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All Christian Countries Got Fucked!

All Christian Countries Got Fucked! Why, because all the muslim countries now helping Azerbaijan against Armenia but the Christian Countries including UK are now sleeping.

You are unable to understand the truth, this is not a war of two religions but of two countries, so how can you say that all Muslim countries are helping Azerbaijan.

If I'm not mistaken, all countries are trying to stop this war, certainly some countries are helping Azerbaijan, such as Turkey.
on the other hand, Russia is helping Armenia.

Honestly, I don't see any fault in Azerbaijan. because Nagorno Karabakh is part of Azerbaijan and Armenia should not interfere it, If Azerbaijanis want to gain control of their territory.



In addition, I see that the Armenian media is accusing Pakistan of helping Azerbaijan, while there is no truth in it. You can read it yourself ^{Here (http://tribune.com.pk/story/2266643/reports-of-pakistan-army-fighting-alongside-azerbaijan-speculative-and-baseless)}

Lately, I'm seeing quite a lot of threads being opened in Serious Discussion, that in fact belong to other subboards.

For instance, I'd kindly suggest this one to be moved to the Politics & Society subboard.

Some OPs seem to presume that the fact that their rank allows them to post in Serious Discussion, implies that the quality of their posts is sufficient for this board.

It doesn't.

The only christian country is the Vatican. I think you mean western european democracies. I think you are brainwashed just by thinking in the same terms of the feudal kings of the XIII century. One day you will wake up to understand how are you being played.

I fail to see how what's happening between these two countries affects any country where christianity is a dominant religion. Perhaps you could elaborate. As I see it, those who got fucked, as usual, are the non-combatant people of the region where the attacks took place.

hahaha, you don't read the news, you just believe in HOAX...
Armenia and Azerbaijan have long fought over land. that land is the oil line. so do not associate the war between the two countries as a religious war.  >:(

Countries never helped the other nation people based on the religions, muslim countries didn't even talked about when millions of Muslims died in the wars so its just for the political benefits ot to save their religious people.

I don't understand what the UK has to do with it, this is not a region of its interests at all. In addition, Armenian Christianity is only partially similar to Byzantine Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism and, of course, has nothing to do with the 30 million Protestants living in England.


As for the formation of religion in Armenia, they adopted Christianity as an official religion 1700 years before the emergence of the Vatican as a state.

This is truth about this conflict which is OP not trying to understand and trying to have some religious factor its all about oil and last which is nothing new its going on for many decades and this will be not going to end in near future because greediness is killing all of us with this all.

The OP has the right point, but he doesn't state the whole story.

Christian countries are wealthy, now, because they fought over the centuries to promote God. They fought hard enough that God rewarded them with wealth. God rewarded the people with freedom. Then they started forgetting Him, and have forgotten Him in many ways.

Islamic countries were never fighting to promote God. They say they are, but they promote Allah. But, you will say, Allah IS God. "Allah" is the Islamic interpretation of the word "God." One problem with this thinking is that Muslims who speak perfect English, and translate Islamic writings into English, almost never interpret/translate "Allah" into "God."

What does this show? It shows that they believe that Allah is not the God of the Christians.

Over the years, even though lots of wealth came to a few Muslim leaders, the Muslim poor people have remained poor as ever. Many of them don't wear virus masks, because nobody among them think they are important enough to give them mask commands.

Christian free poor are considered to be worthy of masks by their leaders. So they are forced. Because of this forcing, the Christians are made sick by the masks, while the poor Muslims remain poor slaves who remain healthy. Why? Masking and lockdowns are way more unhealthy than Covid.

What is really happening is God is punishing the Christians for turning away from Him, and for not converting more Muslims to the true faith, the Christian faith.

Muslims: Jesus was a great prophet.
Christians: Jesus, together with the Father and the Holy Spirit is/are One god.

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If you say like you, China and India are two countries with many followers of Buddhism. Why do not they shake hands and dispute. National issues, I think should not use beliefs to speak. Though it does have some impact.

All christian countries got fucked but now most countries are asleep churches in the churches of anhui jiangsu hubei and zhejiang provinces have already been demolished following instructions from administrative officials. Some people in china have condemned the state's crackdown on other religions many countries around the world have spoken out against china's occupation of the christian and muslim minorities.

I don't understand and what to do with what everyone says on this topic. because I really don't like that religion is brought into the arena of enmity between countries that has nothing to do with religion. religion is religion and it is sacred and cannot be translated into an understanding of the politics of a warring state.

Do not even bring the sanctity of any religion into the conflicts that occur between countries because seen from the state sector is adhering to a certain religion. it cannot be done and there is no religion that teaches conflict of any kind.

I don't know, this seems like a very simple view on the escalation between Azerbaijan and Armenia. First of all it's not a war in the country of Armenia. They are fighting on Azerbaijan land where Armenian people trying to create an autonoumus state. Its actually not supposed to be part of Armenia.

Also Russia and Armenia have a defensive pact, if Armenia gets attacked Russia will automatically join the war.

I would prefer Russia as an ally in a war over UK any time.

There are no Christian countries, they are all secular. Yes, there are "Muslim" countries since religion and politics is intertwined unlike "Christian" countries where there is separation of Church and state. So you can't expect these countries to dogpile another's enemy like Muslim countries do sometimes.

As for the issue between Armenia and Azerbaijan, apparently Nagorno has always been populated by Armenians and Azerbaijan hasn't governed it for decades so it would be unjust to tell Armenians there to just "leave". IMHO just let it govern itself (which is what it seem to be doing anyway, regardless of what they say in Baku and Yerevan).

Countries now are more lenient on the benefits they will get economically and politically, that is why we see Muslims fighting against Muslims Christians fighting against Christian, times have changed now they are more on territories and economic gains and they can do cooperation regardless of what religion their counterpart have.

Aside from the few countries that consider the area their backyard, namely Russia and Turkey, it seems not a lot of countries are really getting into the fighting, at least not out in public. They could be sending funds for all we know.

I do understand why OP is getting this impression though since Muslims do have a tendency to gang up against others if they are not fight each other.

Best time to change the religion to save the as*
Don’t be Christian I think?

Why care about religion in the first place? Most of the developed nations are predominately Christians, but you also see that number of Atheists is growing rapidly over the last 50 years. With increasing wealth the value of religion becomes less and less important. I mean honestly, going to war over some books written more than 2000 years ago seems crazy today. Under developed countries behaving like in the dark ages. It's just sad and we must stay above them, because in the end it's just a few rich people profiting from those wars. 

Really? It's already 2020 but you still divide people based on their religion? What is it, you stuck in the Middle Ages?

true, this is no longer the time to return to religious issues that must be resolved, religion is sacred and beyond reproach. If there is a problem in a country or anything, do not always have to do with religion, it is not appropriate to confuse problems in the name of religion.

I think people go to war in the past, because they have no internet, today we have internet, do we still need to go to war? I think war never stop, it just change to psychology war, mental war, the strongest mental make the profit, yeah it’s still all about profit, no money nobody will want to go to war.

I think religions have nothing to do between Azerbaijan against Armenia because Azerbaijan and Armenia are having a territorial war years ago, that is why you are mistakenly making non-sense about religion. I know there is also a war between Christians and Muslims in middle ages, but it was already over and settled that they should treat each other equally. So move on.

One of the reasons for the opposition between the two countries is religion 95% of the people of Armenia are Christians. Where 98 percent of the people in the neighboring state of Azerbaijan are Muslims. the Muslim state of Azerbaijan in Asia is very angry with the religion of the Christian state. But then it is back to normal so that no one can take away the freedom and peace that we as Muslims and Christians enjoy.

This is no a world war that everyone should jump in and play their part. War is not a solution for anything and its good if the countries are not getting involved in this. I think the focus should be to release the tension between the two countries rather than turning this into a nuclear world war.

Don't compare any other religion with Christianity. All religions have their own rules or laws or their own point of view. Christianity is a true religion of ethics, it teaches you to help the poor, do for good while other religions do not have these kind of teachings. Be a true Christian.  

You are 100% right, We've forgotten the Jesus. The so called "secularism" is the biggest enemy of religion. It was just promoted only just because everyone can live with peace, but people do not want to understand this.

Around 100 years ago, 30% of the population of Turkey was Christian (mostly Armenian, Greek and Assyrian). Then the Ottomans massacred all the Christian minorities there. Now less than 0.1% of the population is Christian. On the other hand, the proportion of the Muslims in the former Russian Empire (up to 1917) was lower than what it is now. The fighting between Armenia and Azerbaijan is an extension of the Armenian genocide of 1918. The Christian population is declining due to massacres and low birth rate, while the Muslim population is increasing due to high birth rate and immigration. Now the target is Armenia. The next targets will be Georgia, Southern part of Russia, Cyprus, Greece and Macedonia. Do you think that Erdogan will be satisfied with just Armenia?

Title correction...


All Christian Countries Got Fucked by Their Own Governments!


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I must confess I have very little information about Christianity. But what you say is in Buddhism, which directs people to become better. There is no right or wrong religion, what matters is whether it is right for you or not. Why do you believe in one religion but not another. That is about religion. Do not take out a personal number to judge a certain faith. I appreciate that .

well as u already know that land is a long disputed land between Armenia and Azebaijan.

At this point no country like to go on war due to economical crisis. They cant afford war.

Can't understand the relation of the title with your stand. What is the relation of War to religion?
your argument seems to be flawed either way that you are expecting "Christian Countries" to help other countries in a war as they are also having struggles on their own.


You really have a strong sense of beliefs that I can't comprehend tho. I am wearing masks since I was a teen for I took care of my grandparents and mother in the hospital, but I see no clear signs that I am unhealthy by any means. I also do workouts even I am wearing masks cause I don't necessarily feel out of breath or whatsoever during those times. SO I can't think of any way to promote not wearing masks by being it "UNHEALTHY". By the way, you have your ways of promoting your beliefs in unmasking by relating it to religion, huh.

Another thing, there are different religions and respecting them is part of being true and, a better practice of those said religion. So blaming other religions for the demise of the other is not in any means related for what you believe. Instead, this pandemic or anything that you claim is a natural occurrence as we are always in state of ENTROPY.

I also assume that religion does not do anything with this. The Jihadists were made by Kingdom of Saudi Arabia with the support of Israel. They destroyed everything, every single religious place. How they ruined the humanity it is now obvious.

If I would be the president of UK or any Christian country you are saying, I will of course avoid to interfere with the dispute of other countries. What benefit would I get from if in the first place, none. Remember that there is no winner in war so I understand if every nation choose to be a neutral one.

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Sorry but I bare to agree bro. You already said the word "natural occurrence", do you think the current pandemic happened was considered a natural phenomenon? I don't think so. I don't know whether the virus was made in the lab or not (but there are claims so it might be true tho) but one thing is for sure, mankind made an error that's why we are all f*cked up today. I don't believe that the virus just popped out from nothing or a produced naturally. Therefore, I won't consider it as a form of entropy.

Christian have the spirit of giving in any where in the world compare to Muslim who like to give to their Muslim people in the country. Christian country are more develop than Muslim country that make some people to like Christian with their quality behavior they always carry out any where they go. Christian make sure love lead in the country so that the poor can also be value in the community. I think Christian are good people who fear God than any other thing in the world.

Two countries over disputed territory, it's all there is.  They could really both make this territory a business area where both countries could benefit but they chose to fight over it.


I don't know where you are from but you should look at the difference between Christian and Catholics. Its obviously the Catholic that has the pope and influence over countries to which since the dawn of time, Roman Catholic had killed many lives even wipe out races. Which religion was it that was preached by the conquistadors from Spain?

I quoted natural occurrence to pandemic, cause I refer to the virus itself, and not the natural occurrence of a pandemic in the society.
Technology rises, society grows, industries also grows, and for me, I consider it as natural occurrence, same with the detection of new viruses as we expect it to come someday, somehow. This is not that unexpected, what's not unexpected is for it to grow into a larger scale which was not what I mean for my phrase. So sorry if my phrase misleads to something else.

Aside from that, claims of the virus to be man-made had been already rejected by most researchers and scientists in the different nations. The most recent whistleblower who claims that, already retract her statement regarding that issue.

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2020/09/13/Coronavirus-China-virologist-says-COVID-19-man-made-wet-mark-claims-false (https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2020/09/13/Coronavirus-China-virologist-says-COVID-19-man-made-wet-mark-claims-false)
^Link to the whistleblower
https://www.newscientist.com/term/coronavirus-come-lab/ (https://www.newscientist.com/term/coronavirus-come-lab/)
^Link to why corona virus was not man-made

Catholics have sided with Muslims in almost all the major conflicts. For example, in the Balkans (Bosnia, Kosovo, Krajina.etc), they were in alliance with the Muslims against the Orthodox Christians. Historically, European Catholics have regarded the pagans and Orthodox Christians as their main opponents, and have formed opportunistic alliances with the Muslims. And in many cases, these "opportunistic alliances" ended in a very bad state. For example, look at the current state of Catholics in Bosnia.

The case with Armenia-Azerbaijan is similar. Muslim countries such as Turkey and Pakistan are supporting Azerbaijan, just because the latter is Muslim. On the other hand, the Christian countries refuse to support Armenia, because they belong to a different sect.

I don't know, if you go back a few hundred years the Muslims and catholics were fighting in Europe and the Middle East. In current times most western countries don't try to fight based on religions. There are usually more issues to war than just religion, I would argue the wars usually take place because of economic reasons.

In the Armenia-Azerbaijan it's actually not Armenia at war. It's an automous region within Azerbaijan than is inhabited by Armenian people. The land is international recognised as Azerbaijan. So if Armenia would actually be at war I am pretty sure there would be countries come and support them.

Is obviously in the middle of the two countries. Conflict like this happens all over the world, the recent was with China and India too. Amy of them can initiate a peace talk and refresh agreements. When a country has a new ruler, this new ruler will usually have another view of things and sometimes vary from the previous ruler or presidents where the agreements between countries were signed.

The religion somehow is going to be used to heat up. For it to be fixed, they have to show who's got the power. Whatever the outcome, there will be deaths.

 

I would rephrase the statement like this: for the western nations, economic interests are more important than religious solidarity, while for the Muslims nations that is not the case. Anyway, no one can ignore a country such as Turkey, which is such an important economic power. Even Russia don't want to support Armenia (despite historical connections), because Turkey is a major trade partner for them. Recently Russia sold S-400 systems and other defense equipment to them, and also the Turkstream gas pipeline runs through Turkish territory.

But the problem is that Turkey and its proxies will keep chipping away territories from the Christians. After Armenia, the Azeri populated regions of Georgia will be the target. And after that the Russian Caucasus will be up in flames.

Muslim stuff is the least of it.

The Bible says in Romans chapter 13, that Christians are to obey their government. Then it explains that God is their basic government. Then it goes on to explain that the secular government is their government that God has placed there over them. But it never says which secular government, and how it got to be their government.

The only way a government is the government over a Christian, is when a Christian agrees to it... following the age of majority.

If there is a hostage situation, and the captors say, "We are your government. Swear an oath to us as your government, or die," the choice belongs to the hostages. They can maintain their old government, or they can choose their new government.

How in the world did any government become my government... and prove it? The churches explain about gnats and camels, "You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel," but they avoid even suggesting anything about how to determine which government is yours, and how you got into the position of being subject to it.

So, it's the churches that are way worse than some Muslims.

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I agree with you that there is more community between Muslim countries than there is between Christian countries. Europe is a great example by that, the east and the west are so divided, there is no harmony or community between these countries.

The problem with Armenia is that the region they are fighting in is internationally recognized as Azerbaijan. It's a war not between the country of Armenia and Azerbaijan. If Azerbaijan would invade the land of Armenia that Russia would have to join the war, they still have defensive pact. And if Turkey would declare war on Armenia they would likely be kicked out of Nato.