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Hi all,

I am reaching out to all DT members to please check my case:

A few days ago I gave a negative feedback to the user SiNeReiNZzz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=251328).

https://i.imgur.com/1ROwzgv.png

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=251328

My feedback was based on this reason:


Why is this user in DT and not banned from the forum? SiNeReiNZzz is a plagiarist and I don't buy his excuses. He tried to clear up his post and added a source later on. Moreover he gave some lame excuse that he used the text some years back in university when he wrote an article about the topic. Obviously nobody was able to verify that and I don't believe him. See the archived post for full information.

For my feedback SiNeReiNZzz gave me a revenge feedback with is a obvious trust abuse. He is also insulting me:

https://i.imgur.com/ubHZFlO.png

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2383451


My question to all DT members is: Why am I the person who is getting a negative feedback here? SiNeReiNZzz is a DT2 member and his feedback seems to count.

https://i.imgur.com/xHYUBqz.png

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=SiNeReiNZzz

He clearly deserves to be out of the DT circle and a red trust for his plagiarism.

Dear DT members please help me.

That dude is on DT?  I'll have to take a look into that.  This quote from the other thread struck me as a load of excuses and victim-playing:


He's been here since 2014 and doesn't know how serious plagiarism is here?  If what you say about this account changing hands, I'll be happy to give him a red tag.  And yeah, I'm not sure why he hasn't been banned already.

Jesus Christ, does the DT list have zero meaning anymore or what?

Oh by the way, OP:  the feedback he left for you was not appropriate IMO and I'm going to exclude him from my trust list. 

The feedback left by SiNeReiNZzz is an abuse of the trust system in my opinion, trust feedbacks are not a way to get back at other members whether or not you were wrongfully accused.

Red trusts is not the penalty for forum offences, such offences are moderated and should be handled by the mods, in extreme cases where a user poses an immediate threat to the community (like when an account is hacked) red trust can be used to warn other members, I however do not think it should be used in cases like this.
Did you report the post in question to the mods? This usually draws their attention faster than posting in the report thread, you should note that cases are handled individually and other factors go into the final decision with mods allowed to use their personal discretion when handling cases, so it might take a while for a decision.

The account changed hands several times and just woke up to participate in signature campaigns...

https://i.imgur.com/QMCwecZ.png

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=SiNeReiNZzz

Now he post in german (see recent posts...)... in 2016 he posted in pilipinas....

1. The feedback you left on his profile wasn't also necessary IMO. If you are appealing for proper usage of trust ratings. Then you should lead by example by not misusing it. What you would have done was report the perpetrator to the mods for plagiarism or make a report here on Reputations board about his wrong doings and members would help you out on the way forward

2. His feedback is unwarranted as well and there's no reason to trust this person. I see he's already on DT2. I am considering distrusting him. This is not the way negative feedback should be dished out.

This is part of his trustlist. Might help pain a picture on why he is on DT2

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0).
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/).

I've excluded both Jeremy Franklin and SiNeReiNZzz. This fixed the DT2 red rating that was inappropriate, but so is red trust for plagiarism. Plagiarists should be reported to moderators. Even if moderators disagree with you, it's not ok to use the trust system to enforce forum rules unless there is an actual trade risk involved.


SiNeReiNZzz was recently added to DT2 by YOSHIE, whom I don't really understand 90% of the time so I don't know what's going on there.

I'm not sure what that "manual recovery previously queued ownership change completed" means from BPIP, nor do I know how much weight it has as evidence that the account changed hands.

So he's currently posting in German and used to post in the Philippines section, right?  I have those sections on ignore and thus couldn't see his posts when I checked his history.  I'll un-ignore them and go back and take a close look at his posting history.

If any other members (particularly DT) care to weigh in, I'd like to hear some opinions.

thanks, I remove my negative feedback from SiNeReiNZzz. I only gave it because my report for plagiarism is unhandled for weeks.

It means the the owner was able to prove that the account is theirs (e.g. via e-mail address ownership, or a signed message) and regained access to their account, which was presumably hacked but I can imagine that an unscrupulous account seller could also steal back a sold account this way so it doesn't really prove much. The message itself comes from seclog (https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php).

OK, I looked at his post history and saw that he started out posting in German and English sections, then switched to the Philippines section on July 30,2017, then switched back to German on May 13, 2020 with what looks like an account recovery post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2357744.msg54425319#msg54425319) (I can't read German).  That's definitely not enough evidence for me to tag him for account selling.

Look, I've tried to explain to you more than once in peace and quiet.
You come here, if at all, once a week to the forum and (at least lately) you tell me things that don't comply with the forum rules and you keep telling me that I am a plagiarist and a spammer.
Thats not fair...
I haven't tried to cover up anything either, that's nonsense and easy to to trace, because EVERYTHING is in the place where it has always been and I have provided more than enough explanation

Well, let it be your opinion.
It is your right to THINK what you want...
But do you think it's your right to continue to put me on the pillory, even though it has obviously already been decided?

I see it somewhat differently... I think no!
And when you finally realize, I've made a statement about it, that I did something wrong and that I should have paid more attention to this matter.
And that I have deeply regretted it and still do...
I also wrote with a mod, who told me, that i reacted well to it, but that i have to wait, because such things are always decided in silence.
And either it happens within the following days and I am banned, or even not! Especially with "higher ranking members", they look deeper into the history, and weigh up whether (I in this case) is a good or bad member, and if it makes sense in the future to give me ONE second chance... thats what I've understand!

I never wanted to create a negative TRUST against you, but you have taken the first step. (By the way, I've only been DT2 since few hours)

And I am also prepared to remove this again! Really...
But please, don't be surprised that I did this too, after you just won't leave me alone the last days and weeks, and keep making accusations again and again...

How much longer do you wanna do this?

Your accusations are all aimed at harming me badly!
And you think I may not fight against this...?

It's a done case, and if you have nothing better to do, than to face against decisions from the mods/admins, I can only consider you as malicious...
Because you are trying to do nothing else as try to harm me badly!

Of course I resent you, because I have not done anything to you and I don't want to do anything.

You stop it and behave yourself like an adult, then I would like to do that too very much.
I certainly have no ill will towards you... as you against me!

But you probably can't see that people can do something wrong, stand by it, regret it seriously and be forgiven (because I think you can clearly see that it was just a one-time mistake).

You don't know why the mods/admins decided to do so. (me neither, by the way)
And they will certainly not tell anyone, I'm sure!

But of course I was glad when many, many days passed and I was told that I could breathe deeply
And then YOU came and simply declared me to be YOUR enemy!?

Sorry, but this is not fair....

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As I said I have only been DT2 since last few hours, I am aware that it has a different effect now.
I will remove it in fairness.
I definitely do not want to abuse this power!

But I would find it unfair if you all distrust me now...


Yes, the first part, quite correctly identified.
I think the Team who work on Account Recovery make several checks to be sure
It took me a long time to try again, but thanks to old e-mail duplicates, that have been in my inbox since 2015 (the time when the account was still in my possession), and some other checks, I was able to prove beyond doubt that I am the real owner!

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[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

Yes, because you don't want other people to report your posts.


If this is true, why is my report still unhandled and not declined? You are not my enemy. You are breaking the forum rules.


You don't know how to use the trust system properly and you find it unfair that people distrust you? are you serious?

Good luck getting him banned again. this idiot https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5278980.0 has been getting away with ban evasion for like months now.

 ::)

Thank you @Jeremy: You have managed to spoil everything for me here.

That's too bad. But what should i do, its okay... then Guys, then make sure I get banned.
Although I still think that there is a reason why I have not been banned until now...
I can also do without these soap operas, and live on without this forum.
A absolutely pity, really...
This all makes me feel extremely sad, but probably it is desired here to be done so.
Than i will do so and accept it with a heavy heart...



I hope, that you feels good about this...
You have reached your goal, thank you!



Because I'm really such a bad person?
Although you don't even know me...

dont make this personal. you broke the rules when you plagiazed the text and I called you out on it and you didnt like it.

also there is a difference between you and me. you tried to get in DT for weeks. just see your trust list on bpip. you added 5 people every week and you gave positive feedback to half of the forum for basically everything. you were obviously hoping that someone trusts you back that you get in DT.

I dont care if I am DT or not. I just dont want to get negative feedback by a plagiarist like you.

This thread further solidifies why I distrust suchmoon who is not consistant in who they execute with DT distrust or negative trust feedback (if they were they'd've distrusted everyone on my own trust feedback page that has given me negative distrust (which is retalitory) along with the majority of DT distrusts against me (again which are retalitory against me).

I don't believe that The Pharmacist or suchmoon should have given DT distrust as quickly as they did - their time line is very early in this discussion and now SiNeReiNZzz is simply going to be sore towards at least three users.

That's not an admonishing or either The Pharmacist nore of suchmoon, rather The Pharmacist asked for other DT opinions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5282523.msg55394428#msg55394428), and I am am giving my opinion.

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My opinion on plagiarism is that it is disproportionately severely dealt with in this forum protecting scammers over use of other's words.  Admin turn a blind eye to ban evasion but the nuke hammer comes swinging down on plagiarists. 

[quote author=Jeremy Franklin link=topic=5282523.msg55394800#msg55394800 date=1602895715]
dont make this personal. you broke the rules when you plagiazed the text and I called you out on it and you didnt like it.

also there is a difference between you and me. you tried to get in DT for weeks. just see your trust list on bpip. you added 5 people every week and you gave positive feedback to half of the forum for basically everything. you were obviously hoping that someone trusts you back that you get in DT.

I dont care if I am DT or not. I just dont want to get negative feedback by a plagiarist like you.
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It's funny how users in their low 100's activity can get DT to jump, especially hours after the target of their accusation has only just become DT2:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob870a81f1a82e1790.jpeg

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[quote author=Jeremy Franklin link=topic=5282523.msg55394800#msg55394800 date=1602895715]
dont make this personal. you broke the rules when you plagiazed the text and I called you out on it and you didnt like it.

also there is a difference between you and me. you tried to get in DT for weeks. just see your trust list on bpip. you added 5 people every week and you gave positive feedback to half of the forum for basically everything. you were obviously hoping that someone trusts you back that you get in DT.

I dont care if I am DT or not. I just dont want to get negative feedback by a plagiarist like you.
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This post is another reason why I don't become involved in an plagerism threads.  The OP should (in whatever the original thread they posted in was) post their findings and allow the admin/mods to do their jobs.

Instead, the OP has turned it in to a name calling spat which I don't find very worthy of someone wanting to be taken seriously as an investigator of anything.

[quote author=theymos link=topic=5095156.msg49140832#msg49140832 date=1547057006]
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All that being said, I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have. Also, it's best to make your own custom list, and you must do this if you want to be on DT1.

I am never completely tied to anything, but let's try this for at least a few months and see how it works.
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@Jeremy Franklin needs to understand that @SiNeReiNZzz can make any list of who they do or do not trust.

It's not relevant to a "discussion" on whether or not someone has plagerised.

[quote author=Jeremy Franklin link=topic=5282523.msg55394677#msg55394677 date=1602892286]
If this is true, why is my report still unhandled and not declined? You are not my enemy. You are breaking the forum rules.
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Well... your responses in this matter make me think you're willing to have a spat and then play the victim card.

Just in this thread:

You first post:

[quote author=Jeremy Franklin link=topic=5282523.msg55394219#msg55394219 date=1602885483]

He clearly deserves to be out of the DT circle and a red trust for his plagiarism.

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Your third post:

[quote author=Jeremy Franklin link=topic=5282523.msg55394436#msg55394436 date=1602888941]
thanks, I remove my negative feedback from SiNeReiNZzz. I only gave it because my report for plagiarism is unhandled for weeks.
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Your fourth post:

[quote author=Jeremy Franklin link=topic=5282523.msg55394677#msg55394677 date=1602892286]
If this is true, why is my report still unhandled and not declined? You are not my enemy. You are breaking the forum rules.

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You don't know how to use the trust system properly and you find it unfair that people distrust you? are you serious?
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...and your fifth post:

[quote author=Jeremy Franklin link=topic=5282523.msg55394800#msg55394800 date=1602895715]
dont make this personal. you broke the rules when you plagiazed the text and I called you out on it and you didnt like it.

also there is a difference between you and me. you tried to get in DT for weeks. just see your trust list on bpip. you added 5 people every week and you gave positive feedback to half of the forum for basically everything. you were obviously hoping that someone trusts you back that you get in DT.

I dont care if I am DT or not. I just dont want to get negative feedback by a plagiarist like you.
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as I said playing the victim card in post five.

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I tried following the link (https://books.google.com/books?id=wH10DwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=such%20automated%20systems%20must%20be%20coordinated%20with%20the%20mandatory%20standards%20at%20national%20and%20international%20level%20(such%20as%20formal%20requirements%20or%20restrictions%20on%20liability%20for%20damagessuch%20automated%20systems%20must%20be%20coordinated%20with%20the%20mandatory%20standards%20at%20national%20and%20international%20level%20(such%20as%20formal%20requirements%20or%20restrictions%20on%20liability%20for%20damages&f=false) given by Jeremy Franklin as being the source of the plagerised text,

using the red highlighted text:


but Google could not find that text:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blobab9f7617accd2ed9.jpeg

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob89cb7aa6be91b1af.jpeg

Perhaps this is why the admin/mods are taking their time verifying the assertion made by Jeremy Franklin?

It's on page 323. You just opened the preview...

No.  I followed the link you gave as "proof".

scroll down to page 323 and the text will load, try to search again then and you will find it.

I didn't notice this problem, I entered @SiNeReiNZzz today, taking into account some of the work he did like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=251328;sa=showPosts

So, there is nothing to consider, just judging from the work alone, it seems worthy of being a DT.
To be honest, i didn't pay attention to the problem in this topic, so, for now I will remove it from my list / cancel it and I will see more progress in the future, thanks PM, for reviewing this thread.

Please stop talking bullshit. ::)
You're doing it again, that's the problem. This is ridiculus... and you too, if you mean like that!
The only one who makes anything personal here, is you.

And if I think again about the bad trust to you, you deserve it!
Because you only want to damage my reputation in the Forum as much as you can!
Wait, no I'm done with you... 8)

A bad character and the worth of your soul can unfortunately be recognised by your behaviour.
Because I've made a mistake and I can stand by it.
You are simply a false snake that delights in exposing others.
Not real criminals with with harmful behaviour, but good people with a big heart.
(my little 5year old daughter confirms this every day to me!)
I can look in the mirror despite your accusations... and knows what it means, to reflect yourself!  ;)

Oh wait, you do this, because I am sooo a bad criminal spammer...
This is your opinion, and maybe of some other Members here.
And this is how I end this here. Do what you want!

I've explained myself more than once!
Because I can rely on set you on my ignoring list, without doing trust abusing or something other against the rules...

Good luck with snitching, in the future, but sooner or later, everyone gets what they deserve.
You too, you holy samaritan.
And please do not misunderstand this!
Not from me.
I am, as I said before, done with you...

Have a nice Life!

Of course google won't show you the whole source, it's a commercial book. There are many ways to get a complete book online (for free) but, I won't go into that here. And, of course, it would be illegal to share links to such sources on this forum.

So if you really want to check proof (without quotes) I'm sure you'll be able to do it.  ;)

Hello, yes I've been waiting (and waiting) for the page to load, but found it hasn't fully loaded. 


I never doubted Jeremy Franklin's link (as such), but was puzzled when following the link they provided found that google itself then said the text couldn't be found so it's good to know that others have been able to corroborate the OP's assertions.

Why look for a link to the source if  SiNeReiNZzz provided it himself in his message? But I agree that Jeremy is so actively pursuing the SiNeReiNZzz has something personal.

Jeremy Franklin not the author of the post, which accused SiNeReiNZzz of plagiarism. But from August 29, 2020, he begins to demand to ban SiNeReiNZzz from the moderators.
It all looks strange.

I can assume that Jeremy has a grudge against people who managed to escape the ban. He remembered those, many who had been banned earlier. :'( :'( :'(

I can advise Jeremy to apply for the position of moderator, since, as you say, it is the moderators' fault that SiNeReiNZzz is still not banned. :)

I see that recently many have returned from the ban. For some people from the local Arab section, the strict rules did not apply. But I believe that it is the right of the moderators what to do in such cases. After all, we shouldn't pursue anyone here and start wars.
If someone doesn't like someone, you can always use the ignore button.

I am not making excuses for SiNeReiNZzz in any way. Also, I think it is inappropriate for a DT member to leave personally relevant reviews. And Jeremy should have a little tolerance and acceptance of those decisions that were made by the moderators. Otherwise, the forum will be anarchy.

I just spent an extra five minutes on this.  ;)
As it turns out, google won't be of much help if some form of word spinning and article rewriting tools are used, as it is done in this case. So I tried with some other sentences and phrases from the post in question.

Take this, for example:

If we put quotation marks on the first part of the sentence (before the comma) and do a full phrase search, google will correctly identify the source and list the specified book in the search results.

There are more examples like this where the identical sentence structure as well as their order as in the original material is clearly visible. I understand why SiNeReiNZzz does not accept this, but in my opinion this is a classic case of plagiarism. There are too many matches to be accidental.

Oh man, what do you want to explain?
I've pointet out my sources... NO TEXT SPINNING!  ::)

This is a Translation from the ...PDF below (https://jusletter.weblaw.ch/fr/dam/publicationsystem/articles/jusletter/2017/917/der-einsatz-der-bloc_776b0ed3df/Jusletter_der-einsatz-der-bloc_776b0ed3df_fr.pdf)...

Not only one times I have explained before I did a 'project work' in the context of a further education...
The information that I have chosen for this project, I have translated into English, only for the text here in the Forum!
And they all come from the publication of this professor:

Prof. Dr.Andreas Furrer:
https://www.unilu.ch/fakultaeten/rf/professuren/furrer-andreas/

For you AGAIN:
https://jusletter.weblaw.ch/fr/dam/publicationsystem/articles/jusletter/2017/917/der-einsatz-der-bloc_776b0ed3df/Jusletter_der-einsatz-der-bloc_776b0ed3df_fr.pdf

From other Sources surely not, i know it.
I have never try'd to hide something about this case, why should I do this now?

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I would be happy if we could bury the hatchet!
But I don't think that will be possible, with the hate you have for me...

I can even understand what bothers you... sure!
 
But what should I do?  
I only can let this be a lesson to me and do not let it happen again...
As I have explained 100 times in the past months!  

I myself have reported on things too, that have been shot down! (4 of them never solved)
I am not angry about it, I accept it because that is what it is all about!
If ordinary members like you and me find that something is not in accordance with the rules, we can report it and well...
Decision is not our work!  

But here you report the same thing over and over again, mostly publicly in countless posts or threads.  
This is bad, and I think, not good for our forum either!  

And now even in this separate thread, asking DT1 members to give me a bad review, for which there are no reasons except that they are not using the system properly, as he explained himself!

I never wanted to give you bad feedback, but YOU come after months, can't understand that I'm still here and suddenly leave bad feedback at my profile?
Couldn't you have done this directly in response to your accusation?  

No, as I said, months later you do!  

After months of me working, doing good and definitely learning from my mistake...

And it just smells like you want to do it personally!
That's the reason why I have also left feedback at your profile.
Because I think it's absolutely unfair and not the idea behind a technical community forum!  

I come here to exchange ideas and have nice conversations!
When I want to fight, I go to the boxing club.  

You say that the moderators didn't solve it because it's open case.
But maybe it's just there, because the moderators want to see if it was a lesson for me or if I'll continue with it...
But I don't know this, and it's not my fault that it be, as it be!  

Do you really think you can achieve this in this way?  

If I have said it many times before, I do not want a war with you, but from your side comes nothing as hate and the same old accusiation...