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My conspiracy theory is that Covid-19 comes from a virus jointly engineered and unleashed by the Western and Chinese elites. This theory is supported by a combination of how unlikely the virus is to be natural (as detailed by Dr Li-Meng Yan's paper) and other attending events, including what strongly appears to be cover-up:

- The entire Western mainstream media and establishment set of virologists went out of their way to provide protection for, of all countries, China, which is  normally painted as a bad actor with every chance, by saying the virus is natural.

- The silencing of dissenting scientific voices.  Why not let the debate play out, if Dr Yan's argument or conspiracy theories have no merit.

- Somehow, early containment failed in all major Western economies and China, and these just happen to be the major sufferers of the debt bubble.  This happened when quite a few other countries have shown that early containment is possible.  As I've argued, it's not just Trump and his ilk who were responsible for the slow response.  The media and entire political class implicitly supported the do-nothing response, until it was too late.

- The suppression of HCQ+ as an excellent Covid treatment, even though this fact has been well documented around the world.  The media widely published 'studies' with flat-out fake data (for which major journals have retracted the publications, too late) that almost totally destroyed the image of HCQ+ among the public.  This is not to mention publicizing numerous studies on HCQ+ that were improperly done, some inexplicably so, that are negative about this treatment.  (For the effectiveness of HCQ+ treatment, see here (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/04/11/professor-didier-raoult-releases-the-results-of-a-new-hydroxychloroquine-treatment-study-on-1061-patients/), here (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/80-patients-staff-members-come-coronavirus-texas-nursing-home-hydroxychloroquine-treatment-saves-1-patient/) and here (https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/2/hydroxychloroquine-rated-most-effective-therapy-do/).)

- The sudden appearance of a virus (RatG13) that was touted as a natural close relative of Sars-CoV-2 after theories of lab-made origin appeared.  RatG13 turned out, on close examination, to be most likely a lab creation, but one that was done too hastily to provide a believable evolutionary pathway.

- First and not least, the overwhelming incentives for the global elites to deflate the global debt bubble without taking the blame for the resulting pain.  In fact, in Sept. 2019, a fire erupted deep in core of the system (the repo market crisis.) Over the weeks and months, it could only be contained but somehow never put out, even with the supposed unlimited monetary powers of the Federal Reserve.  There's a good chance that the financial system's natural implosion had already started.

Perhaps, individually, these events could each be argued as happenstance, or what not.  But taken as a whole, they present a compelling set of evidence.

One addition, from latest news:

- It seems that Google has been attacking the reputation of the Great Barrington Declaration (https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/big-tech-has-become-tool-totalitarian-facism-google-has-memory-hole-great-barrington) by respectable scientists who suggest that most of the population should be allowed to go about their lives normally.

For a well-researched summary of how the US and China jointly developed viruses to infect humans (justified by need to find counter-measures against the viruses once they occurred in nature,) see  this article. (https://regenerationinternational.org/2020/04/30/murder-most-foul-the-perps-behind-covid-19/)

For quick, solid proof of joint US-China involvement, see this hard-hitting piece (https://breggin.com/us-chinese-scientists-collaborate-on-coronavirus/).

Apparently (if you read the above,) the development of counter-measures went nowhere, but their deadly virus got out of the lab...

This article by Peter, MD seems more like a jump of faith and confirmatory bias. That research paper was not some high-security, classified study. It was published in Nature and is visible for everyone to see. It was a bunch of academics working together. Chinese-American researchers working together is nothing new when they collaborated with even Russia for Science and Space.

As far as containment in the US is concerned, all you guys have to do is stay indoors and avoid public contact for 20 days straight so that all cases can live out their duration and those that get serious get contained in a medical facilities. The rest of the population can then slowly take a few more weeks with Mask usage to determine their individual areas of containment. The fact is that under Trump and with Trumpism, America has become a shithole where people are willing to say the most indecent thing and demonstrate the most unlawful of behavior for their doses of Social media fame. It says a lot about the average American mind desperate for attention and fame.

Containing it is not that big a deal if people keep their distance in public and wear masks. As the prevalence of the virus decreases, things slowly get back to normal.

For all the conspiracy theory, would you care to explain the economics of it? Like, What exactly do you think the elites are trying to achieve and how you think they will go about it in terms of the economics??

Frankly tired of seeing these garbage conspiracy theories on the virus being engineered for any reason, let alone something as nonsensical as a financial reset. The bitcoin community has enough trouble not appearing like a cult of crazies as it is, and having people associated with bitcoin constantly pushing trash like this doesn’t help us. This community needs to be better than to embrace this trash.

In fact China previously announced that normal days had begun. Meanwhile, the impact is that other countries have even expanded Lokdown. I'm here, I don't really believe 100% that Covid 19 exists. maybe right at the beginning of its existence it was true, but if it is to this day, then it is increasingly as contrived to manipulate Chinese political action as a whole. The number of victims is not small, even countries that are not the main priority for the emergence of Covid are getting worse, namely continuing to stages 2 and three.

Yeah, I don't understand exactly what a "financial reset" is.  If anything, all this money printing and stimulus checks might lead to some severe inflation--and that won't be good for anyone assuming wages don't rise as well. 

That's not to say that governments couldn't or wouldn't take advantage of a pandemic to do some shady things, but I seriously doubt any government created COVID-19 with the intention of affecting the economy.  I'm a firm believer that this is what biology does from time to time: produce mutant strains of viruses/bacteria which are much harder to deal with than anything previously known.  So despite the "evidence" of a conspiracy, I'm not buying it.

Not to mention that nobody is stupid enough to release a biological agent which cannot be controlled into the population.  If your conspiracy theory is that the "elites" are trying to control people by releasing a virus into the world that can't be controlled, then I'm sorry you don't realize how stupid you are but the rest of us do.

covid19 is 9/11 all over again.

Just like how 9/11 shaped the future for nearly 20 years, covid19 is just another made-up story which will enable them to shape the future.

The virus is men-made and the vaccine is potentially a malware.

I respect your opinion, but I do not believe in this theory. 

In my opinion, the elites of the Western world and China could not participate together in such a global conspiracy. 

There are many global problems in the modern world. 

One of these problems is the US abandonment of world hegemony.  A world leader is forced to sacrifice his national interests for the common good.  The United States does not want to make such sacrifices.  They can be understood.  However, as a result, China, Russia, the EU and other countries are left alone with their problems and are forced to solve these problems on their own. 

China, as a state with a very developed economy, isolated itself as much as possible from the Western world.  Chinese elites do not trust the elites of the Western world. 

In my opinion, joint action by China and the United States to reset the global financial system is too complex a combination. 

It's impossible.

For the sliver minority interested in discussing this uncomfortable topic, which most would prefer to forget. The epoch times published the best documentary on the subject I know of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMJ0EmMfb3U

There are possibilities aside from a great reset. A shift in global power from america and the west, to china and the east, is another explanation.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErkUcqiW4AYXR5Z?format=jpg&name=900x900

Infection and mortality rates would appear to economically favor china over the united states.

There could also be 2020 US election implications where lockdowns and quarantines had an influence.

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Related, but likely of be of interest to some here in BobK71's thread is Jim Rickards' new book, just came out Tuesday, I have finished all but the last chapter:

The New Great Depression

He posits a deflation then inflation scenario for us, for the whole world really.  Pretty grim prognosis for the world's economy going forward.  He writes that the LOCKDOWN from COVID-19 is more damaging than the virus itself, though that is pretty bad.

He likes gold, but I have found NO mention of Bitcoin, curious.  Bitcoin has done me a lot of good.

Highly recommended reading!


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We heard a lot of news about this conspiracy theory, but what I do not understand is how governments can benefit from these conspiracies to solve their economic problems or justify their failure, this scenario seems really terrifying How can these countries kill millions of people to cover their economic failure?
I tend to believe that the Corona virus was created in the framework of the Cold War between the West and the East, and it could have spread in an intended or unintended way, but it has spread in the end and the cause of all these calamities. This scenario seems more plausible to me, it is world domination that drives the spread of the Coronavirus, not the economy.

Indeed, the allegation had been from the beginning in the first wave with this conspiracy theory, if this was only the framework of the western and eastern cold war, of course it would be affected a lot how about the impact of other countries that don't know what, while they were affected by the corona virus, not because of course the government will remain improve their economy because with this case there will be many failures that occur, look with vaccines that have been widely distributed, is this a problem of global trade?
But we need valid data, whether in this conspiracy only people say it? There are still many questions about this deadly virus when it will end, I hope this will be a full encouragement for the government.

If you read both of the links in the post you quoted from (i.e. read this one (https://regenerationinternational.org/2020/04/30/murder-most-foul-the-perps-behind-covid-19/) as well,) it's clear that the co-operation we talk about is the 'gain of function' research that studied how to make viruses more infectious and how to make animal viruses infect humans, i.e. work that potentially led to the covid virus.  Whether the work was technically classified or not, I'm not sure, but it sure isn't something that can be published in one Nature article.

I don't disagree with this, except that if the virus was released intentionally, it will not go away, unless and until those who released it want it to.


(For background, see A Brief History of Modern Money (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1314385.msg13442038#msg13442038) and Dissecting the Parasitocracy, Version 2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5258404.msg54691710#msg54691710).)

Basically, the entire modern, Western dominated world system, from, say, the 1400s, have been a boom-and-bust generator, by design, to benefit the financial and political elites.  When the bubble is overdue for a bust, it can be to the elites' benefit to engineer a bust rather than let a financial crash occur naturally.  The last (relatively mild) example of an engineered reset was in the mid-1980s with the Plaza and Louvre accords among major Western countries.

I will try my best to explain it below:

To understand the fundamental nature of a reset in our system, imagine you run a theatre.  Most people prefer to save most of their tickets for the future.  So, you're able to sell many more tickets than the seats can support.  For now.  But over-selling is a great benefit to you.

But soon, there are many more claims to wealth (paper assets) than real wealth (goods and services) in your little economy.  Sooner or later, confidence will reach a crisis point.  There are only a number of things you can do:

Deflation/default/austerity: make certain tickets invalid.  This is the most painful approach, as financial assets crash, and people lose wealth, jobs and business.

Inflation/devaluation: say that each hour on the ticket really means a quarter hour, or each seat really means half a seat.  This is the least painful approach, since the pain is spread around.  But those with the most tickets will have the biggest absolute losses in wealth, and won't be happy.

Financial repression: halt admission to the performance from time to time.

Imperialism: make other theatres honor our tickets.  Give them a share of the profits or threaten them with 'regime change,' or both.

Economic growth: build more seats.  This is of course the most preferable approach, but is not under your direct control.  In the real economy, the labs are sometimes simply unable to come up with things people want to buy.  Even worse, when there's too much uncertainty in the economy, people are reluctant to invest and spend.  So suitable seats aren't appearing, just when you need them most!

That's it.  Those are your only choices.  Most times, you take a combination of the above approaches, to even out the stress to your system.  (This model leaves out major features of our system, such as non-state monies, financial leverage, etc., but should serve our purposes.  See 100 Men on An Island (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1452140.msg14676740#msg14676740) for a different angle.)

A reset seeks to wipe the slate clean, so you can start anew, with your system in a healthy state (so you can sell more seats than you have, again!)  Since most of the required medicine will be painful in one way or another, it would be nice to be able to blame the event on something other than having sold too many tickets.

The precise set of events in this reset are impossible to predict, since it'll be up to the elites, and even they probably don't know for sure, because they have to act according to how things unfold, to a certain degree.

That said, we can be reasonably confident of some big-picture pieces of this reset:

- The covid crisis will become more severe, whether in truth or in propaganda.  It won't really matter, since the important thing will be to 'make severe lockdowns necessary.'

- The economic fallout from the lockdowns will crash financial assets (specifically stocks, corporate bonds, and/or real estate), or cause severe inflation (as a result of governments' money printing and borrowing to rescue the economy), or both.

- At the end of the reset, one way or another (above,) the claims to wealth will be much more equal to the actual wealth in goods and services, AT CURRENT PRICES.  We have a much healthier system.

Well, we don't even know as well if the Chinese Government didn't do and not doing any shady things because we don't have any "evidence" that they are being honest, unless we run a polygraph test on them. The whole point of the idea I think is about how the economy suffered in COVID-19 and slowly recovering from it (is it?), and now we have another mutation of the virus happening and some countries including ours has already a patient who's been positive in the said mutated virus.

Conspiracy Theories, White lies or whatever it is that's been saying by the Government doesn't matter, what matters is that we have to end and face this problem united to gain back what we have lost.

This is purely about Survival of the fittest.

Me too, but we can't really dispel this shenanigans when we only work as an individual. It doesn't really matter if this is a engineered virus or a natural one, this only deviates us to the truth that our governments failed to do the necessary measures to prevent a pandemic in their country in the first place. Instead of focusing too much on obscure and baseless accusation, why not be kind to others and do something to contribute to the community.

I dont know either what a "financial reset" is.
There is a lot of evidence to show that the wealth divide is increasing, rich getting richer, poor getting poorer.

There are so many conspiracy theories going about and I agree that the failure of most governments
to act fast and incisively only frustrates people and created a breeding ground for conspiracy theorists
to concoct stories.

There are also a lot of people who refuse to do what a government instructs no matter what it is
these are the paranoid theorists.

The media has been talking about the great reset since the last year https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/introducing-the-great-reset-world-leaders-radical-plan-to-transform-the-economy/ar-BB15XGsU
I'm fed up with different conspiracies, but really want to know what the economy of the future will look like.

Big Tech is censoring/removing the vaxx critics, election fraud videos, deleting their accounts left and right lately.

So much for the free speech.

From my perspective, covid is just being used by big corporations to enrich themselves. The virus itself isn't the problem, but the response is.
- Lockdown kills competitions, mainly small/medium businesses.
- Vaccine = instaprofit for Pfizer et al.
- No job = use social media more.

Well firstly, it absolutely matters whether the virus was engineered or not.  Someone puts out a baseless conspiracy theory about it being engineered for a financial reset (even though they can't explain how that works) and we have to coddle them and their insane beliefs for the sake of being polite? That's why the world is as messed up as it is. We coddle people who are stupid and reinforce the notion that their stupid ideas are valid. They're not, and this one definitely isn't.

Do you have any links to these fact you proclaim?

all these virus' these days seem to be engineered.

Its like a hobby for idiot countries.

"Hey we can wipe out humanity!"

great we can be rich.

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It is very interesting when talking about conspiracy theories, it is very clear that there are several parties who benefit in a pandemic situation like now.
Because it is very easy to overthrow business rivals, and easier to control third world countries by providing a number of loan funds. As we know today
the demand for health supplements is very high, so the pharmaceutical industry is progressing rapidly with a drastic increase in profit.

Then there is the instant food industry where incomes have risen very high in a pandemic situation like now. Because many people are experiencing
an economic crisis, finally they choose to consume lots of instant noodles, which are indeed cheap. Therefore I feel that this COVID-19 pandemic will
last a long time or maybe it will never end, because it is considered to be beneficial to certain parties. Because nowadays there are many industries
that are greedy and only think about profit by doing everything they can to achieve their targets.

The problem is not that there are conspiracy theories.  The problem is that there are conspiracies.

While you can’t hide the fact that if they engineered this type of thing, they should know That day bear all the Conscience in which they have everyone affected with this thing. A lot of people had lost their jobs, family members, Properties, etc. And they should know that they affected everyone. They will carry the burden of those who died.

I don’t think that it’s engineered in there’s probably another reason for it but I didn’t like this happening to everyone of us. I hope there could be a permanent solution already for this and we can go back to the way used to be.

It's not possible for us common people to know the exact truth, even if we can guess the big picture reasonably.

For example, I suppose the virus was real in the early days.  How real is it today?  There are reports saying the infection and death rates from covid are much overblown, using the PCR tests that only now are being acknowledged by US authorities to be faulty.

But, in the big picture, it doesn't really matter one way or the other.  If the virus was initially released intentionally in China, why not release it elsewhere later when needed?  And why not engineer a worse virus when that turns out to be needed to reset the economy?  My point is, if the elites are capable of the initial crime, there's absolutely no reason not to commit the later crime.

See my slightly earlier reply for what financial reset means.

Like you, in these matters my initial, default position has to be that there's no foul play.  However, if you read this link (https://regenerationinternational.org/2020/04/30/murder-most-foul-the-perps-behind-covid-19/) that I included, you'll see that:

- There were joint US-China efforts at creating and sharpening viruses that infect humans, using the rationale (in fact stated by the good Dr. Anthony Fauci himself) that this research will allow us to better deal with deadly viruses when they arise from nature.  But this research was dangerous, so much so that the Obama administration temporarily suspended funding, pending studies into its safety.  Even then, the research continued.  When Obama stopped it in the US, Fauci's USIAID moved it to Wuhan.

- Somehow, no progress was made in the stated goal, i.e. fighting future deadly viruses.

- But, a lab-made virus went into the world.

(See Dr. Li-Meng Yan's open-to-peer-review paper (https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/covid-19-unrestricted-bioweapon-whistleblower-releases-second-paper-alleging-large-scale) that attempts a proof that the covid virus was man-made.  Dr. Yan has fled China for safety, and an early analysis (https://greatgameindia.com/indian-scientists-discover-coronavirus-engineered-with-aids-like-insertions/) by Indian scientists that the covid virus looked man-made caused ZeroHedge, which publicized the analysis, to be banned from Twitter.)

As far as we common people can know, it's far from certain that this virus is uncontrollable.

It seems clear that Covid can be reduced to a bad flu, if it's not already.  For example, the hydroxychloroquine-plus (HCQ+) treatment regime has been shown to be excellent.  See here (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/04/11/professor-didier-raoult-releases-the-results-of-a-new-hydroxychloroquine-treatment-study-on-1061-patients/), here (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/80-patients-staff-members-come-coronavirus-texas-nursing-home-hydroxychloroquine-treatment-saves-1-patient/) and here (https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/2/hydroxychloroquine-rated-most-effective-therapy-do/).  According to similar sources, the ivermectin-based regime is even better.  Did the Western elites know about these treatments before the pandemic?  There's no way for us to know, but we certainly can't say covid is uncontrollable.

Now, when these treatments were discovered by doctors, the elites ensured they would not be used.  That is a separate story altogether.

There's no real need for a true conspiracy between the US and China.  Since a financial reset in each country is in the interests of the elites of each country (and this includes Britain, EU countries, and Japan,) a loose co-ordination is all that is required.

If China released the virus alone to try to dominate the world, we have more than enough evidence to hold China accountable.  (Even the links I've provided in this thread will do the job!)  But what was the response of the Wester establishment?  First, to try to argue that the virus was natural, alongside China.  Then, when evidence of lab-made nature kept coming out, a faction of the West (the pro-Trump group, by and large, but not yet the mainstream politicians and media) have started to blame China for the virus (but, at least for now, saying publicly that the release was accidental.)  China, for its part, started saying the US may be responsible, at around the same time.

This is entirely to be expected.  When two criminals are caught co-operating, each will try to blame the other.

If your assumption is that the Western elites can't possibly be so evil as to kill people to keep their economic and financial power, all you need to do is look at World War I.  Specifically, why the US and UK entered the war.

Almost a million Britons were killed, and we still don't know exactly what for.  The best that a recent BBC analysis could come up with was 'not to allow Germany to dominate Europe.'  Well, see below.

In the US, President Woodrow Wilson campaigned for re-election in 1916 on his record of having kept the country out of war, but immediately turned pro-war after he was re-elected.  The war was so unpopular that the Espionage Act of 1917 provided heavy prison sentences for commenting against joining the war.  Apparently, when things got serious, freedom(TM) would have to wait.

Now, what was the purpose of the war, again?  Well, it looks like we'll have to guess.  It just happened that, the war allowed the seat of the global money bubble to be moved from the over-indebted UK to a friendly US, while decidedly knocking unfriendly Germany out of the running for monetary control.  (From now on, the dollar would gradually replace sterling as the global reserve currency, alongside gold.)

In other words, it prevented a natural collapse of the global monetary system when the UK, at the center of the existing system, only had 3% of the gold required to redeem the total amount of paper sterling issued over the decades, while officially promising to redeem all paper sterling for gold on request, at the official rate.

A natural collapse would have been pretty embarrassing for the Western system, so, druuuuuuum-roll... a Great Reset must be engineered.

It sounds like it's all good of course but there is one but. All you described is how to shoot yourself in the foot, and with a grenade launcher.
Those "world elites" are not so stupid and understand that if you create a debt bubble without responsibility and then just block it with new money straight from the printer, then you will still have to answer for it but in the near future.
Complete lockdown of everything around from air traffic to your favorite coffee shop at home - it is so profitable to no one as you can only imagine. So yes it sounds good of course but still very far fetched everything except that the virus was created artificially. This is quite a proven fact (as far as I can judge) and I myself fully believe in it.

It certainly sounds strong, but I never heard the arguments. Let's think LOGICALLY? What is the meaning and real goals of such a step?

I once heard the "theory" that all this is being done in order to reduce the population to 0.5-1 billion, chip everyone, and replace all people with robots in all industries! This is about the insidious Bill Gates and foil hats from 5G radiation :)
When we with the person who voiced this thought decided to step by step logically go through this decision and understand the BENEFIT of such a decision, and understand the PURPOSE. It turned out to be nonsense :) What is expected.

Now about the conspiracy of the Western elites and China. A simple question - what is the purpose and benefit of such a "project"? What, after the death of millions of people, destruction and weakening of local economies in all countries, will the "conspirators" get? Try to LOGICALLY explain the BENEFIT and the ways to achieve it?

If you look at the current situation, it will all lead to benefits for a group of big companies.  And what is being sacrificed is the lower class society.  However, if it is purely considered a conspiracy, I would agree with you that the current conditions are only used by big companies to enrich themselves.  But for these diseases to be invented by themselves to create more wealth opportunities, we must have much more accurate evidence.  The fact is the current pandemic has similar characteristics to the previous pandemic, namely MERS and SARS.  This means that in the past the development of the Covid virus had existed, and it was estimated by WHO.  We can't just believe in conspiracy theories, because every event in this world there will always be a conspiracy theory that follows it.  However, from myself, I think this is just a continuation of the previous pandemic which was used by big companies to enrich themselves.

Interesting. I am going to quote myself on another thread:



That's another thing that makes me suspicious. Instead of having open debates, it is about silencing those who think differently.

There are several theories about the origin of the virus and the purpose it may have. I am not clear on any of them. All I'm saying is that this whole virus thing smells bad to me and that I have quite a few doubts about the official version.

Lots of conspiracy theories that we had read up from time to time about this pandemic that it isnt real, it was intentionally created or whatsoever but basing off on the current conditions worldwide
then you can really say that it is pointless to make up some conspiracies if there are really people who do dies up with this one.I dont see for it to be intentional and if it was then this is brutal
thing just for the sake of making money or trying to enrich themselves for those who are on the top of the chain.Engineered or not but doesnt mean that you do let yourself too careless
when it comes to health protocol. Dont let these presumptions do affect you on making up decisions whether you do believe it or not.

China today systematically hides and manipulates information about the real level of disease and spread. Today, missions and WHO representatives are still not allowed to China, who could assess the real picture of the spread of the virus in China, the presence of other strains of the virus ... For the Chinese economy, objective information about the extent of the disease and the spread of Covid19 is not very beneficial.

We couldn't care less if it's engineered or not, because what's more important here is to find a way to eradicate this virus and the divide it has created in our society.

The virus may well be created by China to gain economic power over USA which is its primary rival nowadays, but don't let this distract you from the fact that the virus is real, the casualties it has dealt is not fabricated, and the dangers that the virus could bring to you and to everyone around you shouldn't be downplayed.

The day that they will bear that "conscience" will not happen, they did this because of their belief in something, I do not know what kind of ideology they have but I think that it is enough to do this kind of thing. I do not believe that these whole pandemic is a conspiracy but I do believe that this was an opportunity for the few ones to make a profit out of it. The real conspiracies does not need to be that elaborate, most of them are happening right under our noses, hiding in plain sight. There were studies from back in 2000's about the virus but no one seems to bat an eye back then, I do believe it is not engineered as bats are known to carry nasty diseases for over a century now.

This has been a talk for over a year now I think, people has talked about how the virus was "manufactured" but the reality is that, that doesn't change anything in reality. Let's assume that it was manufactured, there was an evil reason behind it, does that change the fact that we should all wear masks? It doesn't, does that change the fact that we should have space between each person so we do not spread it? No it doesn't, does it change that we are all living in a world that is limited now and looks unnatural? No it doesn't.

Basically "knowing" if it is manufactured or not will not change anything. At the end of the day we are going to go over this and we are going to go back to how the world was and we just need to be careful until it happens, and why it happened will not change anything at all.

Yep, the virus is real, and it doesn't matter if it's engineered or not; it is still dangerous. The discussion was about whether it was an engineered financial reset or not, and in my opinion, it was not, but some parties just take advantage of the situation.

Sure it's harmful to me and my family, but it is our business, not you, the government, or the people.

Eradicate virus? Is it even possible with coronavirus' mutability? And then shut down the entire economy, make lots of people jobless, and probably die from depression, just for the sake of the hypothesis that this virus can be eradicated with such an approach? I don't know the answer, and neither the politicians who make the policy. But what I know for sure, I won't decide to limit anything, wear anything, etc., until I'm 100% sure the benefit outweighs the risk and collateral damage.

Oh, it absolutely matters how covid started.

If the Chinese and Western elites released the virus on purpose, they will not stop, unless they are exposed. 

If the elites released the virus on purpose, they will release a more contagious one, and/or a more deadly one in the near future (if not already,) if the original virus hasn't done its job of resetting the financial system.  (And it looks like it hasn't.)

I would agree, to refuse social distancing is foolish, as the virus is clearly real (if perhaps not the daily case and death numbers.)

It's also true that when the world system is clearly failing (growing inequality as you mentioned, increased pollution and plundering of earth's resources, hopelessness in the middle and bottom segments of the West, political turmoil, etc.) people stop trusting the official version of how the system works, and start cooking up all sorts of conspiracy theories.

But not all conspiracy theories are equal.  Nobody can dispute this open conspiracy at the root of the world system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5258404.msg54691710#msg54691710).

If the money and financial systems are at heart a means of theft and deception, it should come as no surprise that the elites will conspire to blame the  periodically necessary economic pain on something other than the design of their system.

But, agreed, you do have to be careful what conspiracy theories to believe.

(Also, about a hundred years ago (IMO the world being in the same phase of the asset-bubble cycle as today,) many intellectuals thought that nihilism, anarchy, and communism were preferable to the Western-led world system.  This attested to the bankruptcy of the Western system, but it turned out that the 'solutions' were worse than the problem.)

As for what the future may look like, IMO we can guess quite a lot just by watching the public pronouncements by the mainstream media:

- Western currencies will stay strong against other fiat currencies.  (They will likely be devalued against gold, silver, cryptocurrencies, etc., but only one time.  After the Great Reset, Western fiat money will, for a long time, hold their value or gain against the non-state monies.)

- For large segments of the Western populations who will be priced out of the global economy by their own currencies, there will be 'universal basic income' (free money from the government) to let them survive at a basic level.

- To minimize the inflation caused by UBI, the West will import a lot of migrant workers from the developing world (with varying legal frameworks for their entry) to do hard work for low pay.  The Black Lives Matter movement may have been an attempt to preemptively silence critics of this migration.

- Technology will be a major support for the Western economic system.  Young Westerners who have the drive to succeed in tech should do well.  (The biggest winners will be those with cheap money and expensive skills, e.g. Indian IT workers; the biggest losers will be those with expensive money and cheap skills, e.g. US truck drivers.)

- Many jobs that depended on the pre-covid bubble economy will be permanently gone.  The new economy will be leaner, with less need for travel, entertainment, and other luxury services.

- Cash will be abolished in the West, all money will be electronic, and fiat currencies will be subject to deeply negative interest rates to 'stimulate economies and promote growth' via central banks.

- When the reset is done, stocks, long bonds, and real estate will be nowhere near today's value. (They might not drop nominally, but their values will not command nearly as much purchasing power as today.)

- Pollution will slow down, partly from reduction in activities that are environmentally expensive, like flying, and partly from new power by governments and big corporations to police pollution.  (In an overall trend of consolidation of power, this might be the only real benefit.)

I am troubled by this post.  If one doesn't believe in any conspiracy theories at all, one must believe the world system is honest at the center.  One must wonder why something like WikiLeaks and Julian Assange exist at all, since any 'reputable' news outlet like the New York Times or Washington Post must be more than happy to report on explosive leaked information that puts the USA to shame, for the good of journalism.  (Or one chooses not to wonder.)

Rather than attacking conspiracy theories in a blanket fashion, if someone can theorize as to why the entire Western media destroyed the reputation of HCQ+, a good covid treatment, based on a 'study' which has turned out to be a fraud, and which has been withdrawn by the Lancet publication, it would be a more interesting discussion.  (Plus other hit-piece studies.)

Finally and not least, I'm somewhat ashamed of our crypto 'community.'  I still remember the days when we were a rag-tag group of clear-eyed thinkers, trying to use our knowledge to help bring about a better world.  Today, with BTC near $50K, we have been brought into the winning alliance.  Now, maybe we like the world order, and maybe we worry about losing our place in the winning alliance.

But, trust me, no one lasts long in the winning alliance.  Like the average Western citizen of the postwar era, we will soon be booted out of it, whether we 'behave' or not.  And probably much sooner.  The only thing that is lasting is the truth, and the truth is our best weapon.  Let us not forget.