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instead of money we should have vouchers to buy everything from the shops goods foods

and everybody will get eqaul ammount of them the vouchers



its good idea?   

So you're suggesting an extreme communistic society, which is entirely controlled by a central authority, while the citizens are giving resources uniformly with no consideration for their different needs or productivity levels?
Such a society is not viable, neither would it be sustainable. As humans we are inherently different and have different gifts, abilities and occupations, grouping everyone into a uniform voucher would limit growth as there is no reward for hard work or excellence.
There is also the hazard of giving full authority to an individual or government, which would breed corruption.

Not such a good idea, imo. If money is the root of evil, giving the responsibility of handling and distributing it to someone else would not solve the problem.

How can those vouchers be generated? Money isn't the root of evil, it is the love of money that is. Imagine a society where there is no competition, no reward for labour and how can they be fair judgement when it comes to choice, want and needs?

Calling those paper coupons "vouchers" instead of Euros or Dollars does not stop them from being money.

Also would this mean that all goods and services are offered by the state? Because unless the state takes those vouchers out of circulation when spent in the (state-run)market, some people will start accumulating them as they sell more popular goods or offer more popular services than others.

The state Can make all the equal life to everyone.

If the rulers of the state are honest themselfes and Don't steal!

Like people will receive "equal" amount for them to buy food and other goods? What can you say for the ones making all those goods? Would you think that it will be equal for them? Like people who create and process foods will just receive vouchers in exchange for the things they created for you. I don't think that's a good idea. In this way I think corruption will be a thing that people will always try to take advantage of a system where people's lives will depend on vouchers. This won't really improve the world we have now tbh.

It's going to be the same thing as money. Nothing is changed by replacing money with vouchers but sooner you will also say voucher is the root of all evil.
Money is all been around since the dawn of time. If we wanna erase money the system has to be changed and provide all to everyone like free electricity, water, and food because with all these, people wouldn't be forced to toil.

Good idea for lazy people, who want to receive "vouchers" and money without working.

The lack of incentives to be productive is a big problem in those socialist/communist societies. They all failed due to lack of innovation and very low productivity.

Human beings need good incentives to work, innovate and be productive.

A society which  does not incentive innovations is doomed.

Actually is just an object created by humans to be able to have a system of payment just like the old times. If you were saying that money is the root of evil, then I guess you must be blaming people for creating such evil for humans have created this thing. On the other hand, money is not really the root of the evil. It is the toxicity being build up on the minds of people using money. The wants of obtaining too many money make people become greedy which results for them to make such actions that are inhumane on which they will lure or fool other people and do illegal activities for the sake of acquiring money for their own greater good. Money is just an object being used but the act of people is really what is the evil thing that have existed because of their state of mind that they have.

Its a good idea but it cannot be possible because it only teaches the community to be just passive, non-productive and rewardless. I agree that Money is the root of all evil deeds, but Money really makes the whole world round and we must admit that we really need money to eat and move forward in life, it's the #1 above all necessities.

I thought you are studying economics haha lol the voucher you are saying, I mean your suggestion as means of buying goods is also a money. You are just going to replace fiat currency with vouchers as if it is not pegged 1:1 to a currency. People will work for that 'voucher' like fiat money, people will run after it like fiat money, people will die for it like fiat money. We can achieve perfect equality in the society, in any aspects that's for sure.

no fiat currency will still exist but nobody is not allowed to have fiat currency you can weight the value against fiat currency but there is no money on hands.

nobody will not have money only there is money value.



so you want 100$ voucher thats fine but money not existing only vouchers wich will be buying product and vouchers as domestic services lets say you wan to pay for hookers then you do so with domestic service vouchers so those vouchers have money value but you can not use them on shops or other then just domestic service it can also means that can be swapped with each others. offcourse you can change the voucher to shop and food ones.

and if you want something more then others you do just one merit and you get rewarded.


the whole process and transparency is run by blockchain techoninolgy  so there is no cheating and whole algorytm is created for whole system and once the algorymt is created the key to access this will be destoryed on eyes the witnessses so everybody will its fair deal.

I think the root of all evils is definitely the greed of people towards money. Even if money won't be available anymore and will be replace by vouchers, the system would still be the same unless people would learn not to be greed anymore. I believe also if these basic things in life for survival would come out free, then money or vouchers would not be a big issue but i guess this is too far to be true.

Human nature is the root of evil, money is just a representation of everything of value. If money didn't exist, humans would still desire to have more than they do.  This greed is not because of money, money is just one way to measure it.  Greed for objects we don't already have is human nature.  Vouchers are just a substitute for money in this case.  And centralizing the authority to distribute money/vouchers would create far more destructive tendencies and trying to keep everyone equal would require suppression of the masses. 

No, it's not a good idea.

You just can't do that in a free country. Because there will be people who will be subjective into that implementation.

Whether you have good intentions with this but there are certain implications that it can give. It will still be the same and nothing will change as mentioned by heretik.

If designing a program to eliminate money from food production industry were the goal.

• Governments cede land towards the purpose of growing crops
• Homeless populations are given the option of farming and growing food on said land on a volunteer basis in exchange for benefits: room, board, food, job training, education, internet access, transportation, etc
• The growth and production of food is overseen and regulated by professionals on a volunteer basis
• The public is allowed to procure a limited number of food items at no charge, or significantly reduced cost

There is much that can be learned by growing fruits and vegetables. Communal gardens and community based farming programs could also be great options.

Now here you can't just blame a medium for humans being humans. The root of evil is Greed, not money. Imagine if we did as you said, used food vouchers, with greed it'd basically be the same issue with money. Equal amount? Equality then? I'm pretty sure the government is already doing such things, albeit skewed a bit, but nonetheless, I'm pretty sure most of us experience equality with financial support. Blaming money for being evil, is basically like blaming a knife for killing someone, sounds stupid right? That's how you sound. Also if we were just to tackle food issues, it'd be a lot better if a central government were to handle everything, mostly on how they should distribute food equally on every family without any bias.

Mediums aren't evil, humans are, one way or another. If you really wanted to collapse the root of evil, your first step should honestly be the eradication of the entire human population. Equality isn't really a thing that could be fulfilled all the time, so if you're on to that, it's better to ask for justice instead of equality or equity, though with corrupt people filling up the higher-ups, I doubt it's going to happen that much.

The voucher is just temporary.

You can't stop people buying with the use of the money because their main objective is to use this without hassle for just the main payment.

You cannot blame them because still most of our transactions are with the use of the cash also with a salary so they can't have any choice is to use the physical money.

Also, we are heading towards right now to make into all-digital payment so expect this we can use the physical money or with the online payment.

Money cannot be the root of evil it will usually depend on us nothing can be done without money but there is no need for vouchers. If it has the right steps it is possible to buy everything with money people who consciously create their lives understand that there are no extra pieces to accept that what is happening is for your continued growth and evolution. Learn to greet life with a smile instead of fighting with extra energy use your strength to attract rather than resist.

And also voucher will just reduce the convenience of buying things because imagine you have a voucher for food and you want to buy an appliance and also voucher will almost be the same with money, so money or voucher, it is still the root of all evil because money takes out the bad side of us, it takes out our greediness so what ever the form is, the fact that it can make you acquire things that you want it is still money.

So, the communism then?
Its controversial as much as current capitalistic system, the problem is - we as people are not ready to feel equal with everyone else neither we are 100% about being competitive.
Its the golden middle, its somewhere in between, we're just on the way to figure things out.
Human's culture is too young to decide what is the best way

Greed, Not money is the root of evil.

Money if anything is a godsend because of its ability to unite people in its pursuit. Money is what enabled exchange of goods and services. People everywhere may not agree on much else but they will still agree on money if you don't consider the fanatics.

Money is one of the greatest inventions of mankind and Satoshi removed all its limitations by making it decentralized when he announced bitcoin. It is upto people now to choose and do the right thing

I don't think money is the root of evil. It will depend on how people will use that money because if people can use money properly and it's right, I think money will help them have what they want. I like to have a voucher, but it doesn't mean that I want to use a voucher to buy what I want because I still need money to buy other things. Not all items or products can be purchased using a voucher because if you go to the local market, there will be many local sellers who still use money as the payment.

The vouchers are still money, it's still a manifestation of value, just by a different name.
If you're suggesting that controls be put in place to decide what the vouchers can be spent on, then you're just going to create a huge black market economy and with it massive exploitation of the poor and vulnerable, which would undermine your point about everyone getting an equal amount.

An example to consider here would be the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the privatisation-by-voucher of state utilities and other enterprises. The aim was that everyone got a fair share. The outcome was very different, and led to the rise of the oligarchs, and a dramatic concentration of wealth and power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization_in_Russia

I guess, money is not root of evil, just that we human being has turned it to evil.
Even though the government change the money to voucher for people to purchase anything of their choice, there are still people who would not still satisfied with the equal amount of the voucher.
For such thing to be accepted in a country,there are many things they will like to change in government,for such plan to stand well, there are some things the government will like to put in  place such as,
 Education, environment, and exchange trading.
Education it will make their leader to be educated not to allow corruption in the society.

What changes the function of money is actually the devil ;D. In the beginning, money was only a lubricant for transactions that functioned as a medium of exchange, not for merchandise or commodities. When there is money demand for speculation, money does not rotate in the real sector, there is no added value that causes the economy to be disturbed. Money must be used and invested because hoarding money is very unproductive because it means reducing the amount of money in circulation. As long as there are markets, banks, and lending practices with interest, the evil circle will continue to rotate and grow.

Money is not the root of evil, it depends on how people use it. If it will use in evil works then not the money but the person who did it is the root of evil doing. You should use your money properly and don't let money control you.

Definitely. It's not the money who is evil, it is the person who has it if it is done with something bad or illegal. Rather than saying money is the root of evil, it is more fit to say that money is the best instrument of an evil.

Hmmm I know satoshi has his intention good for bitcoin, but then people are getting over it and uses bitcoin for bad things lately. We don't know how much bitcoin was used to buy illegal stuffs, we don't know how much bitcoin was stolen, and we don't know the people behind bitcoin. Satoshi didn't removed all the limitations of the money, he added a new feature of it and it seems like partially working in the real world.

Yes its the best idea I think I've ever heard in my life.  I mean we have no history of what works and what doesn't when it comes to the structure of a countries government.  I think everyone getting an equal share of everything would work great, no issues could possibly arise then.  I think I would create something like this now come to think of it...I will probably call it Marxism. 

Money is not the root of evil, humans are.  Lack of education and empathy are the root of evil. Poor parenting is to blame for much of societal downfall.  Do yourself a favor and read Freakonomics and Think Like a Freak..all this info is out there.

You know what they say, money makes the world go around!

We as society are not ready for a world without money. World without money suggests some form of socialism, where people get benefits despite how much they contribute to the economy. Money is merely a tool to determine how much good did a person do to society and how much privilege should that person take. Of course, we're not living in a perfect world, and a lot of time that proportion is incorrect but still it's the best system we have for the moment.

The problem with these debates is too many people think it has to be one way or the other...it doesn't.  Fuck no a communist/marxist society is not a good idea and it's proven to be a failed economic system.  But that doesn't mean some forms of "socialism" aren't good.  If people didn't have to worry about healthcare , for example, then they could focus on improving their lives in other ways.  In the United States it's one of the biggest issues we face ..countless Americans each and every year lose everything due to lack of proper healthcare assistance.  I spend so much money every single year on Drs and Dentists it's not even funny and I have insurance from a Fortune 100 company. If we didn't blow so much money on the military we could vastly improve our healthcare system, which would lead to more money in peoples pockets and the potential for a better life. 

It's the same thing as with politics, there should be a middle ground.. that always works best, but due to greed and ignorance it's not normally the path taken.   

Vouchers are still the same thing like money. They are still acting valuable at the same time and intended to be spent like what you are doing with money. So where is the sense of instead using money just used up vouchers for you are like saying money is the root of evil. Maybe you are a little bit confused or certain things are not the clear in your mind. Money is not the root of evil because the way how people think is what the true evil is. It is all due to toxicity and greed building up into a certain people's mind making them to illegal activities just to obtain everything for the sake of money. Remember that people are the ones who invented and created the concept and idea of this payment system so do not bother pin pointing money to be the root of evil when at the first place the wants of people to have something valuable to be owned makes the existence of money to come into reality. The deal is that the way people's mind is working makes evil things so do not blame it into other stuff because it was all in the human's mind.

Well, in my country we have a free medicine, but it comes as a social security that you obligated to pay for from your official income.
The quality of that medicine is debatable. Personally I only rarely see dentists, as for the rest I just medicate myself. Of course being somewhat young helps.

I was discussing this problem with my German friend, and I think part of the problem is that every healthcare worker is obligated to have an expensive education, certificates and same goes for the hospitals. It's not a problem in itself, but I think it's absurd that even low qualified medical personnel who do physical work i.e. clean/change bed linen/carry patients have to meet these criteria as well.

There's a lot of unemployed people in USA, I figure some of them could easily work on some low qualified positions in medical industry.

Still, the market decides with the supply and demand, the thing is that lately and especially this year, the demand is very high.
And older people in USA have a high supply of money.

Voucher or money there is no difference in it if it has the capability to buy the things what we wanted, and how we can earn those vouchers? Just print and give it to everyone who needs money! Then it will put the country in hyper inflation and really not possible for them to survive.

Polo7 you created many topics in recent weeks, I can't remember when I saw your first thread but most of them looks the same. In many of them you sound confused, and I must say it's not better this time either. I don't understand you, to be honest with that part, I don't understand what you wish to achieve! You start something without clear goal, you answer first comments and you just disappear from topic... to me that looks like you don't know what you exactly want.
Money in any form (read that carefully "any form") is just a tool. In the end of the day tool can never be guilty of anything, people who use it for bad things are guilty. From all the things you said I can agree with one, blockchain can ensure some trust we lost along the way, it can help with creating more transparent world and I strongly believe that more transparent world can lead all of us to better times.