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Title: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: nullius on September 22, 2020, 05:37:30 PM
This is something that I don’t get:  In a global panopticon where a mouse can’t sneeze without potentially being AI-robot facially-recognized via a nearby camera, why the fuck are people protesting about a sudden leap from anti-mask laws to mandatory mask laws?

It is strictly a lesser evil.  Perhaps the architects of instant global tyranny (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233043.0) didn’t quite think this part through.  Enjoy it while you can—before TPTB suddenly realize that they are on the horns of a dilemma, and they need somehow to ban the masks that they are forcing you to wear.

For my part, regardless of Covid, I am happy to wear a surgical mask, preferably with sunglasses and a hat, when entering shops, or going down the street, or using a bank ATM, or coming anywhere within the shooting range of idiots toting terrorist weapons of mass privacy destruction cameraphones with social media apps.

Indeed, the new normal before Covid was that it was insane to step outside your home without a mask—but in many places, illegal to wear one.  Worse, wearing a mask in public tended to attract suspicions; if privacy is the goal, extra attention is undesirable.


As important as the sudden changes of laws is that wearing a mask in public is now socially acceptable.  Nobody wonders what you “have to hide”—hell, nobody even notices if you wear a medical mask that just so happens to obscure substantially your facial features.  Bonus:  Nobody looks at me funny if I wear gloves.  Thanks, Covid!

/me is a phantom.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: nullius on September 22, 2020, 05:38:04 PM
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Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Elwar on September 22, 2020, 06:05:56 PM
https://defence-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/10697421_1529660057282464_6014456446820869738_o.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2017/11/03/22/wire-1656268-1509748522-563_634x977.jpg


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Cryptotourist on September 22, 2020, 06:51:58 PM
It is strictly a lesser evil.  Perhaps the architects of instant global tyranny (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233043.0) didn’t quite think this part through.  Enjoy it while you can—before TPTB suddenly realize that they are on the horns of a dilemma, and they need somehow to ban the masks that they are forcing you to wear.

Oh they know exactly what they're doing (as you implied), it's the art of misdirection.
Sooner or later instead of imposing them, they will be banning them again, "because of the masked law offenders".
By that time the vaccine will be a must, because: how on earth can you have a "normal life" without it.

That's the endgame imo.
Tag the sheep, create a database of all sheep DNA, then set them "free" within the flock, to do as they are told, with - get this - next to zero places to hide.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Smartvirus on September 22, 2020, 07:19:47 PM
The new normal of mandatory mask wearing has been what makes a lot of persons feel safe in the height of the pandemic and has even been incorporated into fashion
but in time, it's sure to arise suspicion and a more mandatory banned would be required to end it's trendy as criminals can also hijack the opportunity to perpetuate malicious master minds or organized crimes.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Coyster on September 22, 2020, 07:42:29 PM
but in time, it's sure to arise suspicion and a more mandatory banned would be required to end it's trendy as criminals can also hijack the opportunity to perpetuate malicious master minds or organized crimes.
Masks worn by criminals, which covers the whole face leaving just the eye, is different from the type worn to prevent covid-19 spread, which only covers the nose and mouth, and one is pretty much recognizable when putting them on, so it's not possible that criminals are going to adopt that. And btw even before masks became a normal thing to wear on the streets this year, crimes have been perpetrated with criminals on masks ;).


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: nullius on September 22, 2020, 08:18:22 PM
Lightly edited:

800m, eh?  I guess he really does not want to risk catching or spreading Covid.  Better safe than sorry!



People may suppose that I be joking.  I am not.

For years, I have watched in horror as privacy has been destroyed in all public spaces by the potent combination of ubiquitous security cameras, “smartphone” cameras, and facial recognition technology.

For years, I have struggled to solve the seemingly insurmountable problem of daily concealing one’s face in public—without counterproductively inviting suspicions.

Mandatory face masks?  Crowds of people in which one more masked non-face just blends in?  Amidst a nightmare, it is a dream come true!

On account of my safety-consciousness, my mask is just a tiny bit more... comprehensive than the wimpy masks that I see some careless folks wearing.  The most comprehensive mask that I can find of a type that looks like a Covid mask—sized just a bit too big—well, I’ve got to protect as many facial features as possible from The Virus!

Perhaps now is a good time to raise awareness that concealing one’s face in public is a wise idea.  There is something very wrong with a world in which that’s true.  What can we do about that, besides trying to hide our faces?



Oh they know exactly what they're doing (as you implied), it's the art of misdirection.
Sooner or later instead of imposing them, they will be banning them again, "because of the masked law offenders".

Hmmm...  As if on cue:

it's sure to arise suspicion and a more mandatory banned would be required to end it's trendy as criminals can also hijack the opportunity to perpetuate malicious master minds or organized crimes.

It’s funny how as soon as I point out that masks have privacy benefits, somebody pops up to express fear about bogeys.

No, I am not implying that it is necessarily some type of purposeful operative.  To the contrary:  It is probably (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5231938.0) just some garden-variety exercise of Everybody’s Right To An Opinion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226757.msg53978163#post_wolf_conservation).

People are so brainwashed nowadays that they express this preprogrammed narrative almost without conscious thought, as if by conditioned reflexes.  On this forum, I frequently see the same phenomenon in discussions of Bitcoin and “KYC”.  Examples abound.

Masks worn by criminals, which covers the whole face leaving just the eye, is different from the type worn to prevent covid-19 spread,

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Neater_9975.png



The scariest part:

next to zero places to hide.



Hey, you said to “wear a mask”.  OK.



Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: BADecker on September 23, 2020, 02:55:16 AM
Even Spider-man's mask is too tight. AI can recognize him by the image he projects right through the mask.

8)


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Salauddin1994 on September 23, 2020, 03:27:45 AM
Masks are usually used to keep things safe and secure the spread of the virus was made mandatory due to the increase if the masks are not enough use it when it is most needed. For example when taking a bus or subway in an elevator or in a crowded place we suggest that other protective measures are more important such as frequent hand washing observing breathing etiquette and maintaining distance at social events.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: bitcoinsvrocks on September 23, 2020, 03:36:29 AM
In a global panopticon where a mouse can’t sneeze without potentially being AI-robot facially-recognized via a nearby camera, why the fuck are people protesting about a sudden leap from anti-mask laws to mandatory mask laws?

I think you don't get it,

When mask are not mandatory anymore we will protest to make mask mandatory again and we will wear masks.

When lockdown is imposed, we will protest to abolish the lockdown.

And when there is no lockdown, we will protest for lockdown to be re-imposed.

Because the right to protests, we can protest non sense.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: BADecker on September 23, 2020, 08:53:45 AM
^^^ You missed a big one. While we are free, we are attempting to elect a king, Trump or Biden, so we have somebody to be slaves to.

8)


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Jet Cash on September 23, 2020, 09:02:44 AM
I'm surprised that nobody has started selling advertising space on them.

Maybe an ICO ( initial coronavirus offering ).


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Cryptotourist on September 23, 2020, 09:17:02 AM
Maybe an ICO ( initial coronavirus offering ).

We've already had that, now we're heading for the rekt. :P


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: BADecker on September 23, 2020, 09:40:21 AM
Maybe an ICO ( initial coronavirus offering ).

We've already had that, now we're heading for the rekt. :P

Got a link?     8)


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Cryptotourist on September 23, 2020, 09:50:01 AM
Maybe an ICO ( initial coronavirus offering ).

We've already had that, now we're heading for the rekt. :P

Got a link?     8)

I'm afraid not, not buying COV really.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Marvelman on September 23, 2020, 09:52:54 AM
Maybe an ICO ( initial coronavirus offering ).

We've already had that, now we're heading for the rekt. :P

Got a link?     8)

I'm afraid not, not buying COV really.

Actually, there was no ICO, it was airdroped to everyone.  ;D


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Jet Cash on September 23, 2020, 10:00:33 AM
I heard that someone was collecting all the old masks and linking them together. the idea is to create a Covid block chain the block the virus from entering some public areas. I don't believe it, and I'm in the other camp. I support DeFi - we should all defi the rubbish restrictions that are causing so much economic damage just to facilitate a global reset.

The worst problems seem to come from the appointment of halfwit politicians. Maybe we should convert them all to segwits. For those who don't know - a "seg" is a boar that has been castrated as a mature animal. :)


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: BADecker on September 23, 2020, 10:09:36 AM
^^^ Can't even walk down the sidewalk without seeing dirty, old masks lying all over the place. But I can't blame the city for not cleaning them up. Who would touch one of those vile things?

8)


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Jet Cash on September 23, 2020, 10:16:50 AM
Each council is going to appoint a "masker aid", they will be pretending to collect them for disposal, but in reality they will be sold to the vaccine companies for use as sales aids.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: michellee on September 23, 2020, 10:39:32 AM

That mask design is an art for me. I found the image from google, and I wonder if that is available on the online store or not because it looks like it has full protection to our face.

But in this Covid-19, wearing a mask will be important because in some country, if people don't wear a mask in the public area, they can get fines by the officer. In this new normal, wearing a mask will be a new lifestyle that people must use to prevent the infection.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Vilagra on September 23, 2020, 10:51:55 AM
My Google Photo Assistant regognizes my face even I'm in a mask on the photo :)


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: erikoy on September 23, 2020, 12:07:35 PM
I'm surprised that nobody has started selling advertising space on them.

Maybe an ICO ( initial coronavirus offering ).
What a joke. ICO was really a virus that keeps on popping in bounties altcoins section. I can't blame people wanting to run a project without capital and just asking the crowd to fund for it. But others are abusing this kind of activity due to self interest after seeing some money from the crowd. As we all know that money is very hot for others that will be easily tempted that instead of using it to run the project the one manage the crowd funding activity will run away together with the money. The problem is that mostly these people are not showing themselves and are only using others identity as their purpose to scam more people believing that they could make a good project promising investors to earn fast and easy money.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on September 23, 2020, 01:30:51 PM
I am completely on board with the privacy side of wearing a mask. I've worn a surgical mask for so many years every day at work that I don't even notice I'm wearing them anymore - the same as wearing glasses. I'm more than happy to wear them in public, and will continue to do so for years to come, long after they are no longer mandatory.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: tsaroz on September 23, 2020, 02:12:44 PM
Mask won't save you now.
Quote
“It can detect crime suspects, terrorists or make reports or warnings,” he said.

But the system struggles to identify people with both a mask and sunglasses, he said.

“In this situation, all of the key facial information is lost. In such cases recognition is tough,” Huang said.

https://www.ft.com/content/42415608-340c-4c0a-8c93-f22cdd4cc2d6

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-facial-recognition/even-mask-wearers-can-be-idd-china-facial-recognition-firm-says-idUKKBN20W0WL

And as of mask advertisement, there are already enough people advertising political and racial views on their mask.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Dabs on September 23, 2020, 02:42:55 PM
If you are using just a regular mask that has no design on it, you can probably put contrasting lines or colors that effectively throws off any facial recognition software or makes it more difficult to identify the person.

Draw some fake smiley or just even whisker lines with a thick pen.

Dark sunglasses may be suspect, so you could wear any other glasses with contrasting colors, maybe a black frame or zebra patterns or something.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: yazher on September 23, 2020, 04:00:09 PM
Yeah! crminals also have some advantages with this so-called new normal. In our city alone, shooting incidents is highly intraceble. Those criminals can get away easily now. Even the CCTV cannot give us any enlightenment about the crime and most of the time we can not see them through the CCTV's installed in the city proper. It is because of the damn mask people doing crimes cannot be trace that easily anymore because everyone in the town is wearing the damn mask.

https://www.zenefits.com/workest/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Mask-Signs.png

This is just an alibi! they need think another alternative method or all those criminals can shoot whoever they want even though in the middle of the day in the city proper.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: squatz1 on September 23, 2020, 04:20:36 PM
I mean honestly this is something that I think can sell privacy advocates on. Now you get to wear a mask and no one will think different of you. You'll probably be able to wear masks for the next year or so as it'll still be acceptable, and might be mandated at that point as well. So yeah, you'll be able to avoid all of those pesky facial recognition camera and you get to wear a mask all of the time while in public.

May this pandemic have some downsides relating to privacy? Yes, as well. Some apps are being auto installed on your phones to track you and find out if you've been in contact (or potentially been in contact) with someone who has COVID. Further, it may be a bit harder to use cash in some places as they don't want to physically tough any money -- they'd much rather take a card, which will hurt your privacy.

But yeah, masks do have a dual use and people have to sell people on that side of things too if they don't really care about the covid part of it.




Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Cryptotourist on September 23, 2020, 04:22:55 PM
This is just an alibi! they need think another alternative method or all those criminals can shoot whoever they want even though in the middle of the day in the city proper.

Didn't see this one coming:

https://i.imgur.com/5iUKeq9.png
https://www.leaf.healthcare/compare-products

... something something, thesis, antithesis, synthesis, such a mess.
The "private jet" my ass. The joke is on us right?


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: Police Indo on September 27, 2020, 05:26:29 PM
that's what happened. the existence of masks actually also makes it difficult for the security forces if a crime occurs. CCTV and witnesses had difficulty in giving testimony because the perpetrator's face was not recognized. can you recognize someone only by eye?  it's hard guys.


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: BADecker on October 03, 2020, 06:02:44 PM
President Trump's Covid mask isn't keeping him very private - https://toofab.com/2020/07/02/donald-trump-lone-ranger-bette-midler/ :

Donald Trump FINALLY kinda sorta agreed to wear a mask this week — but only because it makes him look cool.

Having resisted wearing one — despite the CDC guidelines — since the very start of the coronavirus pandemic, the President finally relented a little bit on Wednesday, after musing it makes him "look like the Lone Ranger".

"I had a mask on. I sort of liked the way I looked. OK. I thought it was OK. It was a dark black mask, and I thought it looked OK," he told Fox Business News in an interview.


https://images.toofab.com/image/fa/4by3/2020/07/02/fa4894a852a941c4a130bf7deb02856b_md.jpg (https://toofab.com/2020/07/02/donald-trump-lone-ranger-bette-midler/)

 :D


Title: Re: Covid masks are dual-use for privacy
Post by: franky1 on October 05, 2020, 05:35:43 AM
I heard that someone was collecting all the old masks and linking them together. the idea is to create a Covid block chain the block the virus from entering some public areas. I don't believe it, and I'm in the other camp. I support DeFi - we should all defi the rubbish restrictions that are causing so much economic damage just to facilitate a global reset.

The worst problems seem to come from the appointment of halfwit politicians. Maybe we should convert them all to segwits. For those who don't know - a "seg" is a boar that has been castrated as a mature animal. :)

he is on the other camp
he wants to risk human lives. he doesnt want to hide his face and all he cares about is the government fiat.

now that is one hell of a misdirect and a weird promotion he is pushing. defying government by doing what the government wants. remember the health system is not government and the government is fighting against heath by telling people that they wont pay out much longer for health issues.

jetcash really doesnt realise which camp he has joined.
i would rather governments stop bailing out billionaire businesses. and instead pay for healthcare and housing for the low income... but jetcash wants the opposite