Title: Incorrect ban for plagiarism - I copied my own text Post by: melchiades on August 26, 2020, 12:56:43 PM I would like to ask for advice.
I have an ongoing research. Based on my current results I could improve the method of solving proof of works. I was working on a research / economic plan for almost a year and I've reached a point where I could summarize my concept. Documentations about the calculations and scientific methods at an acceptable quality are available, hence the time has come to reach the next level, so to speak. I'm motivated to proceed and I'm planning to do a customized crowdfunding to fund my project. However there are some problems.: I've had a forum profile which was banned in May 2020, after posting a summary about the current problems of quantum computers, and a theoretical proposal about improving the logic layer of an architecture, which can be used to solve pow more efficiently. I was immediately banned without any notification, despite the following facts.:
I've tried to send an email to support in which I accepted the fact that I was banned. However in a polite way I asked the support to justify the decision. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NFYa4RJbjOhJs93n9NJxz6MyGRF9SVfN/view?usp=sharing No answer was given. I would gladly share my doc again here, but I don't want to risk. If you ask for it privately, I could send it. My investigation has nothing to do with personal reasons, I just want to understand the situation, because It would be inconvenient to be banned from the forum again. I accept walking on eggshells, so I would like to ask you the following.:
Thank you for answers / oppinions! update: I just found about it, that an alt profile of a banned profile can't post anywhere else, than meta. Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: suchmoon on August 26, 2020, 01:04:03 PM What's your other account that got banned? You need to appeal that ban if you think it's unjustified. For example, if you got banned for plagiarism then maybe you can prove that you're the original author of that content.
Edit - I can see from your screenshot that it's this account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2752908 Here is the post: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5439/54397864.html It seems to have been copied from Reddit but unfortunately Reddit is crashing right now so I can't verify. If you can prove that you own the Reddit account that posted the same text then you should be able to get unbanned. Edit2 - Reddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/ggrje5/research_for_comment/ Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: melchiades on August 26, 2020, 01:16:53 PM Oh, thanks! That's it! I assure you that the source of every word was my mind only.
Of course there were research papers which influenced my intellect during the years, but I don't think that I have to pinpoint the source of every word in an intro documentation like this. One thing is for sure: I didn't plagarize a single world neither in this forum nor in my whole life! That was my appeal.: Vince ...... Sz.... <sz.....vince.......@gmail.com> 15 May 2020, 11:45 to banappeals_2020_qw7sac Dear Support! I accept the ban, and I don't want to appeal. However I respectfully ask you to justify the decision! Thank you very much! Sorry vincent_sz, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum. You have been permanently banned by a forum moderator, probably due to spam or plagiarism. You may appeal here, but your chances are not good: banappeals...@bitcointalk.org Vincent edit: Quote Edit2 - Reddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/ggrje5/research_for_comment/ That is my reddit profile. Even the names are similar. Could it be the reason of my ban? Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: suchmoon on August 26, 2020, 01:21:24 PM ~ Cool. You might want to remove your e-mail address and possibly your name. Please read the edits I made to my post above. If you can prove that you own the Reddit account you should be ok with your ban appeal. We just need to get moderator's attention to this, which shouldn't be too hard. Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: melchiades on August 26, 2020, 01:24:11 PM Quote You might want to remove your e-mail address and possibly your name. What do you mean by that exactly? edit: If data protection is the main concern, it is ok for me. How is it possible to get the moderators attention? Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: TheBeardedBaby on August 26, 2020, 01:28:04 PM Quote You might want to remove your e-mail address and possibly your name. What do you mean by that exactly? Don't post personal information publicly on the forum. Just edit your post and take away the name and email address. This info is supposed to be send by email to the given email in the ban warning message, not posted here. Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: notocactus on August 26, 2020, 01:28:17 PM I've had a forum profile which was banned in May 2020 In April or May of 2019, there is a huge list of permanently banned users and reasons behind this are mostly plagiarism and a new released plagiarism-detected and -reported bot.This A wave of bans: 400 yesterday, 300 the day before. What changed? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5141807.0) Quote after posting a summary about the current problems of quantum computers, and a theoretical proposal about improving the logic layer of an architecture, which can be used to solve pow more efficiently. I was immediately banned without any notification, despite the following facts.: Is the summary yours? If it is not yours, did you leave source link?Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: suchmoon on August 26, 2020, 01:29:41 PM What do you mean by that exactly? Just a suggestion. You posted a copy of an e-mail above that includes your name and your e-mail address... even if you're not worried about privacy, you might start getting spam and even scam/hack attempts so I suggested that you remove at least the e-mail address from that post. This is unrelated to your ban appeal. That is my reddit profile. Even the names are similar. Could it be the reason of my ban? Yes, it's likely the reason for your ban. Can you edit the post on Reddit and add something like "Posted on Bitcointalk as vincent_sz" at the end? Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: melchiades on August 26, 2020, 01:45:10 PM Quote This info is supposed to be send by email to the given email in the ban warning message, not posted here. It was done 4 months ago without any result. I really appreciate your help so far, @tranthidung! However further participation is not required. Thank you very much again! Quote Can you edit the post on Reddit and add something like "Posted on Bitcointalk as vincent_sz" at the end? done: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/ggrje5/research_for_comment/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/ggrje5/research_for_comment/) edit: Quote Is the summary yours? If it is not yours, did you leave source link? It is mine. Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: suchmoon on August 26, 2020, 01:58:03 PM done: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/ggrje5/research_for_comment/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/ggrje5/research_for_comment/) Ok, I hope @hilariousandco can take a look at this... looks fairly straightforward for an unban. Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: melchiades on August 26, 2020, 02:10:15 PM I hope so. First I felt myself paranoid, because there was a sentence in my summary which was somewhat influenced by one of Peter Shor's paper written in 1994.:
"since the efficiency of our computers cannot exceed the known restrictions imposed by the laws of physics, the framework of the actual implementation is outside the domain of a conventional Turing machine." I think that this statement is general enough not to be banned from a forum. So it was a useful and clever thought to look up reddit sources. However it was so an unlikely solution for me, since I used the same names in both forums. Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: LoyceV on August 26, 2020, 03:36:18 PM Here is the post: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5439/54397864.html I've seen so many Newbies posting plagiarism, that this instantly triggers the same suspicion. But since you've edited your Reddit post to confirm it's yours, I don't think you should be banned.I read it, but I don't understand it at all :( I'm not a native English speaker, but this sounds to me as if you're trying to make it as complicated as possible. Update: it went better reading it a few more times without the kids around, but it's still tough material. Dear Support! I would guess they get many similar requests each day. In your case, you shouldn't accept the ban, but explain why it's wrong.I accept the ban, and I don't want to appeal. However I respectfully ask you to justify the decision! How is it possible to get the moderators attention? I suggest to change the title: "Incorrect ban for plagiarism, I copied my own text".Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: melchiades on August 26, 2020, 04:03:29 PM Quote I read it, but I don't understand it at all Sad I'm not a native English speaker, but this sounds to me as if you're trying to make it as complicated as possible. 1) It is almost impossible to describe my proposal with lesser vocabulary, given the complex nature of the subject. 2) I don't have reasons to further complicate something - or anything else - which is already sophisticated. 3) I hate to be rude, but if you are not native, then what is the point of discussing interpretability? Quote I would guess they get many similar requests each day. In your case, you shouldn't accept the ban, but explain why it's wrong. You're right, however I didn't have any faith in a successful revoking in the first place. I just wanted to understand the motivation. When I was banned I didn't have the slightest clue about the reason. I must also add that my appeal was written in May. Quote I suggest to change the title: "Incorrect ban for plagiarism, I copied my own text".]I suggest to change the title: "Incorrect ban for plagiarism, I copied my own text" Will do. Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: actmyname on August 26, 2020, 08:04:25 PM I read it, but I don't understand it at all :( I'm not a native English speaker, but this sounds to me as if you're trying to make it as complicated as possible. PM me with selected sections if you want me to translate. ;)1) It is almost impossible to describe my proposal with lesser vocabulary, given the complex nature of the subject. For what it's worth, I think most people that are invested in BTC technologically should be able to understand it. 2) I don't have reasons to further complicate something - or anything else - which is already sophisticated. 3) If you are not native, then what is the point of discussing interpretability? Students of higher-level mathematics should be able to handle it sufficiently, I imagine. It's definitely not colloquial language, but you don't have to have academic knowledge to understand it. Some sci-fi readers may even have some fun with the thread :) Interesting themes, for sure. On-topic: open-and-shut case. Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: melchiades on August 27, 2020, 02:30:33 PM Quote Interesting themes, for sure. I'm glad you feel that way. :) Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: FatFork on August 29, 2020, 04:55:02 PM Your old account was also a newbie level?
Since that account is nuked, I assume the old posts won't be restorted. In the future, I suggest that, in situations like this, you still refer to the original article. Regardless of the fact that you are the author of both texts. Self-plagiarism is also a type of plagiarism. It's just not a banworthy offense on this forum. Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: melchiades on August 30, 2020, 09:14:48 AM Quote Since that account is nuked, I assume the old posts won't be restorted. Although I didn't post a lot, it is quite unfortunate. Quote In the future, I suggest that, in situations like this, you still refer to the original article. I surely will. However the original source was the post I've written on bitcointalk.org. The writing on reddit was posted later, hence that was the 'self-plagiarized' version of my summary. Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: Stalker22 on August 30, 2020, 10:34:53 AM I surely will. However the original source was the post I've written on bitcointalk.org. The writing on reddit was posted later, hence that was the 'self-plagiarized' version of my summary. Yes, I see that now. It's really unfortunate and the ban was unjustified in your case. I'm surprised that moderators missed that piece of information. I suggest to change the title: "Incorrect ban for plagiarism, I copied my own text". Have you considered following this LoyceV's advice? Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: melchiades on August 30, 2020, 11:59:36 AM Quote Have you considered following this LoyceV's advice? Yes. I've sent an email to the "banappeals" address four days ago.: "Circumstances have changed, so I would like to appeal against my ban.: This is my banned profile.: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2752908 Given the notification, first I thought that my ban was irreversible. However further discussions about the subject on the forum, made me realize that the reason behind my ban was plagiarization. However it was unfounded, because I 'plagiarized' myself, precisely my reddit profile. As a proof I temporary edited my original reddit post to prove that I am the owner of both profiles.: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/ggrje5/research_for_comment/ I also send you a discussion about the subject, which could help resolving the issue.: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271509.msg55071432#msg55071432 Thank you for your time! Vincent" I'm sure that the admins have a lot of responsibilities. I wait for the reconsideration patiently. :) Title: Re: ban and advice Post by: Stalker22 on August 30, 2020, 06:41:15 PM Quote Have you considered following this LoyceV's advice? Yes. I've sent an email to the "banappeals" address four days ago.: ... I think he was referring to the title of this topic. Title: Re: Incorrect ban for plagiarism - I copied my own text Post by: melchiades on August 31, 2020, 02:02:09 PM Oh... Done.
Title: Re: Incorrect ban for plagiarism - I copied my own text Post by: melchiades on September 05, 2020, 09:17:58 AM Nothing happened, so I decided to close this thread. Thanks for anyone who commented, especially @suchmoon for deducing the cause of my ban.
I hope that I won't be banned as an alt of a previously 'banned' profile. |