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im staarting here my project.


you pay btc  once and you will start getting every week some random altcoins some times more sometimes less.


anyone into this?  if the demand is there ill start up this business :)

Lol sure. Give btc to receive shitcoins.
This idea isn't new, it's called an ICO, and it's been done before to death

But you're getting random weekly shitcoins here. That's different from ICO, like getting robbed on the street versus getting robbed in many different settings every week. This could part fools with their money much more comprehensively so the OP might be onto something here.

That is a great project you have there.
Can you me more about the benefits of sending you my worthless Bitcoin to receive your highly lucrative altcoins?

If you are interested, I know some people who can send you non-listed ERC-20 tokens and you give them Bitcoin back! It's a win-win situation for everyone and an opportunity you shouldn't miss.

no not robbery here men !!

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No you are wrong i dont want to offer some bs im not that kind of guy here.
i dont play with shietcoins and i dont trade them i look up to for only solid altcoins top 10 coins after btc.(and maybe some DEFI)
the idea you pay btc and you recevie weekly rewards of 2 good alt coins     for example:  eth and LTC    tron and stellar-

Never gona receive just one altcoin.
if you think little it can be very beneficial



the giving to btc and recevieng altcoins must be fair and kinda equal so if the project will be going to live i definately will calculate how it would work for the best way thats beneficial.

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People are now aware on so many scam schemes or shall we say attempts here, so you cannot blame people to think negatively about you offer to them. And if you think your plan is solid and legit make it live first so that people will see it as good to join with. Because telling about the plans will not give any positive outlook for people who knowledgeable or maybe lets call it aware on the scam attempts here.

sounds interesting, but it's just a ponzy, right?

Do you think anyone will trust you here? Of course not. Also, such gimmicks will no longer work here. Maybe you will use your BTC to pay for trading, what if you go bankrupt? No one can accept altcoins in return.
Maybe they know they prefer BTC over altcoins. What if you only offer altcoins to BTC in case it slips further. If you only intend to cheat, I hope no one will fall victim to it.

there are so many sarcastic comments here. lol.
you need to make it clear how you pay members some random altcoins weekly.
because I am thinking about Ponzi scheme on this project.
what are the benefits for you and for us?
will this project have a website or just a telegram group with a spreadsheet?  ;D

this is like an automated airdrop ( a service that i saw on an airdrop site ) where your gonna get airdrop coins per month if you pay  . there are different plans with different rewarding structures . the higher you pay , the more coins  (exclusive coins ) youl get  .   what he offer here is simillar but only he are giving top alts ex. eth , ltc , like he said but whats the point ? of it . its like exchanging our btc to alts ? or maybe he will only give small amounts per week and he still earns at the end .

 :D

I learned my lesson with all those ICO's. I wouldn't invest in any ICO anymore. Man, what a waste of many is that.

What kind of altcoins is this? hopefully not a shit coins.


Everyone will be into this as long as it's legal and as long as altcoins can be sold at a good value in a exchange where liquidity is good.
What you are offering could be a scam also because of the words " you pay".. damn, pay first and you'll get later, that's a very common line.

You pay a Monthly 100$ btc.
You receive  in a month 70$ value of alt coins.
And at the of the month you get like 10$ back of your btc.

At the End of the month you hold different altcoins and you hold little bit bitcoins.
Now if you pay for the next month 100$ you pay 10$ less so coupond that  by  12 months you have profit of 120$ btc and a lot of altcoins.

Scam is just short term quick money!!
Im here for long term money making.
Dont use words like victim or so.
Just listen first, if the silicon valley start ups are Looking for investors for their Projects and every project cant be succeasful..... Are everybody screaming scam scam scam...??? 
Everybody try their best to make money here and provide services or ideas as best they could.

LMAO so you pay 100$ for the fist month and then pay 90$ for the next 11 months.
That means you spend $1090 and get 120$ + Shit altcoins (worth 840$).
Spend 1090$ and Get approx about 960$ in return.
I can't tell if you you think this is a good service to offer but i'm gonna be nice and tell you now. STOP IT, GET SOME HELP

Is ethereum litecoin and bch and tron and other top volume coins are shiet coins??? 
Really you need to get some help yourself!!

My question is, Why am i spending 1090$ and getting only 960$ in return? How does this makes sense? All of this over a period of 12 months.

Why? becouse you give a btc as collateral and you get   70% month   4 or more different altcoins. (Quality coins top volume coins)
Plus 10% back at the end of the month.
Plus for loyal and long term members some bonuses.



Its Win:Win

I still don't make a Profit tho.

Doesn't matter how i look at it...

I pay $100, you give me $70 worth of ALT's and $10 back (why??? You could have asked for $90 instead)
So, you make $20

Next month, same deal but i only pay $90...
So, you make $10

That's $130 in 12 months... Defenatly a win for you... But where's the added value (the win) for me? I'll be stuck with $840 worth of altcoins i didn't pick myself with a "trading fee" of $130 (>15%) . I can just use binance, or etherdelta, or bisq, or openbazaar,... And if i use those, i'll get the coins or tokens I want, and it'll cost me less than $130 in fees.

I just fail to see the added value...

I don't see how your "compounding" mechanism would add profit for me (just for you), i don't see why you'd ask $100 and just give $10 back at the end of the month.

Maybe there's a language barrier between us, but i really don't get this service.

Yes you make! 
You get many different alt coins, what if some altcoins will Go Up?  You make a lot profit.
Im planning to give out  like 5 different altcoins.

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So You get back 80$ value at the End of the month. 70$alt+10$btc
If You buy for Second month then you get a 80$ value of altcoins.
Plus if you are longer member you start to earn some bonuses.

But men what if some of the alts price goes Up?
Then your profit will be a lot.


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True, but i still payed $20 for the simple service of buying $80 worth of altcoins (yeah, i know, $70 worth of altoins and $10 worth of btc).
Next month i'll still pay $10 for the simple service of buying $80 worth of altcoins (yeah, i know, $70 worth of altoins and $10 worth of btc).

This is like an untrusted centralised exchange that performs random trades and charges  a >15% fee.

Sure, the price can go up... But exactly the same can be said about altcoins i buy @binance, bisq, etherdelta, openbazaar,...
The big difference:

binance (or any other exchange)

• proven track record
• I can pick wich altcoins i like
• I pay a combined fee of ~1-2% (tx fees, deposit fees, trade fees, withdrawal fees included)

your service

• brand new, not (yet) trusted
• you pick altcoins you like (or altcoins you have a vested intrest in... There is no guarantee you'll pick the coins that are most profitable for me, for all i know you could be picking coins you want to pump so you can dump your own bags on my expense)
• I pay a fee of >15% (tx fees not included)

But longer you are member you get more bonuses.
Its not a quick rich scheme it takes just little longer to start making good profits.



But what if ill do other way around I take altcoins and give you btc

Yes it is it's like we give you real cash in exchange for a post-dated check, or we'll give you bitcoin in exchange for a coin like Adab and we'll wait for the dev to come back and develop the project, great idea you are starting a new scheme here, why don't I think of this so I can unload my shitcoins from my wallets it's been a sore to the eyes for years now.

For me, it doesn't matter if you do it the other way around, if you charge a >15% fee for a simple service i can perform myself, i wouldn't use your service, no matter how you'd try to sell it to me.

Bonuses are great, but you'd have to give a lot of guaranteed bonuses to end up with a fee that's more or less on par with a decent exchange. And even then, i'd rather pick my own coins and buy them from a place i've used before (with a good reputation).

Okay, please give a better suggestion then how to make project better that everyone will like it!?

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Okay,  what if   you pay btc and get 1 year a row altcoins weekly. You pay 100$ and you get weekly 5% altcoins and like this whole one year!

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100$ btc will make you 5% weekly x 4 = 20% so 20% month  12x 20= 240% Roi in one year.
And it will be payed weekly with 5% with 2 different altcoins.

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I'm not trying to pop your dream here... I have had some business ideas myself in the past, but after talking about them with other forum members I realized the ideas were flawed.

In this case, i don't see any angle to "tweak" your concept into something i would like and use. Maybe others will, but me personally, i'd never trust an individual to make such choices on my behalf and charge a big fee for this service.


So, you'd give 52 * 5 = 260% of the initial deposit back... That's $260 worth of altcoins for a $100 deposit... Sure, that'd work IF you used a trusted escrow to hold the $100 untill your members received $260 worth of reputable altcoins (not some 1-sat shitcoins with low trading volume tough).
The thing is: this kinda looks like a ponzi... You'd defenately need an escrow to hold the funds...

LOL! Why would we give you suggestions for improving your 'project' when it's perfectly clear that you're just trying to scam people here??

How about trying to earn some coins in an honest way? Have you thought about that?


Nope!

Im Looking for suggestions from Old members so I know their ideas are good and I can use this to make money and start up some good business project.

You got suggestions from senior members in your other thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5267640).
How about you keep your word and get the fuck out of here?

Is this only to me looks like a Ponzi scheme?
suppose someone really wants to change Bitcoin to any altcoin, OP can you explain where exactly profit comes from? I mean if you have $100, how you can have $120 if you don't do anything (except to send money to you). I've been looking for such an opportunity for my whole life and I haven't found it.
Also, how exactly higher value is created here? make us simple math for 5 people who are invested in your "program", how much exactly will return each and all of them after 12 months. let assume everyone deposit 0.01BTC

Probably yeah, lol  ;D
To some of us is even worse, a Ponzi scheme comes with a promise of gaining x% in a month or week or something, this, let's call it scheme only promises to take a 10-15% chunk of your money for delivering you shitcoins altcoins. I'm trying hard to see what the OP claims to be "mutual gains" but I can't see any trace of it, unless he plans to disclose what those miraculous bonuses are and how are they delivered.


See, that's the problem, this service doesn't work like that. You have 100$ in BTC and then you have 80$ in altcoins.  ;D
To be honest at this point it's even hard to call it an outright scam, the user is telling you right from the strat he will exchange your bitcoins at 80% of it's value in altcoins, taking a commission for this, so, god....I don't know if it's cause but this last heatwave heating some parts of the globe but people have started to come with some pretty silly ideas in the last days in services and projects.


Simple questions:
How do you plan on turning 100$ in more than 240$ , in order for you to also get a profit ?
If you already have a method, why don't you do that with your own money and get a ROI of at least 240% without paying strangers that interest?

Im going to trade and use it some of the funds as leverage.

But okay what is the good idea it can make money for me and my customers.

Was that supposed to be a question?
It depends on your skills and qualifications. You just need to have a good think about what you're good at. Then offer it as a paid service to other people and I believe you will benefit financially from it.
I'm not sure I understand which customers you're talking about, though.

Even I would prefer to do it myself rather than entrust my money to you. Since I know how to trade. There is also no guarantee that you will fulfill the agreement so do not offer a service that can only be done by the one you offer and moreover, it is obvious that you are the only one who will earn from what you do and what you can give to your client is losses.

Can you post some proof of your trading history and the experience you have in trading?
Show us some examples where you made profits of 200-300% per trade. Even 100% profits would be good at this point.

So, in the end, you ask for a loan in a slightly different way and collected money you will use for trade. You promise interest even if you can't be 100% sure in your trading success.
I see this as a kind of deception because you are misleading people that they are investing in something smart. With your loan scammer trust feedbacks, I hope everything stays inside this topic no one will believe your story.
Although what you offer here, in my country we say "balls for kidney deal".

I dont know what Country you live or what is your logic.
But u aint no right Here :)

What did you smoke before coming up with this idea? It's completely stupid to expect someone to agree to participate in this.
Here it is immediately clear that you will not change Bitcoins to altcoins at a loss and all participants will receive unsecured shit instead of BTC.

Why are we even debating this? Stop feeding a known troll!
This is nothing but a cheap scam attempt, so just ignore it. In fact, all his posts look suspicious and scammy (imho).

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Thank you for posting this you made my day.  ;D

EDIT: Sorry this guy is serious? lol

Even if you make it looks good the fact is your trustworthiness isn't enough to cover the operation of your project, I don't know if you are aware but you do have a tag that you are asking a loan without collateral have you got a loan already or you need this scheme implemented because you need the money that you did not get from your loan.