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Isn't it better to have KYC verified forum account? We will be able to get rid of all the hassles we have gone through on detecting multi account. /s

However, what is your plan for those users who buys fake IDs and have accounts against those IDs?

Full discloser, there is a ""/s"" next to my first line :-P

Multiple accounts are not foribidden provided they follow the rules and dont use any of that in cheating. This is a long time problem already and as far as I know its been the same since then. Dont worry some concern users are always reporting them in the reputation board.

I remember theymos introduced a prank kyc process and I almost send it as I thought its real but only an april fools joke.

Also this. I think its gonna be an added work if ever they decided to do the KYC thing and I think some users will left and probbably avoid this.

Few projects are still asking for KYC to get paid when bounty is finally over but saying that I can't go through KYC doesn't mean I'm cheating, I'm more consigned about my identity card, it's not safe to send your international identity card information to people you don't know, this is why I don't join KYC bounties

This is very simple, if KYC is a must every bounty managers should include that in their campaign ANN page, I'm sure many won't join the bounty project, majority of new bounty projects of this year came with NO KYC for their bounties, it's their call though, I guess they knew that it makes no sense to ask for people's data when they don't actually need that for their project.

KYC for bounty isn't worthy IMO. You never know what they will do with your document ID

That's why many people aren't interested with bounty which need KYC first

Don't you know that most of the bounties asks the participants to complete KYC at the time of token distribution,which are supposed to be happen at the time of joining itself as per your suggestion?

KYC is against the idea of cryptos so crypto community should never appreciate that.

It's a grim world out there, and many prefer not to give their real identity.
If they enforced KYC on this forum, i believe over 90% of the accounts would be left inactive.
Some for actually wanting to keep private, but most because of multi accounts.

Fun fact, in almost every bounty, over 70% of participating accounts are duplicates. Let that sink in :D
How do i know? Well, i've ran a bounty where KYC was introduced just prior to delivery. (shitty move, yes i agree)
So what happened.... well lets say 70% of the rewards were never claimed

It's possible however I don't think someone want to participate in a campaign that need to give you identity. That's what most hunters doesn't want to happen.

Bounty that asking that ,will not get enough participants since member here is more afraid of what will happen to their identity than to receive a rewards from bounties.

It's possible but as hunters we don't want that.

Good suggestion and I am all for it. This will prevent multiple and fake accounts from participating in bounty campaigns to some extent.

I guess theymos making the KYC requirement an April's Fool joke (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124947.0) basically say that the forum doesn't want any kind of KYC happening in the forum. The forum made the trust system unmoderated for all of the users become the responsible ones in their trade so I think the forum doesn't want to be concerned on matters particularly being affected by their own project. If you think your project is being abused by users then I think the best way to do is to have a responsible campaign manager who will flush out the abusers of the bounty campaign.

You don't need to ask kyc if you only want is to reduce the cheaters. accept only participants ranked full member and up in that case only high ranked member can participate and it will reduce the cheaters at the same time your identity is still secured .

Campaign just don't like that because they need more participants.

Gave me a good laught :-D


Doing KYC in an anonymous place for bounty will not be looked good unless they do it in their own platform. And have this in mind that KYC is expensive too unless you are doing it in-house. Risk with in-house KYC is that you need to trust the team but in most cases they will keep whoever they like and things will not be transparent at all.

I dont think kyc for hunters will help the campaign to lessen cheaters on the bounty because cheaters can use fake documents or ask thier freinds or family members to do the kyc on thier other accounts.

Although your idea is good to avoid cheating I don't think it's good to apply since KYC is for customer and investors only and might cut down the number of participants in the airdrop. As you would know it's really hard to avoid this kind of cheating in bounty campaigns.

We know that ClipX team stole kyc data from users and then they escaped. What is your opinion regarding this matter? Do you think that those who make kyc are not using fake data? I think if the bounty managers are more careful and cautious, cheating will be a lot less. Reading the following topic you will more clear about this.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5285319.0

ANN page? Maybe Bounty topic? Projects that run bounty dont even bother now to create ANN topics, to avoid inconvenient questions.

And which bounty manager you trust so much, so that you are ready to send him your documents? I see you are participating in a bounty? Would you be so kind to share your KYC to us?

KYC for bounties... What next? Access to the Internet only to those who shows passport to web camera?

Understand first that this forum is primarily intended as a discussion area of the bitcoin community and there is no need to reveal any identity to speak out here because this is a free and anonymous forum. And one thing to remember that is clearly against your KYC requests is that a member can create as many accounts as s/he wants.

KYC matters are external rules that will not be considered a necessity for forum members themselves. So, KYC has to be handled by whoever requests it, because the forum may not change its purpose and it also doesn't affect the forum anything.

Exactly my point!
Take a bounty like ClipX for example; they asked the hunters for KYC and later bailed on the project. What do this information portray to other aspiring youngsters on this platform?
And moreover, just like she she said
People may even buy fake Id's to get pass the KYC procedure.
So, introducing a KYC procedure on the platform may not be the best idea to solve this problem.

KYC for what?  Bounty hunters are just advertisers and KYC is just good for those investors and has nothing to do when it comes to marketing.
For getting rid of those cheaters then its on managers job on how he would detect multiple accounts.Yeah this wont really be an easy job
but to know that this is included into the pay that they had received so its up to BM on making his own ways but implying on having KYC
to be the solution then its a typical bullshit mindset you have on here.

The forum has nothing to do with the bounties that are posting in the bounties section so cross it out. We're all grown up and we have to be responsible if we're going to take a step towards joining a bounty, just like bitcoin being a decentralized cryptocurrency, the same goes for the forum.

While for the bounty managers, they can require that if they think that's going to be an effective way of taking down unworthy participants. But do you know that cryptocurrency is all about anonymity, decentralization, and trustless? so applying KYC breaks that main agenda why it's made.

when you play at a gambling site I think it is normal that they require kyc. if you are a bounty hunter then I think it is a different story you do not want your data to end up with a person.
probably companies are obliged to ask for documentation etc. but I don't see why that should be mandatory for a bounty campaign then the whole usefulness of the anonymity is gone

This.


And this. To me, it is a straight scam when you change the terms of the bounty and after all the hard work they ask you to fill the KYC; many people would've never joined this campaign if they knew since the beginning that KYC was going to be mandatory.

And as far as I know there are many projects (airdrops mainly) that ask you to fill the KYC and then misuse your data. Sorry but no, thanks. I hope more and more members in this forum raise awareness on that.

Unfortunately, the fact that there are hundreds of farmers on the forum is mainly the fault of bounty managers (not all of them ofcourse, but most). They allowed it because they didn't check users at all, which made them understand that they could do whatever they wanted.
KYC is a solution, but in my opinion this form of verification will not be accepted. For one very important reason - cryptocurrencies are a symbol of freedom, decentralization, and anonymity, and KYC completely disagrees with this principle.

Not a bad idea honestly but what about those who are buying KYC off the web? there will always be cheaters in this space but its left for bounty managers to do the fishing, there are some tough bounty managers on this forum that are very strict on their campaigns, they are professionals when it comes to fishing out scammers

That's right, but the problem is bigger. The point is that some developers, mostly those who want to scam investors and bounty hunters, need spam. So they want as many participants as possible regardless of their quality. That's why they employ the cheapest managers who are basically just to create a thread, forms, accept everyone and basically that's it, because later bounty hunters will get nothing, because the developer will disappear with collected money.
Often, the developer also has own manager who usually doesn't know what to do or how to do it.
Good managers who know how to do this are mostly expensive and don't accept token payments only BTC/ETH, and scammers obviously don't want to pay in that way.

Id has a price if you bought it online and it's not cheap you need to buy it bulk, but don't forget that kyc sometimes ask not only is but to have a photo with the person holding an ID.

I agree for other people here ,that nowadays it's easy to buy fake id or make your own fake id you need to learn how edit that that idand now you can use it every time you need it. There are many ways to reduce the cheater but asking for kyc is not the best option to be asked.

You can report them if you believe that these account are managed by one user, you can report it at this board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0

But you have to know there is some rules that can allowed one people manage account for more than one as long as you are not trying to join all your alt account in one campaign.

Also, I just doubt the forum's moderator will approve it since we are here all respect to hide our identity. It will be good if all bounty manager here is really vigilant in choosing a bounty hunter.

Bounty hunters are not in a position to demand something from the project team, so nothing is going to be changed if few people starts thread like this and I feel every bounty hunter need to realize that their hard work being stolen with the stupid smart rules of the bounty team.

In that case, the easiest solution is to be prepared for the fact that at the end of each bounty campaign to which we join, we will have to pass KYC verification. I know it's not fair, but I think it's the best way to avoid disappointment.
We can also ask the bounty manager and dev team very carefully before joining campaign. If they avoid responding, then we may suspect that they will attempt to make such change in rules at the time of distribution and they will request verification. Then we just leave such campaign.

Possibly this is the temporary solution, giving KYC details is not fair though but when you know what those rewards are worth to take then its time to compromise the privacy over the money.

There are certain problems regarding this. The forum is free for all so it is not their responsibility but only the manager's responsibility to take.

You see, the users who are making multiple accounts to cheat are not willing to stop and anything done to stop them will be faced with extreme retaliation because it will reduce their earning significantly.

The bad thing is that users can complain of identity theft and KYC selling away to wrong marketplaces which is rampant today through these campaign data collection.

In the end the managers have to face a middle ground. So leave it to them to take care of multiple account users or cheaters.

It seems that all are full of scammers some bounty doesn't pay reward to the participants and some bounty hunters have multiple accounts. I really don't think KYC is necessary in the campaign since most of the people especially in this forum is sensitive when it comes to personal information.

Not all but most of the forum members doesn't want to give sensitive information to anyone if it will exchange for their rewards they know how risky it is and can be use for identity theft so not good idea.

This will only looks cool for manager because it will help them to make their job easy, but for hunters no they don't like that. Before asking for kyc make sure that you already mention it the day you started the campaign not the day when the campaign is finish so participants can decide whether they will join or not early . Asked it when the campaign end is so unfair for other hunters.

KYC verification completely contradicts the basic principle of cryptocurrencies, i.e. anonymity. So I do not support it either. However, I do understand project developers who do not want to "feed" cheaters who apply with multiple accounts.
Alternatively, in those campaigns where KYC verification is necessary, there should be higher rates.

i think think this has been discussed before in the forum i don't think kyc would be a good idea to implement especially in this forum come to think of it, a lot of fake projects and scam projects are in this forum and they would ask you for your kyc they might use your personal information to any kind of illegal acts isn't so i can say that it's no safe to have kyc for bounty hunters.

Bounty with KYC has been around for long but does it change anything?
I just think that it put the honest hunters in danger for information leaks because of the scam bounties and I think you aren't new to it.
There are so many scam projects that collects personal information and sell it on the dark net or deep web.
And besides if they already cheated on bounty how could a KYC stop them from cheating they could use fake information or other people's detail.

I dont do kyc even  the bounty team ask for it, why will i submit my personal details for just a little amount of money. All i know is  Exchanges are the only ones that has rights to ask kyc of thier members.

For me its not a problem if the payment is a stable coin or btc and has fixed amount but if its for a bounty campaign to be pay with new tokens with no value, no exchange, only promises then its a big NO for me to send any KYC requirements its too risky to send kyc to other people whom you are not sure where it can be use later after bounty if for a purpose of kyc is to filter multiple accounts its really hard task for bounty managers only few participants will accept this kind of rule.

Bounties can increase the rewards with single click because they are not paying a real cryptos ( because it doesn't have any value yet). Higher rewards may lure people but still it is not going to change the fate of bounty campaign cheats either hunters should move to bitcoin campaigns or they have to choose their project more cautiously.

Whatever the reasons, KYC is an option that should be taken at start campaign in a clear rule. Some people don't care that much about privacy and it's their choice and we can't blame them for this. In the other side, compagnies running campaigns have a legit reason to ask for personal docs because they don't want to pay abusers using multiple accounts without the need to mention that those personal docs can be used for other purposes.

Lately, we saw several campaigns mentioned in op bounties that its mandatory or not to submit personal docs for verifications before rewards distrubution. And this is fair enough imo for both hunters and the campaign.

Usually campaign paid btc don't ask for KYC docs but they are only running for signature campaigns in Services sub-board.

Only project team can make KYC compulsory for every bounty hunters, many crypto projects are open source either finance or other, they serve as decentralized, these projects have no used for KYC, not even bounty manager can compulsory KYC for bounty hunters

Because responsibility and "fears" are on both sides. Developers are worried that if a large number of scammers join the campaign, it will be ineffective and will give away a large amount of tokens for nothing, and bounty hunters are worried that if the project is a scam, their personal data will be sold and used for online crimes.
In my opinion, there are two options:
1. The developer will hire a professional manager to eliminate the scamers and then no KYC will be required.
2. Bounty hunters will do very thorough project research and only do KYC verification if they themselves decide that project is credible and legit.
Everyone should decide individually what suits him best.

We are terribly vulnerable with the release of our details in this space, most submission are unnecessary and I expect reaction to this selfish request. Bounty hunters most times hold very insignificant amount of the token released and the reward are base on the job demanded, they might not actually be an investor. Same token will start its trade on DEX where most holders information are not known. In the past few years in cryptocurrency they have not defended the request of KYC from bounty hunters and sometimes investors.

If you are saying people using multiple accounts to get more rewards as scammers then its nit really affecting the campaign because they also do the same work as everyone do to get the rewards. Even campaign from reputed manager asks KYC at the time of token distribution because manager is not in the position to control it.

Everything is in control by the team and manager do only follow orders on whats being said.Ive seen lots of complaints back in the past where bounty hunters being required to pass
up some KYC for them to gain their tokens that they had earn on the task that they had done.It isnt really right no matter what angle do you try to look at.
It isnt really just right that they would really be asked out for something personal for just receiving out those shit tokens in the end of the day.
Only investors should really be the one to be asked out.

merrit system are already introduced and its now hard to just create account and rank up but you really need to put up alot of effort to get merrits to be able to rank up your account and then for what ? just to cheat a bounty campaign ? what if you got caught , you can get neg or banned instantly and all the effort that you pour on creating a dummy account will all be wasted greatly . its possible to make a newbie accounts but newbie accounts are mostly obsolete as they cant carry a signature so how can they be accepted in a campaign? and you see bounty cheaters are always gets busted . why worry ?

That is why project consider the hunters as share holders of their projects so they are liable to obey everything what the project team offers/orders.

That is why I keep saying that project should pay in bitcoin so they will not going to face any dump or regulation issues.

It's really unavoidable I don't think KYC would be the solution to it I assume only few participants are going to participate and for sure most of them will going to use a fake documents and the like yet better the manage or the project should think some extra security to lessen the cheating in campaign.

Bounty hunters are protecting their privacies not because they are cheating, though some are but as for me I don't join bounties that ask for KYC information because identification details aren't safe online, they can be leaked and use for illegal stuffs that can put one in trouble some days

Several alibis on where a team could imply or alter on;

-KYC
-Bounty rewards distribution composed in several months.
-Distributed but tokens are locked.
-Delay due to several reason.
-Waiting up for some license or operational or getting listed before they do make some distribution
of rewards

and so on. This is why it do sucks when you are a bounty hunter and just waiting to get paid up yet you would
really feel that youre like a beggar.

This wont do for me personally if I am a bounty hunter. A few dollars worth of tokens in exchange to my personal information is not worth it. Why oh why someone will full for kyc if they are not investing on the projects they are just promoting.

I fully support it, I also want to verify the forum account, many existing problems have been resolved.

You do? :-D
Full support to what?
KYC on the forum or KYC for the bounty hunters?

By the way have you missed "/s"?

Don't join the bounties. All those tokens are worthless and I do not understand why people runs after those tokens. There were a time when ICOs were at their pick and some tokens had some value but these days, I do not see any such exists.

I think Royse777 just sarcastically saying it or not? Even founder of this forum doesn't show his identity so what more of us. I don't think any idiots who will sacrifice their personal details just to join a bounty campaign with rewarding you of worthless coins and tokens.

I faced all you mention above during joined with many bounty campaign project, at the early when joining bounty campaign reward is easy distribution without have complicated rule like KYC, send several phase, coin locked and delay distribution. Why right now when many ICO not worth but bounty campaign most difficulty for joining with many added rule from KYC until distribution 10% each month until one year later and distributed only twice then bounty manager forget with their reward. Right now bounty campaign manager have change the rule and allow the same payment with signature campaign weekly payment, when reach minimum post every week payment will sent on friday depend when bounty manager update for day payment.

Indeed, but it is not what OP mean. The OP just give a suggestion for the forum moderator should obligate for those user to give their KYC. So as bounty hunter never try to cheat bounty program because they only have one account to promote bounty campaign.

But, it is impossible in my opinion. The forum moderator here will never try to accept it. Just wondering, do you have an exchange account? I guess you will have and as far as I know most all centralized exchange will ask your personal identity, did you give to them? If you did, your personal identity isn't safe although you choose a reputable exchange.

Only a few exchange sites that have made KYC be mandatory for the new users before they will able to use the service offered by such exchange site. afaik, gate.io is the only exchange site who has been putting KYC as the first requirement for its users.

i rarely saw another exchange was doing it. KYC is supposedly to be an option for the hunters. It's too risky to exchange your personal information for a few tokens that you didn't know whether it will worth something or no.

it's no fair for bounty hunter if they will be asked for kyc and the project is a scam. actually both the bounty project and the participants are cheating both so i really don't think its necessary for the bounty hunters to conduct kyc in my opinion.

KYC seems unnecessary, because what developers need is that we can introduce the products they develop,
for bounty hunters their job is only to advertise products and for investors, KYC may be really needed

If they want to pass the KYC then that's easy. In the opposite direction, there are many fraudulent projects and user information. This is something that has been around for a long time, so I think let's get used to it !

If the project is a scam and is still asking for KYC then you can be pretty sure the data will be sold off to some darknet marketplaces. Also someone in the forum will post a scam accusation explaining the situation and that should stop the majority of the hunters who still have an intact brain. The rest braindead bounty hunters will be scammed like this and thus the cycle of frustration>depression>new bounty joining will go on.

The point is brought up more these days because there are many cheaters who use more than one account to spam the bounties and essentially defraud the project funds.

Lots of bounties now that do ask out for KYC which is fully contrary on what people do like into this market which is mostly talking about anonymity thats why
it wont really be that appealing to give out KYC if you are a bounty hunter and to know that those people are just advertisers and theres no point for them
to comply about sending out verification just for them to be eligible for payout which is totally a bullshit thing for those project owners on giving it out.
So as a bounty hunter you do already know on what to do.

I think it is not really necessary, for KYC i think only necessary for the big investors who still look at bounty, there are not many projects that bring a lot of money for the hunter, the BMs will be able to afford. The ability to evaluate this depends on the requirements of the project but i think KYC for hunter is unnecessary as there are now many people using fake KYC to join bounty.

That's not the bounty managers call to implement KYC, some projects are complete open source and they don't see any need to collect people's identity for any reason sake, some new projects are even decentralized, how will such project implement KYC? It's breaking the law of decentralization isn't it?

Some projects require by law to get kyc done for all their token holders

At least they'll announce it during the campaign, not after the campaign.

Actually, I still did not think that those project that requires KYC is better than those which does not require, most of the bounty I earned in the past does not require a KYC and it's really easy for us to join maintaining our privacy in the crypto space and such bounty does attract a lot of campaigners.

II think that it's not about the result of the project.
It's about regulation. Some projects have done KYC verification to create act prevention for the worst situation. KYC will not determine the result of the project but it's about the law. I do agree if there are so many projects who have not implemented KYC for their hunters but it can still be a successful project but this depends on where the project is being launched.

Eh, are you aware that many bounty hunters are using more than one accounts to spam the bounties and defraud the team? They are not only but taking away the payout that could have been given to someone else. Therefore a idea of enforcing KYC on bounty hunters came into view and many bounty management services were going for that in order to release the tokens or otherwise forfeit them back.

Point is that this lead to another problem - the hunters claimed that KYC was being misused and therefore should not be enforced.

Honestly speaking it ends up being a mess, we have supporters of no-KYC bounty participants citing the reason to be identity theft and we have pro-kyc bounty participants who want the cheater hunters to get exposed and ousted from the community.

Not really that necessary to impose KYC just for the sake of trying to kill or get rid of such abuse or multi accounts by other verifying methods which it is one of the jobs on where
the bounty manager would really able to do just to solve out that problem.Even though it might not be perfect because detecting multi-accounts or alts is nearly impossible for them
to be resolved on but i do see some campaigns which do succeed on having no experience of that problem.

On the ethical side of things then expect that people wont really be minding about giving out some spots to someone and as long they do able to make advantage of the said
bounty pool and can possibly earn tons of money later on when those tokens got have some value then that what would matter most.

If we do think up clearly where KYC shouldnt really be asked out by some verification but due to abuse then i might consider this as a valid excuse.
This is why its up to someone to choose if they would push through KYC based type of bounty or would skip it simply.

that's right dude, we should not give our personal identity document to unknown person especially for bounty campaign which is many people know this decentralized market and no need kyc to start work here. anonymous was be nature in crypto market. and there is no guarantee we will received good amount that worth with our document, most of bounty token dumped in market.

As a bounty manager, I would never support the idea of implementing KYC to Bounty programs. it is not possible in this forum. unless all data are collected manually (which is a pain in a...)
2 do that. every bounty manager would need their own website with kyc implemented features. or every project has to kyc their bounty hunters which is another headache.

I think a good bounty manager know how to eliminate cheaters (with proper checkings and some proof of authentications) bots and cheates have a pattern in spreadsheets. and a bounty manager can easily spot that.

It isn't really necessary at all. Bounty hunters shouldn't be required for doing so. But if it is valid and they're asking for it and you're disagreeing with it, you can have your own way and would just avoid that bounty that's asking for it.

If the bounty managers require doing it and they have a valid reason for doing so. Still, you have the choice to comply or not. A lot of bounty hunters would disagree on it because there were times that their data and ids were collected for misuse or even suspectedly sold.

but the thing is do you want to Send KYC just for a fake projects? how can you be so sure that the company will be paying you so your details will be send to them?

There are previous projects that gained HardCap in their ICO and after that make the hunters wait for Months and when they come back asked KYC for the Hunters then believing they are gonna be paid hunters has no choice but to Send and what happen?Their KYC is taken with their payments and the team Gone forever.

Why would a Hunter do this?unless the company will Use escrow for the assurance of Payments then i guess sending details will not be a problem.

Though in desperation Hunters will take this just to have a chance earning no matter what happens in the end.

I have an opposite experience. In last 3-6 months I have seen only few bounties who write that passing KYC is necessary. They warn about it from very beginning. Even the bounties that I have taken a part did not ask to pass KYC after the bounty has ended. Maybe because I'm very selective and don't participate in each and every bounty. What I see, that bounty section is filled with yearn/defi/swap campaigns and they usually don't ask to pass KYC.

I can comprehend it's significance, however somehow the trend is quite opposite to implement KYC. It can prevent some damages in short term but in the long run hunters will be losing their interest. Assume a venture run with the topic of decentralization but impose the KYC for bounty hunters. Implement KYC system even against the motto of digital currencies.

Even more of the team members doesn't show them selves so why would they ask for other details. Most of the defi project out there doesn't have announcement thread and team members is anonymous that is the reason why they don't ask for their advertiser to make a kyc.

If I remember correctly this KYC asked only because they don't want investors from us to invest in them , then other project also do the same things which is not really necessary to do if you are only looking for investors.

How do you identify with kyc whether a person is using more than two ID? Besides, there is not much money to be made from the bounty at this time, so what can be the profit by wasting time by kyc!

I think the idea of ​​kyc is just fleeting and a waste of time. Moreover, how reliable do you think it is to make one's personal consolation to another person?.

Those who are giving their KYC just try to waste their identity to get pennies even it's not so many times that the hunters got zero reward from sending or completing the KYC verification.
We should have learned a lot from there too.
There are so many successful projects without try to make the bounty distribution being very complicated with KYC verification but it that was a requirement from the local jurisdiction and hunters can do nothing about that.

If we can escrow our KyC to remain being intact and Private why Not?the problem is We knew how Valuable KYC in online world,This can be Sold in decent account multiple times That's why we tend to Deny Giving this Publicly .

And regarding Bounty Cheating?This is what needs to stopped but i believe that requiring KYC is not the best solution because this breaks our rights here in forum to have privacy.

Escrowed KYC files or documents? It would be just all the same as long you do entrust it to 3rd party then tendency or risk of sell out identity would be always there.
Also kyc isn't really that for bounty hunters even though abuse is there but there are other ways to prevent or lessen it.It will depend on how the manager will handle it out.

solving abuses and cheating is nearly impossible but it can be handled out.Its not just really right for advertisers would also be asked out by this requirement.

Abuse can be lessen though but they shouldn't really be ending with this kind of option.

You know many individuals have been using bounty hunters details to do evil and is very wrong to reveal ID for Bounty. If is an exchange is possible and understandable to operate with so because it requires moving out funds.

Well that's at least more safer than Letting the manager and Dev handles the KYC of every individuals,and it can be keep safe and locked in one place though that will need lot's of work,
But my Point is if the Bounty will really implement that then there is an option because we knew how Hunters rely on Hunting even that they are being scammed multiple times yet stays on that job because of Living a life here.
Actually Even managers sometimes are part of the cheating ,and besides as long as they are doing the Job in Best qualities why not just let them.instead of witch hunting Look for their work quality and Don't pay and Kick those will not comply with the standards.
I will forever declined that rules,because i still believe that is why we are all here is for the privacy and respect.

if project owners require kyc for bounty hunters then it is their responsibility to not reveal the user's ID and other data. many Individuals using bounty hunters details to cheat bounties because those details are publically available. they can easily copy them like social media accounts details.
but kyc is not something to be available in public.
personally I am not in fever of KYC. there are other ways to eliminate cheaters.

I've never seen a case of a KYC request to avoid the participants' abuse. The rest, KYC is more intended because bounty hunters will become project token holders under compliance. Like it or not, it will prevail and must be obeyed. Unfortunately, most of these requests came late and were deemed to violate previous agreements.

starting from last year almost 80% of the bounty required KYC with this rule made it easier for other people to detect multiple accounts in one kyc, on the other hand not all bounty participants like this rule because they have to fill in personal data on people they don't know

There are also so many scam projects that already stolen thousand of KYC from the hunters. That's why they didn't like the verification. I can mention some like Clip X, Jinbi, and many more scam bounties that already stolen the documents from the hunters.

Yeah it is a both a boon and bane at the same time. I am one of the opinion that KYC should not be asked here but the reason why they ask is because the forum allows users to make more than one account and there are people who are cheating campaigns by making more than one and using them to participate in that campaign.

Said project would see a decrease in quality of posts/articles or contribution and a lack of being available to other users who might be willing to participate too because someone used their multiple accounts to block all the seats.

From a bounty participants perspective that is bad.

I must have been in different bounties or searched them in different forum section, but I rarely find a bounty this or previous year that ask to pass KYC. None of bounties I've participated in, asked me to pass KYC after it has finished also.
Asking hunters to pass KYC as a method to detect multiple accounts is not the best solution. All the documents can be bought or found in google. And when in past I was in a campaigns that asked to pass KYC, I remember that they did not ask to send a picture holding your ID (like exchanges usually do). That is why hunter can send anyone else ID and still cheat...

The problem is that KYC scares off a huge number of bounty hunters. You can do KYC, but then the advertising of the project will not be so good. Bounty is usually done for a large number of hunters, trying to capture as many people as possible, and KYC will only scare them away. But this is the case with small, unpopular companies. Popular KYC doesn't scare anyone away. Personally, I don't go through KYC, but this is due to the fact that usually all data is sold, hell, I don’t trust such companies.

that is one of the best reasons to not send your info to random new projects, we can't see their devs faces but they want me to send a selfie with my passport or something ?! that is just ridiculous, if they're not a billion dollar company, i am not sending anything to them.

Don't sell your personal data for just $ 10 - $ 20. There is already a bounty manager who will review bounty participants who cheat, bro, Kyc is highly discouraged for bounty participants.
The best solution in my opinion is that we care about the bounty project that is being worked on and report a participant who is cheating.

If the developers have not yet proven to be the trusted parties and then the hunters should not send their KYC to the scammers. I have been dealing with KYC verification for some trusted projects like radix and many more but i never got deceived consider these platforms have become even bigger than before.
As long as the developer is having a very good reputation and it's safe to do KYC but when you are joining the project with the anonymous team and you should never do any verification.

True, but havent you already sold them off to social media giants and governments? At least you can argue that the data collected by such organizations is considered to be kept safe while giving your data to some shady ICO project is going to make your skin crawl.

The manager is given instructions from the project owners. They are also a slave to their orders and hence even if the manager hand picks participants there are unscrupulous managers who are co-conpirators in defrauding bounty campaigns and hence the project owners need to be strict in this regard.

All the points of view - the team owners cracking down cheaters, the honest manager asking for KYC and the dishonest manager saying against KYC, all make sense - in other words, the concept of bounty hunting is a mess.

People care about how much money they make. Thats all.

Would depend still because you wouldnt know on where those informations or documents had been stored up.They might look legit initially but you wouldnt know on what would happen ahead.
Im not really fan of KYC when it comes to bounty hunting.I do rather let off those coins off rather than on giving my personal information.I have tried on using other identities though.  ;D
KYC is totally contrary on this market and its no surprise though that due to regulation and some government interference then you would really be asked out but this is only applicable
to investors itself but for bounty hunter? They shouldnt really be mandated because they are just simply advertisers.

Agreed but anyone has their own opinion and i have done a deep research to the team before. People should try to make sure if the party can be trusted.
I will never try give my KYC to the un-trusted party but so far everything went very smooth.  ;)

Although this will prevent cheatings. I am also concern with our privacy and also privacy of other bounty hunters. I know there might be a 50-50 chance of getting a legit bounty. Some of them are scammers and might also use our credential from our passport. Using the scanned photo of our passport to register or to purchase something in our identity. This is a dangerous!

There are so many scam projects now, I think the KYC request is necessary but too dangerous. Many guys can take advantage of bad projects to get user information, bounty hunters risk losing money in the future. So now all projects no longer require KYC with bounty hunters.

At the moment, most of the bounty campaigns are DeFi. Most of them do not have a Whitepaper and the dev team is anonymous. It would be quite strange and irrational for an anonymous project to require KYC verification. When there was an ICO bubble, then most projects had to be very transparent to attract investors, which is why bounty hunters were also required to pass KYC verification.

Crypto ICOs and all are shady stuff. You cant trust anyone here when it comes to your personal data. Bounty hunters are forced to undergo KYC because they put in their hard work and time in promoting the project and from their point of view, stopping the payment by putting in a new condition like KYC does hurt.

There are hunters who are dishonest and need to be punished with red trust rating because of using more than one account to spam and defraud the project. This is one way that the bad ones can bee weeded out but not feasible for the project owners.

In fact running the project entries from their own site or a manager's site to keep track of hunters can be a better method to prevent fraudulent users. Some managers have tried this method already like irfan_pak10.

How can passing KYC help to fight cheaters? There are tons of passports, id and drivers licenses available for free in the Internet. With little photoshop skills you can edit someone else document and make it look like original. MS Paint can even do that. Just select letters from the picture and copy/paste them in right order and voila, document has your name and surname.

Bounty managers and projects does not created "bounty hunter-his ID" database. For example I can participate in one campaign as George Bush, and in other as Vladimir Putin. No one knows who is really behind account or monitor.

KYC does not prevent cheating, it just scares lazy cheaters from participating.

You should know that you do not need your own personal documents to pass kyc because fake documents you can be created. On the other hand the amount of good bounty has decreased so many hunters will not agree to participate if you make kyc compulsory. Personally I don't want to waste my time to pass this kyc because the amount of best bounty is less and there is no money.

Exactly most bounties now are Defi, so there is no need for KYC. Anyone can use UniSwap to exchange tokens. If a bounty ask for KYC then there must be an dark intention of getting your information. I dont see the reason of asking for KYC. As long as the bounty hunter are doing their task right why ask for KYC!

Honestly, KYC or AML is only needed when it comes to partners to buy, sell and exchange new projects through ICO, IEO, IDO,... But now i think it's not so important for everyone. people who started using DEX more and also looking for opportunities to add their assets by investing in new (not scam projects) projects. Also, I want to talk to OP about monetization platforms like bounty, give DAO Maker a look.

True many cheaters will use methods to circumvent but the kyc verification services are also very careful. They get the verification data from other sources and rarely make mistakes. However if they can be fooled or not is not known to me. I doubt suspecting them to be able to pass fake kyc without proof is going to prove anything. We don't know for sure since no real cheater would actually reveal this.

Anyway I agree that bounties are nowadays a waste of time. Still there are many people still going for them and hence a method needs to be there to prevent fraudulent activity. How this can be done is tough for me to say.

There are people who still do bounty because it's still possible earn money from bounty.

We can say that bounty campaign is not attractive anymore since majority of the bounty are scams, but these people who do bounty certainly have a lot of time to waste, and they'll be happy with small reward. However, I don't agree with submitting your KYC just for bounty, you didn't know what you are risking in return in exchange for a penny.

You should tag or report such bounty hunters that are using multiple accounts to cheat a bounty campaigns, it's against the forum rules, talking about it without proof doesn't make sense, I don't like KYC verifications because of my identity information safety, not because of anything else and I'm sure many are just like me on here

You do have a point but it would have make more sense if all KYC requesting projects can pay bounty hunters, I'm guessing you haven't join a bounty campaign that ask for KYC and still not pay bounty hunters in the end and they went to list on exchanges like no one can hold them for not paying hunters.

False promises go a long way to fool innocent but less experienced newbies, as it can be seen. That money you are referring to is dust and its better to do something else than go with dust. For example, they can join the bitcoin paying signature campaigns which are worth doing.

I think they realize with time though if they still have some brain matter present in their skull. I know the initial enthusiasm and happiness, but with time it wither off. But there is always some newbie ready to join that hype train.

Exactly, you should no give your personal information to a shady organization which might just turn out to be a scam tomorrow. Many users dont understand this well.

But still many of you are joining right? when the truth is you already Knew those things.
If you are not profiting already then that's the time to leave and find another way to make good income.

We are not talking about whether bounty campaigns are profitable or not. The problem is that often, anonymous dev team projects require KYC verification. In my opinion, this is hypocrisy and a very strong signal that the project is not honest.
Unfortunately, I am afraid that this discussion will continue forever, or until the crowdfunding with tokens will be legally regulated.

Making fake Identity Document is illegal. And as far as I know, all KYC IDs are passed through third party verifier where they can validate the documents. If you provide them with fake ID, they will know. Unless they don't use any third party or even try to verify the documents, you won't be able to pass. Though that would be suspicious. I mean, what do they do with those IDs then?
And don't send your ID for those shitty rewards. Once they scam you, the next thing they are going to do is sell your ID on the blackmarket to make some extra profit.

Every Bounty there will be people who want to get more rewards and they do multiple accounts but verifying participants is the job of the bounty manager to make the bounty clean and fair that's why they were hired to handle the bounty. KYC is not the answer to solving multiple accounts in bounties
 

Well said! A good bounty manager should be able to find and remove scammers and multiaccounts farmers. Unfortunately, even the KYC verification cannot be sure that the data is real. Someone in this thread has already written that it is possible buy someone's identity for even $1 in the darknet.  >:(

Never mind if it is illegal it WILL be used against you. People will pay so much money for this, and your identity can be sold to many third parties. To know your data, to even clone your identity and worse to commit crimes in your name that you will never probably even ever discover until you actually get apprehended.

Not worth it!

That is why if you want to join a fair and clean bounties try to join bounties that are managed by a professional bounty manager that has long experience in dealing with this kind of issues and always remember that participating in bounties is always a choice and taking a risk is our choice

Bounty manager is not going to take part in dealing with such an issue, you have to understand that the bounty manager is only a servant in the hands of the team owner who is also being paid by them for organizing the bounty. If the team wants to force a KYC on the participants then everyone has to follow that including the bounty manager, whatever be the stated reason.

A bounty manager can be a long time one and a reputed one, but financially deprived vaporware being spread on social media about some shitcoin being the next bitcoin or the next big thing in crypto does not help the manager at all. End of the day the bounty scene is pretty messed up with the advent of KYC, this I agree with. Hence my suggestion is to move away from bounties and go for bitcoin paying signature campaigns.

No doubt this would have decreased the rate of cheating in all bounty campaigns, but saying there should be a compulsory kyc for a bounty would make you get less participants, apart from cheating there are alot of people who are more concern with their privacy om the web, so telling them to do kyc for a bounty campaign is a no no for them , personally I don't participate in any campaign that involves kyc my identity is important to me.

I guess the risk here is on the bounty hunters, how can we assure that our information will not be sold in the black market. These people can use fake accounts or profile and it's possible that they will just run a project to collect our information.. we have to understand that there's a lot of scams online and we might not only waste our effort here but we are also at risk of an identity thief since we provide them our real information.

As good as KYC sounds not all new projects will want to use KYC because they either see no need to it or their project is a decentralized project, only centralized projects can find it more easier to implement KYC verifications

And Then what? the Managers will Sell the Bounty Hunters details in 3rd party user? so they will be compensated double ?

Never forget that this is CryptoCurrency market and forum in which everyone of us stands to protect our Personal Details , and according to your request only The Manager and the Team/Company will benefits more , not only as the Bounty projects are scamming hunters without payment now they will Gain more because of the KYC?

NO WAY !!!!
They don't have to Use it in terms of their Project means but for the other usage .

True, but there are lots of centralized projects already and sometimes we are more attractive to the reward and we failed to read the word KYC or sometimes a project that does not require a KYC in the beginning will suddenly add it as a requirement in the end.

Bounty hunters in general are just promoting the project, they don't invest on it, but the problem is what the bounty hunters will receive is the same token or coin investors will receive when they purpose.

It's important that we are aware and the project is transparent from the beginning.

Its not really that relevant at all because bounty participants are just advertisers and theres no need for them to have some sort of KYC just for getting rid of cheaters.

No matter how hard they do try to filter things up there would always be those people to abuse off things.KYC wont be a solution because even on imposing strict compliance

they can just simply use up others identity just in case if they would really need to do so.This had been part of the problem when it comes to bounties.

Abuses of multi-accounting seems off normal into this manner.

Indeed KYC  can not  solve the problem of cheating committed  by  a  bounty hunter. Because  they  could  fake  KYC.
But as long as the participant doesn’t cheat in the  same campaign  as  the multiple  accounts he owns, it’s legitimate
until now. Now it depends on the team and the project owner, whether  they will  implement  KYC  to  avoid  cheating
from the participants or not. But most participants will avoid projects that enforce KYC, because most current projects
only give small rewards, so if they impose KYC, it is not worth the reward they give.

I don't like this rule too, but many projects in the world of cryptocurrencies (casinos, bookmakers, exchanges..) work in a similar way. Someone may be anonymous, but if their activity raises suspicions of scam, they may be asked for verification. When a project cannot make KYC verification, it gives scammers too many options.

If it's KYC, know that it's already a scam

"You're working for free and i am supposed to fucking grace you?"

It looks like you have a very bad experience as well as little knowledge of regulations in some countries.
Some projects, due to the fact that they are subject to legal regulations (because of the place of registration) and want to be as legitimate as possible, must require KYC verification.

The funny part is some projects called themselves decentralized and they still introduce KYC verifications, after promoting the projects and the campaign ends what do you think they will use the KYC details for ? Throw them away? I don't believe that, giving up your Identity for some dollars is wrong and not safe, this is why I don't like KYC

Kudos to bounty manager @julerz12, this BM is very good at getting cheaters and banning them straight away, he is a strict bounty manager and that's all a bounty project needs not KYC verifications, I don't joke with my national identity information, this days online crime keeps growing and you can be a victim of anything if you give your identity information away easily

Personally I don't like sending my personal ID to altcoin project that only pay me a few dollar (KYC). There is no guarantee that our identity will not be misused by the team or other individual in the future, especially if we do not have control over them.

In my opinion, if the team really needed KYC for the purpose of knowing their customer, the manager should be able to inform participants about the KYC requirement on the campaign thread from the start. If participant object to KYC, they will ignore the project from the start. However, in some case, KYC become a requirement before token distribution start. This will expose participant to doubt and difficult choice and I think this is very unfair to them. Identity security isn't worth a few dollar. Remember that KYC always has the potential to be misused by irresponsible individual.

You seem to be contradicting yourself in this statement. If verification is required, this should be announced in advance. The solution may be to inform in advance that KYC will only be required in suspicious situations. The bounty hunter then joins the campaign knowing that he may be asked to do so. To require this after bounty hunters have done the job is a breach of contract and a fraud in my opinion.

In my opinion, the KYC procedure is contrary to the basic principles of the crypto industry.  Confidentiality and anonymity are very important. 

Cryptocurrency projects, as a rule, cannot guarantee the security of your personal data.  This is a big problem.  If your personal data falls into the hands of criminals, it threatens you with serious trouble. 

Your data can be used to conclude transactions for obtaining loans and credits.  As a result, you will become debtors and property claims will be brought against you. 

Also, this personal data can be used in illegal activities.  As a result, you may even be put on the international wanted list by Interpol.

KYC wont really be solving that out and yes this one will really be bulky and also, it isn't really that right to ask out those documentation since these are just part of marketing stuff.

They aren't investors in the first place to ask out for some KYC.If they do like to get rid of possible abuse then there are lots of verifications that can really be done to ensure that
no one would really able to cheat. ex. website registration (checking multiple similar ip's) .. Phone number verification or some sort.

Im really against with that KYC thing for hunters.

I agree with everything you wrote and I also don't like the KYC verification requirement (I guess nobody likes it). However, it often happens that projects are forced to do so due to legal regulations in the place where they are registered. We all know that governments do not like cryptocurrencies, which is why such projects want to do everything so that no one can accuse them of shady activity. For this reason, we cannot always blame them if they require KYC verification.

I totally agreed on this but of course the Manager must assure that He will be the only one to know the details of each account and not to be sold in other third party groups.

Because nowadays cheaters and hackers are moving around the forum so KYC might slower or lessen their victims with this king of rules.

But i will only Join if the manager is reputable and person of His word.

For that kind of scenario, I was given an advice recently. A guy in Russian local board is also against KYC, but if you are really indent to pass KYC, he advised me to add a watermark on a document with projects name. Or sign with the hand that this is a copy for <project name>.
This wont interfere to identify your person, and will prevent your documents to be resold or used by a third person.

A very good idea to avoid using our document.
However, there is still the question of the use of our personal data.
Unfortunately, such situations will always happen. I think that everyone should answer individually whether he want to use the service or join the project if KYC verification is required, or he don't want do that.

I used to think that was a pretty cool solution. However, there are so many managers on Bitcointalk that it would be very easy for scammers to hide among them as well. I think that something like escrow of documents could be an interesting solution, and in this one place managers could confirm the credibility of the user.

I will keep ignoring any bounty project that ask for KYC verifications for one main reason and that's the security of my identity, once the bounty campaign is over are they going to throw all the identification cards information away ? How sure that they won't be use for other things?

Since we're working to earn crypto currency, thus we don't need to reveal our personal identification to someone in this forum in order to be accepted if we're applying in some specific bounty campaign, yes that things might help the manager to notice which one is enrolling with Alt account but it might the beggining of big problem because of taking our personal identification is might be use by scammer to scam others and in that way we're putting our self in danger.

Yeah Good that you wanted security for your Identity so You wont be find as Cheater? but now you are Tagged for Cheating so none can be trusted in your words now  ;D

I missed the Guy , Julerz12 is one of the most prominent and trusted manager in this forum , Wondering why he has no opening these days.