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Deregulation is inconsequential at this point and real estate values have correlation with foreign exchange rates.  Supply in RE alludes to the property you want to purchase or sell. As a result, currency is in demand because of EMH in due to supply/demand. RE is simply one of the assets tied to availability of real loanable funds.  Availability of real loanable funds.  Fx rate.  Cost of goods.  The reason real estate prices are declining is because there is a decline in availability of real loanable funds. A decline in loanable funds is a result of foreign exchange rate decrease.  The market is responding to an inevitable future FX decline. 

I don't know if real estate is declining here yet but I do think it'll come at some point and it's probably overdue in some places.

I was looking at house prices in certain parts of the UK and they've at least tripled in a lot of places in the past 20 years... Which seems quite a dramatic rise.

Don't know what make you think that real estate is declining but I will give you an article which can help you understand the situation on real estate here read this https://www.investopedia.com/articles/mortages-real-estate/11/the-truth-about-the-real-estate-market.asp

And for me real estate still a safe investment where we can safely spend our money on, just make sure you go with license broker before buying a house or property.

As far as real estate goes you have to do market research in your own area. The market will not look alike in the UK, Australia or Japan. Some countries aren't safe places to invest like if you live in Belarus I'd be careful with buying anything.

What foreign exchange rates are you talking about? Probably the Dollar that suffered a big loss in March with the start of the pandemic. It's always like that when some big changes are expected in a country. It will go back up after the election. That is if we don't get a stock market crash in the meantime.

Just like on similar topics on comparing Bitcoin/Crypto to Gold and this one on real estate and if we do really make our research and do make out comparison then we can really see or tell the difference.

Security? Long term aspect? These traditional ones will be much preferable but somehow you cant really expect when it comes to the level of profitability which is way more less compared to possible

crypto games but we know that it would really correlate or equaled on the risk involved.So its a matter of choice if someone do like to play safe or would like to gamble out.

All money goes to crypto as fiat crash and then less money left for mortgages and real estate crash and crypto goes 10x

Real estate could be deflationary in nature similar to bitcoin. Real estate development and construction have not maintained pace with population growth, making real estate scarce(r) in supply. The main bottleneck preventing real estate from appreciating in value is wealth and wage inequality limiting the number of people who can afford to buy it. That malus to consumer purchasing power and demand could devalue real estate below its actual market value.

Bitcoin purchase of real estate could be a standard worth pursuing. If both remain deflationary and stable in nature. Essentially buyers and sellers would be swapping one deflationary asset for another. Which could be preferable to swapping a deflationary asset in real estate for an inflationary fiat currency.

I was just reading this article :
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/10/manhattan-rental-market-plunges-leaving-15000-empty-apartments.html
Probably some types of properties in large cities in central areas are in for a price correction, at least temporarily but what I see around me is a huge demand for houses in the metropolitan areas of the city, just beyond the city ring ways.


If you think that's bad, how about 5-10 times, apartments going up from the equivalent of 500 euros per sqm2 to an average of 4000.


The market isn't looking alike even in the same country and even in the same state/district.
You can sell right now pretty fast a house in the suburbs at what looks to me as an outrageous price but good luck trying to get rid of a house or land 100-200 km away in a village that is nearly dying even at 1/25 of the price asked in the other place. We have hundreds of these houses that are still up and will be good for living even for another 50 years, not run-down houses like in ghost movies, that you can buy with an annual wage but... forget 50 years, you might be the only one living in the entire village in 5-10 years.

Yeah I think a lot of Europe is a leveraged version of the west, when they're doing well  house prices skyrocket..

I think there are also places in Spain that could still be quite cheap. (probably due to the lack of tourism there and the fact a lot of people think they're without clean running water).

I did just check the area I live in in a major city also and there seem to be about 70 property listings (in the UK unoccupied properties have a 200% council tax burden because some areas were just holding houses and producing monopolies that drove up prices so far and left semi affordable housing very scarce).
I was flicking through them and some don't even have prices yet (but this could just be because they've been rushed to the market).. It might be a nice time to buy soon (6-12 months) in that case unless cities are back to full capacity in a few months.

I don't understand those people that are trying to offer and sell me their real estate properties. I understand that we are in a crisis and the situation isn't doing better for everyone else. But their prices are erraneous and didn't declined. They are in desperate situation and won't pull lower the price for their real estate for sale. It's not the good time for me to buy in the specific area that I want, better to pitch in more for bitcoin just like the usual times.

Residential property prices from the primary market will never fall. Because a lot of construction materials are still imported and domestic supply is limited, property prices will not decline. In addition, the weakening of the currency against the dollar also had an effect. For second hand properties, the price may be below the market depending on the owner, but not with new projects. Even if the price does not go down, the developer will not increase the price at this time of year, a more feasible strategy is the ease of payment and installments.

The decline in buyers, occurred from the end user buyer segment for housing needs, due to the tendency to refrain from securing their daily needs in the midst of an economic condition shaken by the pandemic. Some buyers from the investor segment still have purchasing power, but still depend on the psychology of the investors themselves.

I am not aware of the circumstances from where you're speaking but as far as my local situation is concerned, real estate is still one of the most trusted and certainly profitable investments. The increase in the prices of real estate properties is consistently rising, that is, despite the foreign exchange fluctuations. So I don't think there is a significant correlation at all between the two.

Also, I don't want to put a versus in between real estate and Bitcoin. Bitcoin's rise and fall in fiat value makes it a very risky investment, although it could also double in just a matter of weeks. Real estate, on the other hand, is a very safe investment which almost guarantees you consistent and smooth value appreciation over time.

I'd rather have both.

I don't know what's happening there, a few of my friends have been talking about properties in Spain also, but I never figured why some are that cheap, even though on gmaps it seems they are in neighborhoods where people do live and don't seem like no go zones at all so ...They are far cheaper than Prague or Warsaw and this although they are let's say close to bigger cities, so you could theoretically work is a company with an above average Spanish wage.

But as I said, there must be a trick somewhere otherwise I don't think just offer and demand would have dropped the prices that low.


Local! It depends a lot where you're situated and what that area has to offer, I've seen small towns outpacing the capital in terms of price increases, and I'm also aware of some cities that although uninteresting in the job market have such high rents simply because nobody is renting, most of the people living there are owners, old, they don't want to move, there are no real prospects so no new buildings are constructed, good luck finding a place to rent.

But I do think city centers will take a hit, they might recover but those outrageous prices have got to go!

Don't overcomplicate things (about real estate correlation with the exchange rate). A simple supply-demand analysis would be sufficient.
People buy real estate as an investment when the economy is going well (booming), and they expect to sell it for a higher price. Conversely, when the economy is going bust, they will sell it to get liquidity (cash is king stuff).

The lower-middle-class also buys real estate with a loan when the job is paying well. When they go unemployed, they default, and banks sell the house.

It is better to increase the amount of bitcoin investment than real estate it's demand is much higher as real estate usually controls the exchange rate. Real estate development and management activities conducted entirely under government management by any government ministry or department or any of its subordinate or affiliated departments or agencies or authorities or any statutory authority or autonomous body jointly conducting real estate development and management activities with any developer. Real estate development activities are conducted in joint ventures.

I was wondering if people are calling for deregulation to solve the problem?

Been hearing about deregulation for a long time now... I guess i supported that word back then but after re-reading the meaning today, I've decided to be a bit more cautious.
Competition should be allowed but it must be healthy and moral. There must be strong and good standards/rules guiding the competitors. Anyone that goes against the good standard and does what is wrong or immoral should be punished.
The government could only lessen the rules by removing the unnecessary, inefficient, bad rules, but stick strongly to morality and good/basic building code/standards/principles for the housing or real-estate sector

As long as the governments are printing toilet paper money, the loanable funds will be available to the people to buy Real estate. This will just reduce the value of the Fiat currencies even further and increase the global debt.

People should rather buy bitcoins and try to hoard it to create a situation where you cultivate a saving culture and not a economy that are built on debt.

Governments are digging their own graves and nobody is taking notice.  >:(

Perhaps I make mistakes, but I also choose cryptocurrency as a long-term investment, and also buy residential and office premises for a task on rent, which can give me a constant and stable profit. I believe that this approach for me is insurance not only for today, tomorrow and the near future, but also for the future.

hmm I still would choose bitcoin as an investment.. Real Estate nowadays are hard to invest because thst depends in the country, taxations snd location

You've got it backwards. The actual market value is based on real supply and demand. Houses are only worth what people are able and willing to pay. Similar to Chinese ghost cities, just because you build them doesn't make them valuable or in demand. If a house cost you more to build than what it can sell for on the market, you've just made a poor investment. That's all.

I see that the only similar thing that we can found on both real estate and bitcoin is securing the value or store of value where as you are keeping a tangible asset and on bitcoin you are keeping it on the run of volatile prices. But If I would choose between these two, I'd confidently say real estate coz it is ageless and as we know we don't really know how long will bitcoin be in the market for years, just believe right?

We can have these both if we want to, it is a great investment for both actually.

Real Estate is still a good investment despite Covid. It can be a source of income too if we will use it as apartment, the price never goes down but increases in time, those who will sell their property must be in need but for sure will still be in profit as the value of real estate didn't decline even the stock market is affected. The only that affects now is the construction of those soon to rise building since some might stop operating of postponed the construction.
It will be better if we were not just put in our investment Al in bitcoin better expand and venture in other investment too.

You are wrong, I'd never seen how it becomes correlated. Try to check it because instead of thinking that it declining, you'll find out that the prices are rising. Because if we are talking about real estate investment, definitely we can have the assurance that in the years coming it rises unlike what bitcoin can do. Just it happens that many had jumped into Bitcoin investment it is because they are thinking more gains and easy money, and it is not possible.

There could be correlation and causation between unaffordable assets and deflationary paradigms.

I'll give you an example. Healthcare could be considered deflationary in ways which leads to it being unaffordable. The doctor to patient ratio in the USA is something like 1 doctor for every 1,000+ patients. Wheras other nations are luckier to have doctor to patient ratios nearer to 1:300. In past years america's doctor to patient ratio was lower. In a sense we have a situation where there are fewer doctors in terms of overall patients similar to bitcoin rewards halving.

Real estate is identically inflationary in ways. Imagine what would happen if the human population doubled while the amount of homes, apartments and living space remained the same. Real estate would become a scarce and somewhat deflationary asset similar to doctors in the US becoming scarcer in a somewhat deflationary format.

I hope that clarifies things. Not certain where you disagreed with me, here. It seems as if we're both saying the same thing.

One thing is for sure, Bitcoin is not forever. On this note, we could probably say that a piece of land, for example, is much more precious that Bitcoin especially in the longer term. There might come a time when Bitcoin is already widely adopted that its value will somehow stabilize, or probably a time when something much better will take over.

As to real estate properties, we are certainly running out of it, with the human population increasing close to 100 million individuals annually, with the demand of the seemingly insatiable human consumption regularly increasing exponentially, and so on.

a pretty good and logical analysis, but it depends on the country as well. In developing countries, land is a very rare asset, especially in central places. even though the value of money is drastically reduced, or inflation, land stays the same or even goes up. The price of land depends not only on the real funds that can be lent, it also depends on the mentality of the owners of the plots. What you say is only relevant for countries with lots of banks that own a lot of land.

Real estate promises big money but the constant taxation in ownership is very bad for someone's finances, with bitcoin, just buy it and you just have to hold it and wait for a favorable price to sell and profit, in real estate, you either have to maintain the property or not build something and let it there to get its prices soar which only happens for a long time, not to mention the status of real estate in your country, the bubble might have popped and you will be selling without breaking even. My suggestion for real estate is that when you have one, live in it.

Real state and bitcoin are both valuable and you can invest both of them if you have capital. I think the only difference between this two being an asset, real state is tangible and ageless while bitcoin is digital which you do not know when it will end or lost it's value because we really don't know the future of bitcoin even though we can see now that it works good. But if i will choose only one,i prefer for real state more secure than bitcoin.

I know what you mean. Lately I've been browsing properties in Italy and there's a lot of really cheap land available there. You can buy a house in Toscane with a great view for 100k EUR, which is proabably the price of a small flat in one of EU capitals. I don't know if the reason for these low prices is covid or people moving to big cities, maybe both, but I'd love to live in the suburbs whete the air is clean and there's no traffic.

You're not wrong. I have come across similar stats where the house prices across the whole of UK have gone up at least 3x since the beginning of the pandemic! This is crazy considering the recession we're in. Still, by the end of the year if the house prices haven't started to come down it will surely follow in Q1 of next year.

The housing market can't be going up while everything else is suffering. My reason for thinking this is that mortgage providers have already started becoming more strict about mortgage approval. I suppose for now just like with the crypto and stock market, real estate is all about waiting for a while.

Woah woah 3x since the pandemic? that's 200% up in several months! that's crazy thinking that the world is on fire right now, they should have not gone that high. The worst thing to happen with middle class people right now is that they cannot afford housing anymore with these prices going that high, we all need money that's a fact but it is disgusting doing that. Business is business huh?

They can be strict, I can agree on that but 200%? I cannot believe it. They are giving no choice to people.

Real estate are more stable compare to bitcoin and in my place because of a huge supply in the market and lesser demand, real estate are more cheaper compare to other investment asset. Bitcoin is different because its a currency and much volatile, I don’t want to compare this two great asset because they both have pros and cons.

Real estate represents ownership in something tangible and real. Long term, the price tends to outpace inflation, so it’s a good investment for this reason alone, but it also produces income on top of that. Bitcoin does not, and on top of that, is extremely volatile. I’ll take real estate over bitcoin as an asset class any day.

   I don't know for others, but in my town the prices of real estates are rising in the past few months! Some people I talked with
say there's a huge demand for houses around the town, near lakes, mountains. They explain that because of Covid-19 people
couldn't live homes, go abroad, they focused on buying some land out of town where they can run away in any moment.
   It's good to take real estate, but it has expenses, it's not like you can just take it and leave it there, you need to pay taxes for that,
there're other monthly and yearly expenses. With Bitcoins, you don't have troubles, you just put it in the wallet and keep them,
with real estates you have a lot of work and expenses.

In my opinion, if you really want investment for the long term and are safe, you should choose investment in Real Estate over Bitcoin.
But investing in real estate must certainly have a large enough capital, because the price of land and houses is now very expensive.
There are ways we can buy a house or land at a low price, we have to borrow money from the bank. And usually the payment duration
is very long and causes the interest to be paid is also quite large. I prefer investing in Bitcoin, can use a small capital. And if we are patient
in holding Bitcoin, we can make big profits. Although the risk of investing in Bitcoin is huge, it is worth it with big profit too we can get.

Real Estate has and is and will always be a better investment than anything else not because you can buy cheap and sell higher in few decades and make yourself a lot of money, not because you can buy and fix and sell back, nothing like that, it is better because it is tangible and you can show it off. If you buy bitcoin it is really hard to show it, you have to show your screen but it is not something you can hold in hand, same goes for forex or stocks or whatever because they are imaginary things people put value on.

However if you buy stuff like gold (physically) or real estate or even a car (which devalues over time so not a good idea) you can actually show it, that is why they are so much more expensive and that is why they are a lot smarter to buy if you can afford it.

I doubt what OP really means i'll put here what I think of it
-Real Estate's value will rise and can be rented.
-Bitcoin's a crypto can be transferred much easily and going offroad from legal boundaries but Real Estate cannot.

House and Lot are always been the best investments we can have,because this is the first need of every people to have their own
 house and Lot,though i also see the investment
 in Road project specially those who has "Toll Fees" because this is a lifetime investments and no losses,imagine you will only collect money every minute after the construction of the said Road?
Seems like you have no sympathy in Bitcoin lol.

What are you doing inside crypto?bounties?it looks like you have never invest in crypto even a single cents the way you talk here.

Honestly it depends on where you live, some countries have real estate prices a lot bigger than other places and it makes no sense to buy them. For example, where I live it is not really a smart thing to own a house (other than your own obviously) to rent because rent is low but house prices a lot bigger, if you actually buy a house and rent it, it will usually take 17 years to pay it back, MAKES NO SENSE to buy one.

However if I do buy bitcoin in millions of dollars (hopefully if I ever get rich :D) I would feel a bit scared as well, bitcoin is a great investment but it is also scary to watch yourself lose hundreds of thousands of dollars every day and next day earn that back, volatility is not really a friendly thing when you are that rich, you want a bit more guaranteed income.

There's no such rule! How can you be so sure that your real estate's value will increase over time?
I'll give you a simple example. You decide to buy a house and rent it out. That's your time spent on getting good tenants or a fee for an agency. In case of a fire or a gas explosion you could lose the property so you have to insure it. It costs you money... There's a lot of expenses associated with real estate.

It was just about this idea of "market value." I'm a big believer in markets as the most efficient way to distribute assets, goods, services. My overall take is that, to give an extreme example, if we have a society where no one can afford housing, that suggests the existing housing has little market value. If there is no trading volume or liquidity, if there is zero demand, there is no provable value. You can offer it for sale but if no one is willing to buy, you can't argue it's worth the selling price. It's clearly worth less.

Here's an example. You have an illiquid shitcoin. Nobody wants it, nobody trades it. Just like the situation above where no one can afford housing, there is no market demand. Does it have value? Of course not. An asset only has as much value as someone on the market is willing to pay for it. Maybe you spent an absurd amount mining this shitcoin, but that doesn't make it valuable. To me, that's the same as spending an absurd amount building a house no one can afford to buy.

I think investing in Bitcoin is better than real estate right now. Due to the current pandemic situation, people rarely buy houses,
so it would be very difficult to sell houses in a situation like now. Moreover, house prices are very expensive, with the economic
crisis hitting the entire country. I think very few people can afford to buy a house. Then it is not a good choice for investing in Real
estate. Bitcoin can be purchased for as little as $ 10, so it's very affordable. So it's no wonder that in 2020 the popularity of Bitcoin
is getting higher, which means that many people have started buying Bitcoin this year.

Broadly speaking, the RE value theory is very influential with changes in foreign exchange. The market has the same logic where supply and demand make value, in RE and BTC they are quite different. I think that the decline in RE value that you mean doesn't really make sense because investing in real estate is an investment that clients very much ask for, the RE investment portfolio is better in terms of value growth every year.

Talking of real estate is competently depends on where are you actually live and your government policies regarding to the real estate. In some countries the government will take people a huge amount of tax for holding any kind of real estate other than their own home. If you don't have such tax problems in your country, buying real estate, maybe an apartment and renting it can be pretty good. In the other side of story, you will need much more money to invest on real estate and government can always track all your funds.

the government is smart in tracking everyone's assets to invest in real estate and possibly other expensive products like cars and so on. for the rich, it doesn't matter because they can pay taxes with the results of their business and often it is paid by the company where they work. but what is feared is a deviation from people who steal state money to be invested not in their name and this often happens so that when fraud occurs after exiting punishment, they still have assets in store. and until now the authorities have not been able to do it or there is cooperation and no one can find out.

The amount of research needed to be done to make a real estate deal is much higher than investing in cryptos. You are right that there are so many different aspects to be considered when buying property. One alternative could be to invest in real estate funds that invest in a broad area of properties. But personally I would recommend going for bitcoins. Interest rates have been on the low levels for the last 10 years which made loans very cheap and housing affordable for a lot people. Prices are very high right now.

That is the difference between bitcoin and fiat investments, in bitcoin smaller investors could take a charge as well and that is what makes this so beautiful as well. If you are already rich that you consider if you should get a real estate or you should get bitcoin, you can go with real estate by that point, nobody really cares because you are already rich anyway so it is not a big issue.

However if you have few hundred or few thousand dollars that you have no idea what to do, you could only go for bitcoin because anything else would be too little of an income whereas bitcoin could go 2x or 3x and if you invest into other coins you could go as much as 10x, which nothing else could give it to you. Sure it is riskier but at least here you have as much right as the rich people.

I know that house prices are high in the United States, because of the corona virus, house prices should actually go up, because people would want to have more houses.
Owning a home or investing in cryptocurrency depends entirely on the social, economic, and cultural relationships of that person.
Young and single people do not want to own a house, but people who are married and have children want to own a house.

Is it just me or are you guys scared of making these type of investments as well? I mean if I invest into a stock, that company could bankrupt and stock will worth nothing at all, if I invest into a real estate, something bad could happen to it, if I invest into gold but digitally via my bank, government could take over the ownership and give me whatever the worth is in fiat by printing money and making gold more valuable.

Anything could happen into any investment. However for some reason I feel safe with crypto, it doesn't have that type of trouble, in crypto you basically go with whatever you want and usually bitcoin will not go bankrupt or zero or anything, you will be safe and your money will gain value. I know others are not that scary neither but I just feel like that.

Real estate for the most part follows inflation, which is why it has been considered to be a good way to protect your wealth for a long time, obviously the market can also show distortions and it could be overvalued however a tripling of the price over the course of 20 years seems to be about right, governments are printing money thinking they can do this forever but sooner or later we will reach a breaking point and when that happens inflation will be completely out of control in which case the price of real estate will go up as well.

I think there is no Real State decline here in our Country as of this year due to the increasing urbanization and expansion in the real state construction projects. The demand is expected to rise here and its really one great investment though the tax is a bit higher. On the other hand, Bitcoin is still the best investment when we are working here in Blockchain industry. And maybe, this issues are depending on the Countries that we live in and the kind of Law/Rules that we have.

such a nice country/place to live on there because they always modernized it not unlike to some place that the development are slow .

its now 2020 but cities were still the same but the only good thing that they have is people that are sqautting or poor people that dont have thier own lots can still continue to stay or live  . another good thing is the demand of bitcoin on here versus real estate is much higher .

Yes real estate is good for the poor and helps to save them but everything goes down with the economy of the country and the poor become due to lack of adequate jobs this is not the case with bitcoin investments. Currently most of the population is turning to online work to overcome the crisis it is true that technology has not yet touched many countries but if bitcoin is controlled by the government it will be much easier to solve the problem.

I do understand that prices will not fall but like what with the situation that we have, if they are in dire need of money or cash, they'll desperately sell their properties with a lower price to attract cash buyers and dispose the property while taking the money.
Excluding the process time and other tax works. I'd like to take the opportunity if there are sellers and they're under the market price but haven't seen any and it seems that in my area, properties aren't going that low.

And again-an attempt to compare an apple and an orange.
How many uses does real estate have? Investment as such (land and housing are only getting more expensive), passive income (renting), the ability to live in this very house, the ability to run a small farm on your site. Yes, you can at least put a wind generator and be as Autonomous as possible. No wonder they say that "my home is my fortress".

And what can btc (or any other cryptocurrency) oppose to this? A couple of beautiful candles on the terminal screen, planted nerves from over-volatility? Let's not compare two conceptually different things, please.

Real estate is safer and if it is good real estate we can rent out and receive interest monthly. Real estate always plays an important role in any investor's investment.
Bitcoin has a higher risk despite its very high likelihood of price increases. Bitcoin storage has many problems such as hack attacks, lack of recovery characters ...

And nevertheless, due to the high volatility of the cryptocurrency, as well as due to good coincidences, the cryptocurrency, namely Bitcoin, makes it possible to earn very big money. Of course, money can later be invested in real estate. Any money, as well as cryptocurrencies, they are today, and tomorrow they are not. But real estate always remains and can bring constant profit if it is rented out.

If somebody has only few thousand dollar then real estate would not be an option because you require a lot of money while investing in real estate and in bitcoin you can even invest few hundred dollars and can exit on booking your profits any times. real estate is fine when you have to stay in the house but just for investing, I will choose bitcoin over real estate due to various reasons.

Real estate is safe, but if the same isn't made on the right property the investor needs to bear big loss. With all forms of investment there is need for better analysis and risk. One needs to make a better planning and do the investment. Real estate investment requires big capital, which isn't affordable for all. With bitcoin the risk is high, but with any small denomination one can invest into it.

I also fall with your idea that real estate can be more secured than bitcoin investment. The land does not depreciate in whatever form. From what I have noticed, the land investment is more rest assured because it is less volatile than bitcoin. And more in appreciation when you get more facilities around it. It process is gradual which is the reason people go into it.

During the lockdown many estate loose value because of the corona virus that is spreading over the world.many people are crying because of the hardship that is increasing everyday no money money to pay bill and other things.

I prefer to invest with bitcoin than estate because during the pandemic those that invest with bitcoin never cry of hardship,even when the lockdown reduce other cryptocurrencies value is own value was okay to the investors.

In my country, many people can invest in property under the sharia system. Indeed, the target of this program is for the lower middle class because the property prices offered are between USD 20,000 - USD 70,000, there is an easy down payment, easy installment payments of up to 15 years, no interest, no late fees and no foreclosure when default. Even if after several periods we fail to pay in installments for some reason, the developer will return the money we have paid, only the usual administration deduction of around USD 100.

in my Subdivision ,there are houses that for sale now just because of they cannot pay the mortgage monthly because of pandemic,and not only that but the price is really low compared to what the value in normal days.
You are wrong,it is better to invest in real estate now because the value is decreasing for now meaning in the next 5-10 years we will surely make a profit when the world recovers from this deep economy.

Because of the pandemic outbreak, there are a lot of people affected on does not have any kind of job and one of the affected right here is the owners of the real state some of them sell their property in to a lower price because we do not know when is the time will the COVID will go. If you are already affected on this outbreak there is no sources of other income there is no choice you need to give up your houses, and this time this is good for buying a lot of houses because the price drops immediately, if I have enough budget with that I will do the same.


The bitcoin does not really worry about because they are volatile if you want to choose between investing with the real state of bitcoin, I will rather choose the real state because the price of it increases every time a year will come bitcoin is just volatile, so there is a change every time well I want to have a secured long term investment.

Me too. If ever I had the adequate amount of money for engaging with real estates then I would be willing to do it. No hesitations at all. Coz why not? Because like what you've said, these hard times are the best time to buy one. You can save a lot by buying those properties that are sold in lower price.

Thanks to Xian Gaza ;D. I'm sure you know who he is but despite of his bad credential records I idolize him when it comes to financing. He enlightened me more on the dos and don'ts when it comes to real estate.

Certainly, Real estate has a higher value and is harder to own because we have more responsibilities to them, such as paying taxes, completing complicated transfer procedures. The government recognizes real estate, while bitcoin is vague and accepted only in a few countries.
Of course, you can own bitcoins much easier than real estate, you can only need a few taps to own bitcoin or whatever cryptocurrency you want.
But clearly, real estate is better for many reasons such as geographical, social, legal factors, so they have sustainable value.

I guess it depends on the real estate a bit as well. If you are going to buy another house and rent it and that is it, I would rather get bitcoin over that, having 10 houses makes no sense in my minds, if you want to have a house you live in, go do that and it makes sense, but if you buy 10 more just so you can get rent, it makes zero sense. Real estate should be for business and if you do not deal with it like a business deal than you will lose money on it eventually.

Buy a shop and rent it to someone, buy small gym place or whatever and rent it, hell even stadiums (the small 100 person capacity ones) are being sold, why not buy them, it is like 300-500k honestly and not more because technically it is a stadium but in reality 100 person capacity is nothing so they are cheap, and rent it to a team. All in all buy a real estate that you can rent to another business, not people.

I am already invested in real estate for a long time and thought about adding more money to my real estate fund during the corona pandemic, but prices are not falling at all here. Residential house prices are going even up during corona. And with interest rates so low I think it's not a good time to buy real estate at the moment. I would also not sell real estate at the moment, best is to just hold and enjoy any future price increase. There is much more upside potential in Bitcoins in my opinion.

Both things are good for investing, but there's still some difference in Real estate and Bitcoin.
Real estate is using for long term investment like you have to buy the property and hold them for more than 10 years, after that you'll get some profit.
While in bitcoin you can earn profit in just a short time of period. The main thing is there's high risk in the Real estate while in bitcoin there are fewer chances of getting scammed.

So you are living in a heaven? :o But most of the countries don't have such things, every middle class lose their life just paying interest throughout their entire life just for a house or an appartment.Real estate is always a good investment but this might be changed due to the modern internet world in my opinion, especially due to the work from home people can chose a rural place with much lower land value to build their home then they can lead better live than living in a busy city where land values or 10x or 100x higher.

circumstances vary by region (country and city)..  I live in the capital of a developing country and house price movements are not falling (only people's purchasing power has decreased during this "PANDEMIC").  In my country, real estate and land are investments that will not hurt because the density of the population in my city makes people's desire to buy a house very high.. 

If you are a wise investor then you will definitely choose to invest in both (Real estate & Bitcoin) because it would be foolish if you have a lot of Bitcoin but don't have a real estate..

I personally experienced in my life during the bull market of bitcoin during the year 2018. By the time I had few Bitcoins, but the greed and hope of bitcoin reaching much high value kept holding even when I received more suggestions of making an investment on property.

The value of my portfolio got declined, and slowly my holdings got washed away on gambling. If I've invested on property by that time. Now I could've got a better value for the property. As said in the quote, combined investment on bitcoin and real estate is good than completely relying on anything specific.

I agree with pixie. Real estate is very different from one place to another. Even from one neighbourhood to another you will see huge differences. It is all a matter of , jobs, landscape, schools, hospitals, public transportation, crime, etc.

IMO real estate is good to "park" your money for a steady growth of capital through property appreciation and hopefully monthly cash-flow.

This is both a long term investment and is equally risky and obviously equally profitable. No real estate investment is going to happen quickly in a period of under 10 years is going to be on the rise. besides there are indeed extraordinary things, but it will definitely take a while and the situation can be unfavorable. not if you are looking for the wrong one because it could often be a flooded area and others where prices do not soar. if the area is good and complete, it can be several times the cost of goods, which is certainly more profitable than bitcoin when it comes to the value obtained. But bitcoin is not too risky in comparison because real estate exists in the form of things.

I think that in many countries with a large Muslim population, there are programs like this but not many people know about it. Because in Muslim teachings, everything related to borrowing and lending with interest is prohibited by religion and is a grave sin. Along with the increasing religious awareness of Muslims and along with the increasing population of Muslims around the world, semi-Islamic banking and full Islamic banking are growing.

I assume if there are many people who think the same as you, then over time property prices in the countryside will increase and there will be equitable growth and development between villages and cities, but on the other hand, with the development in villages, villages will eventually become cities.

Some Muslim countries even doesn't follow the sharia law they have the traditional lending system so people are paying more interest rates even in this pandemic some of the countries didn't give any exception to the loan.

If economic inequality tends to be lower the life style of middle class people will change a lot.

Bitcoin is gonna take the crown from the real estate investments as there can't be any other investment than cryptocurrencies that can give you such returns in a matter of 10 years only and most of the times real estate takes more than 10 years to get to double price. Also people used to say bitcoin is a risky investment and is used by the black markets which isn't the case anymore where even institutions are also investing in it now.

What do you mean by that is it? Lol, what else do you expect? You can rent/lease a house and then you start getting passive earnings. A guaranteed source of income to be precise. Not to mention, the value of house property also appreciates over time. Where as if you invest on bitcoin, there isn't a guarantee that you will be earning profits every month. True the value of bitcoin will rise in the long run, but what if you need money unexpectedly? You can liquidate it, but what if the value dropped? You will be making loss.

We have so much condos in my place, so many real estate and some of those are not fully consumed by the market but since the emerge of Chinese companies and people in my country in looks like real estate are booming again, but I can’t tell this yet. Bitcoin on the other hand works worldwide, and this is good because we all have a general indicator for bitcoin unlike on the real estate. They both good investment but I’ll go for bitcoin since I can liquidate it easily at anytime.

Actually both real estate and Bitcoin are very good assets for investment, especially for those who have a lot of money.
I recommend investing in both, but since not everyone has a lot of money, but still wants to buy assets. I prefer to buy
Bitcoin, because for now you have to have a minimum capital of $ 11,000 to be able to invest in real estate, and not
everyone has that kind of money. In contrast to Bitcoin which can be purchased for only $ 10, this makes Bitcoin more
likely to be bought by everyone.

Even though we know the potential of Bitcoin but still it cannot defeat the real estate investment in terms of long term appreciation, it can really give us passive income where we can rely on in terms of crisis or but we need to get a asset which is near to city or any accessible areas so that we will not get out of renter's which we can get the profits from it. Although Bitcoin can give the same daily earnings but still it's a huge risk since probabilities to lose still there.

Real estate's value increases with time, I can bet that if you check properties that were being sold in years past you’re going to see a huge difference with the prices they are being sold at this time. Real estate is a market that doesn’t have much volatility and from what I have learnt, your losses are minimized with the length of time that you will be able to hold.

It is like a normal thing that happens with real estate, and I don’t know if that’s going to change this time around, it might continue like that or maybe not.

The real state takes a lot of time to grow while bitcoin has enough power to increase.
Plus there are many advantages of bitcoins. You can earn more money with the trading, signature campaign, and take participate in projects.
I never recommend real estate investment its a highly risky way to take profit. Bitcoin is volatile while real estate not.
So its better to chose cryptocurrencies like bitcoins and make smart income.

Generally, it's only the very rich who would buy extra property they're not regularly using. There are plenty of people who own additional property other than their primary residence as an investment. In that way, the property produces income for the extra expenses associated with owning the property and owning it doesn't cost money.

It's not applicable to all countries, here in our place the real estate price is increasing even at the time of the pandemic, it's still business as usual banks here private and government are still giving loans and there is a moratorium on existing loans, this is not permanent and the banking institutions know this so they have no reason here why they stop giving loans.

The both industry are in a much different place to deal but I agreed that real estate will continues to grow and appreciate in value. People still need a place to live, so it might continue like that. Our cryptocurrencies continues to be volatile as ever. Having everything in crypto is absurd. Spread your money out into crypto, stocks, real estate ans so on.

Check your nearest locale if the real estate properties value went down because of the pandemic. Owners who have probably near to bankruptcy will be forced to sell it on sale. While for bitcoin, it's a matter of when you will start selling what you have bought. The price doesn't matter if you're thinking that this asset will go long term and that's the same for real estate properties. But if you have enough money to invest, I'll take both of it, I prefer both of these assets.

which one do you prefer and understand?because if none then better not invested on those unless all the money you want to invest is amount that you can risk to lose?

but since you are in crypto market,then my advise is invest in Bitcoin and just go wait for the right time to sell off.

Real estate and cryptocurrencies have one thing in common. If invested in the wrong property it ends with loss, as per that if invested on wrong cryptocurrency then it'll end with a massive loss. Whether it is real estate or bitcoin, when the market is supportive we need to profit out of it. I'll suggest to go invest 25% on real estate and the rest on cryptocurrencies. Surely you'll have a security with the 25% and the massive profit from the 75% depending on the holding.

RE and BTC are options. speculatively, RE will sell well in the future because it is usually closely related to property, be it buildings or land. it all depends on how the form of RE .  BTC is full of speculation and uncertainty. if demand is low, BTC is no longer valuable, whereas if RE demand is low, it can be used for other purposes because the goods exist and are real.

Shall it base on a personal interest because myself I referred cryptocurrency especially Bitcoin investment more than Estate investment,because in estate management investment it required a serious supervision and stress in order for it to function properly, at times it needs senior advocates who will guides the estate to avoid destruction or attacks from other partners because their is alot of competition in such investment.

I'm sure I have replied to topics like this in several threads on this forum already.
Although bitcoin has some advantages over real estate, it doesn't rule out the fact that real estate is a great method of investment. If you believe real estate is declining, I think it is only in certain parts of the world. Real estate is still a good form of investment in my country. I can't begin to list out the numerous benefits of investing in real estate. I do believe that the only best thing to do is to invest in both if you can spare. Investors has been advised to diversify their assets over the years and it still remains the best advice.

it cannot be debated that Real Estate still the best investment for now, but in the middle of this "PANDEMIC" you should be able to think of other investments that can make money faster than Real Estate, we know that selling Real Estate is not as easy as other investments (gold, commodities, cryptocurrencies, forex, and stocks) takes a week or a month to sell it.  we will not know when you really need money, it is much better to save some of your money for other investments then you invest the rest in Real Estate..

People do not understand that if you want to go into real estate you are going to deal with a lot more stuff and not everyone can get into real estate neither. For example, I do not have any money to buy any real estate, I am much too poor to be buying any place at all, which leaves me with only bitcoin investment in this versus, not even a question for me because I have absolutely zero way to get a real estate so it is simple answer.

However even for people who can buy a house, it is not really that easy to buy any real estate and just done with it, you have to deal with taxes, income and real estate, you have to deal with renters (and that is a big issue) and you have to deal with maintenance as well, whereas you simply just buy bitcoin and you are done.

Many people think that owning property will always be profitable because its value will increase over time, even though property can become a burden for the owner because there are routine expenses that must be paid, the property is really maximal for investment when it can be rented out, used as a boarding house or used as a budget lodging house. When the property is not productive it will become liabilities.

Why you are comparing of real estate with bitcoin!! Bitcoin is the unique and can't be compared to any of asset in this world.The common between this to is,it will depend on the market and demand in the market.If you compare the price more than 2 years,it will enormous change in price.Either in positive or negative way.If the demand will sustain,you get good price any time.

25 75 is ok, i guess. But if I have a lot of money, putting them all in real estate is never a bad idea since in my country, houses are extremely expensive and its price continues to go up no matter how the situation of the economy are. For instance, during this pandemic, real estate only dropped for a month and then, it has steadily increased since then

Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies are really promising at the moment. So be wise when making an investment because as you say, one mistake can lead to a huge loss. Nobody wants to lose their money in this field. Being rich is everyone's dream here. So, be a wise investor

I think that in this crisis, loans will have decreased in banks due to the economic instability of the moment. Commercial activities in countries that have not flattened the contagion curve are reduced. Perhaps in certain cases Real estate is working normally. While Bitcoin is an asset available for investment 24/7 and 365 days a year.

At current prices I'd rather own more real estate than more bitcoin. I just don't view huge gains as likely at the current prices for bitcoin and the risk from the volatility is too high.  Real estate over the long term acts as a hedge against inflation and also produces an income stream on top of that, which bitcoin doesn't. It's just a better asset class in my opinion.

I see the same thing.  Real estate is an attractive investment because during this pandemic, only investments in real estate can be repaid, aka debt.  But the value of real estate itself will increase every year.  Everyone needs shelter and that's for sure.  When compared to bitcoin, not everyone finds bitcoin attractive, not even everyone needs bitcoin.  The conclusion is based on the needs of human life itself, investing in real estate will be more profitable than bitcoin itself.

I would prefer to invest in real estate. At least this market is much more predictable and stable than crypto. And it is growing despite the economic crisis, just look here (https://virtoproperty.com/property-for-sale/cheap) how many new homes are building now. Crypto is not the best way to go.

You want to invest in real estate, it is a safer investment channel than crypto is absolutely right but you need a large capital. The cryptocurrency market is more risky but effective faster and the amount you need to invest may not be too large, but you can make a lot of money in not too long time.

I don't know why many people prefer to invest with estate than bitcoin. I wonder why many never still understand that the profit bitcoin will bring for half year estate will not but people never still understand that one. Despite bitcoin way is pumping now, it will still pumping More than this where the season finally show.
I don't think there's any way to compare estate with bitcoin. Estate reward is every year some times it depends where the estate is located. And sometimes the reward is not warranty that the manager will get the money before year end. There are many stress in estate business. I think bitcoin investment is more better than estate investment.

There are ways to invest in real estate without buying the actual real estate. REITs are publicly traded securities that invest in real estate and pay out the earnings from renting the property as dividends. You can invest $100 or even less at a time into REITs, so not necessarily true that you need a large capital investment in order to get exposure to real asset as an investment class.

I think both are fundamentally connected at some level. Because as the population rises more, the demand for both of them will continue to rise while there is very limited amount for both. It makes sense why to be an investor on both fields and make a wise decision to make good fortune. It's very bad to put all investments in one basket!

Real estates prices are declining during this pandemic mainly because the owners are in need and are desperate for money, hence opting to sell their properties for much lower price than it should be.

The banks and corporations aren't offering big loans now because they're also thinking of the people's capability to pay on time. Some believe that majority of the borrowers are not capable to pay their loans and debt because of unemployment, that's why they're limiting lending of money only to those who they think are fit to pay with interest on time. After all, these are still businesses that need a sure generate and return of income.

I believe both real estates and bitcoin are nice investments. Real estates price increase over time. The value of properties such as land, house and lot and others increase as time passes by. The demand for properties especially in those areas with nice location increase in price especially if it has a great potential for opening an establishment. This makes real estates a safe investment because you can always sell it in higher price in the future and you can utilize it to generate additional income as well. Bitcoin is a nice investment too since it has promising value. Although this also changes over time, depending on the season. I guess it's still much better to have both and be strategic to make it generate income for you.

Just always make sure that you're going to buy and negotiate to a legitimate land owner and broker. Make sure that they'll provide complete and clean papers for the real estate you're planning to buy.

Actually in my city the real estate prices are not dropping at all during the corona pandemic. We are seeing a slow down in apartment turnovers and purchases, but the building of new houses and apartments is still ongoing and as strong as 2-3 years ago before corona.  The government is supporting many companies through grants which enables them to keep on their staff during these times. And for people who still want to sell their property they will not really go down in price and just wait longer. And if you really do need money in the short term, I noticed that people just tend to take out a loan with their house or apartment as collateral.

There is a need for both at work and there is a difference between the two Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency that extends beyond it's underlying Internet source and then becomes a legitimate method of sending and receiving funds. Bitcoin can be used when shopping in both online and traditional physical retail stores and has even been known to be used for major purchases such as cars and real estate investors need both.

Depends on the sector. Residential real estate not so much. Prices are at an all time high in most places in the US despite the pandemic. Commercial real estate is another matter. Big city skyscrapers are having trouble right now, but even some retail is still decent.

Wrong actually the price of real estate assets continuously rising and the sales is been more higher even if there's a pandemic.

Here I will give you the article of CLI where they got 41% higher jump of sales and that's huge. https://www.cebulandmasters.com/news/cli-posts-41-jump-in-reservation-sales/

Although there are other people selling their property at low price but it doesn't affect the entire value of all property listed around the world.

there may be individuals selling their property at lower prices, but i do agree that in general, real estate property are still on the rise even with this pandemic.

and based on this article (though they are tackling few major areas only), but it has an opening statement that "Despite the pandemic-induced global recession, house prices in major markets globally continue to rise." and they have basis what theyre trying to convey here

https://www.dw.com/en/global-housing-markets-overheating-amid-pandemic-stimulus/a-55282914


this crisis will stop sooner or later, so i dont think it is really smart move to sell your property during crisis, unless you are in a desperate situation.

This is a very interesting discussion in my opinion, because both are profitable investments. But for me investing in Bitcoin is more promising,
the reason is that the volatile movement of Bitcoin can make us get faster and bigger profits than investing in real estate. Especially for people
whose economy is not good, but want to try investing. Bitcoin is still affordable compared to real estate which must have large capital. Even the
first time investing in Bitcoin I only spent $ 20.

Depending on the City chosen will be the growth of real estate investment. In some countries real estate give good return, whereas in some the investment value declines. This is all because of the prevailing economic situation. Particularly real estate is something like a boom, we don't know when it gets falling or keeps rising.

In my country the real estate investment is good and people have made a big lifestyle change out of it. Same time there are people who have lost everything putting their hard earning into real estate. Same as we've got Scammers, fraudsters can be seen much in real estate which is a trap for common man.

From my point of view you can't compare real estate with bitcoin! The first and most important is the capital you need for the start, with bitcoins you can start even with a few dollars (if you find some way to buy it directly without some big fees), and for real-estates you need a lot of money to start! Second is the time frame, investing in real-estates is good, but good location are already very expensive, finding new desirable locations and waiting them to become popular means 10-20 years of waiting, and it's like gamble, things can change in that time! Therefore,  you can compare real-estates with crypto-currencies, I am sure you can find cheap houses on some locations, the same as you can find cheap alts, and in future those locations can be very popular, the same as alts and there will be your profit! All that sounds like a gambling, which probably is, but again with crypto you can risk less money!

Real estate has specific characteristics and according to each country and region to value. To invest in real estate we need a sufficient amount of money and may need a lawyer to help us complete our transaction. Selling a property takes a certain amount of time for someone to notice and offer to buy it. In this case, the slippage in the deal happens quite high because it is a discussion process. We can use real estate for rent and bitcoin cannot.
As for Bitcoin, we can own much less money than real estate, we can transact ourselves with immediate effect. Bitcoin's liquidity is global and you can buy Bitcoin anywhere in the world.
What Bitcoin and real estate have in common is that they are limited assets.

For long term ye it's real state that will surely grant you a high value in returned but in terms of opportunities both short and long term bitcoin can deliver if you knows how to work with it, the demands is already rising and with more people to recognize this system you'll never know what would be the value after another 10 years.

Real Estate will have some point in time that we will need to alot budget for maintenance as well will depend on what kind of Real Estate we will be having, a condominium or a apartment type. It will only be considered investment if it's able to provide earning  like Bitcoin can do in a long run or able to earn by trading it.

I preferably choose trade BTC first then earnings can be used to buy Real Estate like a apartment that can provide guaranteed profit.

Real Estate is definitely a great pool to invest in. If you don't have hundred thousands, if not millions of dollars however, you'd not find much success in this venture as it requires the investor to pool in a lot of money to buy off properties and have them either be sold at a bigger price, or be rented. Bitcoin however, is much more budget-friendly but is not that reliable in terms of profitability because of bitcoin's high volatility rate.

This is where REITs come in.  You can get exposure to real estate by investing in publicly-traded REITs.  With many brokerages doing away with account minimums and commissions, you can buy a few shares at a time. Real estate doesn't have to require many thousands of dollars in order to buy exposure to this investment class.

Home prices in my country have now fallen due to this pandemic affecting real estate prices in Indonesia making things seem difficult and now everything is going to change and real estate businessmen also appear to be losing money and barely able to pay state taxes.

bitcoin investment in my country has experienced a good increase where this epidemic has not had much effect with the current bitcoin price instead the price of bitcoin has increased very fast and bitcoin has reached a high price with this bitcoin being a very popular investment of the year.

I wish home prices would be falling in my country too. At these level of prices in real estate at the moment it's not a good idea to buy in my opinion. If there would be a drop of 10-15% in home prices, I would change my mind and start buying an apartment. But at the moment prices are just too high. In my opinion its better to invest in crypto currencies at the moment, rather than real estate.

It's those insanely low interest rates. I've never seen a sub 2.5% 30 year rate on a home mortgage in my entire life. It's the only thing keeping the prices that high. If interest rates go up for whatever reason the I fully expect a good 10-30% drop in home prices. In the end the home buyer still ends up paying the same amount at 30 years, the interest carriers just make more and the property tax basis would come down.

I am use to estate business over 10 years which I have use it to make good income from the business. But since covid-19 came it hard me to maintain the same profit I use to make.
Just few some few days I tested bitcoin investment I came to discover that bitcoin is more faster than estate in profit making.

I don't think that real estate is declining, perhaps it is still a very good investment since real estate could've probably inceeases it's value for a long term investment. Bitcoin may increase in the long term investment, but also has the chance to lessen or decrease it's price. And real estate is probably an investment that is good for a long term because the property gets valuable in the long run.

real estate has not decreased but the sales are very long, while we as a business who want to make money must be able to distinguish the profits that can be obtained, trading can get daily and weekly profits, but for  the profits that are obtained can sometimes be more than 1 month so in my opinion if you want to get a lot of income, you can use both of them to make a profit and have savings in the future.

What kind of real estate? Renting flats like airbnb? Such thing was meant to generate losses in a lockdown situation. I have a friends who is in real estate, has a hotel, a few flats, 2 houses... and he lost a lot of money this year, but still managed to stay afloat because he does a mix of short and long term renting, so his short term places generated losses, but those on long time rent weren't affected.

Real estate has some relationship with the solvency of the population, economic activity in the state and may not always bring benefits to its owner in the end and also experience both an increase and a decrease in prices, but of course not on the same scale as it happens with bitcoin. As a result, it can be argued that bitcoin can bring much greater profitability in the end over time.

It's always good to have a mix of assets. Before covid I had some investment in a LLC that owns class B rental properties and was pulling in a good 6-7% per year with nice tax deduction to boot. Since covid that rental income has dropped to 30% of its previous income while the house 2 year lease contracts continue to pay a lower but steady 5% and since its in a good area the renters weren't hit as hard by covid downturn and continue to pay rent. Usually the higher the reward the more sensitive they are to downturns like this plandemic.

In the Philippines, prices of lands have been increasing through the years especially lands in the provinces. Most of my relatives are starting to acquire and purchase lands currently during the pandemic while the prices are low.

Real estate will always be valuable especially as a tangible asset that will always be sought for in the near future. Generally, the prices of lands would mature via long-term investment; that is why one must consider this investment on their portfolios.

Real estate doesn't have an universal value, whereas bitcoin has the universal value. Real estate value varies on the development around the property. With real estate too, the demand to supply cause the rise in the value of property. With real estate the market decline won't happen in a short, possibly there'll be growth. With bitcoin there is chance of rise and drop in the value.

But the point there is which of them is more good to choose with? Bitcoin really do a great performance this days but you cannot really compare it to real estate assets. Although you are gaining for now on bitcoins still this is not sustainable since there are months that we are in red and might we will lose a huge amount of we got caught by volatile market.

While with real estate asset we can get a passive income for life with big value appreciation over the years that's why I always choose this over the other promising one since real estate assets really prove that this can give us a real wealth in the long run.

In my case I prefer bitcoin if it only I had a small amount and could not afford to invest in a real estate property. But  if I do can afford to invest in real estate then probably I have to think of which would be between the two asset ia good. Well, I can go in real estate knowing that some of it will goes to bitcoin. I think I need to diversified my investment so that whenever one fails the other asset coule be save at least but in bitcoin and real estate high assurance of getting profit over a period of time beating inflation rate.

How? Irrespective that it may be truth but I think these kind of statement need prove to operates to be consider as a geniu point, at this point I disagree with you that all money does not go to crypto as a fiat.

If you are talking about safe investment I'd go with real estate, I know price isn't the same since last 20 years now but real estate is far safer than bitcoin investment, there are still big money to be made in both but real estate wins here

If we are talking about profit making I think bitcoin has the upper hand because real estate takes years, bitcoin can take years too but since I've been into crypto bitcoin always brings opportunity every single year, if you know what you are doing you will make insane profits from Bitcoin every year without bull seasons

No matter how much real estate falls, even if you can buy a mansion in California for at least 1 BTC, you are missing one important point.
Own a house-it is forever, along with the plot (land) and everything that grows on it.
You can say as much as you want that you don't need to invest in anything other than BTC, but the problem is that - let's admit it to each other and to ourselves - cryptocurrencies are not eternal (in the form in which they are now). And your own home will always be the most valuable thing you can buy in life.
If you try, you will be able to live in principle without money (but first you have to invest) if have your own house and land). BTC - only store/spend/trade.
And again, for fans of "doomsday" and its consequences-the house is also a great shelter (even if you dig a bunker, no one will tell you a word), as well as a great place for defense and storage of supplies.

A house is the best purchase in your life, and you can hardly argue with this in any way.

I accept the land part but not the home, I'm a owner myself and I spend more on the home every year because the fact is as time goes by the buildings lose taste, they get older too, you need to keep reshaping the up to look better and also maintaining the home, owning lands is just better IMO

I don't believe that Bitcoin will seize to exists some day, I believe bitcoin will be very useful in the future and what makes crypto a better place to be for profits is it's volatility, you could only complain if you don't know when to get in and when to get out

That's the point.
"There will be no more land" - and that is why land is the most valuable thing you can buy in your life.
But what to do with it is your business-to build your own house, investing all your money and effort in it just because it is your dream.
Open some local agricultural enterprise, jumping on the not-quite-far-gone trend for eco-products.
Yes, at least make a recreation area or some kind of camping - anything.
And all this will bring, in the end, profit - either material or spiritual, in the form of peace of mind and joy.
Few people understand but people are now more than ever before far from the earth and it is from here, as for me, all the classic problems of depression, extra nerves and the like begin. It is worth spending one weekend swinging a hoe in your garden or fixing the stairs on the porch and now all the worries are gone and you have rested as well as possible.

Real estate investment is good and crypto investment is more profitable but Bitcoin is highly volatility too making it the most risky investment among the two, if you have enough money I advise investing in the following

1. Crypto
2. Stock
3. Real estate

For me it is not about what is better between real estate and bitcoin because it is about if we are being profitable in the certain investment that we are currently doing, why keep debating on what's better if you can make investment in both bitcoin and real estate? Both of them are one of the best financial instruments in order to achieve financial freedom. I have bitcoins but I doesn't have enough buying power for me to purchase real estate and for me it is really good to have piece of land because its value it keep increasing over the period of time. When it comes to volatility, the bitcoin for sure is more volatile so it is the reason why I first make investment to it than in real estate.

I think putting resources into bitcoin would be more valuable than any property or real estate.

You need to sit tight years for the benefit in real estate, while bitcoin takes just barely months.
You can do short-term investment with bitcoin with trade, while real estate is pretty sluggish.
I heard numerous individuals sold their properties just to put resources into bitcoins so plainly individuals consider bitcoin more helpful than some other speculation

It depends on location heavily, some places don't gain value even if years pass and some places go up higher than even Bitcoin price. I think the most important thing is how you diversify your portfolio. You can't be %100 in real estate or %100 in crypto. Smart money goes into crypto lately but traditional money is still in real life values. Real estate never lose its importance in investment instruments. While I prefer Bitcoin and other major crypto currencies in my portfolio more, I always look out for opportunities for real estate and undervalued lands.

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Diversify while you can and as long you do have the money then it isnt bad to consider on putting to real estates and other traditional businesses or investment out there which would really give out chance

for you to achieved some leverage or passive income which makes more money if you do it well and somewhat been lucky on all of your investment.Dont limit out yourself into the opportunities because

there would really be lots if you do look out on bigger picture.Just dont stop and be wise and smart on dealing and handling those.

It may seem to be true but owning these tangible assets is still needed by everyone.

The risk for these two assets are really different but if you're someone who's too patient with bitcoin, you choose it. But if you have allotted money for real estate and you'll use it for rental income.

It's a good source of passive income while it appreciates its value too.

Real estate in any case looks like a less risky option than bitcoin, although there may be exceptions to this rule, but as always, these exceptions only confirm the rules. In any case, real estate relies more on the real physical world and you are paying for something real and tangible. Bitcoin, on the other hand, refers to the virtual world, which can cost absolutely nothing, and a lot and a lot of things here are tied to subjective factors such as faith. A lot depends on your ultimate goals, because real estate is usually more associated with investing, and bitcoin is more associated with earning and increasing your capital. Market players behave accordingly, they are more predictable in the first case and more risky in the second case. In any case, borrowed funds play a much smaller role in cryptocurrencies than in real estate transactions.

Before choosing to invest, I would choose real estate, but now my choice is Bitcoin.
In recent years, the pace of development of the real estate industry has slowed slowly.
There are still many differences between the two. There are also many fields involved in real estate.
With the development of Bitcoin, Bitcoin may be used to buy houses in the future, and the two promote each other's development.

Liquidity and easily convertible to fiat if required is not possible in real estate. As well the volatility is high in bitcoin but eventually if you do not want money in short term, then bitcoin yield is much better than real estate. Buying/Selling real estate is not easy as against bitcoin which can be done any time from anywhere.

Real state is by far to slow to reach financial freedom in most cases. You need quite a significant seed, maturation times are in the range of several years and a downturn may catch you at any time with too much leverage eating up the profits of many years of hard work and investment. Bitcoin is more easy going, but is also only for people who understand that the ride is not going to be smooth and that there will be lots of volatility which in real state also exists, but is not as evident.

Real estate returns is like that of stock market, it's slow and it takes time probably years that's why crypto stands out among the rest, crypto investment brings the fastest ROI and also it's the most risky I believe but people don't care much about the risk side cos crypto have favoured too many, real estate and stock are good places to invest your money but crypto is undeniable

Where is your comparison for Bitcoin? Nonetheless, for me, BTC and real estate has one the same unique feature which is both are property. Real estate however can be taken down by governments while your BTC cant. Both are property assets in the sense that you hold every rights to what you will do it. Bitcoin now has many project that helps it have more use. Bitcoin now has lending, borrowing, AMM platform which helps you do more with it. Chech sovryn. DeFi for Bitcoin.

That's it.
it doesn't match if real estate is said to be declining but because what I know the real estate requires a long time in selling because besides the compatibility ranging from the condition of the building condition etc.
In contrast to Bitcoin which does require time also if we wait for the right time to sell but if you want it instead it doesn't matter if we want it without seeing the existing price but of course, it is also seen from the risk of losses too

I'm sure there is no debate if someone wants to hold both because these both have very good potential can give very good profit in long run even there is some serious issues in real estate due to government factor is too much involved in this all just because of this recently in few countries they are implementing some big taxes on properties which is hurting very badly. Bitcoin is going with few advantages but now due to legislation's and new policies in different countries' crypto is also facing some serious troubles but still much better and profitable for many.

Doesnt really matter about how short or long you would able to make profits because that will always considered profit but there are investors whom do really like to see the shorter ones.
We cant deny that real estate profits could really took very long time but it isnt really a bad investment because the fact that it is one of the best basing off with traditional investments
that we do know but not all would be financially capable on dealing with real estate investment and which is opposite to bitcoin which you can buy on fractions.

There's not nearly the volatility in real estate that there is in bitcoin, not by a long shot. Real estate only moves significantly when there are large macroeconomic changes, like the housing/financial crisis in 2008 and now the shortage of housing that has driven up housing prices during the pandemic.  Absent really large macroeconomic changes like this, real estate is pretty stable.

Also, expecting to reach financial freedom easily or quickly is setting yourself up for a world of hurt, as if you expect your investments to do this you're likely in things that are far more risky than you will ever understand, or you just have absolutely no idea how the world works.  Crypto has ruined people's expectations of what is realistic, because the idea that you are likely to become "financially free" with anything other than decades of diligent work at it is a pipe dream.  But bitcoin is so popular precisely because becoming easily rich is undivorceable from the concept of bitcoin it at this point, and it's just insane how many people unquestioningly buy into it.

I won't compare real estate with bitcoin. It's the normal thing about real estate, it moves slow but it's with a guarantee that yearly there's an appreciation for the land that you own. Bitcoin's volatility is high risk and high reward so that's really different from the comparison of real estate and bitcoin. What if you take profit in bitcoin and just use the profit to buy land and use it for other source of income that your real estate might generate monthly and as it profit again, use that profit to reinvest in bitcoin.

Real estate is still a good investment, you just have to know which one you should get before anything else because it's going to be really expensive and you might not even be able to get a return of investment. Bitcoin is a good one but you should know that it's always a good idea to diversify your investments so you can insure a consistent cash flow.

Every person have different opinions but i prefer  bitcoin then real estate. Because bitcoin give massive profit within few months. Sometimes our investment doubles within months. And the best thing is that we can release our invested money at anytime. Bitcoin price increases 6 times within one year. I think their is no business that give these type of profits. So, invest in Bitcoin it can make you millionaire.

Actually, if you got it right, you can indeed get a lot of profits when it comes to bitcoin. However, if you are a person who wants an assurance no matter what the market we are in, and if you can afford to, you will also venture the real estate. It is a tangible asset that it can't disappear overnight. Whereas, when you are in bitcoin or crypto, you are always hoping that the market will be good and not crashed when you need to cash out.

To get security, of course dividing money into many types of investments is a wise thing, right now I invest in stocks and property, we just set which portion is bigger, for now I make bitcoin the largest portion compared to others, this is because investing in bitcoin has proven to be more profitable even when property is down.

Owning real estate and owning bitcoins are two very different things. With bitcoins we have an asset that will likely rise in the future and can make us profits in the form of selling them again, but there is no monthly rent we can collect. With a property that is rented out we are getting money each month, but also need to pay some bills. The chance of appreciation in the property market is not guaranteed and depends heavily on the location. In both assets there are risk involved, for example there could be damages in the property and we need to renovate it. This could ruin our profit for many years.
Most of us here on the forum agree that owning a mix of real estate and cryptos is the best approach. If we already have a property in the family that is paid for and we just need to manage it than of course keep it. But let's say we only have 20,000 USD to spare right now. For this money we could make a decent investment in the crypto market, but we will not get any real estate for that money. Only with large amounts of debt we could afford to buy something, which is very risky in my opinion. I prefer bitcoins to real estate.

Bitcoin is still a high-risk investment. The large portion on Bitcoin I think is not the right thing because basically the price of Bitcoin is volatile and hard to predict. Investing in the property business is even more promising.

Everyone has their own preferences so it all comes back to the person,
cryptocurrency especially Bitcoin is very risky but we can also generate high profits too,
What is clear is that investing in real estate or Bitcoin has its own advantages and disadvantages

It's true, apart from securing one of the two, this is also beneficial in the long run because we know bitcoin won't work for just a day or two, but it will take quite a while.
On the other hand, property also takes a lot of time to produce.
In fact, both types of investment are profitable and it really depends on which direction you want to lean.

i dont know if real estate depend on what you said, but thry still have people who need as time go by.
im sure if real estate still make profit, and never compare how much profit between the other thing, because they have different market. for bitcoiner, crypto is good than other, and vice versa. and when the market drop because of bitcoin, im sure they will sell and buy bitcoin as much as he can, and the fact they still stand, and never lose.

everyone must have a different view on this issue, although investing in bitcoin is high risk but investing in bitcoin also has a very large return. of course you can see for yourself how the price of bitcoin increases very quickly when in a positive trend, even the price can go up to $ 5k - $ 10k in a day. for this reason why many people are willing to take a big risk when investing in bitcoin.

if you are a person who wants an assurance of every investment you placed into, you can always set aside for real estate investments aside from crypto investments. better not put all your eggs in one basket, right?
investors need to diversify in order to lessen losses, if in case one or two of his ventures lose along the way.
this concept is not new, been practiced by many to keep afloat in terms of unexpected situations or crises.

It's safer not to put all eggs in one basket. Cryptocurrency investment is too risky but it's ROI is sometimes very rewarding so to avoid losing out spreading ones investment between both is better other than investing totally in crypto. One can still invest in stocks as well and other centralized portfolios

Before you are start to invest should study about your investment choice and  analyse it's pros and cons. Then only anyone could choose better investment option.

The risk factors are there in both but real estate is less risk and long term stability as compare to bitcoin , is less stable and high risk.
Real estate is long registration process and can't buy or sell immediately. Easy to invest in bitcoin just a click.
Growth is low in real estate as compare to other investment options. Return from bitcoin is very high as compare to any other investment.
In real estate we need huge investment but with a minimum amount we can invest in bitcoin.
In every investment option has their own risk factors so choose wisely.

In regards to the bolded parts of your post, anyone who is concerned about risk should be experienced enough to know how to manage risk. You could drastically reduce risk by not investing what you can't afford to lose, by investing longterm and you can still be profitable assuming it keeps improving. If Bitcoin investors are mostly long-term investors like we have in real estate, (with Bitcoin having a self-sustaining economy) the occasional extreme price volatility which people consider high risk will be moderated. Imagine if people are selling homes for short-term profits or almost immediately they buy them, that will likely create that kind of price volatility

I have no experience in real estate investing and may not be interested in jumping into that investment option for a while. Bitcoin and real estate are two profitable investments but I prefer bitcoin investing because I don't have to compete with other investors for profit. Be sure to buy and hold, it's that easy but obviously with high risk without much knowledge to secure asset.

This is great advice for long-term investors, but you may forget that you shouldn't hold it on the exchange either. This will never be a good choice for any investor.

That's the golden rule when investing, never to put everything in one basket.

but there are investors who know how to take care of the risk who are willing to take these ventures.
 
Not many though, as the risk is too much if you can't control yourself, passive income with real state

is a good option if you want can wait for long, while with bitcoin, the movement can be on both ends,

quick profits or long-term to maximize the benefits that you can earn from this investment.

Talking of real estate is competently depends on where are you actually live and your government policies regarding to the real estate. In some countries the government will take people a huge amount of tax for holding any kind of real estate other than their own home. If you don't have such tax problems in your country, buying real estate, maybe an apartment and renting it can be pretty good. In the other side of story, you will need much more money to invest on real estate and government can always track all your funds.

Real estate investment need big money, and now i just work in office with salary around $600 per month and it's hard for me to invest real estate, best investment for me right now is crypto because i usually invest around $50 per month to buy long term prospect coin.

Its really true that bitcoin can make you a huge profit when the property is on down .I think both is risky to gain the profit .It is more secured to invest on property but we can certainly get profit from btc if market on good position .If something occurred badly and market goes down but it has the potentiality to recover quickly .So on that occasion it is better to invest on btc and crypto .It can give you a huge return shortly and also for long term if you have enough patient .So that i always prefer to invest on btc .

Investing on properties could give you a passive profit and you will not worry about your future if you have many real estate properties which generate an income to you and I don't see any case that this industry goes down and the fact is the downfall is always go with bitcoins so if you think you are more secured on bitcoin then I can say your wrong since we cannot guarantee passive profits especially if the only thing we do is to trade.

If you are looking at these as investments then cryptocurrency is no where comparable with real estate because if we look at the last 10 years growth of cryptocurrencies vs real estate then it will be 10000:1 but both are having different usability and will suit for different investors. Even though I am supporting the cryptocurrency investment still I won't left the real estate because diversing our portfolio is important and it will help us in different situations.

Besides bitcoin, I think can be a viable option too. Real estate drops is actually a big opportunity especially if you have all the money to be able to buy them since they're probably at a low price right now so you can probably get some land that's much cheaper. Real estate may not look good right now but it's a really good long-term investment since real estate is guaranteed to appreciate overtime.

Well to make your money not asleep with real estate find some ways to create money even if the one you bought is a land only, try to post it as for rent for sure many people will rent your property if your land is located at strategic area also you can build an apartment on the lot you bought and seek for renter from that it can give you passive profit forever so for this things then we can say that investmwnt on real estate is really good.

Real estate investment in my opinion is very good even though it only has vacant land and can be used to make money, in my area many rent vacant land for business or use it as a place to eat and sell anything just by using a tent, paid monthly or annually, passive profits can obtained easily depending on you can take advantage of the land you own by placing an ad on your land location and also promoting it on social media that you are renting out vacant land.
and in my area many are like that with the reason they don't want to sell it, because they know land is a very promising investment because every year the price goes up, so as long as the land is vacant they rent it out for their income.

They might be declining, but they are still high and I doubt they will fall down to a point where it wouldn't be a good investment. The thing is, I don't see BTC is competing with real estate when it comes to investing. They both offer solid options depending on what your goals are. An to be fair, real estate has one up on BTC investing as you can use it for some time and not lose much on it, so that is a big factor for some people.

That's right, that's why land in strategic areas is very expensive and if we own it, it must be used to make a profit.
investing in real estate today is still very profitable but it comes back to how the owners manage it

Maybe it is a cultural thing but around where I live having real estate is basically keys to living forever without ever needing money. Not the real estate that you live in, the one that you end up living in means nothing, sure you do not pay rent but you still have a lot to pay for.

However if you own your own home, and then you own another home or a shop that you can rent to others, that literally means that you will not have to work again. It is better if you work, that way you will have a salary AND a rent income, but at least you have a base that you do not have to worry about being unemployed.

If you could save all that rent, in 5 years you could save enough and get a loan on top of it and buy your third house (one for yourself at the start) and then 2 rents could pay for 1 loan of half of the house. Then you just grow it and have as much as you can. Obviously this is only if everything goes right, and we all know life is not like that. So I love real estate, I do not have any unfortunately, but I would love to have one in the future.

Investing in real estate needs a huge amount of capital which is only rich people can afford this but in Bitcoin, we can make use of small funds which even poor people could still afford to risk a few bucks out from their budget. But if I have enough capital, I'd rather choose Real estate for long-term investment as this never happens that it losses its value instead, it is growing yearly (and less risk). While investing in crypto is the 2nd option, can be very profitable in the short term especially when you are in perfect timing.

Anyways, they are both good investments OP. It is just matter of how we manage our chosen investment and have to choose where you feel you are good at.

both are good investment tools, but have different characteristics. if I have a lot of money, then I will choose both to invest, but indeed most of the capital I will put in real estate, because for me there is less risk and prices will definitely go up every time. different from bitcoin which has fluctuations, but can generate fantastic profits

You make an excellent point; bitcoin carries a higher risk, but it also carries a higher reward. Real estate is good if you want to be safe, but if I had enough money, I think I would invest half of it in bitcoin because it has a high return but also a higher risk, though if I lose that much money, I still have real estate to fall back on, so it is better to invest in bitcoin now than regret later. Just buying a few bitcoin is sufficient. Also, don't put all of your eggs in one basket so that you can still make a profit if something goes wrong.

Investing on bitcoin is more profitable than investing on real estate because of the damages covid-19 virus has caused to real estate business. During the pandemic real estate business reduced by the spreading of covid-19 virus that was killing people all over the world. Many was afraid to leave their home to their working place to monitor the activities of the day.
Now that the price of real estate is trying to improve in this new month, i think it will help many investors to achieve something good from their investment. Those real estate investors will soon achieve suitable profit from their investment, since the government are ready to print more money to support real estate investors in the community.
 

I think the price of 1 real estate varies in price which sometimes,  looks at the condition of the land and the area in the surrounding environment.
You need to research the location and environment of the local people because this is a supporting factor.
different from bitcoin which has a limited stock so the price sometimes goes up and down like the current real estat, but it is undeniable that the value of bitcoin is very expensive today

I prefer investing in Bitcoin rather than in real estate. There are some reasons for it. First of all, buying real estates requires more time and energy. You have to attend your property while in terms of Bitcoin, you just buy it and store then on your wallet. Bitcoin is more liquid which means that it can be sold easier and faster than real estate.

I don't think that the real estate are declining, it may decline depends on the place wether if it's urban or rural or it may vary to some countries but surely here in our country the real estate aren't declining.
Bitcoin and real estate do have some similarities like it can be used as an investment and can guard you against inflation especially in our times. But for my opinion, I prefer to invest most in bitcoin for various reasons like I can work at my place or wherever I wanted to, and the time and effort doesn't concern me much whereas real estate, it needs time and effort to visit places to allow personal details on selling it. But both can be worked online but I prefer more bitcoin.

By what means or certain reasons that you can say that governments are digging their own graves? Actually, I oppose that idea. Governments are actually giving their own best aside from their own interests to give its citizen almost hassle-free economy. If only they can approve bitcoin bill as a legal tender in every country, sure they will. But we both know that it'll undergo some senate hearings first to study the pros and cons before approving such bill.
There is nothing wrong at printing fiats because it's more handy rather than bringing a whole bar and break a bit to pay for groceries. And loanable funds is there help people who are short in money and badly need of cash, depends how they use it also why they loan.

That's one way of earning from real estate, I specially like the idea of leasing the land or building an apartment. It helps you keep the land and at the same time make you some money out of it because they're using your land, the only problem with those two specially the second one is that you're going to be needing lots of money and it's a hefty investment in my opinion.

I find your reasoning odd for not choosing real estate when in fact that you can choose both of them. If you haven't owned any property or if you've got but too exhausted with the process, that's very normal. Although it's odd to me, I've been into real estate and also find those processes exhausting and taking too much time of mine but I cannot do anything with it unless I'm stopping to buy it. Just take both of them and you'll live your life with the best assets.

In my country real estate is difficult to develop even many companies are losing money, this is because the public's interest and purchasing ability for real estate has decreased due to the pandemic, I think the best investment right now is cryptocurrencies because you can start with small money, even if you have good knowledge it can be daily trading and can profit up to hundreds of percent.

I agree with this statement, real estate investment not only leaves you a good way to have the money and to get fat as time goes by, it is what can be called a safe asset, because even in countries Like Cuba, a property is well valued and has high prices, although the BTC at the moment that is above $ 60k is an excellent investment, we cannot underestimate that it can fall to $ 20k or even less, everything is allowed in crypto Even the BTC market can take the turn that everyone expects and continue to grow, becoming a greater fortune, this means that diversification with both is a very good option.

Real estate is appreciating mostly, most of the time while bitcoin is very volatile. The valuation of real estate also depends to the market where you're living.
But as usual, they're really quite expensive and at least, you can have your home whenever you want to stay there. It's just better to have a real estate and at the same time hold bitcoin. It's a combination of the best assets in the world that you can ever have.

If you are an individual who wants an assurance of their investments, you can opt for both - real estate and crypto (bitcoin). They have pros and cons, and consider the advantages if you can get a hold of both. Real estate once you purchased, will always be there, and usually, its price is going up in most countries and you can see it with your own eyes. Whereas, when it comes to btc, you have no assurance as its market is very volatile and it depends on how you manage it to take advantage of its volatility factor.

im my side real estate is stronger compared to bitcoin but i'm not saying that bitcoin will lose just compare it and in my opinion because of the big supply in the market and its weaker demand so real estate is just cheaper compared  than its investment assets.  Bitcoin is different because it’s a currency and sometimes it changes, I don’t want to compare these two great assets because they both have potentially at all.