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For all promoters which one would you prefer?

1. Project promoters (bounty hunters) should start fighting for themselves, if some projects become successful and still plan to ignore or refuse to pay bounty hunters they should take the fight and spread how untrust able the project can be over the internet.

2. Promoters should face the bounty manager and make him or her strife for promoters rewards

3. Promoters should stop promoting bounty projects that doesn't implement escrow payment

I believe that escrow will solve the issue of not getting paid from bounty projects, it's sadden but true that many project team consists of people or group that don't care about others but themselves, instead of spreading FUD about the project online I suggest we should promote projects from bounty managers that takes their work damn serious, I don't see anyone to put blame on but the BM, taking the role of a BM is assuring participants that he or she will fight for them.

I believe the major issue with promotion of projects is that the rewards are either unduly delayed or hunters don't get their reward after completing their tasks.
The most effective way to get through this challenge is to make use of Escrow for the bounty rewards. The bounty manager needs to be more thoughtful and make the project developers understand that using the Escrow is necessary.

There is nothing you can do no matter how hard you fight after the sale, you don't need that anymore. even if you criticize them it will only affect their investors and not the CEO because they have secured the money already in thier hand .



It doesn't help at all you cannot blame the bounty manager mostly if they do not have the tokens for payment. Even they have its easy for a project to change the contract and then distribute it only in investors if they want.



Thats better idea stop promoting bounties or look only for those campaign that give payment weekly orr listed in exchange.

i see so many subjects about this bounty hunter/s not getting pay
there is no reason to bother with bounty when the money is already collected by the scammer/s and he/she is gone, it would be worthless anyway.

Yes you are right, the best way to avoid this is to promote projects that goes with escrow idea, this shows that payment is guaranteed, taking the fight to social media will only make bounty hunters look stupid or even worthless like many project team says, it makes me sad don't get me wrong but bounty hunters need to create respects for themselves

If every bounty manager can start using escrow I'm telling you, bounty hunting will be more easier, the assurance of getting paid will be high, the fight need to be directed to bounty managers not the project team, make bounty managers start demanding for escrow, this is the perfect fight.

We should always do good research on projects before promoting, follow high rated bounty managers and bounty detective already has escrowed in place for their projects, the choice you make or will make is very important, bounty hunters has no association so don't expect them to come together and fight for themselves, some bounty hunters don't mind making 10$ per bounty project

escrow is the best idea to reduce the project team cheat the bounty participants
this is not only for bounty hunters mate, but to all campaign managers they should ask for escrow to the project team before they start to manage any bounty campaign, i hope all bounty managers will doing that

Number 3 is good if all bounty hunters can unite that they will not promote any project that will not do an escrow, bounty hunters will take promotion seriously because the success of the project will give them a good reward, bounty huters are having second thought becaus eso many developers are delaying, locking the rewards of bounty hunters when they deserve it.

1. it's quite difficult to do this but the hunters can try to spread the negative feedback if there were the scam project who didn't pay the hunters. I have seen this happened with tokenpay and it has become a dead project.

2. The power has owned by the team and the manager can only create a negotiation about that with the team.

3. I think this is a good point but it's quite difficult to do that caused by there will always be the hunters who didn't hear that.

I wish all bounty hunters can come together and decide to stop promoting bounties that have no escrow, maybe this will force bother bounty manager and project team to accept paying bounty hunters in ESCROW but many bounty hunters don't care, they are ok of they make 2$ from bounties

Only practical thing can be done from the above three options gives is 3rd one, if everyone starts avoiding the projects without escrows then bounty managers and the team will be forced to escrow the bounty rewards, then only they can get enough attention about their project in right time so the can be successful as well.

I totally support all your points because even now in strict regulations and rules still what we are seeing is that the projects and campaigns that are following the rules, ignore them when it comes to distribute the reward tokens, this attitude must be discouraged and because of this even today most of the campaigns are not paying the earned tokens. Bounty hunters must team up and form a strategy against such projects.

The project developer didn't force us to participate on their bounty program, its our choice and its our obligation to find out if the project has a future to grow or its just a scam project and we cannot blame the manager if the Developer didn't pay on time, this is the risk of being a bounty hunter.

If the project is legit, then let them work on their system until you get paid, this happened many times and the delay on payment is normal. Escrow on bounty program usually happened on BTC paid campaign which is more effective but I don't experience to participate on Altcoins bounty that is being escrowed, I think the managers don't want to handle such fund because the bounty is too much for them and a lot more risky for them.

Not really , if they want to make it easier do not just use escrow they need to change the way also they pay hunters like paid them in ETH or other popular crypto currency then hold it by an escrow thats better idea than holding a worthless tokens to escrow.

Every thing to be change If the only problem is you want to make sure you will get the right payment.

Fight for what? It's the internet, OP. No one would believe any single word that you could fight for and there would be no resolution in the end. It's like getting everyone to sign a petition on change.org to ban scammers in the internet, while there were just minimal petition that brought resolution there anyway.
For BMs, the best thing they can do it just stop the campaign if red flags started to pop up. They can compensate at some point, but I don't think they're really obliged to do it, since they aren't full-time bounty/project detectives.

Can add another option as well, which is bounty promoters will not join any project which is paying in their own tokens.Probably a bit harsh but it is right to avoid scammers and useless projects to waste the time of promoters.

Currently, It happened that I participated for DEGO finance campaign, their project was successful. The Bounty ended successfully as well but making payments has been difficult because it seems the team is anonymous and they proposed to pay 0.8% for 100 days. Sometimes, things that occur in this forum is beyond our capacity to handle them. Even if you give them negative trust on this forum doesn't stop others from buying outside here.

The only solution to these is simple and plain. Participate in Bounty that are escrowed otherwise, there is probability of scam at the end of the campaign. The manager is just a common person like you who is limited to information and decisions from the team.


You have said all, that's the conclusion.

The answer is simple, if they are not paying according to the schedule designed before and during bounty campaign, then bounty hunters need to be alert and see if they are making lame excuses, delying tactics, new rules or something not mentioned during the campaign then these are big red flags and hunters should unite to defame the people behind the project and also flood social media exposing them.

The question is how many escrowed bounty project paid you this year so far? Most escrowed bounties from bounty detective which is the only bounty manager that use escrow now still turned scam, I'm not saying escrow is bad but that's on the project team, many good projects that paid this year aren't escrowed.

Some project teams make this excuse after the bounty campaign ends that the campaign has not brought them results as expected so to answer them i would say that the results depend on the quality of the project itself we have seen some projects raising millions while some failing to raise even some thousand.
Secondly, if you advertise at google or other online platforms and even offline in tv or newspapers you have to pay in advance and those media never take responsibility of results and even so expensive campaigns sometimes go unnoticed, so can you ask the newspaper for refund?
Similarly you have assigned the work to hunters who follow all the campaign rules and spread the message across as required. So you cannot blame them of no or low results. You have taken the work, they have completed the task now you can not make excuses to not pay them in any case.

Are you sure all those projects that becomes successful but aren't paying some of their bounty program participants because they broke their rules? I have seen a lot of people complaining they didn't get paid, but their bounty manager keeps on saying they didn't follow the rules. If they don't follow the rules, they don't deserve to get paid.
Also, I have seen people complaining because the value of the token dropped before they received their rewards. Well, if that is the case, you didn't get scammed since you already received the promised amount of token. You just promoted a shitty project and got paid with shitty tokens.
Why do people even join those bounty programs. The amount of time they spend promoting those projects aren't worth it at all!

Often the reputable moderators on the forum will be responsible for the bounty programs they run, people should participate in their campaigns.
I have a list of reputable managers, if they have a bonus I will join right away.
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I agree and are ready to join the fight against scam projects

This usually happens but the bounty hunter always ends up getting nothing, although the managers and bounty hunters who try to fight cannot change the decision of a scam project.

It would be great if all bonus programs were to be escrow .


I prefer the 3rd

1. There are instances like these but where it do end up? Legit projects wont tend to refuse payments but if those projects are scams since from the beginning then expect for this thing to happen.

2. Bounty manager arent always been part of the team, theyre just also an employee that had been hired for community advertisement where it isnt really just right
that you would sue them out or took the blame if you havent been paid out.

3. Escrow is always been suggested but most projects doesnt really like this kind of set-up. Do we have any other choice? thats why bounty hunters do plays with fire.

Obviously the third thing is always what everyone is expecting, when all the bounty programs participate in the escrow, the bounty hunter will be happy to promote the project.
However this is very unlikely, scam projects will often find all kinds of reasons to avoid having to do escrow, even good projects do not want to do escrow. If the escrow is required I think they will find another way to promote their project.

I would prefer number 3,

Since it is for the best of the bounty hunters if the project uses escrow, if not then the security of payments is not guaranteed. It has a higher chance that the work of bounty hunters will put to waste if ever that they don't pay. But we all know that not all the projects do have enough funds to have a stored funds for future payments. Most of the time, they get what they pay for bounty hunters from their investors.

I would prefer the third option, what good is there to take a fight to the project team? It won't change a thing but ruin their reputation to some extent, that's all and after a while the project will get back on its feet, I prefer forcing bounty managers to compulsory Escrow option but let me remind you that some bounty hunters won't join you to exit Bounties that have no escrow, they will go behind your back and promote projects that have no escrow

This is why I keep saying that there should be something like a "union" for the bounty hunters, we are talking about people spreading all over the world from facebook, twitter, bitcointalk, reddit, instagram, youtube and many other places tons of projects every single day, they do contests for logos, texts, there are content writers, back linkers there are tons of people who try to make a buck out of bounties.

When you combine the power of these places, you get yourself a HUGE man power and it could change the whole project if you can get them to work for you, it would cost you but it wouldn't cost you a lot if you are honest. So if there was a union for bounty hunters, they could get paid upfront and they could do the work later, all it takes would be that escrow to be trustworthy by both parties.

It's never going to happen because many bounty hunters simply don't care, they only want some tokens in their wallet and hold, some even feel satisfied with earning 2$ for few months work, forget it, not going to work, I just hope that more bounty managers will keep using escrow, and those who haven't should learn why escrow is way much better

Mistakes happens but not always from the bounty hunters side, I would like to talk about DIA bounty that ends weeks ago, the team released another form for all bounty hunters to fill and the BM (bubbalex) start sending messages to all the bounty hunters so that no single one missed his or her payment, that's what I called a bounty manager, if there is any kind of new rules bounty managers should make that very clear to avoid missing payments

Agree, a good bounty campaign should have an escrow account. This is to provide certainty to bounty hunters that the project will continue even though the sales process is still ongoing. But currently only a handful of bounty managers do that

Of course I prefer to stop promoting bounty projects with no escrows. Working with escrow is safe without worrying whether the project will pay or not. Number 1 and 2 is actually the common scenario in bounty campaigns where they always try yo spread negativity about that certain scam project or they will make the bounty manager to take responsibility by asking him to talk to the project developer.

If a project without escrow is too damn good I won't hesitate taking the risk, I've seen few escrowed bounties that still failed, quality speaks alot about a project and if the team are professionals they will eventually pay up because they will be smart enough to know that not paying can tarnish their image or ruin their reputation.

And the problem is, you can encounter very few projects that are legit and are willing to pay their hunters as agreed price. Since most of them are paying in their own tokens, they have no control once it is listed in exchanges. So the target price really declines so fast where sometimes it is not worth selling anymore. But if the project is really strong and has solid backing, they can allocate funds that will be fair to their promoters. One can't expect that these projects will keep their word as it depends mostly on their funding.

Just my opinions, but there's nothing to do with bounty manager (if they don't have any intention cheating on spreadsheet). Bounty manager get hired just to manage the campaign, not the part of the decision making team. about the escrow, there's also up to you, because youre basicly joining the bounty, you can due dilligence first before joining

Whether we like it or not majority of new bounties won't accept to escrow strategy for unknown reason, this still doesn't mean the project is scam or they won't pay up, project team are the one who come up with their ideas and rules on bounty campaigns, bounty managers will only need to manage the campaign, If bounty hunters don't like the idea they could leave, it's always their choice

I picked all three choices because that it should be done if bounty hunters in verged of not getting paid of the hard works on promoting such projects. All aspects are important and it will serve a great significance of demanding our rights to be treated fairly and getting paid as well. For so many times we are neglected and being thrown away after being used that's why we must act as one to have our respect and value in this industry.

What fighting are you talking about mate? No matter how we fight but still it was useless, take the DigitalBits campaign as an example the fight is not prospered because the bounty hunters are not united, the scam accusation thread has not gained much support from the higher ranks,

The DigitalBits team is holding the KYC data of its participants and thats very unfair they dont pay its promoters but look at DigitalBits now they just acting as nothing happens even run a new bounty which called the ambassador program campaign.

Escrow payment is already used by some bounty management like Bounty0x, Bounty Detective, etc.but even the bounty payment was escrow if the project did not succeed, or cancel, etc it was the same results thats why bounty campaigns have no guarantee and we should accept that reality.

Most escrowed bounties are the best, but it is not within the power of hunters to decide. There are hungry bounty managers around too. They don't want to persist the project teams to implement a credible campaign, all they care about is how to get paid and dish out stakes. I will go with option 3 anyday.

If the project is already launched and the tokens is listed on exchanges, I think the only thing the participants can do is to wait until the team pays. Its not good to ruin the team's reputation while they are at it already.

There were suggestions like fund escrow before the campaigns start to avoid situations like a scam but this should have been done by the bounty managers to assure the payment of the participants.

It's bounty managers duty to make sure that every bounty hunters get paid, unfortunately not all bounty managers are capable, they mostly cares about their own payment, i think the best thing to do is follow reputation bounty managers or join bounties that introduce Escrowed campaigns

No bounty manager can assure you that you wont get cheated. They all take risk by managing campaign. Some of them are also get paid in token that is not giving out at the end of the day. No bounty manager has successfully manage every campaign that one will not cheat hunters. Some well known reputable bounty managers has even stop managing bounty because they dont want their image to be tarnished 

Sometimes bounty hunters are really discriminated and some bounty managers are very strict to them. Today there are many bounty hunters, so project managers don`t appreciate every participant, because there are still a lot of people who can complete all project aims.

Those three options all depends on some other stuff before we can answer them. For example, if bounty hunters could get together and make something like complain about the project all over the internet, they would have been more successful about promoting project itself as well, but even in a case that a project could make a ton of profit yet still not pay their bounty, bounty hunters usually do not get together and act together, that is a tough thing, should they? Of course, will they? No.

Bounty managers could face bad rep and could lose all the profits they could have made in the future if they are bad, but for that we have to make sure problem is with the manager and not the team, that is very important. If you blame the manager for something the team did, you would be hurting him for no good reason at all.

Rather than those mentioned three points it is good to have the following three points before getting into bounty participation.

How effective is the team and the core objective of the project and the different partnering.
See whether the campaign manager is a trusted person, things can be clarified easily.
Go through the rules and regulations framed by the campaign manager and participate.

From OP's point the bounty hunter needs to make the rules and not the campaign manager, which is impossible.

I understand what you want to say but as you can say promoters are very dependent to their projects that they manage meaning if someone will offer them to promote their project and they will give a good amount of money then they should grab the opportunity or else other will get it. Do you think the promoters can force the project owner to implement an escrow?

Let's put it this way, what if you are a promoter and someone will offer you to promote their project then they are willing to pay you a good amount of money but they are not willing to escrow the payment. What are you going to do? leave the opportunity to earn a profit or grab it?

With regards to your first and second, I didn't understand much about what you would like to say so I only comment to your third question.

I choose all three, because the three things you convey are the most important parts for project promoters. However if the Bounty manager is a trusted person on this forum, I don't think those three things need to be applied. I think we can identify the best manager.

Yes, this is what should happen, and many promoters ignore exposing scammers and publishing about them in BTT, this will not restore their rights, but it will be a heroic act in order to warn investors about losing their money, as well as the articles or videos that they published about this scam project in the article and video campaign, they must to change their content and add this following sentence (Warning this project is a scam, do not invest in it) and to report the project's telegram group or it's pages on social media until they are closed.

The escrow option is unreal because for promotions team will not agree to send the bounty rewards to third parties. The security issues can be resolved with multi-signed wallets but the risks are not worth preventing the scam for bounty hunters. The questions are logical and straight but the bounty world is not ready to implement the high-class standards yet. Probably after a few years, the bounty portals will be activated for managing the new bounty campaigns but it is not 100% guaranteed the mentioned methods will be solely effective to fight against the scam bounty campaigns.

This aspect is good but it will only affect the project trust level on this forum alone cause there are some bounty project that didnt pay bounty hunters for their service and they are still in existence. An example is goldenugget (GNTO).

Bounty manager are somehow the victim of this scam project owner but the goldenugget manager seems to support the project team decisions but i think bounty need to make use of escrow in other to come clean.

This will be a good decision if bounty hunters could do it but I'm not sure it going to work cause 95% of all bounty hunters don't do proper examining first before joining a bounty campaign.

The best option for me is the number 3.

I dont want to participate in projects that dont pay even they succeed the same with projects that turn out to be scam. The manager has nothing to do about this so its not appropriate to blame them for the outcome.

Having an escrow is an assurance that we can get paid for the time and effort we spent for promoting their project so its better.

escrow is the best option, and distributions of vesting 1 - 3 months, like the bounty managed by bubbalex. because what I know, the Bounty Hunter after receiving the coins/tokens will definitely be dumped. but BM, escrow, that's all no guarantee, the main point here is the project, I think a successful project will keep its promise to hunters. It is useless to receive tokens/coins but they are of no price or value.  ::)

Reputable managers already know what they are doing so we can expect that if the project will succeed, bounty hunters will definitely receive their rewards. However, there are also new but good bounty managers out there. Bounty hunters should also give them chances so they can also prove that they are also worthy to manage a good project too.

This field is not regulated. There are hundreds of cases where a project was successful but refused to pay.
Bounty hunters made a noise, and only 10% responded to this noise and paid rewards.
Otherwise, almost any project can cite cheating and block payments. I've seen this too many times.

Since you are talking about new projects that turn up with their version of the tokens, there is risk if the developers are not coming up with a competitive project and are starting one to make some quick money. In situations like these these developers will not escrow the money in fiat currency worth or in BTCitcoin and all they give is the promise that their tokens will be distributed for the bounty hunters.

If you are talking about successful projects that collected the funds and then moving away from the promises they make in the beginning you can start a scam accusation regarding that.