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Title: Scams arent always done right in your face, sometimes you have to DIG Post by: anoncoiner23 on September 24, 2020, 05:42:11 AM So I've recently started doing bounties again and of course if something is found i like todo a bit more research for them, well today ive stumbled upon a scammer, before you say "wait anoncoiner, that's not scamming", well first let me point out the definition of a
Scam: a dishonest scheme; a fraud. so when you use someone elses account (in my case twitter) to try (Because i caught you) and claim their work as your own, that's a form of scamming, and to come from a "senior" member of all people, i feel again like there's just no moderation in SOME of these community, i would like to see something done about this, we should all be against scams and fraud, stop it at the root. Again if im not doing this right, or posting this in the right place, forgive me and tell me, i will do as the commanders command. A new perspective has been brought to my attention so i cannot name the accused as i feel it may not be fair REDACTED Nonetheless i urge everyone to check their work and think about what the comments say, they're very eye opening and you can probably find a new perspective again if i should remove the topic you Moderator would like to remove it, please do so, but it is a good learning experience for me. Title: Re: Scams arent always done right in your face, sometimes you have to DIG Post by: Rikafip on September 24, 2020, 05:52:34 AM What you provided is not proof enough that he used your twitter account. For example, someone can use my name and your twitter account in order to apply for bounty. Does that mean I am cheating?
Scammers do that all the time, they use someone else's accounts to apply for bounty campaign because they count on laziness of bounty managers. Check this case, that was exposed few days ago Steal: Twitter, Facebook belonging to other Members. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277527.msg55245084#msg55245084) If you have proof in the bounty thread that he applied for bounty using your twitter account, then that's completely different thing. Or maybe if address used in spreadsheet was previously used by @bitvalak (I just checked the address 0x6c9D0DEe4f138E3245892eeE0AA68842E7D25646 and I don't see it being used on bitcointalk before). But even that can be "planted" to incriminate someone. Here is the spreadsheet of bounty in question, if someone else wants to check a bit more https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-yqjibcpi2QDMe8-Fx89bW9AMFH-swD-Csbmf32F2yM/edit#gid=665649944 Title: Re: Scams arent always done right in your face, sometimes you have to DIG Post by: anoncoiner23 on September 24, 2020, 06:08:41 AM What you provided is not proof enough that he used your twitter account. For example, someone can use my name and your twitter account in order to apply for bounty. Does that mean I am cheating? Scammers do that all the time, they use someone else's accounts to apply for bounty campaign because they count on laziness of bounty managers. Check this case, that was exposedfew days ago Steal: Twitter, Facebook belonging to other Members. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277527.msg55245084#msg55245084) If you have proof in the bounty thread that he applied for bounty using your twitter account, then that's completely different thing. Or maybe if address used in spreadsheet was previously used by @bitvalak (I just checked the address 0x6c9D0DEe4f138E3245892eeE0AA68842E7D25646 and I don't see it being used on bitcointalk before). Here is the spreadsheet of bounty in question, if someone else wants to check a bit more https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-yqjibcpi2QDMe8-Fx89bW9AMFH-swD-Csbmf32F2yM/edit#gid=665649944 I see what you're saying and didn't think about it that way, thank you for the correction and the example, i have fixed some things in the post although i see this as a good learning experience for me and others. Title: Re: Scams arent always done right in your face, sometimes you have to DIG Post by: nutildah on September 24, 2020, 06:16:49 AM I would just point it out to the bounty manager that this person is using your twitter feed.
What's weird is I can't find bitvalak's entry in the bounty thread. Nor is he anywhere in the Telegram. It does look like perhaps he was added as a special favor or something. Title: Re: Scams arent always done right in your face, sometimes you have to DIG Post by: Rikafip on September 24, 2020, 06:23:37 AM What's weird is I can't find bitvalak's entry in the bounty thread. Nor is he anywhere in the Telegram. Thing is, the way bounty campaigns work, you don't even have to provide your own links to end up in spreadsheet. Just look at this Google form from one campaign. I can use your bitcointalk profile, someone else's twitter and all that data will end up in spreadsheet. It is up to bounty manager to sort those, but they are often paid in those useless shitcoins so they don't really care about that stuff and don't check properly.It does look like perhaps he was added as a special favor or something. https://i.postimg.cc/kgFkHV7g/yearn.png You can put whatever you want in there really, and its being abused all the time. Proper way it would be to check whether proof of post participation matches submission, and if not, remove it. But that means extra work. I went through spreadsheet a bit, and I found one more case. This time scammer used name of one fellow member from Croatian board. His name is there, twitter account is from someone else and ETH address hasn't been used before. There must be more cases for sure, that was just the name i recognized. https://i.postimg.cc/qv38BnNp/big-daddy.png Title: Re: Scams arent always done right in your face, sometimes you have to DIG Post by: Coin_trader on September 24, 2020, 06:35:27 AM In your case, You should report the fraud application to the bounty manager in-charge since the form for application is in public and anyone can enter whatever the information they want regardless if the identity was stolen or not just like what @rikafip show above the sample application form. Although this lapse can be avoided if the bounty manager really checks all the applications because there is #proof of application in every campaign to verify that the application is from the original bitcointalk user.
Sadly, Many bounty manager are lazy didn't check application proof that's why there still cheaters that doing this scheme. Title: Re: Scams arent always done right in your face, sometimes you have to DIG Post by: Jawhead999 on September 24, 2020, 07:17:50 AM There must be more cases for sure, that was just the name i recognized. If you check the Signature campaign spreadsheet you will see the scammer added many reputed member such as @Brewmaster @harizen @Wexnident @Jating @Kemarit @Slowdeath @Pamadar @eaLiTy and @malevolent. That's just few account I discover, didn't have much time to check 16950 entry LOLhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GOwtWjF2FLd7WBHc2iUb4CH7LTy3n6wLDfioyDL46Is/edit#gid=285055034 This method can be misused and will bring a serious problem (e.g. ban evasion or cheating) https://i.ibb.co/ZJXn73R/Screenshot-140.png (https://ibb.co/VN975d0) https://i.ibb.co/xF5Dvz7/Screenshot-141.png (https://ibb.co/XYJbBFC) |
