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the all the covid 19 all the restrictions will be eased quickly and fast if the goverments people banks and countries will take huge loans!


until the goverment and countries and people not taking loan the restricitons will go even harder !

if there will be not big enough taking loans it means not enought created money there will be second wave and then all economy will be so bad that everybody will take loans what is ready.
the problem is mafia want to give money but no takers ,once the ammount of money is taken the covid will be fogotten until 2030 when 10 years economic circle will be over.


so faster we agree to take new money the faster we can get in to normal life!

i agree we should take money fast as possible i want to live normal life our goverments dont do enought they should all loan a lot money from IMF.

the whole process to turn in to normal is slow couse of lack of taking money from IMF.
if the money taking ammount will be not full filled there will be more restrictions until we take money !!

Governments can't just take money loans or print more money, if they do the first they have to get the loan from the IMF and once they have the loan, if they fail to jumpstart their economies they will be unable to repay the debt they took and it will wreck their credit score.

If they opt for the second, their currency will be devalued which will make prices expensive for everybody, and they still won't have more money in the system, because it's worth just as much as the the old amount and valuation of money they had before. It could even be worth less than that.

Plus, there will still be social distancing restrictions, which can't be solved by having more money.

The individual loans will be very important at this time:

See banks have a limit , one cannot just take infinite loans from them , there will be a time that they will run out of the loans and therefore there will be restrictions for sure. As far as Fed is concerned , yes they are giving people a really good interest rates but then again people will have to repay , I have heard their rates are going to be closer to 0%.

I believe that government shouldn't stop people from taking loans but they should ensure that they will be paid by giving them jobs.

Governmental loans can prove to be catastrophic.
At the same time when we talk about the government taking loans and such we have to think about the countries which are still unaffected , those countries will emerge as a powerful option for the worst hit nations.

What we are facing right now is Pandemic , there cannot be any rules laid down , plus government needs to be equipped to handle such circumstances for sure.

What you are suggesting OP has been the basic response to any crisis during the last 50 years, as soon as there is a crisis governments take loans and print money and try to solve it that way, but they are only kicking the can and trying to avoid the whole thing crashes down when they are the ones in charge, and it seems we are finally getting close to the limits of that practice, most governments around the world are heavily indebted and if anything it is a surprise the economy has not crashed yet.

This seems to give them confidence they can keep the same practices forever but everything has limits and I am sure we will find out those limits during the next decades and if that happens I can assure you the coronavirus crisis we are facing will seem small compared to what is coming.

Where does the new money come from? Does the printer do brrr? Well, great, according to this scheme, then maybe there will be just tons of tons of new money, and so what? What is the point of this artificial inflating of the already inflated to the limit of the Fiat bubble? A loan for a loan to pay off another loan to "live normally" is a very strange way out, don't you think?

your duty is to get your hands on money as much is possible becouse of new money the stock market eequityies and crypto are the most beneficial.


benefit of this as much is possible becouse after 10 years party is over and someone need to clean up the mess :)

If the government takes a loan, well, it is indeed good for the welfare of its people who are underprivileged and will come out of the normal phase of life, but is there no bad impact on the current economy? I can't stop thinking if this is done making money, not everything, there will be waves that don't apply if you continue to make money without control, the government has the consequences to take this action so I think Covid-19 can still be overcome even by means of long time and the government loan from the IMF will have a bad impact in the future.

What makes you think that if people doesn’t take loans there will continue be restrictions? In my country they are already easing the lockdown and lifting ban on airports, to start operating again. Any government that doesn’t lift their restrictions right now is just hurting their economy, because they will be the ones that are losing and their economy will be crippled badly, their own choice.

I don’t know what you mean by a second wave, a second wave of Covid-19 is even more likely without restrictions, and restrictions nothing to do with loans , but with covid, but the government has no choice. And moreover I will advise you to be careful with loans so that you end up taking loans you can’t afford to pay back and regret later. If you think that being in debt is what will help you live a normal life, then that’s your biz.

you just dont know i see and nothing else to add you either are economy person or not.

In my country the phenomenon is different, the government has printed money and provided liquidity assistance to commercial banks, for banks to redistribute it to customers or credit recipients. But it turned out that not many banks took it because the bank currently does not want to spend the money out of the bank, due to high risk factors.

So the government's quantitative easing offer, which was willing to disburse money by banks, was postponed due to bank caution.

local banks dont make a rules if they dont play along with the rules world elite central bankers will tell them if they dont give moeny what suppousto be given the central bankers can even close their banks.

Yes, taking loan is not the only solution to get back to our feet. If you can find even odd jobs, go for it. But don't rely solely in taking loans. Because you need to assess also yourself on how to pay for that loan. Better live for what you can afford today than live with debts all around you.

Covid19 won't just be gone even if a government asks for a gazillions of loans for their fight. As long as there's no vaccine, it shall remain regardless how much loan that they take.

The stimulus checks and other support from the government is actually their job to do and response to help their affected citizens due to the lockdowns. Why not go to your local government and suggest what you think?

Its not about what local government want or really need!! 
Its all what the Central authority want and see how things should be Running over the World.


The ones who controls money supply runs a show! 
World is business just and business ultimate purpose is to earn profit to business owners.


Nothing much to add here!

Who's the central authority? each country have their different types of governance and mostly, we address the central authority as the government themselves.

Yes, nothing to add anymore. It's just going to be a long argument with exchange of different points of view.

The more money - the more inflation so-and-so. What difference does it make to me if a loaf of bread costs $5 for 2K/month income or$ 10 for 4K/month income? There is more money and prices will adjust to this money supply. There is no difference how much money you have if everything around you in % ratio costs the same as before. And it doesn't do any good either.

I already repeatedly have ideas to store all my savings in cryptocurrency, since I cannot be sure of the national currency, especially after the government constantly takes loans and at the same time the IMF approves a new budget with a shortage of about $ 500 million. And you also need to take into account that this problem will be transferred to the budget next year, and neither the IMF nor other countries will give such a loan. The money earned is not enough not only for utilities, but also for groceries, and I'm not talking about clothes.

In my country, the rules for using credit cards are also lightened from payments, fines and interest. This is so that the recession in my country is not too severe.

This is why taxes vary depends on the country, because the cost of everything depends on what standards they have on their country. Here in my country, we are paying a low tax, have our goods in low price but the wage is also small, just as proportion as other nations are. Money printing should be align to the reserve, country's worth in all aspect to avoid hyper inflation.

Ever wonder why retired military usually resides in less civilized places? or in third world country? coz there, they are rich.

^ Definitely right, my question is when we will wait until the vaccine will release?
On these kind of situation, economic loan isn't the best thing to get. If the government hand a loan to their people, there are chances that the national economy will collapse. Why? They had to print more legal tenders/fiat just to release it to the people.  And each print hurts the economy. However, in my country government has always a reserve fund for any dessaster will come, its calamity fund which is always ready at all time.

As for me - to save savings from inflation it is better to keep them in more traditional things. I really like gold fore this not only because it automatically adjust its price for inflation, but it itself has a rather exceptional property of eternal growth in our world. Gold, even if it falls in price (which is extremely rare), very quickly returns back and continues to grow.
I prefer to use cryptocurrencies for less long-term storage and more for a method of passive earnings. But gold can be called the key to a good life in old age, for example. More reliable than real estate.

I do not dispute that taxes can be used to remove the "extra weight" of money from the economy, thereby keeping inflationary processes in check and avoiding the accumulation of a critical mass of money. But many places, unfortunately, they are not used for this purpose - and people just pay 40-60% of taxes on their income and in return receive only a deterioration of the surrounding conditions within the state (Hello benefits for illegal migrants and absolutely useless programs for integrating all sorts of Arabs into society).
I am very sad that I can't choose where my taxes should go. if I had a choice, it would be much more pleasant for me to pay them knowing that they will go to the development of urban infrastructure, space programs or nuclear energy, and not for the lunch of another Shamil who will kill someone in the doorway tomorrow.

In this uncertain pandemic condition, many people are worried about the investment that will be made.  they choose what is the best and safest investment for now. 

for gold investment which as you say can be an option and gold is indeed one of the "Safe Haven" assets.  but gold has experienced a significant increase in 2020 due to unstable world economic conditions and tends to fluctuate. 

investing in gold is very suitable to protect the value of wealth and that's fine.  investing in gold also has to think about the type of gold investment chosen, if physical gold investment must use a storage deposit box to be safe and for digital gold investment without physicality you have to choose a good gold investment and have clear regulations, so that it will remain safe. 

digital gold investment in cryptocurrency nowadays is also possible, one of the platforms that I like and have followed until now is DIGITAL GOLD which is 100% Liquid Stablecoin backed by gold.
https://gold.storage/

Who said that the government is waiting for people to take loans? A lot of countries right now are rushing to ease the lockdown and let people go back to work because the economy is being hit pretty bad.

Also between if everyone takes loan, do you think it’s all of them that will pay back? Most of them will get into debt that they wouldn’t be able to get out from future. Taking loan, sometimes, is not advisable unless you have plans on how you’re going to invest that money and you’re hundred per cent sure that there is going to be a huge return from it to be enough pay back the loan and interest.

As if the virus will just vanish if governments will take a huge loan. In fact, some countries are already in great debt because of the pandemic, even my country yet I still see no improvement with the pandemic so I don't see this as the solution to the problem. When a government takes a loan, it does not mean all of it will be allocated to end the pandemic because it's not that easy so what made you think that? Countries are already suffering from the pandemic, taking a huge loan will just make it even harder for their economy.

Exactly there are limits to what it can be accomplished with money, a vaccine takes time and regardless of the amount of money you invest that is not going to make it come out faster, if anything the only reason we are going to have a vaccine so soon is because pharmaceutical companies are probably skipping a few steps when it comes to testing their vaccine and I hope that does not come back to haunt us during the next months when vaccines begin to become applied all over the world.

As such while one of the most common responses governments have to almost any problem is to print money and throw it at it to try to resolve it the majority of the problems of the world cannot be fixed that way.

Very well said. In my Country here, we only have limited resources because we are a poor Country in Asia. But, despite this, our Government really did their best just to give aid to everyone. They even lent money from the world bank to have an additional budget for the people's assistance. And yes, they are also offering loans to small businessmen that was being affected. However, these arent enough to solve the real problems that we are facing now. The Cure, the most awaited vaccine is the only solution to end this crisis.

So you want to say all these restricts and the virus is spreading (and was created) because the country isn't taking loans? Lol what? Now that is a whole new conspiracy theory I am hearing today. You want the government to be more in debt? What if they can't pay back?
And the "Mafia" trying to lend money to the government (not sure if this is even true lol) money is just because for their own interest. Lending the government money would be the easiest way for them to launder money. I doubt any government (expect those that are extremely corrupted) would want to take money from some "mafia" (lol).

Money loans are not the best solution to recovering the economy, and the government must think about the impact if it takes
a loan from the IMF. We all want the economy to normalize as soon as possible, but money loans or printing money have a bad
impact in the future. As we all know that the loan interest from the IMF is quite large, if the government fails to take advantage
of money loans it can become a state debt. And the citizens will bearing it, the possibility of taxes being raised is quite high.
So I don't agree to solve economic problems with money loans, the government must find other ways to solve economic problems.

Economic loans will not be effective in developing new mone it is not possible to take a loan from the government in case the whole world is suffering due to the epidemic. Nothing can be controlled when the economy is disrupted every fund of the government is obstructed. Only vaccines can prevent this epidemic and improve the economy in the midst of an epidemic economic loans will make the world a more difficult place.

For individuals to collect loan it will not solve the problem of the economy in this pandemic. Covid-19 has cause so many death in the life of the humanity that make the government to pronnounce lockdown in everywhere to find solution to covid-19,which no companies or businesses is walking right now because of the corona virus that is killing people over the world.
I think if the government can collect loan to end covid-19 so that their economy will start improving in every area of the land. And individuals can start improving their businesses and other things.

Do we really think that loan can solve the covid-19 problem. A loan taken in wrong purpose won't yield any good. If it goes into a corrupt person, I don't see good for it. The second covid-19 era is what the world need to be careful with to give out money or loan because some people or country might feel they didn't get enough free money for themselves and want to see this as an opportunity.

The vaccine is necessary but even that is not going to be enough to solve this crisis, after all once the healthcare crisis is finally resolved whether because the vaccine was effective or we reached community immunity we will still have to deal with the problems left by the pandemic.

Tens of millions of people lost their jobs and they are not going to recover them overnight as many of the businesses in which the worked disappeared, people and governments needed to indebt themselves in order to survive and now they have to pay those loans and if all of that was not enough the rest of the businesses still in pace are looking to automate many jobs which could make the crisis even larger.

I feel you buddy, but it doesn’t work like that. Most of the people take loans when they are having some securities and also banks will ask for that too. Bank won’t be just lending away money based on people’s emotions though. They will surely take mortgages, or some other ways to invest. In the pandemic it’s the fight to have at least daily needs furnished. Taking loans is insane in the current scenario.

With the crisis prolonged and getting worse, I think in the future it looks like even the IMF will not be able to cover the crisis hitting this world that can be easily resolved so still, the recovery will be carried out gradually. Economic loan and other economic cycles will certainly continue, because no one will remain silent to restore this world. I only hope that the country's economy can continue to run by implementing health protocols, because there is no point in continuing to shut themselves up because the vaccine itself still needs more until its launch, so that as time goes on, some economic sectors can at least operate with the enforced health protocol.

Economic loans or stability with regards to financial aspect cannot totally resolve the problem with regards to the pandemic because financial is not the only problem present in here and the main problem is not about money but the sake of health concerns. We cannot just lower down or pull out the health restrictions being set by health professionals as well as the World Health Organization for loans will not matter once many people will get affected again because up until right now the vaccine to cure the virus is still not yet done on its clinical trials among the countries that have already made the vaccines. Not all can be resolved by money or loans for the bigger picture in here is that we are into a health and economic threat. Economy will soon to recover once this pandemic is done but health is just once and it cannot be compromised for we are talking about life and death already.

It can't be properly controlled until the vaccine is out there because the economy suffers banks won't lend much to those that suffer it take a few years for the consequences of the coronavirus on the planet economy to subside. In fact it's not yet clear what percentage people are going to be unemployed we also don't skills many small and medium enterprises are already at a loss therein case it's very difficult to repay the loan.

This will be hard for the banks to lend much money, because they are also just thinking about what else can happen in the world as long as there is still no vaccine against covid-19, we should not be complacent and let us continue to be careful because money is not the only thing that matters at this time. Others take advantage of this situation to make more loans in banks and different sectors who offer loans, and when they get their loan they spend it on things that are not important to buy nowadays.

Nope your wrong with that banks want to offer a loan to the people and actually they create a promotion which lower the interest while there's a pandemic and also this incident is temporary only and if the vaccine will be done successfully for sure people will get back on their lives and they can able to pay their loans back. Many banks grab the situation and this is a best time for them to get a profit.

In my country I find that a lot of banks are still offering loans even though the economy is hit hard by the corona pandemic. The government is injecting a lot of money in the economy, so the banks are keeping the credit lines open. If you have collateral for the loans it's no problem to borrow money. Stopping to hand out new loans would have a terrible effect on the economy because so many companies and individuals rely heavily on borrowing money.

Yes, banks don't think that way,

They think that this situation is best for them to take more clients as they have. Instead of thinking about the future, they create more strategies on how they will make more people having loans to them. This is not about how people will pay by now but they think more about how they will gain in the following years.

Yes true!! 
The year ends They need to give out loans before that as possible.
The many restrictions Will placed until People Will Take loans.

You know what? It's easier said than done.
 Governments will not hastily take some loans from the banks. There are more circumstances that needs to be weigh and find out some solutions for recovering of the economy. They may provide other way to resolve it.
 As for the citizens who were affected by this pandemic, loans are also their one of the answers to their finncial problem. Crisis been experienced  in this pandemic. It's a win-win situation for the banks and the borrower.

There is a friend of mine who lives in that kind of world,He was a Businessman in which the capital comes from a Loaning agency,the problem is He don't know how to manage the income properly so what happens?
he needs to go to another loan company to borrow money to pay the first lender,and this happens in the next and the other one.
Now His business is only running from loans and loans and this is a BS life.
never borrow money to pay the loan because
 you only making the situation harder,better talk to the lender that you will have to cut the interest because you will never grow if
things stay that way.
Anyway I never ask for loan because of this pandemic,i rather shorter my budget than look for loans that i cannot assure how to pay.

taking loans can add another problem but we also need money to fix the problem . we need a capital to make a product that will help us but we dont need huge money for that because we can be creative to make more products  .

we can loan small money so that it will not be hard for us to pay  . for the governments , they dont need a loan because they have ways to collect funds , that funds can came from the tax or personal donation of the people and on other countries .

That is also one of the problem, because of the pandemic the government source of funds such as taxes are reduce and in my country we're now in the 6th month of quarantine and imagine how economic is catching up to the situation, for now the least we can do is to support local products by that we can increase their production level and also taxes will go up even just a little but i'll be honest even in the middle of pandemic corruption is still happening, i mean there are lots of funds thats supposed to be used to fight covid but instead they using it for somethong else or worse its gone without a trace where it is but of course we need to be on track and not be distured by the negativity happening around you, support local products thats the easiest waynfor us to help our economy.

I've avoided taking loans my whole life. I don't want to have to submit reports and kneel before the allmighty bank because of a debt that I cannot repay because they suddenly changed the rules or something happened in my life so that I'm no longer able to pay as much as they want every month. Life is so much easier when you don't have to worry about these things.
I don't agree that the restrictions will be lifterd if we just take loans. Most of these restrictions are not doing anything to stop the virus anyway.

I, too, have the same opinion, because it is better to rely on your capabilities, and not borrow from the bank. But nevertheless, Nobody forces anyone to take a loan from banks in order to then complain about problems with the banking system. In addition, you need to be an idiot to take one amount of funds on credit, and give several times more.  ;)

I think many are treating banks as charities, thinking they can borrow money and never pay it back or that they are going to get their debts forgiven or something, but the truth is that banks are businesses and if they are lending that money is because they are expecting for that loan to be repaid and if it is not then they are going to come for you and your possessions.

It is because of this that I have always been against asking for loans unless it was unavoidable and while many people think my attitude was weird the fact that most of those same people are now without jobs and drowning in debt is finally making them understand my point but at least for them it is too late to do anything about it.

The question here is not even that everyone around lives in loans, leasing and other types of liabilities - but in the scheme "take a loan to pay the loan." That's scheme what gradually kills us and others, not the fact that credit products exist as such.

I will let my government decide what it needs to take, as long as that is for their people. I don't want to take a loan because I don't know if I can repay the money or not. We hope that the economy in all countries can back to normal, but unfortunately, we need to wait for more until the vaccine can be found, and we need to survive to pass these situations. These situations won't stay forever because our scientists are still working hard to find the cure, and every scientist in all countries is racing to help people with the vaccine.

I don't agree that loan money to the IMF is the solution for the government to overcome the economic crisis in the COVID-19 situation like now.
I think borrowing money will only be a problem in the future, especially if the loan money is repaid by borrowing again. This makes the situation
worse, because it will make government trapped in debt and will make financial circulation worse. So economic loans are not the solution to solving
the economic crisis.

Unfortunately that is where we are headed, many countries are either borrowing money or printing it out of nowhere to pay for the costs of the pandemic and while it could be said they are justified in doing this at some point they will have to pay those costs and as we know for the most part those costs end up being passed to the citizens of the country.

This is why I think the recovery we are seeing in the economy is momentary as most likely things will get worse as it becomes painfully obvious that while the rich are earning a lot of money the rest of the population was left with huge debts, no jobs and the impossibility to fix the situation they are in.

If new loans means growth most countries would be better off, just look at most of these developing nations, they are in serious debt but no serious growth because most of these loans was lost to corruption, and countries can't continue to print money out of thin air, look at Zimbabwe for example. The most important thing is a good environment that can help businesses to strive, the forced lock down on people is what actually cause these economic down turn

In the midst of a crisis like this, taking your own money from the bank is sometimes constrained because some banks do not have money stock anymore, and there have been cases in several countries that I have heard of.
This is increasingly being feared because the buffet warren also says not to put your money elsewhere (invest or otherwise).
because the potential for failure is still large.

Actually your are making sense but is not possible for government of a country to give loan  to people in order to relief people from harm covid19 caused, the only thing government can remember is embezzle a country fund's in some others countries, because in my country since existence of Corona viruses no government personality who try to show some atoms of charity in my habitats.

So looking at it seriously you have to know that government don't have interest of their people in mind what they really interested of, is for their own selfish interest, normally load supposed to be given to average individual in a society for empowerment because of damage which covid19 brought these year.