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We all have been told by the admin of the forum to promote constructive posts and positive criticism. This is the way theymos wanted to help newcomers to learn about cryptocurrency. This is also one of the reason why merit system was created to motivate everyone to contribute help and meaningful post for the forum.


Newbie attitude towards posting replies and making thread.
Many users here especially the newbie are interested and and wanting to learn about cryptocurrency. The interest usually grow resulting them to participate in the discussion making posts and replies in the application of the learnings they learn about cryptocurrency. Yet,  they are newbie and most of their posts and replies can be distinguish because of the half bake information being provided by them that shows generic or off topic replies and most of the time are type of misleading or confusing posts. This usually happen when newbie learn a thing but somehow manage to learn a little knowledge about a certain topic and then integrate that little knowledge in their replies and the result is shit posts. Thus, make it funny sometimes to read that other users here will making rude replies on them.


But what really other members has becoming?
Because of newbie attitude as mention above that they had gone shit posting of making replies (even if they aren't sure about it as long as they can increase their activity) that for them is alright. Isn't it?  

For newbie, NO it is not alright to make posts just to increase activity and just will make reply even if it is off topic or just a generic reply. This will make other users getting pissed off with the newbies resulting to rude replies and becoming bully. However, there are users that are actually bully already even from the start. It is in their attitude and there is nothing we could do on it unless they wanted to change their attitude towards other users here in the forum. What I mean a bully users are those who make rude resulting to negative criticism.


Negative criticism forum atmosphere
How could we promote when were so good in making negative criticism and making atmosphere of the forum not conducive for learning?
Whatever you are, whoever you are and wherever you are we know that each of us can contribute to crytpocurrency, to bitcoin, and to the forum itself may it be a newbie or high rank users. We always talk big to learn all things here in the forum before earning but we had missed something and that is our attitude towards constructive criticism.


What is constructive criticism?
It is a helpful ways in giving feedback, providing specific and attainable suggestions, give specific recommendations that could be easy to work out. Constructive criticism could be a strategic way for us to achieve our goals and that our objective is we want more users to learn about cryptocurrency by making it more into positive atmosphere towards learning cryptocurrency.


Benefits of constructive criticism,
All users here can get comfortable to ask questions in their posts, making a request from other users or help, and also more confident to give feedback to others base in their learnings and or experience. Constructive criticism is a way for us to understand other users and meet their expectation towards betterment here in the forum.


Reminders,
* This is why I would like to remind every users to promote constructive criticism that could change the coarse of learning about cryptocurrency.

* This post also should remind the newbie and to raise awareness on what are the proper way of making posts and replies.

* It is not proper to make posts just to increase activity by making off topic or generic replies, make it more sensible and put ideas that other could learn on it.

* Newbie should not be bullied instead they should be directed or reminded most of the time from negative behavior or wrong doings to change towards making quality and decent posts.

* To follow how decent post that has been created like to those reputable legendary rank users. I know some users I always look up in their replies like @DdmrDdmr, @Jackg, @Loycev, @CryptopreneurBrainboss, @cabalism13, @Charles-Tim, @fillippone and others that are too many to mention.

* To always abide the forum rules and regulations as another guide to make a constructive and decent posts.


Lastly we had to respect other users here remeber the poem Desiderata? that even the dull and ignorant they too have their story. To all newbie that has been also experiencing getting bullied change your attitude towards constructive posting habit. Make sure that you are aware and completely understand about the topic you will making the reply. But whenever when you still get bullied stay cool and do not forget that you are only doing the things you think you will be able to learn but mistakes is inevitable so we have to adapt and learn from it instead.

Well I have nothing against to some users but I am wishing all the best for newbie and low rank users towards their endeavors in learning cryptocurrency.


What do you think? Will constructive criticism work?

Correcting and offering advice is the proper way to respond to people who show a willingness to change and learn. I can see that English is not one of your strengths. But it is good that you are trying, keep it up. If I can offer you some advice, it would be to try and correct some of the mistakes you make when you are writing.

There is one easy way that you can use to improve your writing skills. Have a look at Grammarly > https://www.grammarly.com/
You can add it to Chrome or use the online app to correct your mistakes. It will check your entire text, highlight the mistakes, offer corrections, and assign an overall score. Many of the options are free.

Your post got a score of 58/100. The closer you are to 100, the better it is. Try and correct some of the mistakes with Grammarly and see how it changes.

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Perhaps I do not read this topic much, but I have not met anyone here who can be called rude. You've spent a lot of time creating such a great post, but I assure you that newbies won't read this. Most of the newbies who post merits and bounty here daily read very little. Look at how many topics about the same thing. How can you say that they read something?

As for the fine soul of newcomers, this is a forum, and people are all different, we cannot change that. The longer you are here, the more you understand that you need to respond correctly to any criticism.

"Thick skin" is a very good piece that allows you not to seem so weak and helpless. To be literate in cryptocurrency, you need strong nerves, since all crypto assets are risks. And those who are able to endure and move towards their goal achieve success.

When I joined the forum, I recall being negatively impressed by some profiles, that often responded with harshness to some other forum members that were recent additions (not restricted to Newbies though). Not being much accustomed to forums myself, I found it rather contrary to what I’d encounter in other technical ones, where I‘d place the odd set of questions or answers in a collaborative spirit.

Personally, I’m more aligned with a left hand policy than a right hand one, and find it much more constructive. Of course, if the counterpart is being and asshole, one is likely to bash-in and dance around in a kangaroo fight for a while, but when one is honestly trying to learn the ropes, and this is where I figure the OP is heading towards, I would convey that it a constructive approach might serve a better purpose.

A positive critique of a users post will pretty much make that user better, if only they are here to understand the Bitcoin network and other whatnots. But in all honesty, humans will always have a different approach when passing an appraisal, though the harsh method does little to correct the faulter and hampers such person from additional efforts going forward.

That being said, as long as a users isn't a spammer or one that's only in btt to join campaigns, they should be corrected in a positive manner, you'll be surprised that as time passes by, that very user could end up an asset to the community. But mind you also, when you're here to learn about Bitcoin, whatever treatment you receive is somewhat inconsequential, as long as you avoid threads filled with too much drama and concentrate on topics to garner knowledge, you'll have little or no problems. And another solution is: just grow a 'thicker skin'.

Constructive criticism is not always 'nice', a user can call the reply of another member a shit post for example, it sounds rude and upsetting, but it can be applied in certain situations and still be constructive based on the post being referenced. I personally prefer to reply as nicely as possible (although sometimes it's not always the case), but one cannot expect civility on the internet and should be prepared for negative comments, newbies would need to develop a tougher skin if they're going to join discussions on a public platform.
Gravitate towards posts and users who encourage you and filter through crude replies to pick out advise which could be useful.

I also know how much encouragement can go in making a newbie better, when I was still in that rank, I cherished virtual thump ups from other members, DdmrDdmr was one of the first members to merit me here and also to commend on the little progress I was making then, this spurred me on to try and contribute better and view the forum as a community which I was a part of.

I agree with you, users on the forums have different characteristics, of course, also in providing suggestions or criticism. But of course we actually have a good habit of giving criticism or suggestions, and that must be applied everywhere and in this forum to make it better. These habits are like:
1. Say it politely
2. Use sentences that are easy to understand
3. Give reasons that match the topic being criticized
4. Don't feel that you are the best
5. Give a solution every time you criticize

This forum is having different kind of individuals who can range from both extremes of helping them to clear everything to just make a troll of them and its their natural behaviour. I do support the constructive critisism idea and I always try to do in that way hope everyone can help others instead of just trolling them.

When a criticism is not taking in with -thought to the criticized-fault, turn-good-  can be said a troll.  trolling do happen, if many experts non-experts  criticize -a worked post- elements that can make them all trolls on that exist not.

Criticism may be a failure, mis-conception but constantly doing this irritating thing on a single person can be trolling.

Thanks man! This is one is a constructive criticism directing or poitining out actions which is attainable. A piece of adlvise will always be better to make a change. This is forum after all and all we want is a better place for discussion.
Well, I only encourage the newbies and I think as  a member of the forum seeing them not following some rules then raising awareness like this even in just title will somehow make a change. Constantly raising awareness could be a possible to make a change in this forum. This is also I wanted to emphasize.

Yes, I agree but still I do believe that it could make a change by constantly raising awareness to all newbie and low ranks.

Well, not all things will going to work with constructive criticism but I find it way better than being rude in making replies. Take a look of the post above by @Pmalek that is how constructive criticism is all about and it is up to me if I will going to take that peice of advise or making other ways to improve.


After all this is forum and whether newbie will going to realize or not there will be a time that constantly raising awareness can make a change. The forum can be a better place with how we will going to respond in a posts.

Sometimes you just can't do constructive criticism. If you want exapmples look for threads where some individuals defend Craig Wright. When you read their posts all you can do is respond with sacracsm or non-constructive criticism because nothing constructive is going to come out of saying that a liar is not a liar.

I say that both constructive and non-constructive criticism have their use and should not be avoided. It's important to know when to use each of them.

On point, constructive criticism could be widely applied in the forum but not all times that we can think of always making a  constructive criticism. Thus, we can't also allow other members that are making fun of the forum by plagiarism or other deeds violating forum rules and regations. These are subject for sanctions and like plagiarism it would be permban so no need to make constructive criticism on posts that are not helpful but destructive to the forum. Constructive criticism may only be applied on posts that needs improvement which is based on your assessment to that posts.

Love this thread as I have always been an advocate of constructive criticism. The way we response to newbie will either break or make them. I always used myself as an example, the respond I got from @LoyceV years back (when I was still a member ranked user) about him meriting my posts only if I was willing to change got me working on myself and today the story is positive. Assuming he just we in criticizing me and all that, who knows I might have been discouraged and probably left the forum, meaning all others stuff and have done won't have come to pass.

He is one of the users that are very good at this act as I have also seen him used it on another user (can't remember the username at the moment) but it got him (the user) to change his writing style from capitalizing all the first latter of the words in their statement. I have tried it several on many users and have recieved a positive feedback.

Knowing how to do this isn't that hard, as the name implies be constructive when you reply even though you intend saying something negative. Make it that the user will see it as a challenge and decide to change their bad habits.

Criticizing the trolls means we are feeding them so they will come more and kore so better avoid replying such post will make them to fade away.We are talking about the potential newbies who needs some kind of appreciation for their post in the right way to make one of the best poster of Bitcointalk.

We will definitely not feed the trolls,

And we will going to support the newcomers as what you had mention to become better poster here in forum. We always wanted new guys to be better not like in those times without merit and rank system for it was not organize and people only do what they think is right mostly making lots of generic or spam posts to create high activities in the forum for them to rank up not mindng the result it could take. The result was shit posting all over and was becoming a major problem. Now, it seems a little bit of change and we were heading towards a better forum for cryptocurrency discussions and that is all we wanted here in the stay of this forum.

Every one here at one point was once a newbie. In my opinion I will think it wise if newbies could be well guided and encouraged as well. No quality post started the first time each and everyone of us made pur very first post. This things grows with time and gets better with consistency, nevertheless you made a valid point and I see it as a means of letting every newbie to do proper research so as to make satisfactory posts which adds value both to the members and the forum itself.

The first time I joined this forum and created my first post/topic, I was amazed at some members who replied on my topic, they are not rude and they give me some of the good advice that I can use to make myself better in this forum. I cannot say that all of them are doing constructive criticism because there are still some members who will become rude and misunderstood what you are trying to say, instead of being sad because of those comments, just ignore them and focus on the positive one or better make those negative criticism as your motivation.

We are all same people here, we don't need to make such rude comments when someone created false information, they don't mean it, try to approach them in a good way, we will appreciate those things. help us(newbies) to become better and not to make us feel that we are too late for joining this forum.

I will never do this thing, whenever I don't understand the topic, I always tried to read some comments that will help me to understand the topic and I also do searching that may help me, there is no need for us to make spam just to increase our activity, it won't make us a good member of the forum. It is better to rank up in a good way or you feel that you did not do something bad just to increase your rank(activity).

You just made a very nice thread that we could look upon while taking our baby steps in exploring the world of cryptocurrency.
As a newbie, I haven't experienced those negative criticisms personally, but I often read in different sides and threads within this forum that a lot of newbies were  just seems to be bullied with their posts with the higher ranks. I spend a lot of time reading in different sections here and I felt so hesitant at first to post because I was thinking then that I might be bullied and I need to be very careful. But then, I gain the courage to posts and it goes out smoothly, and that really made me so grateful when my 4th posts was merited by a Legendary Rank. The first merit that I received really made me so inspired to make more quality posts in this forum and even cast away my fears in posting. I even realized then, that I could contribute more in this forum. I believe that no matter how hard the journey in deeper learning with this crypto currencies, as long as we have the will to carry on, eventually, we will gain more knowledge base on our own good and bad experiences and the shared ideas of the others too. Negative feedback, bullying, criticism are really difficult to bear if we took it seriously. Human behavior comes naturally different and there are lots of insensitive people scattered everywhere, that we just need to ignore. However, we can make all these negative things as our stepping stone to move forward, to be the best and reach our goal.

It will work and it should work we have one motive and goal here and that is to learn and and promote Cryptocurrency not all of us have the same thinking on how to address so many things about Cryptocurrency and about the forum, I never give negative feedback just based on her perception and his belief we are learning here and we correct misconception on subject that deserves it.

By all means point out glaring howlers but hardly anyone takes that stuff on board. People have to learn for themselves. They may never figure out why they're not progressing. Most humans don't want advice unless it validates the choices they've already made. That's how they roll.

There are enough examples of non shit posters to look at if you want to try and improve without anyone actively guiding you. Most aren't interested.

But I've also rarely seen posts criticised unless they're incomprehensible. If your post is crap it will be ignored and die a quiet death in the forest.

It's not only newbies I'm already high ranked but I'm still learning a lot of stuff about Cryptocurrency and forum posting, I still got some of my posts deleted and received a ban, it's not really about the rank here, you can be a newbie but an old posters from other forums, you could be better when you are still low ranked and I have seen low ranked with good knowledge, about Cryptocurrency and many subjects related to Cryptocurerency, I have high respect for this members.

Some people never wanted to rankup because they don't want to join in signature campaign that is why we can see some trolls all over the forum who is trying to topics which has no purpose other than encourage people to post spam and reluctant post that kind of posters also should be ignored for forum betterment.

I am into constructive criticism, but we have so many mix of personalities here, and we do not know how every posters reacts on every post here, there are some posters that cannot restrain themselves from criticizing other posters, we are guilty one time or another here because some posters are getting into our nerves especially these scammers in the forum.

This is something I often notice among newbies, they are scared to disagree with people, so they end up always making posts that just fully agree with the statement that they reply to. But what's the point of a forum where everyone agrees with each other and repeats others thoughts?

So don't be scared to argue with someone here, even if it's a Legendary member, no one is taking such things personally here, just try your best to back your statements with facts and reasoning so people could properly respond to it.

That's the way posting must be ,sharing our deepest thoughts and our opinion in manners depend in our attitude and moods.
But what is important are those advises we gave are valuable and may help the OP understand what he is asking for .
Well scammers are really part of this forum and you let yourself being affected by them deeply then you will be the loser.
remember that scammers are proof about the community is healthy thats why they are around.
There is nothing to be afraid for as long as you know what you are saying and understand the conversation.
and this is a good advice to not only newbie but the whole community.

Newbies should also voiced out I have seen a lot of newbies that are knowledgeable, they should call a spade a spade, we have diverse personality and we come from various beliefs and tradition but we are bounded by one belief and goal and this is not confined to high ranked members, we should agree to disagree and keep the discussion moving and correct.

Well said, the merit system has turned many newbies into ass licking individuals just do they can get a taste of what it feels like to recieve the merits. They shy away from the truth just so they don't get picked on. I was affected by that mentality too when I first joined the forum and became more vocal. My whole perspective change after I saw so bold set of lower ranked members airing their views and not getting attacked instead encourage with smerits. The ranks doesn't reflect your knowledge in any topic been discussed.

I have seen topics wanting reply from certain ranks just because they feel they'll be more knowledgeable but instead the lower ranked are those giving the discussion a purpose as they're contributing constructively in the topic of discussion. Another mentality we have to disassociate ourselves from is that of viewing higher ranked users posts as more quality that the lower ranked without actually reqqadinqhar both users had to say.

Yes, exactly. After all, this forum was made for discussions and discussion means:
With that, one doesn't have to always agree with everything that is being said here. We all have different point of views and perspective that's why it's normal to disagree sometimes. Also, remember that there are things that you know but others don't, and there are things that others know but you don't.
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Well, if your intentions are clean and you just mean to constructively criticize a post or reply, it's now up to the person how he/she will take it. If he/she will take it as a discouragement or as a challenge is completely up to them. If he/she wants to improve, he/she will surely take it as the latter.

This is one of the things I believe while growing up. We all have different experiences that is why knowledge can't be measure with age all the time. Old people can learn from younger ones too. That is why knowledge is different with wisdom. Same thing with ranks here, we all have different experiences and different skills, work, and expertise in life. I disagree sometimes with many posts here and I do express it so we can have a healty discussion on what is really right so both of us can see each others perspectives. It's normal. And one behavior of a good person, leader, or whatever you want to call it, is the ability to always learn. We should keep learning and it never stops, even though many people already said that you are the most knowledgeable person here in this forum, there is still a thing that you can learn from someone here.   

Well I'm still new to the forum as i was just recently introduced because of altcoins bounties and so far i have just a few activities apart from those related to bounties. From my little look around, i can conclude that this forum is the main place for learning and following up with happenings and i told my self that all these users with high level rankings were all in the same rank as i am in presently. As a newbie, i feel bad to read what OP has written regarding the nature of criticism in the forum, i will love to see that engagements between users is carried out with respect and dignity for one another irrespective of there rank or level of technical know-how.

I see a lot of shit-posters and Newbies/Jr.Members just writing anything to get their hands on some merit.

The replies are so generic and stupid that I become compelled to write a reply myself and call them out on their bullshit.
But halfway through typing my reply, I realize they probably don't even care or ever read it so I end up not replying at all.

I can also tell from experience that people don't take negativity or criticism well, especially newbies who will most likely be alienated from the website if someone calls them out.


This is a tough one because people don't take criticism well. Especially if multiple people call out a person he/she can feel like they are being ganged-up on, it might cause resentment with that person.
But that also might be the right approach because you weed out the "bad people" in the process.

What you can do is maybe add option to report the reply as a shitpost so some Legendary members and members who are held in high regard can take some time to check out the post and deal with it accordingly.
Either by replying to the post, giving - trust points, maybe even taking away merit if the member is being obnoxious.

Constructive criticism goes a long way and it does boost confidence most times. I remember i had wanted to joined the forum way earlier but was relunctant as I'd seen alot of complains about the higher rank being bullies and rude to lower ranks. As a matter of fact, i haven't had that horrible horror moment yet.

Sometimes newbies are really newbies even in crypto space hence they have no idea how anything works, no idea there are rules to follow hence won't even look or ask hence they post spamming stuff. Get trashed and get banned even. I have personally been reading alot more than i post since i joined the forum, trying to learn how it works and how to avoid trashing the forum with low qualities.

My point being, if everyone could give constructive criticism to low rank members when they shitpost or make off topic replies, it will enable us learn and improve. My 2cents  :)

Here is prime example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5287411.msg55540776#msg55540776

I made a post and this is what someone replied. Makes no sense.

True, and I gave constructive criticism to only those who I felt need it, not to those users who are just shit posting, I tend to ignore them. We all know how a post looks when its just shit post. I also believe that for a constructive post to be seen as a constructive one, it should be written with respect and with zero disrespectful and sarcastic tone, just pure constructive criticism.  I've seen a lot of users replying a good post with 100% hate after correcting the OP, it won't feel good specially if the OP is newbie and just starting to learn about the thing. We can always reply with sincerity and knowledge without the stinky attitude.

I think we members of the community should approach a reply in a nice way not just by being rude especially to newbies, in a motivational way wherein they will be encouraged not discouraged, let's be honest but some of us reply to a post in some way rude, remember that when we are like them, we did the same mistake and some teach us what to do in a nice way, the point here is that no matter if he or she is a newbie I think we approach everything in a nice way because we make an impact on what we say, it will affect a person if we are rude, I'm not saying that it's bad but we don't know if they have other battles

I'm always correcting if I think there's something wrong with their statement, constructive criticism is a must on this forum. Being rude is a wrong thing, I don't want to be rude to those who make mistakes since I've been in that position when I'm starting in this forum. Also, to the other side, they should also accept if someone is giving criticism on their statements, they should think that they've said something wrong or offending to someone.

Same goes with me, I don't give attention to those post that doesn't make sense. More likely a waste of time if I gave criticism to those post who aren't really valuable.

Many newbies are already scared of posting or making comments on posts based on the strick rules that governs the forum and the reports that is been done occasionally on default users and suggested for a ban. So, once a newbie get some form of criticism that comes off rather negatively, it reduces their self esteem and scares them. With a built up tension, a lot could go wrong.

I recall a time when I was just starting to create topics more frequently, CryptopreneurBrainboss criticised my work article and said, I'll just quote it here;
Even when I choose to wait a while, he persisted for an immediate effect and I responded by doing the necessary. Just like that, a positive character is built and instead of discouragements, you get encouragements. That's the way positive criticism works. So, it's best to help new users by criticizing only positively.