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Yesterday there was a massive protest in Berlin, Germany against the draconian measures taken by the govt against the citizens.
In Lonodn yesterday a similar protest took place in Trafalgar Square.

There were already protests in the Netherlands, Ireland and other countries - all calling for the governments to stop the lockdown, stop issuing fines against those who don't want to wear a mask and most importantly - stop lying to the public with fabricated numbers about "new cases" etc.

This is not a pandemic, by all means.

Is the virus real? Yes, it's real - but panic is not the answer.

Lockdowns are not the answer.
Masks are not the answer.

What would it take for the world to change its stance against the Coronavirus?

It seems like it was so easy to brainwash so many people and make them believe as if we're dealing with apocalypse here -

Well, the apocalypse is how the governments are terrorizing people's lives.

They indeed lie about the case numbers in where I live. Also mayors of 2 of our biggest cities said the actual case&death numbers are greater than the official numbers.

My own experiences everyday confirm this too. Many governments lie about the numbers (not the US, Brazil and India and a few others) What the hell actually happened in China and they stopped reporting any case numbers? Did they really win against covid19? Did they run out of old people? China reported only 9 new cases lol. You are a fool if you believe that.

Just checked Spain and I see they still report thousands of new cases but for some reason, they didn't report any cases yesterday.

Anyway, if you think covid19 is a hoax, why don't you go to the nearest hospital and lick a patient?

If lockdown and mask is not the answer then what is, you mean we have to go out and think that this Covid is nothing I think you are the one brainwashing the people that mask is not the answer when it is, why not go out and do not wear a mask and lets in a matter of weeks if you are not infected, it's ok to wear mask it's a proven way to keep the virus from spreading.

Governments did not want to implement lockdowns, because of the economic damage they cause. This is why most (all?) countries brought in lockdowns too late, they waited and waited in the hope the virus would just go away. Of course if they'd just put in an early quarantine system for new entrants, lockdowns would not have been necessary. Governments do care about the lives of their citizens, but they care far more about the economy. Lockdowns were a last resort, not a desired outcome. They were implemented because the alternative was no lockdown, pandemic running wild, overrun health system, many many more deaths and, the most important government consideration, even more economic damage.
Why do you think a government would implement a lockdown if there was no need to do so? It's not a compelling conspiracy theory if there is no-one who benefits.

Evidence.

In this part you have Mentioned the Protest but how many people are there in protest?how much are against and how many are in favor?the problem
with you people is your are looking Only for your benefits but what about the whole country or the whole community
 you represent?they have lives too and they can die with this Virus,If you are not afraid of dying or being infected Well Majority of the people does
 so please Listen to others and not for your own sentiments.
Since you admit that Birus is real then i am telling you Government is not panicking instead they are doing is preventive measures for this virus
not to spread more and that is the part that your are denying them to Do.
So what you wanted?Living normal while there are Spreads?while the infected is doubling each month?

Sorry mate but People like you and other protesters are not helping in this situation.
You will change your mind once Your own family members got infected and Hoping not to comes worst,Because we are aware of the consequences
 thats why we are following what the government are ordering us and besides can't you see?this is happening the whole
world andd not Only in few countries so please bear with this.

Not when we know that it was government and the medical that made them sick in the first place through previous, poisonous vaccines and medicine and pollution.

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There are protests like that in other countries as well. Corrupt politicians make money manipulating the marke. One month they say we don't need to stay at home or wear masks, then we need to stay at home or we'll be fined, even put in jail, then it's again all fine, no need to stay at home but we have to wear masks, then suddenly we don't have to wear masks anywhere but inside stores and offices... At the same time people who buy those masks in China and import them make millions.

The biggest Coronavirus lie is that there is a Covid virus. The bigger lie is that there are any viruses at all!

Start at 37 minutes, and watch for 10 minutes - https://www.andrewkaufmanmd.com/vids/Hippocratic%20Hypocrisy.m4v. If you don't understand it, get somebody who as a bit of technical, medical training to listen.

Then find something to contradict what Dr. Kaufman says... something that truly contradicts with verifiable chemical, medical, research info. Then let me know about where that "something" can be found, and I will see that Dr. Kaufman is informed.

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The truth about the whole thing is, the numbers are fabricated just to scare people. No doubt the pandemic is very real but the actual count remains unknown. Though, we understand the intentions behind the fabricated numbers but, the masses have got to know the truth.

I think we're all with the same sentiment about the number of cases. While the epicenter of the virus has been calmed down. Why is it that there's no sharing of how they've extinguished the virus and there's even a pool party just to proclaim they were able to overcome the pandemic.

And the rest of the world is still struggling with growing cases every day. I have no problem wearing masks going outside because I have my mask ready when I travel before the pandemic occurred.

In fact, it is possible that the data graph of pandemic exposure is not very correct, but this can make the public more respectful and concerned about the fact that this pandemic cannot be taken lightly. because the transmission that occurs is quite scary because it is too easy, what is feared is that someone is sick but he does not feel it and ends up transmitting to other people.

the problem may be that for young people with good immunity they don't have much of an impact at all, but what we are afraid of is that when someone already has congenital disease and is old enough, it will certainly have a fatal impact if infection occurs to him.

Some of you guys are starting to sound like that Jet Cash character, and he is under attack for noy accepting the Anglophone empire narrative, and trying to fins out the real facts for himself.
It isn't the number of infections that matter, despite the government fear mongering. I believe that all of the developed nations, and most of the others, will eventually end up with all of the population being infected. The good news is that the virus in itself is not life threatening ,and as evidence if this, you don't see people dying like flies in the street. This means that the numbers of infected are heavily manipulated, and almost certainly under reported. They still haven't got an accurate testing system for those who have been infected by the virus, and have gained long term immunity.
The most frightening thing about the virus is the emerging government actions that purport to be in our interests, but seem to be aimed at wealth transfer,and the expansion of the Anglophone Empire's eugenics programme.

getting low dose contact by social distancing and wearing masks means you will get infected at some point but with such a low dose you wont have to battle it much

idiots like jetcash(who is also kuffy under his other username) is not trying to find out facts. instead he is trying to get people to actually lick other peoples faces and get high dose infections

jetcash doesnt care about health. nor does he care about economy. he avoid independant small business retailers and prefers to hand money to the big national chains.

his problem is that while people are social distancing/working from home. he cant run his scrap metal business because there is less strap being requested to be removed.

he wants people to start interacting normally so that he can make money. and thats it.

the virus is real and although with social distancing and masks the rate at which those infected end up going to hospital has dropped due to the low dose infection rate

(in march it was 33% hospital risk for some. now its ~10% risk of hospitalisation) so it proves that social distancing and masks do work

we seen that in may-june a rise in cases happened due to idiots gathering together and protesting, increasing the risk
this was mainly due to daily protests meaning a sick person gathering near 20 people in a cluster thus making 7people sick enough. and doing this for 5 days meaning 1 person making 35 people sick and combined 100 asymptomatically infected

which caused spikes
in june-july there were spikes in different places that mainly had airports. where sick people were on planes passing it onto other passengers

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i say all this because i f there is too much high dose infection due to close proximity. more people end up in hospital. and if more people end up in hospital there becomes a critical point where hospitals cant cope and a full lockdown is needed.

so if you want to live without constant lockdowns. if you want to reduce the hospitalisations. if you want to not have to think about a vaccine.. then be smart and think of ways to protect yourself and others from high dose infection.. keep your distance and stay safe

whatever you say may be a separate perception and you can assume that this virus is not as dangerous as expected and I don't understand why there are still many who believe that this is a conspiracy that happened.

in my country there have been many medical workers who are directly related to the pandemic who have experienced fatal things and it is helpless how should I tell that this is a lie.

These medical personnel are not arbitrary, he is a young husband and wife doctor, with lung specialists who have devoted themselves to being able to handle the pandemic voluntarily at a special covid-19 referral hospital, and he ended up contracting and not being helped and his wife is still being treated.
and of course many other similar medical personnel, how could this be a lie, I can't say anymore if this is said to be a lie just because I want to find sensations.

wuhan locked down its domestic flights in febuary
(US/UK didnt take the hint and instead done repatriation flights to bring it to america/UK)
wuhan implemented social distancing and created hospitals in february
(US/UK didnt. they waited to march/april)

wuhan implements track and trace to find out all the people the sick came into contact with and put those on self isolation for 14 days

US/UK didnt. UK is kind if doing it but with only  60% success rate. and only from june onwards

if they implemented all of this in february US/UK would have been able to do just social distancing+track and trace without the need of the lockdown for 4+months

wuhan managed to not have any cases fr a few months due to the hard work involved so they celebrated it.
plus the pool party was for one day so it was not a continuous infection risk every day that would go out of control.

UK/US do daily gatherings thus someone sick on day 1. is passing it on day 2 3 4 5
the people on day one that got infected. gets sick on day 3 and passes it on day 3 4 5
the person on day two that got infected. gets sick on day 4 and passes it on day 4 5
and so on

so that 1 person on day one making ~25 infected and 7 sick
so that 1 person on day two making ~25 infected and 7 sick
so the 8 people on day three making ~200 infected and 56 sick
so the 16 people on day four making ~400 infected and 112 sick
so the 74 people on day five making ~1850 infected and 647 sick

yep they estimate that at a protest. has a protester within proximity to ~20 people with a 33% high dose risk
(7 people really close for long periods of time a day)
so yea if those same people keep going to daily protests every day for a week. the numbers rise quite fast

however if they had true 'peaceful protests' respecting persona space. the rate would not be 1 infecter making 7 sick. butonly 2 sick
and if those only went to one protest that week instead of 5 the numbers would be only a dozen. not over 600

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so if you want to actually protest. do not squeeze 10k into a street. spread out. stay safe keep respect for eachothers personal space. and guess what. you can cover 20km of road with just 10k people
this is much better
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just look at the amount of streets you can block up id organised

Lol. :D Ask yourself this. Since viruses aren't really alive, why are there more than one virus at all? Don't they multiply in the cells of your body? And isn't it a fact that they are commandeering your body to multiply?... if you believe all that virus theory junk, that is?

Do you want to get rid of viruses in yourself? Do a suicide number. That's the only way. You make your own viruses. They multiply, multiply, multiply... if you believe all that virus theory crap, that is.

However, if your immune system can keep the number of them down, why do we need medicine or vaccines? After all, when you use medicine or vaccines, your body is weakened because it has to fight them as well as the virus.

You talk against what you say, franky1.

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oh badecker how silly are you yet again
viruses are invaders. they are not natural to your body which is why you need an immune system to fight them off.
i know your probably reading some weird conspiracy made by a cancer exdoctor who is trying to get an income from doing conspiracy tours. but viruses are not cancers

when you are over loaded with viruses its a heck of a fight your immune system has to put up.
when its a virus not seen before due to it being a new strain. this is even more of a battle to fight because you need to train your immune system for this new strain

if the immune system recognised it as a virus thats been around seasonally then yes your immune system could 'keep it down' by reacting as soon as it seen it.
but with new strains guess what. your body only reacts when the virus is doing damage. to realise the virus is a dangerous invader

if your immune response just reacted to anything you inhaled you would be worse. because every breath of air is not pure oxygen, its got lots of lil stuff in it. so reacting to anything thats not oxygen would be harmful
your immune system only reacts when your body is being harmed and when it knows how to deal with it

so again the safest bet is to not allow high dose viral load to enter your body in the first place

Except that nobody has proven anything that you say. It's all a story that has been built up over decades. It is based on assumptions as to what is going on with some invisible particles that have only been seen acting since the advent of the Microsphere Nanoscope in 2011.

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so you admit it has been seen in 2011

you flip at the start of your paragragh saying no one seen it
you flop at the end of your paragraph saying its been seen in 2011

i know your just copying and pasting a lame script from someone thats not even a virologist. and then copying another script from another source

but when your 2 scripts contradict each other.. actually research and then pick one
stop flip flopping

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by the way viruses have been seen way before 2011 using lots of different technologies and your obsession to keep mentioning just one brand of microscrope just shows how little you actually research and how much you just repeat crappy scripts.
sort yourself out. you have had 6-9 months to try learning a little

What I am saying doesn't contradict. Rather, if you don't understand the language - which you obviously don't - one must attempt to talk in a language you understand, if they want you to understand (which really doesn't matter, of course).

Since viruses and exosomes are the same thing, it doesn't matter which word is used.

Since one doesn't repeat every word of what he said, he often allows lots of wording to be "contracted" with the understanding that it is there.

In your case, you seem to have a difficult time speaking/writing good English. So it is totally understandable that you will be having a difficult time even comprehending English. But it is easy to understand why you have this problem.

They say that various parts of the brain talk between themselves in 3-letter shortcut words. You must be so intelligent that you actually read and understand these 3-letter shortcut words jumping between the parts of your own brain. It's too bad that you can't get out of 3-letter words when you talk to other people. But it is to you credit that you keep on trying, anyway.

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for the 20th time over multiple topics
viruses are not exosomes. they are different in many ways
stop confusing a spikey dog yo to a gold ball
just because an idiot with no viral speciality made a slideshow with words on it doeesnt make what he says true.. because HE made the side show

exosomes are under 100nm
exosomes are more smother rounder balls

corona is a 'spikey' ball thats over 100nm
an exosome transfers not just rna but butriants and waste. an exosome does not replicate itself. an exosome tells a cell wha the cell should become based on another cell

a virus makes a cell produce another virus within the cell..it doesnt tell the cell to become a virus
a virus destructive nature is to send a message to make multiple copies of itself.

and exosome in human terms is just a bag. it holds something whether its info about a neighbour or waste
an exosome is destroyed in its process.. and its a separate function where the cell would say if it needs to prodce an exosome because another cell needs it

an exosome is something a cell initiates..
a virus triggers a cell

they are not the same thing.

wake up to the reality beyond the slideshow of that kaufman guy that has been debunked multiple times
he is not a virologist nor done any accurate research

its as if he just googled 'what things are under 200nm and just decided to make a script about not seeing things and then making random assumptions

yet if he actually googled better he would find things can be seen before 2011 and that an exosome is not a virus

i know your itching to now jump onto the not pass the koch/river/bell saying it never passed those tests.
well i showed you already the wrong stuff about the other foolish stuff you say so ill just pre-empt your next script by showing another study
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32253226/

i know you will say you cant understand it and thus dismiss it. but thats how idiots think things dont happen by not even attempting to understand studies

now remember this point
kaufman got debunked my many many many many people by may. so you are very very very much out of date.
its september 2020
not february 2020
not 2010
not 1800

stay uptodate

For as many times or more, how do you know? Have you checked out all the billions of each and compared them all? But, even if they are totally different animals, do you even know that they don't convert back and forth into each other... for a franky1 fact?

Some of them look so similar that they could easily be the same. This includes SARS-CoV-2 virus and the exosome that looks exactly like it. So, which is it? Virus or exosome?

Wake up and find out that all the 1900s stuff that you believe in is being overturned by far better knowledge in the 2000s.

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Vitamin C
Vitamin D
Zinc
Magnesium

These 4 for a start.

Healthy activities such as sports, things that keep you in good mood (lockdown does the opposite).

In 4 words the answer is = Boosting Your Immune System.

We don't need a vaccine for that and there's no need to waste millions of tax payers payable to Johnson & Johnson:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/22/health/us-coronavirus-vaccine-funding/index.html

This article is from June, saying J&J received over $460m of taxpayers' money to find a "vaccine" - well, if you check it now - the amount they received is over $1000m now!

What a waste!!!

We let these companies dictate our lives, why would they want this "pandemic" to stop if they can get millions in no time to find a "vaccine" they would have no guarantee for neither!!

the knowledge of viruses in 2020 is the same because viruses do exist and are not exosomes
again you keep referring to 1900..
its 2020 and viruses are still real and still making people sick enough to die from it
exosome or viruses do not look alike

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ok i know you are sexually deprived since your male massuese cant come to your house. so heres a plan for you to understand. shuv a golf ball up your rear end. and then pop it out. then shuv a spikey dog squeeky toy up there.. and notice the difference
maybe you like the difference or you get hurt by the difference. either way you will finally understand the difference of atleast the proportions of scale and form
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you are stuck in kaufmans script and thats the only reason you think they look alike
kaufman is not a virologist and has not himself looked at covid virus under the microscrope himself.
he is making up stuff based on weak research. report titles he mentioned/presented. had the author of those reports actually say that the context/content is not what kaufman thinks/says it is

yep the report he quote. the author came out and said that kaufmans summary is nothing to do with the report even when kaufman quotes the title he is not actually referencing the actual content

this has been told to you before in many topics. its been debunked in as early as May my many people
so again. you are outdated by 4 months

kaufman is not a specialist viral researcher.. he is a failed google searcher.

catch up

a good balanced diet is cheaper

by the way. asking 320million people in america to buy 4 bottled of supplements a month from 'pharma' (yep supplement companies are the same guys) will total more then $1000m

kind of funny how you baited and switched to still want to give money to the people you pretend to hate

as for taxes. you do know that your 2020 tax return would be the same whether or not money was spend on wars or vaccines.
atleast this time the money is going towards helping people live. instead of bombing them to death

It isn't just the money, they can add adjuvants to weaken people and render them infertile. This shortens their lives, and contributes to a reduction in the world population. Well certainly the gullible deplorables described in Hilary Clintons basket.

make them infertile?
vaccines have been around for many generations. and people are still having kids
what you mean is pharma give the 6month 'contraceptive injection' which is not forced on women. but they have it when they dont want to worry about periods and pregnancy for 6 months.

dont confuse the contraceptive injection with vaccines.
they are totally different things

i can understand the negatives of contraceptives. but here is the thing they are not the same.

if you cant distinguish the difference between the contraceptive injection and a vaccine. then no wonder you worry about your nutrition. because you wont understand the difference between a processed meatball vs a fresh tomato

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fun fact for you
idiots used to claim that the HPV jab caused fertiliy issues.
millions of mothers who had the HPV as a teen will debunk that
infact by reducing the rate of cancers of the womb. more women dont have to have their wombs removed and yep you guessed it more women are able to have kids due to the HPV

and by the way. your in your 70's. your sexual deficiencies are age related. maybe its time to realise your age and realise its a bit late to worry about your fertility.. especially when your worries/blames are invalid and lacking fact

In my opinion coronavirus exists but it is not so dramatical as media shows it.
We need to be exposed to the virus in order to be immuned to it and avoid lockdowns and face masks.

the issue is high dose exposure causes the most sick people
im feb/march it was very high. and causing alot of hospitalisations because no one was social distancing
now its under 10% because people are low dosing by social distancing

the idiots that want to do gatherings and purposefully cough on each other upclose will themselves if it gets too much be the cause of lockdowns
they fear lockdowns. but suggest getting people high dose sick, thus a self fulfilling prophecy

be smart. reduce the risk. socially distance

If wearing a facemask and implementing lockdown are not the answers then what would it be? The virus can spread so quickly to everyone especially if we don't be careful on our lives, we can easily get the virus if we don't wear a face mask, the virus will still spread to everyone continuously if there is no lockdown in specific areas. Those things are really important, do not say that it is not because it helps us to prevent the virus from spreading.

Maybe the number of cases is all lies, I think they are doing it just to give a threat to the people that the virus can easily be transferred to anyone ao we really need to be careful. This virus brought the economy suffered so I think our government is planning the best thing to do to recover and as of now as a normal people as a citizen of our country, all we need to do is to stop the spreading of the virus by wearing a facemask and maintain proper hygiene.

I've answered this question above already:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5272381.msg55113150#msg55113150

In my country it has been determined that masks, washing hands when finished touching any object and maintaining distance and avoiding prolonged activity in one place is what can be done to minimize transmission, although it is not guaranteed, but there is a will to try to make health protocols.

you help explain about some of the vitamins needed and regular exercise.
this is for the treatment of those who are healthy how about those who have the disease can it be applied too? because they have been treated to a lot of drugs that must be taken every day.

vaccines and drugs are the best alternatives and I don't see any alternatives.
Your information about vaccines that benefit certain companies I can't respond. But the fact is that in my country the vaccine from China has been tested in phase 3, and 2x injections were carried out to volunteers and the first results have been maximized that with the vaccine the immune power being injected has increased by 90%, indicating that it is enough against Covid-19, hopefully the second injection will do better.

The vaccine is taken over by the state and state laboratories which will produce it on a large scale, so that there is no chance for brokers to play with the price of the vaccine once it is produced.

The point is living and not dying. All that stuff will do is to increase dying. After all, people have been living without it for thousands of years. You won't live forever. Get a life... while you have time.

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There is a simple fact about the current Anglophone manipulation of the infection.

Vaccines are a synthetic replacement for the natural protection that nature has developed over thousands of years. They are dangerous and less effective, but they offer a great potential for profit, which is not available with God's work.

^^^ The kind of vaccines produced do more harm than good, because most of the substance inside them is poison.

Vaccine makers realize that we are all going to die, anyway. They think that if they can get enough money off the rest of us, that they can possibly find ways to extend their lives. They think like, since everybody dies, why not simply let the masses die sooner, but get their money first?

Most of the people who have had big training in the universities, don't understand that death is simply God's harvest... and that those who have died are really still alive in a realm where God has complete, formal control.

Better to be on God's side - in favor of Him and His ideals - so that in the remake of the world that He will bring to pass, we will find a place there with Him.

God's power is way more immense than we can begin to imagine. Consider the laws of physics. Nobody knows how to even bend them. The few laws we have control over - spiritual laws like the emotions - do nothing to the machinery of the universe as far as breaking the laws of physics.


Regarding Covid, herd immunity was achieved back in April when the deaths started going down. All that vaccines will do is set the stage for the next pandemic.

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Changed a few things and I think I fixed what you wrote. Lemme know!

Don't know why you have this massive hard on about hating vaccines. There's literally nothing wrong with vaccines.

And yes, there is a profit motive for people who take the time to research all of these vaccines -- that's a GOOD THING, they make sure that we have the best research available. No one is going to want to develop these things without a profit incentive.

^^^ You really like all this stuff going into your blood, eh? A whole lot of it is listed as poison by the medical. Or have you had too many vaccines, so that you are too sick to see the dangers? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cdc+lists+of+ingredients+in+vaccines&t=ffab&ia=web

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The spread of the virus around the world has led to a high rate of transmission but this is as true as it is false but the effects of the epidemic have diminished. It would not have been possible to cure it until the vaccine was available but other vaccines besides the vaccine have been able to overcome the epidemic and many are not using masks. Everyone's eyesight has changed and there is no legal action.

The faudalant tests are scam. Everything is based on wrong test results.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

I agree with you, why would anyone research a vaccine for free? These are doctors who spend a long time studying in university. Also researching a vaccine doesn't guarantee you success. It's possible you spend months - in which you have to pay rent, salaries, equipment, etc. - just to be successful in the end. And just by looking at the flu vaccine each yeahr for elderly people and how many lives they are saving I don't get it how people be against vaccines. To be honest most people just want to be trolling, they don't even believe in what they are saying, all about being against mainstream.

Everyone seems understand now how the medical records of those people who got positive was all lies because it happens all around the world. where in every corner of our respective cities has lied to us the total number of infected person. If someone can highligten us what's really going on with the fake positive numbers of patience, this whole drama will end. But obviously, those who knows the truth has kept everything as secret and looks likes everyone whos involve in this scam has got their lips sealed.

And if you search on google "Coronavirus Scam" there are no result or they've shown different result. because they plan this event from the start.

It is obvious what is going on. They need to lose the mass of toxic debt, and reset the world economy. The virus pandemic has been interesting as it has taught as load of sheep to behave like headless chickens. They need the pandemic to push their vaccine based eugenics programme, and to destroy small farms and businesses. Once they allow that to wind down, they will need at least one war, and then we can move into a new world order.

EXACTLY!

Snake oil salesmen have been banned by government. Who in government banned the snake-oil salesmen? Other snake-oil salesmen who were smart enough to usurp government to sell THEIR snake oil.

Money for the medical comes from taxes (sort of) that people have been tricked into paying. The whole medical is shrewd snake-oil salesmen, doing what they do best, selling their snake-oil, in the best way they can.

And you fell for it!

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Exactly.

There is no problem with paying a decent amount to find a "vaccine" but when US taxpayers have to fund over $1000m (1000 x $1,000,000) of "research funds" into the Johnson & Johnson company and no one is scrutinizing this thing, and J&J are not obligated to find a vaccine, they are not obligated to ensure even such a "vaccine" is safe to use, and they are not obligated to return the funds they got paid - well in that case why wouldn't you expect people to go against that "mainstream"?

And by the way, who exactly decided that what they do is the "mainstream"? You decided that's the "right" way to think?