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Its involves the big companies want profit also the big dark people who need lounder their btc Everybody want big as possible %
Right now the price of btc is 10k.

So we have here 3 main  partners.

1. The lounder bad persons.
2.  The middle-men escrow and well respected person or organisation between deal.
3.the lounder company.

I guess that the profit sharing will be 60% for middle men and loundry company / Institution*

And 40% to dark people side*

That means  the Dark people want at least to get 15k -20k If they sell it.
The middlemen 30%
The loundry company / Institution 30%

It means the btc price will go more then 20k coz
The middle men and loundry company/Institution want profit also If they buy with 20k
So they will push the price up to  35k. About then they get 60% of the 20k+ 35k


This is just theory,  as Everyone have their own Vision and opinion, what you guys think?  :)

Thats the most crazy/ridiculous theory i've read.

1- bitcoin is not about money laundering. I dare to say that only a small fraction of BTC is connected to illegal activities.
2- price does not go where majority wants. It is driven by supply and demand not by wishful thinking.
3- all numbers in your theory are just guesses.
4- criminals using bitcoin (and other parts of money laundering) are mostly not traders/investors, so they are avoiding currency risks. They will not wait for bitcoin reach 20k to profit.
5 - damn... do i really need to say more?

Yes, I agree with you because recently most of the people and company are  believes that cryptocurrency . Thay want to profit more and more . recently Square Thursday it bought 4709 bitcoin, worth approximately $50 million. This is huge  movement to bitcoin. i hope bitcoin touch 14k on this year.

If they spend 50mil they want at least double profit.
The rich people Move big money Only to get more money

This account and the OP seems have connection. The way it gives me headache everytime I read there wrong grammar and incorrect spelling as well as the thoughts of there statement.

This money laundering and whatsoever middleman. Price drives because of speculation on the future of BTC. BTC is a billion dollar market cap so the figure that you are mentioning will not gonna give a huge impact on the price unless they use a market order to buy/sell that amount of BTC.

Why do those "dark people" or "dark company" will risk the money that they've stolen to buy it for bitcoin with the price of $20,000?
Why not now? LOL.
You always surpises me with your theories.
You moved into this board huh. ???

Try to take a look to his previous theories recently, most of the time he is making theories on the Economics (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=7.0) board.
All I can say is he is making theories out of nowhere.

Because they might want profit.
The Dark people they sell for bux to just companies who then will sell it to people or the Dark people are share holders of the legit companies so they earn legit income
But all this process not cheap for them so I guess they take btc Price Up in Order to make it worthed for them

you have proven time and time again that you have very little understanding of economy and now you are here in this board to prove that you also have very little understanding of bitcoin market.
but you keep creating these strange topics that make no sense at all. now i am not sure if you think you are creating FUD or just a very misled person?

Every investor make their investment with the hope of profit and they are not different from others. This type of huge investment always put positive effect on market and more investors join the community with same hope. Already we are experiencing bitcoin price shaking after getting the news of 50 miilion investment on bitcoin.

I don't think without ponzi platform owners no one can expect 2X profit just in a way you described. Will you please mention actually from where you are collecting this kinda prediction about bitcoin and creating post here or just trying to play with community users with your self made price predictions.

Just checked your trust page and i can tell that you are getting all inspiration from your ponzi promoting experience.

Of course people who hold large amounts of bitcoin want its price to go to the highest level so that they can maximize profits. However, they cannot decide the price of bitcoin, the price of bitcoin is determined by the community according to the law of supply and demand.
And the fact that whales can freely push prices up to 35k is impossible in today's market.

Not if their goal was to preserve wealth in case fiat money collapses, as some signs appear to be indicating given the current administration attitude to money printing and pseudo-universal wage "contingency".

You still view bitcoin as something to "make money from", this is not what Bitcoin is about, at least not 11 years later. You could do that in the beginning by trusting a completely new and untested project, but not so much anymore. Literally all of the altcoins wanted to recreate this, but failed; because the novelty of being recent born has already passed. Its the time for maturity.

The main attractive to bitcoin is being able to keep wealth should the world economy collapse (again).

As long as the Chicago school of economy remains dominant, bubbles and crashes will continue. It is a fundamental issue with the way the powers that be see economy. You must switch to the Austrian school to put a definitive end to this endless cycle of accelerated growth and then collapse. With Austrian economy the growth is slow but steady, rather than fast and furious.

"The Hare and The Turtle" if you will. Can the world economy collapse? Yes, because it sticks to the Chicago school dogmas, one of them, the fear of deflation, fractional reserve banking, credit expansion debt based economy, etc, etc.

With the Chicago school you get in debt to grow, with the Austrian school you save to grow. Think of the implications. Also fractional reserve banking is a legalized ponzi scheme bomb waiting to happen, and the sole reason a "bank" can fail.

For the most skeptic, getting into Bitcoin now means at least a form of diversification, "just in case". Ignore it and you may later regret it all your life. Forget about getting rich overnight, its now about not going poor overnight when a politician decides to "lets print some more"; oops, hyperinflation happened you all are poor now, its the filthy rich fault... (no, it was YOUR meddling).

See the value of money uncontrolled by the State yet? No one can change the rules of Bitcoin. But politicians can change the rules of fiat ANY time. You strip them of this power, when you switch to Bitcoin. "Don't trust".

Hey hey hey take a breath man. First of all whatever you are saying isn't even a theory. It's a conspiracy theory which isn't even backed by any evidence. If these so called lounders and middlemen were so strong then why weren't they acting until now? Why didn't they act this way from past 2 years. There is nothing like a good opportunity for them now.
Moreover what you are saying can happen only when all these participants sum up to 60% of market and they are working in collab with each other. Otherwise if price moves up a few lounders will try to fetch little profits and will be out of the game and will not push price further north. Oh man why am I even explaining this to you. It's pretty self explanatory market working?

Ok, so how did you know that those on the "Dark side" would want 15-20k as profits? Is it simply an assumption, or are you perhaps part of them? Cause without any basis, it's simply an assumption that holds no foundation. Just from that, we can actually stop talking about this topic already. Add on to that, if we assume that BTC price is being moved by how much one person or even a group wants to profit, then why isn't BTC at 100k already? Not just what you so call "Dark Side" want to profit, everyone who owns BTC wants to, so why haven't BTC moved to said high price then? Just from that, said theory of yours already has a big hole in its reasoning.

I don't think too serious or too complicated as you. What I want is simple. I want to make more and more bitcoin while I still have time to do that before bitcoin price starts rally to the higher price. Let people do their own speculation or conspiracy and say anything, but we don't have to affect what they say because we need to focus on making as much bitcoin as we can.

But I am curious who is the dark people but never mind, perhaps, you want to say that the dark people are the whales. But I believe that the bitcoin price will be more than $20k, even though I don't know when that will happen.

I don't understand how did you come up with that idea having those factors who will make the prices up. Those "respected" people you are saying might make the markets shake a bit with words that they say but they don't have fully control of the market.

If you understand the term decentralization, whether all of them combines, they have no way to make it move the way they want. As long as the majority including us, won't sell at any point, demand's gonna rise as much as it can.

Just wondering why you are constantly creating Multiple post almost everyday?

You have created more than 30 threads in last month and just this month even we are not passing the middle yet you made more than 15 threads.

Is there something we missed on this because being Thread starter like you that gain 5 negative trust is still actively bringing new threads?

Those you mentioned that hold large amount of Bitcoin are representing the community because if 5 or 10 of them will share force to make the market price move is possible that is the reality in crypto market.those who are called manipulators.

People are forgetting that bitcoin is not as anon as you might think it is. Obviously you do not have to make it follow to you personally but the money is traceable still, it is just not traceable to you but it is to where it was and where it went. So at the end of the day, we are talking about not that much money can exchange from bad people to good people.

I understand that because of the nature of bitcoin you think people can do it, you have created a million topics here about all the silly things, which shows you have no idea what bitcoin even is, but this one is very wrong. If there was any person who bought like 10 million dollar worth of bitcoins and launder (not lounder) money, that money would be tracked and would be seen where it was and where it went.

Lounder = Launder.

You have a great theory but also a wild one.
That's some high-class imagination you got there.   ;D
As if you are talking that bitcoin is just all about money laundering that the market will react in a snap of their finger when this called "money laundering" companies and people do something about it.

What do I think about it?
No, it's not like that.

I think this summarizes everything, of course for use it will not be misleading, but for those newbies, this could be quite confusing to understand (literally). I think he is not creating any FUD, but just spewing ideas the really doesn't make sense. For average joe though, $20k-$40k might be a selling point, not all their bitcoin but maybe just to get their first profit. And the OP just make things complicated, like middle man, laundry money and such and connecting it to bitcoin to fit his narrative.

We came here to make profit, so let them be and beside we can’t stop them from buying more bitcoin since we are seeking for mass adoption as well so rich people are very welcome into this market. Bitcoin will end this year on a good price, I’m actually expecting bitcoin be on the level of $15k this last quarter and go even higher early next year.

I think we can make a profit too, besides the whales, as long as you can use the opportunity to buy low and sell high. I don't care about what the whales did, even if they manipulate the price because I think we can follow the whales to make a profit. Many people will have a different vision of bitcoin, and we have different target price to sell bitcoin. I agree that the bitcoin price can go up to $20k.

spooky

Well said so dark money been washed price of btc 35 exacly

50 millions $ is just a chicken in the market movement , how can you expect this would be a Huge Movement ?

Did this purchase even make the price of bitcoin move up or down?

if you have a Great timing and instinct ? then there might be a chance to make good profit , or if you can stand longer and wait for the Pump .

but if this will be your bread and butter then the chance is far different from what op is portraying .

I have to check the dictionary to check what's this lounder word you are using, so you mean it's money laundering, I don't think money launderer will have a big share of the price movements, they can and are always traced, now that we have many institutions coming, authorities are setting up parameters to track and minimize people who are using Cryptocurrency to launder, money laundering is not a new term it's been used so many times on fiat, I don't think these launderers will have an advantage using Cryptocurrency. 

Money laundering in crypto can't be that huge and life changing because bitcoin is not truly anon and if you have bitcoin, you need to spend bitcoin as well, if you do not spend bitcoin and want cash? That means you will have to move your money from one place to another and turn it into fiat, how do you play on turning hundreds of millions of dollars worth of fiat without getting caught? Even I can name you all the ways you can get caught and that is very important.

We are in a situation where price changing because of a movement requires maybe a billion dollars, so that kind of money moving from crypto to fiat will be asked, from KYC to many other things and that is why I think it is impossible for someone to do that kind of amount in money laundering without getting caught. Obviously there could be smaller numbers but those numbers do not change the price neither.

Money is power tell me who will go after big dark people ?
If they zip the nice wines and luxury life and enjoying the art gallery visiting and collections they probaly known people ... they got probably a lot money ....
So who dare to go against them ?
I dont think anyone will

Money laundering with Bitcoin? LOL

Is that supposed to be some kind of retro FUD humor attempt? Why not mention kiddie porn, drugs, and terrorist financing?

That's so 2012-2013.

 ::)

There so many wrong spots in your opinion, so maybe it's better and best if you learn about what Bitcoin is. So you will know the fact of Bitcoin
Do you know the ATH of Bitcoin? $40K and this will keep increasing.. Money laundry?? LOL

BTW You don't need to against them, you should focus on yourself and enjoy your life

Polo7 is right from the beginning of this discussion. All he named were actually accumulating large sums of "non traceable" btc with transactions in several years, dark ways, and that became a big part of btc community, remember. Now they are players with a major part to "communicate" with other legal parts to deal with, let it be Musk, Gates or perhaps not, or someone else, we are here not to judge; in common, to gain more, for investments, or for paying up all between...With "arrangements" it can be accomplished everything, that money can produce, but not health; when doctor needed, as I saw with a letter from Joker’s Stash, on Covid19, and he is now closing, after getting better. And no one is immune to that. I only wish I could have a "doctor" for my 5.66 btc that was stolen, for years now and to hope; even with legal prosecution, nothing on horizon to be expected. Seems to be "in higher leveIs" there previously mentioned. Crypto, where is legal, should be regulated with chargeback in case of being stolen or on frauds. To Joker’s Stash i appeal, for a future should change his pseudonym, turning his plate (sure also not to be caught), just to helping on someone like me to retrive my stolen btc back, just for his fun and with his knowledge to fun with authorities.
Have a good time.

This is life men !
Mafia is hiddden but mafia can not use their money if they dont legal face
The instutions we can only guess wivh one
No proof
But somehow all this lambos and expensive property...


I dont mind but when i ask job 20$ daily here people only joking
People make bilions a lot of money and they can even give jobs for small guys .

Well i will hope they drive car crash with their lambos !!

If i see how much money but i cant get even 20$
Wtf


Im jealous very jealous !

You are right; but I am not jealous, strange; If that makes them happy on over sized...just them to be able to live...let anyone chose for himself; but not on other peoples burden. Headache on first and vice versa.  And it is fair for me also wanting back, what I have with little and over time invested, but on fraudulent means stolen from me. Not anyone elses I want, just need back what is mine. If it is fair for them, than it should be also for all; that is life. So, or I will get my btc back or they will got down eventually; because things evens out when playing around...there are certain rules on that level, that can not be ruled out, just because are not at someones will. Staying optimistic and sure not to hope to start all over with 20$, fairly and frequently, and years go by, and finally get ..... off. To invest in yourself is way better.

There are no more good Samaritans to help me; I will have to remember; everyone that (did not) helped me; Just; be aware, that until btc will be regulated, (it is not yet time), as there are many potentials, is not to become as such; for the profits yet to gain; btc will go down to 8k and below, than bulls to 90k next move in years to come; ...perhaps than regulators on the move, and no more big profits. Wish you best...

For me, bitcoin is a core asset, the concept of investment will certainly be a benefit and the range of% interest is generated regardless of type.  I'm not sure what the dark people would think, but bitcoin is really important and the opportunity to own is an organic impact, not fish farming, but a decentralized community, but also a neutral.  with others.  And you are probably still monitoring the bitcoin price for the time being.  Your theoretical problem is about the slippage in the trade and the opportunity to make a profit for the stock to take profit.  I wouldn't encourage myself for a non-axial and recessionary theory in rigid investing.