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Title: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: gmpoizon on October 24, 2020, 03:57:44 AM
If I want to buy some physical items here on the marketplace, are there trusted members who can act as escrow? If so, can I mail them cash, like actual dollar bills, which they would hold on to until they have the physical items, then escrow forwards the physical items to me and ships the cash to the seller?


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: TheUltraElite on October 24, 2020, 04:40:14 AM
If I want to buy some physical items here on the marketplace, are there trusted members who can act as escrow?
Yes of course they are here to help you out but read along.

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If so, can I mail them cash, like actual dollar bills, which they would hold on to until they have the physical items, then escrow forwards the physical items to me and ships the cash to the seller?
Here is a list of trusted escrows of this forum.
Recommended bitcointalk escrow services  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439910.0)

But most of them dont accept "dollar bills". They accept BTC (always) and some of them accept altcoins. Rest of the process functions like you have already said.

Please note that you should only trust PMs in this forum for the contacting the user. Anybody PMing you on telegram or other IM platforms first is likely an imposter.


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: sheenshane on October 24, 2020, 04:20:47 PM
I tend to agree with the suggestion above, it is good if you will send a private message directly on their Bitcointalk account and ask their social media account like a telegram to have the fastest conversation and to verify that you are dealing in the right escrow service, not a fake one.

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If so, can I mail them cash, like actual dollar bills, which they would hold on to until they have the physical items, then escrow forwards the physical items to me and ships the cash to the seller?
Here is a list of trusted escrows of this forum.
Recommended bitcointalk escrow services  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2439910.0)
That's a good list and here is an addition even it's quite outdated by the OP.
Few Trusted Escrow Provider (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5047302.0)

I'm afraid that there's no one who will accept your offer, most people here were in privacy concerned.  Holding physical and send it to you will also revealing their real identity.  Unless, if there's someone will willing to do that.  Good luck with looking for the right one.


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: bL4nkcode on October 24, 2020, 05:39:23 PM
If I want to buy some physical items here on the marketplace, are there trusted members who can act as escrow? If so, can I mail them cash, like actual dollar bills, which they would hold on to until they have the physical items, then escrow forwards the physical items to me and ships the cash to the seller?
As what mentioned above, escrows here are willing to help for any kind of transactions but if you're offering a cash payment, it would be hard since mailing cash is prohibited in most mails even it bypass in country's origin there's still chance that it would be noticed on the receiver's (escrow) country.

Besides this is bitcoin related forum, at least make it one of the option for payment when transacting here.


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: condoras on October 24, 2020, 06:02:23 PM
If I want to buy some physical items here on the marketplace, are there trusted members who can act as escrow? If so, can I mail them cash, like actual dollar bills, which they would hold on to until they have the physical items, then escrow forwards the physical items to me and ships the cash to the seller?

My question is why to choose to come here, to BTC forum marketplace, knowing that 99.9% of all trades (buy, sell, etc.) are based and bounded in BTC? When you can easily buy with cash from other marketplaces without even use escrow services. Not to mention that I seriously dought that we have around sellers who accept cash this way.
My polite guess? You want to move cash under the radar with the excuse of "buying stuff"...


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: Findingnemo on October 25, 2020, 05:09:05 AM
If I want to buy some physical items here on the marketplace, are there trusted members who can act as escrow? If so, can I mail them cash, like actual dollar bills, which they would hold on to until they have the physical items, then escrow forwards the physical items to me and ships the cash to the seller?
Accepting physical cash has lot of difficulties and disadvantages, never knew anyone in this forum doing escrow for cash deals.But you cam try with the escrow mentioned above but physical cash may never be accepted atleast you need to use bank wire transfer and also you have to accept all the fee.


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: FIFA worldcup on October 25, 2020, 09:45:20 AM
If I want to buy some physical items here on the marketplace, are there trusted members who can act as escrow? If so, can I mail them cash, like actual dollar bills, which they would hold on to until they have the physical items, then escrow forwards the physical items to me and ships the cash to the seller?
Accepting physical cash has lot of difficulties and disadvantages, never knew anyone in this forum doing escrow for cash deals.But you cam try with the escrow mentioned above but physical cash may never be accepted atleast you need to use bank wire transfer and also you have to accept all the fee.

Not only it will be expensive solution but also i don't think all the escrow providers will be willing to accept this and share their real Names, location and and bank details.
Why not use bitcoin instead of the dollars and fiat ?


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: gmpoizon on October 25, 2020, 04:14:31 PM
If I want to buy some physical items here on the marketplace, are there trusted members who can act as escrow? If so, can I mail them cash, like actual dollar bills, which they would hold on to until they have the physical items, then escrow forwards the physical items to me and ships the cash to the seller?
Accepting physical cash has lot of difficulties and disadvantages, never knew anyone in this forum doing escrow for cash deals.But you cam try with the escrow mentioned above but physical cash may never be accepted atleast you need to use bank wire transfer and also you have to accept all the fee.

Not only it will be expensive solution but also i don't think all the escrow providers will be willing to accept this and share their real Names, location and and bank details.
Why not use bitcoin instead of the dollars and fiat ?

How would it be expensive and how would anyone have to share their bank details, it's cash, and it costs 50 cents to mail a letter.


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: blockman on October 25, 2020, 10:08:26 PM
How would it be expensive and how would anyone have to share their bank details, it's cash, and it costs 50 cents to mail a letter.
I'm about to suggest Dabs as your escrow but he's not accepting cash but he's ok with wire transfer. He's a trusted guy but he has a term that the people who will ask him to escrow should understand what his rules are. His thread is interesting and won't require you that much time to read his past deals.
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=234939)


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: bL4nkcode on October 25, 2020, 10:26:31 PM
How would it be expensive and how would anyone have to share their bank details, it's cash, and it costs 50 cents to mail a letter.
It could be not that expensive, but as above said, escrows here   is highly unlikely will not accept cash (not heard anyone do so) not unless its a deal personally between parties. And its not a common way to deal with an escrow here, so probably you cannot find any escrow that deals in such way.


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: harizen on October 25, 2020, 10:38:06 PM
If I want to buy some physical items here on the marketplace, are there trusted members who can act as escrow? If so, can I mail them cash, like actual dollar bills, which they would hold on to until they have the physical items, then escrow forwards the physical items to me and ships the cash to the seller?

Escrows approval might depend on what kind of physical item is involved. I know there are lots but might be better if you give examples, at least, of those "physical items" you want to consider purchasing here in this section.

My suggestion is to try to find a much convenient way if possible like checking your local's marketplace (either on any platform) to save you from a hassle method. As for legitimacy, try to deal in meetup or COD in your area. If overseas, then check reviews and enhanced your DYOR skills about the seller.


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: gmpoizon on October 25, 2020, 10:42:14 PM
If I want to buy some physical items here on the marketplace, are there trusted members who can act as escrow? If so, can I mail them cash, like actual dollar bills, which they would hold on to until they have the physical items, then escrow forwards the physical items to me and ships the cash to the seller?

Escrows approval might depend on what kind of physical item is involved. I know there are lots but might be better if you give examples, at least, of those "physical items" you want to consider purchasing here in this section.

My suggestion is to try to find a much convenient way if possible like checking your local's marketplace (either on any platform) to save you from a hassle method. As for legitimacy, try to deal in meetup or COD in your area. If overseas, then check reviews and enhanced your DYOR skills about the seller.

Do many deals on here take place in person in the US especially if they involve more value?


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: bL4nkcode on October 26, 2020, 06:33:17 AM
Do many deals on here take place in person in the US especially if they involve more value?
Yes, the collectibles board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=217.0) is one of the examples. But there's no one there transact with cash and using escrow.


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: condoras on October 26, 2020, 02:22:21 PM
Sorry to say it but you missed to reply to my question or you don't want to?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5284101.msg55445765#msg55445765 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5284101.msg55445765#msg55445765)


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: gmpoizon on October 27, 2020, 12:57:21 AM
Sorry to say it but you missed to reply to my question or you don't want to?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5284101.msg55445765#msg55445765 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5284101.msg55445765#msg55445765)

What if it's btc I want to buy with cash and that's why I'm here? Makes sense doesn't it? ATMs take a large fee, exchanges and other in-person services reveal identity, lots of legitimate reasons I'd want to use cash with trusted escrow to buy btc even if it's not as common. Very polite guess though ;)


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: condoras on October 27, 2020, 03:17:52 PM
What if it's btc I want to buy with cash and that's why I'm here? Makes sense doesn't it? ATMs take a large fee, exchanges and other in-person services reveal identity, lots of legitimate reasons I'd want to use cash with trusted escrow to buy btc even if it's not as common. Very polite guess though ;)

That's true but in order to keep your identity secret, you have to "pay" a (bigger) price. Either a lot more regarding fees or making an in-person deal, with whatever that entails.
Unfortunately, dealing with straight cash is not the best option (atm) for buying BTC unless you know someone in rl.
Perhaps to try getting a debit crypto card that has no mandatory ID verification? Still, your limits will be low but it's something from nothing. No offense, you don't want to know my impolite ones. ;D I've seen more than a lot over the years, so excuse me if I offended you. 8)


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: plast555 on October 27, 2020, 04:03:28 PM
If I want to buy some physical items here on the marketplace, are there trusted members who can act as escrow? If so, can I mail them cash, like actual dollar bills, which they would hold on to until they have the physical items, then escrow forwards the physical items to me and ships the cash to the seller?
As what mentioned above, escrows here are willing to help for any kind of transactions but if you're offering a cash payment, it would be hard since mailing cash is prohibited in most mails even it bypass in country's origin there's still chance that it would be noticed on the receiver's (escrow) country.

Besides this is bitcoin related forum, at least make it one of the option for payment when transacting here.

have you heard about  Money Order? this is the way of sending Cash to another person through mail. and it's legal and 100% safe. you can even send money through money order to other countries.  and you can use Westren Union.
The problem is not sending of the money. the problem is that escrow. I think there is no such Escrow providers who hold a Fiat Cash Escrow.  OP has to find another solution or look somewhere else for his desired person.


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: shield132 on October 29, 2020, 05:08:07 PM
If I want to buy some physical items here on the marketplace, are there trusted members who can act as escrow? If so, can I mail them cash, like actual dollar bills, which they would hold on to until they have the physical items, then escrow forwards the physical items to me and ships the cash to the seller?
As what mentioned above, escrows here are willing to help for any kind of transactions but if you're offering a cash payment, it would be hard since mailing cash is prohibited in most mails even it bypass in country's origin there's still chance that it would be noticed on the receiver's (escrow) country.

Besides this is bitcoin related forum, at least make it one of the option for payment when transacting here.

have you heard about  Money Order? this is the way of sending Cash to another person through mail. and it's legal and 100% safe. you can even send money through money order to other countries.  and you can use Westren Union.
The problem is not sending of the money. the problem is that escrow. I think there is no such Escrow providers who hold a Fiat Cash Escrow.  OP has to find another solution or look somewhere else for his desired person.
Not only money order but there are other internal money transfer services offered by different companies, I mean services similar of Moneygram. I hugely doubt anyone will accept cash via mail from random user. Also, if he and recipient live in USA, then Money Order is okey but if they are from different countries, this can turn into a serious problem. There are countries where it's illegal to send money via post, it will be confiscated and you'll get some problems.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend any escrow to take part in such cases (nothing against OP). There can be problems from recipient like money is fake and then sender may say I sent real money and he sent you fake one, etc.


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: UserU on November 02, 2020, 05:49:32 AM
Not only money order but there are other internal money transfer services offered by different companies, I mean services similar of Moneygram. I hugely doubt anyone will accept cash via mail from random user. Also, if he and recipient live in USA, then Money Order is okey but if they are from different countries, this can turn into a serious problem. There are countries where it's illegal to send money via post, it will be confiscated and you'll get some problems.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend any escrow to take part in such cases (nothing against OP). There can be problems from recipient like money is fake and then sender may say I sent real money and he sent you fake one, etc.

Most of the time, sending physical cash is prohibited and even if it's allowed, there's some declaration involved, like AUSTRAC (https://www.austrac.gov.au/individuals/sending-and-receiving-money-overseas)

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If you mail or ship physical currency in Australian or foreign currency with a combined value of A$10,000 or more out of Australia you must declare it to an Australian Border Force officer, police officer or directly to AUSTRAC. You must do this before sending the currency out of Australia.


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: fullhdpixel on November 02, 2020, 06:38:04 PM
Not only money order but there are other internal money transfer services offered by different companies, I mean services similar of Moneygram. I hugely doubt anyone will accept cash via mail from random user. Also, if he and recipient live in USA, then Money Order is okey but if they are from different countries, this can turn into a serious problem. There are countries where it's illegal to send money via post, it will be confiscated and you'll get some problems.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend any escrow to take part in such cases (nothing against OP). There can be problems from recipient like money is fake and then sender may say I sent real money and he sent you fake one, etc.

I have never heard that the form of Money Order is illegal any where in the world. What I know is Money order is legal and accepted almost every part of the world and you can even send money orders to other countries too.

In the country where I live Money Order is sent through government's post services. So, it is completely legal and safe (except if the post officer himself steal your money).

This website https://www.usps.com/international/money-transfers.htm provides services to send money internationally to several countries as you said.

Moneygram and Westrenunion are good options too. Even I prefer Westren Union more than Money Order and Moneygram.


Title: Re: shipping cash to escrow?
Post by: shield132 on November 02, 2020, 09:54:03 PM
Not only money order but there are other internal money transfer services offered by different companies, I mean services similar of Moneygram. I hugely doubt anyone will accept cash via mail from random user. Also, if he and recipient live in USA, then Money Order is okey but if they are from different countries, this can turn into a serious problem. There are countries where it's illegal to send money via post, it will be confiscated and you'll get some problems.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend any escrow to take part in such cases (nothing against OP). There can be problems from recipient like money is fake and then sender may say I sent real money and he sent you fake one, etc.

I have never heard that the form of Money Order is illegal any where in the world. What I know is Money order is legal and accepted almost every part of the world and you can even send money orders to other countries too.

In the country where I live Money Order is sent through government's post services. So, it is completely legal and safe (except if the post officer himself steal your money).

This website https://www.usps.com/international/money-transfers.htm provides services to send money internationally to several countries as you said.

Moneygram and Westrenunion are good options too. Even I prefer Westren Union more than Money Order and Moneygram.

Where I live, it's seriously prohibited to send money inside country via post and it's especially prohibited if you receive banknotes from foreign countries, it gets confiscated and you may not end up well with the law. Illogical, right? There are a lot of illogical laws and situations in some countries are different from USA like black and white. That's why I stated that it's very captious case for escrower from both sides, any side can argue fake and argue that money they received was illegal (in reality it can be true or not). That's why it's better to get rid of 3rd party persons in this case and use Western union and similar companies. Personally, considering the risks, I advice everyone to just get rid of such cases and don't risk to be a middleman.