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its been said many times but think its worth a topic of its own

the current phase 3 vaccine trials are not going to complete before christmas.
they are going to go on for most of 2021

there are 4 things they are looking for
a. if the vaccine causes adverse illnesses/reactions due to vaccine itself
    (should get some results in 3 months)
b. if the vaccine actually triggers the immune system to respond to its pathogen
    (should get some results in 3 months)
c. if the vaccine does/doesnt cause and long term adverse illness/reaction
    (should get results 6months-2 years)
d. if the vaccine prevents reduces the chance/risk of getting covid again
    (should get results 6months-2 years)

so america's media stories of 'we will get a vaccine soon' but when quoting which trial. for instance astrazenica has a trial timetable of expiring in july-october 2021
yep no results before december

yes they will know if its harmful or not in of itself. but not if its actually a vaccine or a placebo

so if anyone is thinking they will get a vaccine by christmas and that vaccine is actually going to make them immortal from covid.. forget it.

the reason why its 6month-2 years to actually find out if it can actually protect against covid. is because its against all ethics and morals to actually purposefully inject someone with a virus that is of known deathly consequence. so people have to get it the old fashioned way. from other people

so what is happening is trial participants are selected as the groups that not only smart and sensible to not be knitpicking complainers about every little time they stub their toe on a object and blame it on things. but also their career puts them naturally in proximity risk of getting covid naturally. and so its just waiting it out for them to get it by normal community spread.
yep this is why teachers and healthcare workers are part of phase 3 trials.
and for emphasis. all we will know before christmas is if the vaccine has caused any negative issues from the vaccine itself.
finding out if it actually protects against covid will be mid to late 2021

. i say this and i hope people know this. so they are not shocked and start saying the health/experts/vaccine creators/government/media lied.
no
just idiots like trump lied and over promised things before christmas

The good news is, if the trials aren't completed by the end of 2021, Covid will have naturally dwindled almost into nothingness on its own account... just like SARS did by 2005.

But do you think that will stop them from giving us the vaccine? With the amount of money invested, these vaccines will be marketed, even though the danger of the virus will have diminished considerably by then. Some countries may make it mandatory to get the vaccine, or they may ask you to get it for certain things, such as travel.

I'm not a scientist or medical professional. As I know about making a vaccine, it will actually take time.

Not just months, a year but it should actually get into several test even after the phase 3. There will be some symptoms or side effects that will come for those testers and if found, they have to modify it.

But for next year, it could be the best and quickest that they can give with assurance. For this eoy, yeah, you're right. We may get some good results but still not guaranteed.

Clinical trials takes years. This doesn't fit the timeline you mentioned. The fact is we don't know how long they're going to take because the CDC is expediting the process, for obvious reasons, and they're not going publicly release the stipulations of clinical trials. CDC director said we'll see vaccinations middle of next year, that isn't even putting in a dent in the average 6 or 7 years it takes to complete clinical trials of a drug. This isn't a matter of ethics, cutting down some red tape in order to put out a safe vaccine is necessary during a pandemic. I don't know what the alternative is.

thing again. they actually have the trial applications and they have the dates in them

astra zenica says october 2021 for instance
here is the thing

previously phase 1 would take a year. and then a few months to survey the results before concluding.
then phase 2 would be a year. and then a few months to survey the results before concluding.
then phase 3 would be a year. and then a few months to survey the results before concluding. thus 3years 9 months. usually
this is called consecutively trialled. (one after the other)

this year.. the covid trials are concurrently(side by side)
where as long as each trial passes the 3 month 'adverse reaction' test. they can move to the next trial. but while working on next trial they are still monitoring the previous trial

That means 2022 should be the perfect time for the phase 3 trial to be completed?

Nothing will stop them from giving the vaccines to the public world wide in order to enrish their pocket, but many people would have been infected and would have developed immune response naturally. But, no matter what, most of the vaccines would have passed the phase 3 by the middle of next year, 2021 or fourth quarter of next year and will be availabe to the public.

Then in 2024 we hold a Constitution Convention, and let Trump have a third term, in office.

Then in 2025 people start dying in droves from unforeseen complications of the Covid vaccine.

By the end of Trump's third term, the country has been reduced to 10% of its size.

As Trump is leaving office, people are so angry with him for allowing Big Pharma to kill all their relatives off, that they hold a Con-Con to have him executed. Before this can happen, Trump finally gets the Covid vaccine, and because of his age, and because he is so stressed by the state of affairs of the nation, he dies from the Covid vaccine unforeseen complications in weeks, thereby avoiding being executed.


You can't tell what is going to happen down the road from the vaccine. Since Covid is dying off already, the vaccine is totally unnecessary. If you study it, you will find far more problems and deaths from vaccines than from the disease they were trying to cure.

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EDIT: Bill Gates becomes President.

and the funny part is.. only badecker has been trying to promote chemicals manufactured by big pharma.. its in his profile footer

anyway
the 6month-2 years is based on how long it might take for someone to get covid again in another season through natural community infection and how their body handles it.
the astrazenika one is going to go on till october 2021
which is over 1.5years from their phase 1

so all you trump loyalists thinking its october this year.. nope sorry. trump lied to you

what they dont want to see is anyone hospitalised due to anything that has triggered their immune system severely. or caused other issues. whether it be vaccine or new season viral cause
obviously if its vaccine triggered hospitalisation. meaning the vaccine caused adverse reaction.
obviously if its new season viral triggered hospitalisation. meaning the vaccine doesnt help the body become immune/fight it effectively

the people in the trial are not being left alone for a year an then ask them after 'how was your year' but instead they are monitored regularly and can pick up on problems if any very quickly during the trial.
which is another reason for the concurrent trials. it cuts down the admin time after the trial by doing the admin alongside the trial

The sad part about this is if this issue wasn't entirely swamped with political bias, it would make the rolling out and administration of he vaccine so much easier.
Unfortunately, the way the media covers the vaccine plays a massive roll in how many people will actually take it and how effective it will be. Because of the pressure the government is facing to roll out the vaccine, I wouldn't be surprised if people are hesitant to take it at all, especially if it feels rushed. I mean, people still won't get their flu shots because they think it causes autism for Christ's sake. The widespread distrust in our government and our media will really show itself in this upcoming roll out of the vaccine, and I don't think it will go well.

Shocking to see how something that effects us all equally still finds a way to divide us and cause tension, when we all want the same thing.  :-\

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/health/johnson-coronavirus-vaccine-pause-bn/index.html

Clinical trials by Johnson and Johnson stopped due to one volunteer having unexplained illness.

This is a GOOD thing. It means transparency, and it means that no safety measures will be cut in producing a vaccine. My only hope is Trump does not tweet something stupid about clinical trials being delayed.

What's a year? They might have lived to 95 if the vaccine hadn't killed them off 20 years after they were injected.

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The effects of the virus are so great that all vaccines are becoming ineffective clinicians and physicians in all countries have almost failed. every clinical trial says that it may take two to three years for the virus to be completely eradicated by 2021. If an expert or technician has to do research on a vaccine or medicine in our country then the research team will first create a good protocol. They will submit that protocol to the Medical Research Council or BMRC will give ethical clearance. It's a step.

there will always be problems that will occur if a vaccine is to be carried out because there are still many people who ask about it and clearly can understand and be understood by all. because the vaccine that will be used for what purpose !!

But I got the news that in my country the vaccination will begin in November this year, because the vaccine is already available and the main priority is for medical personnel and the state defense apparatus then for the public.
As far as I know the vaccine that has been tested and successful is to provide additional immunity to the body so that it can fight covid-19.

Because there is no clearer information, I can't confirm what vaccine will be used in November. maybe when it is approached the time will be given clear details and can be understood by all.

Clinical trials are not the answer alone. Statistics are a big part of the answer. Statistics show that Covid is going away right now. Then, a vaccine will be introduced, and will get the credit for something that is happening naturally. The vaccine will actually cause more, different diseases so that we can have more and different lockdowns and pandemics. Then, as the new disease is going away, another vaccine will be introduced, and will be given credit for killing this virus.

Vicious cycle, all based on lies, so that Big Pharma makes money.

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badecker. the vaccine does not recode cells. it does not mutate anything.
it just is a pathogen that the body recognises as something not meant to be in the body and so your body then deals with it. and then remembers what to look for next time to deal with it faster and easier by knowing what way to deal with it works best


i know you keep refering back to 1950's 'dirty vaccines' propaganda that were filled with lots of stuff. but modern vaccines are not filled with junk. and there is 99.999% surety that the junk in the old vaccines was not causing issues in people

do you know why
because before 1950 the average age of a person was below 50, now due to modern medicine its above 70
before 1900 it was 35. so as you can see medicine actually makes people live longer.

you should be more worried about the processed foods as a cause of why people are not living until 100

if you want to pretend that modern medicine is killing more people. then you are just not looking at the science. and instead looking at the fiction

anyway. the J&J news that gyfts linked just goes to show they regularly check up on trial participants and they act as soon as just 1 participant has an illness.
they pause the trial while they investigate if its caused by the vaccine or if its just a illness from another source/cause.

old vaccine trials would not interact with participants as much and would wait until a cluster of cases formed before deciding that is a vaccine cause. and review at the end of the trial whether they should go to next stage

so this shows they are acting and reacting fast and responsibly and safely.

they pick participants that are not idiots. to avoid false-complainers and distracters. so this is why teachers and healthcare workers are the criteria. as they would be more reliable case subjects to review regularly. which is another + for these trials compared to old trials

Thanks for the info, franky1. You could write history books, couldn't you?

None of what you say has anything to do with a 30-year future delayed adverse reaction to the present vaccines... any vaccines.

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none of what you said has anything to do with any vaccine

^^^ That's the exact point. We won't know for as long as 30 years regarding the new vaccine.

Regarding some current vaccines, and some from the past, we have evidence that they cause all kinds of abnormalities, including autism. Some of the autism victims will still have some or all of the autism effects of their vaccinations 30 years following the date they were injected. Some vaccine autism victims are almost 30 years old - https://cdautism.org/. Maybe some are older than 30.

The point is, a 30 year safety test done right, is sorely needed. The Covid vaccine isn't needed, because Covid is already dying out on its own just like SARS did.

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You all know that SARS is definitely weaker than COVID right, with only hundreds of known death due to SARS compare to a million of deaths caused by Corona Virus. You can't just have a conclusion like that just because they are both "VIRUS", the intensity of both the viruses are very different from one another. Also you must take account of the total no. of cases that both viruses affected. As of today, there are about 38 million cases of corona virus, tabulated in the world, in contrary with Sars with only a few thousands in the world. Ergo, this virus won't just "dwindle into nothingness" by the end of 2021, unless there would be a proper equity distribution among the nations according to the no. of current cases.

^^^ Actually, we don't know that SARS is weaker for several reasons.

The Covid death count has been so extremely skewed by vast amounts of incorrect cause-of-death reporting, that there is no way to determine if we are even near the truth in Covid death counts.

Because of the way Covid deaths have been counted in the Covid pandemic, we are finding all kinds of mistakes and downright lies in the count. The only reason we don't know if it was the same with SARS is that we weren't expecting bad counts back then at all. Now, it is difficult to go back in history to find out if the death-count games were played back then, and which direction - more or less - they might have been played in.

To top it all off, there isn't any clear reporting that there even is a virus in the way people understand viruses. Consider. The same snippet of DNA in the so-called Covid virus, is just the same as a snippet of DNA in Chromosome 8 of every cell in the bodies of every person in the whole world. In addition, there is purportedly an exosome expelled by the cells of our bodies that looks just like the Covid virus.

This all being true, most of what we read about the Covid virus is really not known to be fact at all!

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again because you seem ignorant

the chromosome 8 is the rna used to separate out human stuff in the sample. its not used to test if they have covid at this separation stage. they do not put the human stuff through the process that then tests for covid

its like having a jar of different candies. its easier to find out how many of a particular candy there is but first taking out the parts that are not the one you want to look for

learn Human Specimen Control

Let us say, we remove half of the reported cases for covid, then it is til far more worse than the SARS, moreover, Covid is still spreading, while the count for SARS has been deducted to specific amount since it has been already tabulated in our history for more than 15 years.

You said that " it is difficult to go back in history to find out if the death-count games were played back then, and which direction - more or less - they might have been played in. " yet you claim that it is same with covid. The fact that you acknowledge that there is a possibility of a misplay in the count of the SARS before, definitely means that the final tabulated cases in our history can be false and go down by hundreds. Besides, we are currently experiencing the pandemic, and I can conclude that this is real, there are shear amount of virus affected in our neighborhood, thus results to our lockdown. It is only in our NEIGHBORHOOD. What we are talking about is the whole number of cases in THE WORLD.

None of that matters when you check the Covid DNA, and it turns out to be just the same as a strip of DNA in Chromosome 8. It's time for you to start thinking rather than playing the medical game. Well, maybe not. You have had a long time to start thinking. Why would you start now?

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your quoted me. but didnt read what it said

its like
Bad: gravity is fake
Frank: gravity is real its why you dont float away
Bad: ignoring you, gravity is fake coz i found 1 man out of 1bill that says its fake

atleast read whats said, examine it. research it. dont just keep spouting out nonsense of 'fake because fake and even if you prove real, fake because fake'

you just look like an ignorant idiot

if there are hundreds of thousands of doctors. hundreds and thousands of nurses, hundreds of thousands of lab/specialist say its real do to first person hands on experience and each having reports and studies they reference aswell

you finding just 7 people with no first hand experience that say the opposite does not make that opposite true

it just makes them 7 a group of idiots
even if they have 1million other idiot followers. does not sway the reality of the world it just makes it very visible how many ignorant idiots there are

yes you might be in a idiot demograph of 7million people following 7 'entitled' people spouting idiocies. but atleast recognise your ignoring over 7billion other people and just circle jerking 7million idiots.. based on 7 people not 7billion

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last note
one paragraph you say its fake, not real. then you say its just sars1.. then you say sars1 dwindled out and sars 2 will also..
well if you really think there is no sars2 then there is nothing to dwindle. so why so upset??
reality is your just a troll you know sars2 is real and making many millions sick and 200k american deaths. but you just cant comprehend that its not a patriotic gun loving american thats doing the killing so you deny the deaths causes.

im pretty sure if there was a game where you shoot at 5 people and out of them. 3 are injured and you whisper to them to play the same gun loving game. maybe then you will be more open minded to the amount of harm it can cause
especially after 4rd round of the game with 81 injuries. 1 dies

maybe then you might think twice of the risky games you play.
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so lets get some answers out of you
if there was a game that if you are injured by gun fire. you can shoot 5 other people
would you:
1. be an idiot that does it. and not care of consequence
2. atleast think about who you should and shouldnt harm
3. try to reduce the risk of injury by reducing your shots aim
4. stay home have no contact and just heal and avoid shooting anyone