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Title: Merit count
Post by: Peanutswar on August 21, 2020, 05:48:51 AM
Right now I was wondering about this kind of feature which there is a count of the recent merit beside is the number of merits given. I come up with this idea because some of the games I recently played there is a monitoring sheet for your current points plus the additional points you will receive so I think what if there is a chance it will go the same with bitcointalk.

Also, it is good to see the progress of your merit like when you received your first 100,200... merit.



Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: OcTradism on August 21, 2020, 06:00:00 AM
It can be done with user script and you can ask for helpful community members to help you build up the script.

From my stance view, it is not needed but if you think it is needed you are free to make script request and wait. :)

List of Bitcointalk.org Userscripts/ Add-ons (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148488.0)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148488.msg52264117#msg52264117


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: jademaxsuy on August 21, 2020, 06:01:19 AM
Yeah seeing the stats of the merit beside and the number of the merits received is somehow like a motivation to do well in the forum. As we all know that not all are quality posters and most are average posters like me but somehow manage to get some merits from the past days. LOL, anyway getting merit is somehow like getting acknowledge by the users here around.

Good for you OP and you deserve it. This is one thing that you can be so proud of in this forum for behaving well and being helpful.

Anyway, there are other great users here too that start from newbie rank and now become a legendary like DdmmrDdmmr & CryptopreneurBrainboss. Those guys are very active here  and known to rank up in the merit system created by theymos. There are other users as well but they are many to mentions. Well, we do not know too that one day you will became a legend. Just keep it up OP and you can achieve something really great in the forum.


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: TheUltraElite on August 21, 2020, 06:11:49 AM
Currently there is no such feature.

However the most I needed this was when enrolling for a new campaign which ask you to post the total received merits in the last 120days. With some mental maths it is easy to put down a very close to accurate number for it.

For example: I count the number of times I got 1merit and then add the ones where I got 1+ merit separately and then add the two. It takes a little bit of time but of course I feel doing this is better than just being lazy to rely on a script to do it for you.

Of course a script to count it would help for longer lists, but mine is not that long anyway :D


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: Yogee on August 21, 2020, 06:29:01 AM
.....For example: I count the number of times I got 1merit and then add the ones where I got 1+ merit separately and then add the two. It takes a little bit of time but of course I feel doing this is better than just being lazy to rely on a script to do it for you.
I read about this merit counter bot and judging from the comments, it works.
Telegram Bot name : @BitcointalkProjectBot
Topic - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224339.0

There's always a smarter way to do things. If you use tools, it saves you valuable time but it doesn't mean you're lazy. 


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: Jet Cash on August 21, 2020, 07:18:46 AM
This seems to be moving merit back into the realms of signature sales revenue. I think this is a retrograde step. as merit was intended to provide posters with guidance on the making of quality contributions. It would be better if sig campaign managers spent a bit more time evaluating the recent posts of applicants, rather than just asking for a merit total which may have been manipulated.


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: BIT-BENDER on August 21, 2020, 07:40:59 AM
I think naturally or without stress a forum user has track of their merit count and when a new merit comes in they no which took them to -xx merit count- this might be forgotten after a while but the merit count is arranged in ascending order from bottom to top so if you in need of it you can solve that.
I don't see any use of it numbering which merit took you to which merit count when the merit count is in ascending order from when received. If a particular merit count is special -there is a possibility that it might expires after 120 days expires so to the aim of it still defeated-  there is an option to save it
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5171113.0


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: Eureka_07 on August 21, 2020, 07:54:06 AM
This seems to be moving merit back into the realms of signature sales revenue. I think this is a retrograde step. as merit was intended to provide posters with guidance on the making of quality contributions. It would be better if sig campaign managers spent a bit more time evaluating the recent posts of applicants, rather than just asking for a merit total which may have been manipulated.

Indeed. Some threads/posts aren't getting any merit even they are quality contents.
That's why some users have small amount of merits received for 120 days, or even the whole time since they joined the forum.
But gladly, some signature campaign managers still chooses those applicants that has quality contents over the number of merits received.
But we can't deny the fact that applicants that has lots of merits received are most of the time, are quality posters.


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: Mpamaegbu on August 21, 2020, 08:24:12 AM
This over reliance on bots/scripts to do stuff that are even minute has caused mankind the type of laziness that hasn't been seen since the generations past. It isn't any issue counting one's merits if one wishes to do so. It's just a few minutes. It isn't even a matter of breaking sweat. Remember that exercising the brain keeps one healthy.


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: LoyceMobile on August 21, 2020, 02:59:34 PM
However the most I needed this was when enrolling for a new campaign which ask you to post the total received merits in the last 120days. With some mental maths it is easy to put down a very close to accurate number for it.
See https://loyce.club/120days/


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: TryNinja on August 21, 2020, 03:14:29 PM
You can also use my script to see that info on everyone's merit page.

Display total sent/ received merits last 120 days on user merit stat page (v.0.2) * (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148488.msg53143412#msg53143412)


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: UserU on August 21, 2020, 03:44:59 PM
See https://loyce.club/120days/

A search function (for the username) would be nice, though ;D


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: TryNinja on August 21, 2020, 03:50:49 PM
A search function (for the username) would be nice, though ;D
Just put your user id in the URL and go to the page directly: https://loyce.club/Merit/history/1452494.html (then bookmark it).

Spoiler, but my next version of the SuperNotifier bot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248878.0) (releasing in the next few days) will also have something like this. :)


Clicked in the wrong link. :P


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: LoyceV on August 21, 2020, 04:04:12 PM
See https://loyce.club/120days/
A search function (for the username) would be nice, though ;D
You mean like CTRL-F?


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: Rikafip on August 21, 2020, 04:09:17 PM
This over reliance on bots/scripts to do stuff that are even minute has caused mankind the type of laziness that hasn't been seen since the generations past. It isn't any issue counting one's merits if one wishes to do so. It's just a few minutes. It isn't even a matter of breaking sweat. Remember that exercising the brain keeps one healthy.
Humans always looked for a way to make their life easier, from most simple tasks to those really complex ones, and this is no different. It's not a problem to count merit if you received few dozens in the last 120 days, but it ain't fun when you have to count few hundred.
For that purpose I am using one of those Telegram bots so I don't see it really necessary to be included as one of the forum features, but wouldn't have anything against it either.


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on August 21, 2020, 09:57:19 PM
But gladly, some signature campaign managers still chooses those applicants that has quality contents over the number of merits received.
Hopefully.  I have the Services section on ignore, so I don't know how many campaigns are running or who the top campaign managers are, aside from Yahoo62278 and DarkStar_, but if there's any sort of merit requirement for acceptance into a campaign, that's a positive.  It might not be a perfect way to weed out shitposters, nor to select the best applicants, but it's a start.

But we can't deny the fact that applicants that has lots of merits received are most of the time, are  qualiyt posters.
That's probably true.  If a member has a decent number of earned merits, I think it's more likely they were earned legitimately rather than bought or obtained through some other inappropriate means (unless it's a purchased account, of course, in which case all bets are off).

This seems to be moving merit back into the realms of signature sales revenue. I think this is a retrograde step. as merit was intended to provide posters with guidance on the making of quality contributions.
I agree, but I've thrown up my hands and given up on trying to combat merit abuse/misuse.  As far as I'm concerned, as a merit source my primary concern is to distribute merits to worthy posts so as to keep the system running. 


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: UserU on August 22, 2020, 07:33:01 AM

You mean like CTRL-F?

I mean a search bar which. So if I were to input a username, the result would show its Merit count in the last 120 days.


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: LoyceV on August 22, 2020, 07:52:13 AM
I mean a search bar which. So if I were to input a username, the result would show its Merit count in the last 120 days.
Sorry, I only publish it when requested by the user.


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: UserU on August 22, 2020, 10:28:02 AM
Sorry, I only publish it when requested by the user.

That's fine. Can I have mine published? Just to check.


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: LoyceV on August 22, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Can I have mine published? Just to check.
Read the first line (https://loyce.club/120days/)
Something broke, let me check
It works again :)


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: UserU on August 22, 2020, 03:59:59 PM
Read the first line (https://loyce.club/120days/)
Something broke, let me check
It works again :)

It doesn't show up, here's what I see. Or perhaps I'm missing something? 🧐
https://i.ibb.co/m8tCvRb/5-B283-A8-E-656-B-4-C9-C-ADA1-43-CDE7911-B08.jpg


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: LoyceV on August 22, 2020, 04:02:39 PM
Or perhaps I'm missing something? 🧐
You haven't (https://loyce.club/archive/members/145/1452494.html) posted "Merit earned in the last 120 days:" yet.


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: Insanerman on August 23, 2020, 02:40:42 AM

I cannot see such format. Mine does not have any post counts before the number of merits given to me. I only got the classic one. Is it because of the browser that we are using? Or this is an update to the forum? I think it's not because mine is not updated. So it's because of the browser?


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: DdmrDdmr on August 23, 2020, 09:15:16 AM
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The image is a doctored image, intended to exemplify what the OP had in mind, and set forward as a suggestion to ponder. It is therefore not a running native forum feature, nor is it related to the browser …


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: Peanutswar on August 23, 2020, 09:42:30 AM

I cannot see such format. Mine does not have any post counts before the number of merits given to me. I only got the classic one. Is it because of the browser that we are using? Or this is an update to the forum? I think it's not because mine is not updated. So it's because of the browser?

This is just edited only with my browser.

Inspect element or F12 then edit manually the text. I just got curious if this kind of feature is possible, Also I appreciated all of the information given by the other members. I try to work with a script with the use of this feature.



Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: UserU on August 23, 2020, 10:13:53 AM
Or perhaps I'm missing something? 🧐
You haven't (https://loyce.club/archive/members/145/1452494.html) posted "Merit earned in the last 120 days:" yet.

Got it, now I noticed. Thanks!

Merit earned in the last 120 days:


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: Sanugarid on August 23, 2020, 04:38:00 PM
This seems to be moving merit back into the realms of signature sales revenue. I think this is a retrograde step. as merit was intended to provide posters with guidance on the making of quality contributions. It would be better if sig campaign managers spent a bit more time evaluating the recent posts of applicants, rather than just asking for a merit total which may have been manipulated.
Well I think most of the time, campaign managers guide themselves upon selecting participants with the total merit count and I think they do that because it will be very hard for them to check one by one the posts of the participants. Some campaign managers sometimes have more than 1 campaign at the same time so they are trying to save some time. I salute those campaign managers who does not depend the merit count in selecting participants for the campaign.



I think what is more important is the merit value, I mean the user who gave it to you means a lot. Quantity over quality.

I'd rather get 1 merit from LoyceV, The Pharmacist, and other legendary users than 50 merits from the others or worst inactive and wake up acc.


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: Upgrade00 on August 23, 2020, 05:06:04 PM
I think what is more important is the merit value, I mean the user who gave it to you means a lot. Quantity over quality.
Imo, all merits earned have the same value. Sure, some users are more tech/politically/economically... savvy than others, and it would be more difficult to impress them, but for anyone to merit your post naturally (i.e without any incentive) then they found your contribution helpful and that is a net positive for the forum, whether they are a newbie, or a woke up account.

Getting merits from certain members is dependent on what interests them, you could be very active in the altcoins section for example, a board which most members ignore due to the high level of spam, so getting merits from certain profiles there is impossible, regardless of whether or not your contributions are helpful, but it's still commendable when you get them from others.
I will rate getting merits in certain boards where they're hard to come by, over getting them from select profiles, but that's just me.


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on August 23, 2020, 06:38:33 PM
I think what is more important is the merit value, I mean the user who gave it to you means a lot. Quantity over quality.
Imo, all merits earned have the same value. Sure, some users are more tech/politically/economically... savvy than others, and it would be more difficult to impress them, but for anyone to merit your post naturally (i.e without any incentive) then they found your contribution helpful and that is a net positive for the forum, whether they are a newbie, or a woke up account.
I think what he's trying to say is that someone in a higher rank's merit is valuable than the others, well if you think of that it's making sense obviously, some people are hard to convince with your idea or opinion, you can't impress them easily that's why he said that. I don't really expect for a merit every time I comment or post, literally an incentive for me but I'm really trying to post an honest and quality posts.
And if someone who is reputable in the forum merits you, it's like you just tamed a dragon.

Getting merits from certain members is dependent on what interests them, you could be very active in the altcoins section for example, a board which most members ignore due to the high level of spam, so getting merits from certain profiles there is impossible, regardless of whether or not your contributions are helpful, but it's still commendable when you get them from others.
I will rate getting merits in certain boards where they're hard to come by, over getting them from select profiles, but that's just me.
That's what he's really trying to say actually, "the user who gave it to you would mean a lot" that's what he's trying to say the Merit Value.


Title: Re: Merit count
Post by: LoyceV on August 24, 2020, 08:40:16 AM
I'd rather get 1 merit from LoyceV, The Pharmacist, and other legendary users than 50 merits from the others or worst inactive and wake up acc.
In a way, my sMerit is quite meaningless: I have to get rid of 800 per month. Someone who only has a few has the luxory to only send it to very good posts, so getting one of those should mean more.