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 Please, what is red trust account and why is it not allowed in most bounty?

People can leave other people Trust feedback. You can see that on any account if you click on the Trust link.
Now, if that person did something wrong - usually scam - the feedback is "negative".

Now, there are certain users that have higher powers (Default Trust users). Those feedback is the most important and if they give negative feedback it will show with a red number.
I've looked up for an example for you: https://99bitcoins.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/tradefortress-bitcointalk.png

Beware, not all areas of the forum show the trust directly (and non DT users' feedback can be useful too) so if you try to make transaction with somebody or follow his trading advice you better look into the profile.


And of course red trust means "scammer" and nobody wants scammers advertise their services.

Usually, the bounty manager rejects participants with red trust accounts because many participants use multiple accounts and many commit fraud so that the bounty manager rejects red trust accounts, there are lots of newbie accounts who use multiple accounts to get lots of money so many bounty managers to reject participants with red trust.

scammer or there are things he did why he can not be trusted here in the forum.

Other be reason is its too risky to transact with this person and the transaction with him can possibly be scam so other DT tagged him before they have a transaction with other members.

You cannot join bounty  for a reason that  you cannot be trusted for having that redtrust.

I am sure many redtrust accounts are linked to other accounts so DT gives a red sign for violating forum rules and not being allowed to join in a campaign with multiple accounts, this is what often happens hunters will continue to create new accounts again and now many newbies are not scattered for post quality but instead join the bounty.

Many bounty managers prohibit joining Redtrust accounts.
Try to read the bounty rules.

red trust = violated forum rules or do something wrong including scams, fraud, etc.

the reason why bounty managers doesn't allowed it since when participating to bounty campaigns since the participants are the one who will promote the project and if they have untrusted feedback or they are violators then they are not good representation of the projects and might destroy the projects reputation.

Red trust can be given to any account owner on this forum if they break the forum rules like cheating bounties with multiple accounts or cheating any member on this forum, you need to read the forum rules before posting or getting in deep,

well, it just so happens that theymos as the admin in this forum has prepared anticipation for members affected by red trust that it will be difficult to raise the ranking of their accounts because currently there is a merit system which in my opinion is one of the best solutions to overcome the swelling of members in this forum.

There is various reason to receive negative trust. These thing are the main reason of getting red/negative trust for any user.
I have quoted it from LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0).  You can get proper knowledge and learn about the trust system fully by reading this post.

Bounty doesn't allow red trust account, cause many user try to abuse it by making multiple accounts. Which is against forum rules and user receive red trust while they try to abuse it by making multiple accounts. As bounty doesn't allow red trust account, it helps them to avoid those user who have several account in this forum.

I think this topic should be at meta (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0) board.

It is very simple, If you bump at a post and you see someone posting something you are interested in but you also discover that the person is having a red trust, will you believe the person ? having red trust reduce the credibility of any post coming from such account and this is the reason why many bounty manager do not want to engage them in signature campaign.

You are not trust worthy or your account have issues like scamming and deception once you have a red trust it's unlikely that you will cannot participated in any campaign and people will not deal with you, it's more of a warning sign for other users about your account.

Red trust given by DT members in forum (that only show and work) for braking the rules of forum and also if anybody make spamming in any bounty. It can say one kind of punishment for fraudulent work in forum so that maximum bounty admins did not accept him in signature and sometimes in social. So everybody should follow the rules of forum.

thanks.

you will be wearing a signature advertising a company if someone saw you wearing it and check your acct with red trust do you think people will invest in the company? it will also give a bad impression to viewers or readers, that why is the company trusting a person, with red trust or negative, people might think that it's a scam since they allow a person with negative trust to represent their company.

Actually most of the bounty projects manager didn’t allow to do join for negative trust members. Specifically red trust profile strictly prohibited in signature campaign. Because it’s a definitely big promotion for waring avater & BB code. All of the projects wants to promote with highly reputed members, it will good vive at the end.

Red Trust stand for your reputation. So if you have red trust people might have a negative thinking against you either you are a scammer or simply Unreliable. That's why Bounty manager did not allow hunters with red trust account to join signature campaign because it was not good to wear a signature with unreliable account and personality.

That red trust shows that your account is untrusted or having a bad conduct so accounts or user like that are ban from joining the any bounty campaigns. I think this belongs to Beginners & Help section.

red trust is sth that if you have a negative feedback from other forum users, they can give you a red trust. You should be careful when posting something here. if you are here not to scam someone, there is nothing to worry about.

If there is no evidence of scamming, attempting to scam or clearly setting up for a scam there should be no red trust.
The mere fact it can be used to prevent some and advantage others with respect paid 2 post is a major design error.

I would start at thread on rep about the project manager refusing you and the project using bogus reasons to refuse entry.
 That's if you're an honest member and good poster that can produced value output.

Obviously if one has scammed or tried to then of course you should never be allowed to participate in bounties.

Red tags and type 1 flags need to be removed. Only a fool can not see this.

If you drink lemon tea then clearly you're going to be dealt with once and for all.

Red Trust accounts are accounts that have made mistakes in the past, maybe they violated the rules on forums, maybe they have promoted scam projects or did anything that people thought it was wrong.
Often projects want the best people to advertise their projects, so Red Trust accounts are rarely accepted in signature campaigns.

Those and a lot of other things, many of which can be arbitrary and vicious--and that's because the trust system isn't regulated.

What I'm curious about is how many accounts OP has, because there's no red trust on the one he's posting from here.  And as far as why it matters to bounty hunters: why would you want a member with a bright red warning on their profile advertising for you?  However, as has already been pointed out, it only shows up as red if the neg came from a DT member.

Do some more reading, OP.  I suspect you haven't done much and are only a member of bitcointalk to earn money.  No surprise there.

It is not necessary that you get red trust for bad things only, but many peeps also leave negative ratings just to show off their power. This means that a red trust given cannot be accurate always and it is better to do your due diligence before trusting other's ratings. I did not target anybody here, but those who are doing what I said are clever enough to get this heard.  ;)

@The Pharmacist, it looks like OP has a high rank account which they don't want to get disclosed.

Well that's not the case for all members is it?

Red trust given by who? Oh yes default trust goons.
That's the only red trust that counts right?
Sig scampaign managers only care about that

Unless.....

Yep you're a DT goon. Then red trust doesn't matter they will still allow you on the campaigns.
Take a look often DT will have a red tag or 2 and have no problem getting on good campaigns.

Besides if the red tags are bogus and are not based on any objective independently verifiable evidence then wrong doing is that of those leaving fake red trust.

Stop promugating garbage here.

Red tags and type1 flags are not reliable or credible. If there were any provable financially motivated wrongdoing they would have a type 2 flag ( unless they are DT goons then they would collude to prevent any flags on each other)

Want evidence then request and I'll provide.

Most DT are reputable and do knows their title as a DT but I guess not all as what you like to imply.

Yes, there are faults in every system and that probably include the trust system. However, I do believe that it works like tagging the users promoting scam projects of which white papers or other documents presented in the project were being copied or was plagiarized. And that is a work as DT an extra baggage or load of work with no pay.

There might be mistakes but all of it are subject for developin and that one day I do believe will going to change. So let us be part of that change.

This is the mark that will send your account into downward spiral. Try not to get this kind of violation if you can, although it will only be put if the evidences is stacked against you. Do not worry about this because those who are responsible on issuing it, knows what they are doing and they are reasonable if you give an explanation at least.

Most DT are not reputable due to being knowingly complicit with undeniable abuse of the trust system and deliberately preventing legitimate warnings on proven scammers. That is without any shadow of a doubt.

Well what you are describing: deliberately promoting a project with a provably bogus or copied white paper as a legitimate original project are both meeting the threshold for both troll and scam facilitator. That is reason for a ban and assisting setting up a scam  fits with the purpose of a legitimate flag 1 if it was left to remain. To me deliberately and wilfully protecting or promoting a certain scam is just as bad.

This is entirely different from giving a red tag to someone that presents evidence of undeniable scamming from a DT member.
Using tags to brand whistle blowers as scammers is dangerous and disgusting.

DT members that don't stand against it are colluding and complicit.

There is no other way to see it

Also campaign managers bending the rules and allowing DT with red trust to participate are double standards scum and should be removed.

There is no other way to see it or explain in if you want your explanation to stand up to scrutiny.

Red trust is as meaningless and dangerous as merit.

Trust is very important in this forum when it comes to transactions. If you have green trust, you are a trusted person which mean you had successfully transacted by a person without any harm nor violated rules. Negative trust is being given to the scammers and loan defaulters of the forum. It is not a serious crime but it is an equal part of consequences when you did something wrong to other users.

Why is scamming and defaulting on loans not a serious crime?

Surely this is what a type 2 flag or above is for not just a tag.

I have no idea what red tags are for. They serve only to pollute and devalue all other warnings.
If you removed red tags but had the red glowing warnings under the avatar for type 2 flags and above the system would work.
Type 1 flag should be financially motivated wrong doing related only or be deleted.

The only reason to give a tag without a flag is that you have zero evidence of scamming attempting to scam or setting up an scam.
A tag is really a political or personal attack. Nothing more or why not give a flag ?

So asking what is red trust account now? It is nothing you may just like eating lemons.
Why do campaign managers only allow DT with red tags on their campaigns
A they are corrupt
B they are scared they will get a tag

Red tags are subjective silly and dangerous noise.

Why is everyone talking about scamming being respective and subjected to red trust on a user, i have seen several users on the forum (name not to be mentioned) having red trust because of indecent/inappropriate accusations on other member without proof, this sound something like a rebel, that results to that user getting red trust by DT1, DT2, ......members, and that's something to avoid to enable oneself in joining campaigns. Its always stated by BM & CM never to allow such users to participate in their campaigns so as to maintain their good reputations throughout.

Can you point to some of those specifically
Show me examples.
Specific details.

I can show you the exact opposite.

I mean if you say something is happening but wont bring conclusive proof of highly corroborating evidence that is the same thing really you are talking about others doing.

I'm not sure if speculating on others is worthy of red trust if they cant conclusively debunk it especially concerning behaviors apparently conducted on the forum.

See Red trust was made just to flag out people for their suspicious activity in the group so that other members in the forum get alert/caution while doing any transaction or deal with them.
Signature campaign or bounty managers start filtering the best out of many applications by dropping red trust members. Then slowly, It becomes the guidelines(rule) for campaigns that red trust members are not allowed to participate in it.
Now as Lordhermes said there are various incidents that happened in past where people are got red trust just for silly reasons or to destroy their profile(or campaign income) on Forum.
I personally feel that we should use this weapon very carefully and give red trust after giving at least 1 warning to a member.

Yes indeed.
However if there is no punishment or requirement to use red tags in a useful and credible way and there is clear financial incentive not to use them correctly... the guess what happens?

The system is wide open to abuse and gives financial incentive to abuse it 
Hence those controlling it miraculously have all the best sig spots and control the other rev streams.

It's a mess. Its undeniable.

I don't think we should have any more warning before the red tag is given. The reason is because If I'm not mistaken then we already have the previous 33 warning point as a forum rule. If a user break this rule then it is possible that DT member can mark their account with a red tag as the reason for breaking the rule. The 33 point that I mentioned must always be remembered and read so as not to make mistake in making decision that will later become habit. As in one example, someone complained and continued to complain about the unfairness of staff and the merit source in distributing merit to user. If the person keep complaining and complaining, eventually there will be hate speech thrown at the staff and the merit source so that the person will be marked as a troll.

In addition, there are many thing that get a person get red tag and clearly all wrong that have been breached, especially there are warning for that.

Complaining about unfairness whilst presenting a solid case that has never been debunked that corroborates everything you say is not trolling.
Please stop promugating such nonsense.
Hate speech? Another meaningless term. Is this any speech someone else doesn't approve of.
Your post could be hate speech? Why trying to conflate independently verifiable evidence as trolling?
Sounds like hate speech to me.
Also sounds like trolling as per the rules.

Sadly a Red trust account has zero meaning any longer.

Only a type 2 or 3 flag should have some meaning but don't be shocked if you find that proven scammers on DT have no red tag or flag of any kind. Because they collude to prevent them.  

Red tagged accounts have zero meaning aka you cant say oh look a DT1 or multiple DT1 have tagged them they must behaviors in their histories that show they are scammers or attempting to scam or setting up a scam.

Even the flags that claim this are bogus for type 1 or can be.

If you were trust abused on the old system ( pre flag) you are treated to a red tags and a nice warning banner defaming your account as financially dangerous or telling lies that some members have located such behaviors.  This could be entirely untrue if you analysed it.

Repeat after me. Red tags mean nothing alone. You would need to investigate the entire background to the claim yourself. Most are too dumb or lazy to do that.

All you have are type2 and type3 flags to rely on.  Even then I would be checking for myself.
Campaign managers on the  big projects are working with DT to ensure they get the best spots regardless of whether they have red tags or can even make objectively valuable posts.  

Don't contradict me unless you can debunk my points with evidence because you just look like a pleb to those that will objectively analyse your reply. Bring evidence or request it from me if you're not privy to the core arguments around here since the silly new merit and trust mess was introduced.