Then essentially humans ,viruses 🦠, exosome , even pieces of shit are made of

protons neutrons and electrons .

So both you and badecker are simply disagreeing about patterns of protons neutron and electrons.

How do we classify them. How do they react with each other.

Essentially you both could be right and are caught up in semantics of classification.

A pear 🍐 Is eaten  by any animal. Seed not digested falls out in a piece of shit into good soil and grows to a tree 🌳 full of pears 🍐. An animal comes by eats the pears. Takes a dump cycle repeats.

So is a pear a seed a tree or a piece of shit?

I would argue a little of all of the above.
Certainly an animal 🦒 only cares when its a pear.

Certainly if you go to the smaller items that build a pear, a seed ,a tree, a piece of shit, its all protons neutrons electrons. 

Now think of the piece of shit as a virus and think of a pear as an exosome.

When examining them they seem to have zero relationship. but they are involved in a realationship.

Still I side more with your arguments then badeckers .

They didn't get debunked. Rather, they are debunking modern virus theory and understanding.

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thats where your double wrong
you mean they are making opinions about how OLD viral theories are wrong
because they keep referring to 1800 stuff

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modern virus FACT has debunked your stupid references about their opinion of how they think old viral theories is wrong

modern technology has confirmed viruses. using many methods many instrument many scanners many microscopes many scientific analysis, many chemical studies. many rna sequencing methods

i know your references are taking 1800 studies and saying 1800 studies are wrong because 1800 scientists didnt have nanoscopes(their only formal argument)

but whats not said is modern nanoscopes can see viruses and can see they look different to exosomes and different to bacteria and different to fungus.

and its just funny how you keep ignoring modern science and try to make it seem like modern science has disproved victorian science. when the FACT is that it proves viruses are different to bacteria, fungus and exosomes

In a mere sense of understanding, viruses simply exist within the environment where livings live, so many things causes virus effects and somehow too created. I can't actualise that virus exist or not but the fact is that the great pharma creates global viruses, in year ago, Ebola was created in Nigeria which kills so many lives in the territory but later stopped at some point. So meanwhile corona virus is created too Bubba unknown big fish.

Come on, franky1. Wake up. All you are trying to do is ignore 21st Century findings, and glue yourself to 20th Century so-called knowledge.

There is a whole new world of information out there. You are maintaining the old info like religious dogma.

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badecker you ran out of scripts so now your trying to take my words as your own.. thats even more stupid because your flip flops are just getting too noticable

anyway. here is a nice long article that shows kaufmans flawed stupidity
http://www.integralworld.net/visser169.html

summary
corona virus uses ACE-2 as its entry point.
exosomes use many ways as its entry point

corona uses a certain protein to trick a cell into thinking its a product that must be accepted and copied
its this trick protein that is compared to an exosome protein. NOT a corona is a exosome
not that the entire genetic protein makeup are the same
shape function,purpose. are all different

the cells 'factory' doesnt just produce exosomes. they produce whatever blueprint they are handed as long as they have this 'trick protein. so although a virus uses the same factory as an exosome. doesnt mean that it must be an exosome

otherwise your just calling all biology an exosome. and thats just ignorance of the complexities of biology

its like a animal shelter letting any animal in because it has a tail and your trying to say that a cat is a dog because of the tail
but reality tells us a dog looks different to a cat. and has different features and they act differently
a dog mainly can only get in and out of a room via someone opening the door for it.
a cat can use a cat flap or sneak in via a window or use the door

exosomes are a domesticated cat
tumour causing agents are a wildcat
viruses are a wild dog
vaccines are a tamed and domesticated and neutered dog

Regarding your link, Solomon said, "The more the words, the less the meaning. And how does that profit anyone."

Why should I continually repeat myself? When you repeat yourself over and over, thinking that you are right because you say it many times, that's a form of science. It's called political science, where lies and everything else are accepted, as long as you can talk longer and louder than somebody who knows what he is talking about.

As long as you think:
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exosomes are domesticated cats
tumour causing agents are wildcats
viruses are wild dogs
vaccines are tamed and domesticated and neutered dogs
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there isn't really any point to any discussion with you. I probably should have listened to tvbcof long ago. But it is kinda fun playing with you.

After all, the things that you say exist all over the place in writings. But the things that I say exist in the cells.

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EDIT: One important item that almost proves Kaufman to be right is, in your linked, long-winded article, there is a line that says, "Kaufman's video has now been fllagged by YouTube as 'inappropriate content'—I am sure conspirationists will scream 'censorship'!"

Note the word "fllagged." The joker author is so inept that he can't even do a simple spell check. But I suppose you will tell him about it so that he can change it, so that I will be shown to be wrong when anybody goes to his site.

so in all that, all you could respond with is by being a grammar nazi

anyway the answers are in the cells and the analysis of the cell. not in your debunked influencers who think its an exosome because they only see a circle and not a square and think all circle things are the same

kaufman referenced a doctors name and then put a quote into it. however the quote does not exist and the doctor kaufman referenced even corrected kaufman as a liar.

so when kaufman says he is basing his opinion on another doctors study. and the other doctor says his study never said the things kaufman pretends it says. and even reading the study shows it never said the stuff kaufman says it did
then kaufmans opinion is based on no study and just a stupid empty opinion kaufman made up

You're a fake, franky1. What's worse is that you know it. Here's what I mean.

When somebody gets sick and is tested, if a virus is found to be the culprit, doctors need to have a bottom-line base somewhere. They need a foundational piece of tested knowledge that they can compare the tests of their patients against, to see and know for a fact that this is what their patients have.

It's like comparing parts. You take the test part from the patient, and you compare it to something that you know for a fact is a virus or bacteria. If the test parts are the same, he has the disease. If they are different, who knows what he has.

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So, let's assume that viruses exist for a moment. Let's even assume that SARS-CoV-2 exists. In order for us to know that SARS-CoV-2 exists, somebody had to do some original tests to prove it.

The process for finding a virus includes several steps... I'm talking the original find. And these steps must be meticulously done so that there are no mistakes made, so that we don't identify something that is not the virus we are looking for. The steps include taking a sample of some body fluid, filtering it, separating it with a centrifuge, etc.

One of the most important steps is to take some of the supposed isolated virus, and inject it into at least dozens of people, but better, into several hundred, to see if any of them get sick. If they get sick just like the original test subject, then the same kinds of fluid need to be taken from all of them, and filtered, and centrifuged, and compared with whatever was taken from the first guy.

Only when they all come up with the same part (virus) comparison as the first guy... only then do we know that we have the right virus.

Of course, if they don't get sick, we need to go back and test the first guy some more. Or we know that the virus was something that only harmed the one guy.

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Throughout all of this, meticulous records need to be kept. They will be used by other doctors to do comparisons when they have sick patients, so they can know which virus the patients have.

If you know what you are talking about, find us an original test report, + the reports from injecting into the several hundred patients, + the reports of those patients showing that they all got sick, all were tested in the same way the first guy was, and all had the same virus.

And don't just throw some links up in a post. Show us wording from the links that prove that the original virus taken from the original sick guy, was injected into the other dozens or hundreds, and that they all got sick, and that their tests showed it was the same virus as the first guy.

You are copy-paste capable, aren't you? I mean, if you can't copy-paste, maybe a buddy could do it for you. Show us a foundational test report, and the part of the report that proves the virus even exists and is dangerous and able to infect other people. I'm talking about the SARS-CoV-2 virus and testing like I briefly explained, above.

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you are returning back to your january scripts again
so here is a reminder. maybe write it down on a post it note and attach it to your screen for future reference

its august 2020.. not january
they have studied sas-cov-2 to know the symptomology and they have got soo many samples now an they sequenced them and compared them they have isolated the virus and then purposefully infected another specimen to see if that isolated pathogen causes the same symptoms and it does. they done it to pass the koch, rivers and bell criteria

there is no need to reboot your january scripts because you been debunked many times now

they know the sequence of the rna they know it is similar to SARS and not ebola and in no way is an exosome
they know its has no evolutionary history of being from a human years ago or recent.. so there is no way it was human biology that has had time to evolve into this strain
its not a illness that is already in people and manifests due to certain environment
emphasis its not something pre-existant in humans, thats triggered
it is a foreign pathogen that infects people and causes illness
the pathogen is of the viral category. and not bacterial,fungal, poison.

so i hope your now back uptodate. and i hope you dont forget again this time

i already linked you the sequencing of thousands
and i even showed you clusters of thousands done one process and also clusters of them done other processes. thus it also debunks your other scripts of a flawed process

different countries have many many many thousands of records of patients. hospitals in local area's use one process for their thousands of patients. other area's use other processes and yet they all come to the same results.

your in ability to read and click links is your problem of your own personal ignorance. so dont blame your ignorance as the reason(you think) the virus doesnt exist. blame your ignorance as the reason your ignorant. because reality is the virus does exist

now change your script because your very out of date with reality

As I have been trying to tell you. It's 2020. We have the Microsphere Nanoscope. It's destroying a whole lot of 20th Century understanding of how the cells and medicine really work. But you haven't noticed that all of your understanding of cells and medicine are founded on 20th Century faulty research.

You can't stop the advancement of the new discoveries... that we never knew what we were talking about all along. And now we are proving it with the MN.

Do you ever wonder why there is so little info coming out about the MN discoveries? The world should be resounding with MN pictures where researchers are saying things like, "This is marvelous. Now we are seeing that we were right about this and that, all of which we assumed to be true by inference, back in the 20th Century."

But if they are saying things like that, it's only a little. Instead, they are rather quiet about MN discoveries. Why? Because they were way wrong in the 20th Century. And they don't know how to break it to the public without destroying their own reputations as people who have had the knowledge.

They are maintaining the lie that they knew what they were talking about. The fact that they now see that viruses are way different "things" than they always though, is one of the things they have found out.

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Reports are detailed. The fact that you can't show us the foundational reports, and especially the testing of the new virus in other people, shows that you aren't knowledgeable enough, or that there was never any testing.

Come on. Show us the wording in the foundational reports where they extracted and isolated the Covid virus, and then injected it into a bunch of other people making them sick thereby, and then extracted and isolated the virus from these other people, and found that it was the same as the virus they extracted and isolated from the first guy.

This is so important that somebody must have done it. And you, with all your research abilities, should easily be able to find these original reports - or secondary reports where they did the same - and you should be able to show and explain it to us. Or maybe the reports don't exist?

Notice that I link all kinds of info that is easy to understand. Since research and medical reports aren't easy to understand, please explain them to us... if they exist.

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you link reprimanded ex doctors who misquote other doctors

i showed you the links to the actual reports.
just because you cant read them doesnt make them irrelevant it just means your asking for things you never want to understand and thus you become more of an idiot by ignoring the info you asked for by saying that you cant understand it

if your not prepared to learn something. then stop asking for it
but all you do is ask and the moan that you dont understand it..
so try to learn how to understand it. do some proper research.. or admit you have no intention of learning. and you dont actually want real answers.

If this is what you really believe, why don't you show the reports that I ask for, the way I ask above? Can't you at least say that here (link) is a basic, foundational report that shows the real trials and tests the way I ask for them in my previous post? Or don't you think that being sure about a virus is important?

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in my country there is news that covid-19 is a conspiracy made to frighten. but I don't see that and the reality is that many people have suffered and experienced death due to covid-19, and have even touched medical personnel who operationally know whether Covid-19 really exists or not. who would want to sacrifice himself because of unbelief which the frontline officers, namely doctors, have experienced.

So I do not believe in the news that says that Covid-19 is a conspiracy and that is very misleading because there will be many who do not heed health protocols resulting in many people being infected and continue to be out of control. sorry for the medical staff who have tried so hard to cope but the crowd is not committed to taking good care of themselves according to the rules of health protocol.

The point is that the only way to determine if a virus is the culprit, is to do some strict tests. These tests involve,
- extracting some material from a sick subject,
- filtering the material so all that is left is virus-sized stuff or smaller,
- centrifuging this stuff to separate out the various substances,
- drawing off and testing the substances at different levels in the centrifuge,
- chemically testing each group for virus-like reactions (viruses are too small to see),
- growing each separated out material that looks like a virus in a petri dish so that...
- inject the material into several hundred test subjects to see if they get sick,
- withdraw some material from the sick ones (if there are any),
- test this material in the same way the original was tested to see if it is the same material as the original.

Various methods might vary somewhat from isolation and identification of a virus. But essentially, these are the steps that must be done regarding identifying a new virus.

I'm still looking for a test report that shows that Covid was identified this way. If it wasn't, there probably isn't any Covid... at least not that we know for sure. If it isn't Covid, what might it be? It could easily be a strain of some other kind of virus. And it might be lack of sun spots doing something to the atmosphere. It could be any number of other things.

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test reports were shown to badecker multiple times
his amnesia or dimensia is his failing
covid has passed the kosh rivers and bell. and badecker keeps needing to be reminded of it

part of PCR tests include the centrifuge part that badecker keeps crying about is needed
if he actually researched he would know
but ignoring, forgetting and crying is the only reason badecker thinks he doesnt have a report.

its been dubbed an umbrella term covid pcr test as a common phrase not a description
the full common umbrella term is the covid prc testing kit. because it includes many processes and alsomany parts

the rest of the world know its been proven and hundreds of thousands of people have died and had family members witness to the symptoms
many many thousands of doctors have both witnesses the symptoms and also done lots of scans and blood tests and swabs including urine and fecal matter aswell as nasal, throat and even lung broncio lavage (lung fluid) tests.

badeckers ignorance is why he cant find anything
badeckers ignorance is his flaw

badecker gets informed of the results. and for one day accepts it and then goes into ignorance of amnesia mode the next day
his latest effort is that 1000's of test subjects need to be seen as getting sick
well lots of specimens have been infected

labs around the world have done there own tests so while badecker tries to ask for one report that has such specifics. he then cries that its not layed out in simple english
and when he gets the simple english summary he cries that its not specifically detailed enough


what he should find is hundreds of reports with it all containing the info he ignorantly asks for but then deny ever getting

badecker keeps getting stuck on the centrifuge part because he heard in a video that centrifuges are not used (idiots beleives anything on youtube)
so here is the UK government showing that centrifuges are part of the process
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-guidance-for-clinical-diagnostic-laboratories/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-handling-and-processing-of-laboratory-specimens#centrifugation

heres the US saying the word centrifuge several times
https://www.fda.gov/media/137120/download

You are so humorous. :D

All that your links show is that people all over the place know that certain steps must be followed to correctly ID any virus. What they don't show is that the steps were applied, and more importantly, that the steps were applied successfully.

As long as you keep on posting useless info, rather than reports where the steps are expressedly written about as they are being done, you are continually missing it.

However, I understand. You wouldn't know a process-usage if it jumped right up and bit you in the eyeball. And that's the other reason why you can't even copy and paste the parts of any report that show the actual test being applied. What's the first reason? They aren't there.

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the things your ignorant of is now you admit you accept the process is correct.
you can now go and look at the studies i linked a few times over the last couple months that show the process being done.
you can even see the links refer to extra info like the pictures of the patients xrays and other sampling tests/scans that double verify the specific issues,symptoms of those studied

then you can look at the studies of the koch/rivers/bell passing studies. the ones where it includes pictures of the mice and hampsters they tested it on. which includes other sampling/scans that double verify

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you been told all this many times and now its just your ignorance and amnesia that is failing you. not the studies..

i know your next game is to just accept the process is corect in this topic, so creating a new topic to go back to being ignorant again.. your post history shows you played this game before
and its getting boring.

maybe look at your post history to see your flip flops from the past before deciding to make a new post

Does that even make sense?     8)

it makes sense when looking at your overall post history.

anyways
you said i showed you links recently that showed the steps that must be taken to identify a virus
thus you admit the process exists

previously and multiple times i showed you links to loads of studies of them doing the process
thats what you are ignorant of now

so now you accept the process you can alleviate your ignorance and look at the studies using the process

oh and by the way the process has existed even before covid was a word you ever used in any post on this forum. so dont say its a new process only used this month

Seems to me that I have been showing you for more than two months that several processes exist.


Seems to me that not once were you able or willing to show the parts of any record that expressed one of the processes being properly followed to its for-sure conclusion.



The point isn't how many processes exist, or how long they existed. The point isn't even somebody's attempt to follow a process. As Dr. Andrew Kaufman showed, the original Chinese processes for SARS were attempted. Some to all of the steps were followed in part. But they were never followed critically... in such a way that they produced for-sure results.

While Dr. Kaufman didn't go into the step process for Covid - at least not that I have seen - he DID state that the same kind of inappropriate and improper following of the process steps were done for Covid, as well.

The thing that Dr. Kaufman was basing his conclusion on was the reports. Nobody knows what some doctor or researcher does in his fun time. He might even perfectly prove that SARS-CoV-2 exists. But if he can't write it in his reports properly, nobody but he really knows.

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and the idiot is now saying he has been saying there are several processes when he was the one saying there is no process because he thought there was no way to identify it because he thought it must be an exosome
then the idiot above thought that 'centrifuge' was the only step/process. and i corrected him once again


what an ignorant flip flop idiot
i was the one telling him the processes.

yes thousands of studies have came to a fore-gone conclusion
they include images of xrays and blood samples that double verify the sickness existed in the subject

and millions of tests have been done to a foregone conclusion(just positive or negative result) without it being a waffly exploration,experimentation, explanation report attached

once a process has passed the koch, rivers. bell and the lab can show they follow the standards/procedure. they can just get on and do millions of tests without having to give blowjobs to idiots to explain every detail every time

they actually have equipment now (for many months) that the labs use. its not just random processes mixed together changing by the second. its set equipment to a set process with set chemicals. (aka a set process)

i know you want a metaphoric blowjob to pander to your ignorance per every test.
and you seem to not want to be happy unless you get millions of metaphoric blowjobs

but thats not how the real world works
once a process has been proved to work, along with sub processes to double check the reliability of the processes (double checking the reagents are pure from contamination. and many other things)

but now you have accepted that process that has been around for the entire time does work. you have to accept that they are doing the tests

because millions of people around the world have taken the test and got their results back

im not sure if your next ploy is to say people are not getting tested because you think no one is getting sick so your trying to next assume all the test numbers are of fake people that dont exist.

but the reality is millions of people have been tested. and got their results
hundreds of thousands of doctors have witnessed the symptoms, seems the xrays seen the test results
hundreds of thousands of lab techs have witnessed the processes

kaufman is not even a doctor that knows about this area of medicine/biology nor is even in a position to witness the patients or the lab processes.

so like i said many months ago
go to your local hospital and speak to the real medical people treating patients and running tests/scans and stop being an ignorant idiot following cultish sites that interveiw people that are not even in the frontline hospital profession. even if they stitch a brand 'frontline' on their coats

so you also aacknowledge i linked you a list of thousands of sequences
so here again just for youhere is just one example
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/1798174254
it is full of study notes and references and also includes links to them
take this one
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32015508/
which shows
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32015508/#&gid=article-figures&pid=extended-data-fig-1-uid-3
which is the xray OF THE PATIENT IN THAT PARTICULAR STUDY

now its for you to go check the studies and to understand the details they contain.
because they contain alot of detail.
so go read them. like i told you to moths ago

^^^ I agree regarding protocols. Why is it that you can't show any details in any reports that show that anybody followed the protocols?

All that blab. And all it remains is blab, at least until you can show the protocols being followed in the reports. However, since the reports could be lies, perhaps you could point out the report makers, so that we could follow up with them if we wanted to.

I'm not saying these things don't exist in the reports. All I am saying is that you can't prove that they do by even pointing them out to anyone, from even one report. Probably you don't have a clue as to what exists and what doesn't.

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did you even read the pubmed reports

'Pathogenic' viruses do not exist




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so Dr lanka would go out and try to find a non venomous spider and than say because of that 1 species of spider he beleives no spider is venomous(facepalm)

so dr lanka would go out and find someone that has drove a car for 70 years without a car crash. and then believe no car crashes ever happen to any cars/drivers(facepalm)

here is a fun fact for you
spiders and viruses are not clever, they do not have brains to make a conscious decision to not become harmful. what happens is natural evolution where each ancestry mutates and where a spider with all the markings of a black widow but has less venom is still not attacked by others. but ends up living longer because it just doesnt bite large species and thus is not swatted/stamped on as much and so the non venomous version ends up living longer
its not a conscious intelliagent thought. its not something that happens overnight. it happens over many many generations

same goes for some viruses. like the algae one that has been around since ancient times when you analyse the sequence to see what family it belongs to

it didnt just pop up in 6 months suddenly being harmonious. over many thousands of years a variant that is less problematic to the host was able to replicate at such a slow rate the algae outgrows the damage caused. thus allowing the virus to continue replicating longer without killing the host

thus mutation is not a thing that happens after 1 generation(couple days-weeks) this is something that happens over a decade/century/millenia

so to rpre-empt your future flip flops
if you think that sars can mutate within a few months to become symbiotic. then you really are not understanding the facts of life.
and if you think that viruses do no harm then you are very ignorant.

you seem to be stuck in a binary thought of symbiotic or deadly and you think there is no inbetween
you think sars-cov-2 infects people and everyone has no symptoms but then must suddenly die. because you keep ignoring, avoid mentioning the amount of people going to hospital with severe symptoms

The fact that there aren't any viruses shows that it is the medical liars who are clever.

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so now your debunking dr lanka by saying dr lanka never found a virus
flip or flop. which is it

by you now saying dr lanka never found a virus. why even reference dr lanka at all.
the more likely reality is viruses do exist and there is a scale of devistation they can cause.
its not a 0% or 100% there is a scale inbetween
and new viruses never seen before that do different things than their ancestors can use different issues

but if you think that viruses are not real. then there is nothing to try to be 'herd immune' against because you beleive there is nothing to harm the immune system.
so which flip flop is it.

You can call blades of grass viruses if you want. He found something that he called viruses. But notice that they weren't the same as many of his colleagues suggested.

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Viruses don't exist. They are simply a method being used by medical leaders to make money.


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I don't want us to type past each other but it's pretty easy to tell that viruses exist. You've gotten a cold or the flu before. Do you believe you were being poisoned the entire time, and every time you've gotten the flu or a cold?

I'll watch your conspiracy videos because I find it entertaining. I kinda hate the YouTube is tryin to wipe those out. I love conspiracy videos.

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Man, I was expecting some of that classic conspiracy genre long video going down path after path of conspiracy theorizing. I love that stuff. This seemed so much lamer.... Come on Badecker, you've gotta have something better than this.

That's your indoctrination talking. Step out of belief, and get into knowledge. Sure, the knowledge isn't that viruses don't exist. Rather, the knowledge is that most of the basic virus knowledge isn't knowledge at all, but only assumptions.

Take a look at this - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269412.msg55022594#msg55022594 - and then seriously start to study with an eye for things that have actually been prove. Viruses aren't proven. Evidence, maybe. But no proof.

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 ARE YOU GUYS IN YOUR SENSES?

DO ANY OF U HV ANY QUALIFICATION WHATSOEVER... THIS IS BS OF THE EXTREME KIND... I HOPE SOMEONE TAKES AWAY YOUR LAPTOP, MOBILE, ETC. SO U CAN STOP WRITING NON SENSE.

So, you haven't checked into it. The whole virus idea from its inception has only been a theory.

It's only in 2011 that we have had a microscope that could see "living" viruses in living tissue. Everything that is said about viruses is based on the assumption that we understood/understand chemical reactions properly.

Now that we are seeing that exosomes are the same as viruses, we are seeing that we have been wrong all these 150 years, and that we should have followed the other theory back then.

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Ohh man... R u refering to this or something more elaborate?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2248418/

Cause even if we go by this; it doesnt disprove the way we view viruses.

People direct so much valuable energy on some meanless things...
People who made it out have too much free time and should probably find a job.
This is proved by British scientists, btw.

badecker said only able to see viruses for 9 years
so straight away debunks his topic by saying viruses are not real
because for 9 years they proved they exist by being able to see them


i think badecker started the topic with stories he read 100 years ago
and now debunked himself by saying that viruses can now be seen. meaning it proves viruses exist


reality is that viruses were able to be recognised for many many many decades. but badecker even in his narrow searches. still debunked himself

What? Didn't you check out the OP? And the other links and posts?

Disproving virus views isn't important. The thing that is important is proving virus views. Let's prove that viruses exist. Then someone might decide to disprove them.

So far, virus is all a story. Absolutely something exists. And naming it virus might be as good as any other name. But the information we have about viruses is based on loads of assumptions and guesswork. How do we know? Because up until 2011 we have never been able to see them in action. They are too small to be seen acting in living tissue with accepted microscopes and microscopy... up until 2011 and the Microsphere Nanoscope, that is.

Now that we can see the things that we call viruses in action, we see that their activity is different enough than what we had assumed, that they aren't what we expected at all. In other words, the question of viruses existing in the first place is back on the table.

As there might be billions of different kinds of viruses, there also are billions of different kinds of exosomes. And some of these exosomes appear to be exactly the same as some of the viruses. We simply haven't been able to compare enough exosomes with enough so-called viruses to see if there is an exosome that looks the same as every virus. But if there is, how do we know that we haven't been analyzing exosomes all along, since exosomes come out of, and enter the cells, as well?

The point is, all virus knowledge has been found to be guesswork. Why? Because using modern microscopy we are literally SEEING that things are way different than what we have been assuming for viruses all along.

Let's first prove that viruses exist. Then we can start to attempt to disprove them.

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Guys, just look at BADeckers post history. Makes no sense to discuss with him. He is a fanatic and won't change his opinion. No matter what you tell him. In his fked up mind only he and some Youtube-experts know the whole truth and everything that science (real scientist!) has discovered so far is bullshit. He probably hasn't read a proper science paper in his whole life but tries to prove his point with more and more shady sources.

Just let this thread die, it's a shame that this title really sparks an discussion. It's a perfect example how the availablity of information in our digital world can become a problem. Some people can't process this sheer amount of information anymore and can't see the difference between fiction and reality anymore.

You sound just like those religious science-deniers of ages ago. If Galileo lived today, he would look at you jokers and shake his head in disgust:
I show you the beginnings of the proof for exosomes being viruses, and all you do is turn away from the proof.

Today's religion isn't the Roman Catholic Church. Today's religion is modern medicine which hasn't advance in its basics for a hundred years. Rather than learning how to cure somebody, they stick to their dogma of cut/poison/irradiate. The people are having way more success than the medical, with simple nutrition.

And now, when the truth of medical stupidity starts to dome out into the open, all you naive jokers can do is try to destroy it, just like you do with so many of the wonderful things of nature.

A "Novel" Breakthrough? New Studies Show Memory T-Cells Offer Long Term And Pre-Existing COVID Immunity - https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/novel-breakthrough-new-studies-show-memory-t-cells-offer-long-term-and-pre-existing-covid

SCAMDEMIC SCIENCE: Coronavirus “cases” are medically meaningless, yet being used to justify weaponized lockdowns to destroy humanity - https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-08-20-scamdemic-science-coronavirus-cases-medically-meaningless.html

Governor of Maine Orders Restaurant Staff to Wear COVID Visors Like Dog Cones - https://www.prisonplanet.com/governor-of-maine-orders-restaurant-staff-to-wear-covid-visors-like-dog-cones.html

As Covid Hospitalizations Disappear, Authoritarians Refuse To Give Up - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4guvOW9Go4

People everywhere are dying because the corrupt FDA won't let them have hydroxychloroquine - https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-08-20-people-everywhere-dying-because-fda-wont-allow-hydroxychloroquine.html

Fear Is a Viral Monster  - https://thefallingdarkness.com/fear-is-a-viral-monster/

"The Pandemic Will Eventually Go Away... But The Debt Will Remain" - https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pandemic-will-eventually-go-away-debt-will-remain

The Case For Lockdowns, Masks, School Closures, 'Distancing' Has Just Collapsed - http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/august/20/the-case-for-lockdowns-masks-school-closures-distancing-has-just-collapsed/


And all of that is based around the stupid, useless Covid pandemic. Maybe as much as 99% of the medical industry is simply a sham to make money and take freedom away from the people.  And rather than find out the truth, you support the collapse of health and freedom for people around the world.

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I do not intend to change his opinion or anything, more like understand it. I saw his posts and thought he is trolling; but looks as if he is fully committed to the ideas he espouses; it astonishes me for he sounds logical; but fails to account for anything tht doesn't subscribe to his views. I just wanna know HOW?

he has no logic. and flip flops all the time so he is not even committed to the idea's he espouses

to me he just has a list of cultish conspiracy sites and he just opies and pastes whatever story he read and for a few days jumps in to defend that story, untill a new story pops up and he jumps into that one even if the first one is the counter argument to it.

in the last 5 months he has not shown any single minded thought that has had merit or and resemblance to sticking to one narrative. he has gone back and forth too much.

Reporting after being sick with COVID for 2 weeks

Viruses DO exist.

How bad is COVID? Pretty bad, not as bad as I thought tho.
In 2 weeks of being sick I had a loss of strength, felt very sleepy and for 2 days I had severe symptoms.
I took anti-inflammation pills and indian herbal cough syrup by Mehta Herbals. Both products are very cheap and were present on pharma market long before the COVID epidemic.
I still have slight symptoms but in general feel well.

My lung capacity is lower than usual, hopefully it will recover soon enough.

So in summary:
If you're young you'll probably won't get affected by covid too much, but if you have health problems you can get really sick and even die if your immune system doesn't react fast enough.

When I was 20, I got sick with chicken pox and for me personally it was worse.

That could be why it lasted for 2 weeks. It doesn't last more than a couple of days in healthy people that let their immune system kill the infection.

There is a difference between trolling, and producing information that has references. Check out BADecker's posts at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=149737;sa=showPosts. Check out the reference links.

Like anybody, BADecker posts some info without references once in a while. But unlike many people, BADecker posts lots of links. Why does BADecker post links in his posts? To show that BADecker isn't trolling, but that there is data and info backing what he says.

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Says who?

Of course viruses exist. But they aren't what you might think they are.

Watch this 2-minute video - https://bluecat.media/carlos-piccata-shasta-county-speech/.


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