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Title: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: icopress on November 03, 2020, 08:18:30 PM Questions related to the red tag and further actions / The original version of the OP has been moved to the archive - https://archive.is/FpUEO
It all started with the fact that I asked the question of why Theymos adds users to the DT list whose reciprocal trust list consists of unwanted accounts. The discussion then continued in the spirit of “latest blacklist updates”. LoyceV has kindly advised that if there are any obvious abuses, they should be reported on the sockpuppets thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.2480), which I understand Theymos sometimes looks over when he forms new blacklists.
What is this rule for then? Quote - You must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection. It doesn't fit in my head anyway ... Is it so difficult to view the list of new members of the DT before publishing? Thinking out loud..Yeah, obviously A-Bolt and WhiteManWhite are just victims .... I emphasized directly linked accounts
And in the local section, WhiteManWhite responded to this post with a rude insult to all the people who have Lauda in the trust list, [including me]. Quoting the rest of the provocative posts I think is inappropriate, since we are discussing an abuse of trust and not WMW's manners. He yймeтcя никaк cyчьe лayдoвcкoe плeмя в дeлeжкe кopытa.
Plagiarism without author link and claim copyright holder User: icopress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1137579) 33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed. For this serious violation, this user should be banned
I refrained from answering and from provocations from WMW until a response from the moderator was received, (The user was also notified). I think the moderator will judge who is right and who is not. Quote from: icopress 33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e] - Does this rule apply to images? Quote from: mprep AFAIK no, it doesn't apply to images. Quote from: icopress Thank you, can I quote you? Quote from: mprep Feel free.
https://i.imgur.com/wmsY2AL.png Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: suchmoon on November 03, 2020, 08:28:24 PM A couple of things here:
Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: LoyceV on November 03, 2020, 08:31:34 PM I'll quote my post here:
He said me that the reference to his copyright is mandatory. First: I think you may find some images without source reference if you search back my oldest posts. But just like in this case, I don't think the user who posts it claims it as their own work. Just to be sure, I nowadays always add a source link to images, but not all users do that. Especially in the Wall Observer thread I've seen many (innocent) cases.Plagiarism isn't the same as a copyright violation. Plagiarism can get you banned, copyright violations can get you into other problems. Either way, plagiarism is handled by forum rules, and shouldn't be used for negative feedback: The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on November 03, 2020, 08:49:50 PM Got your message to reply here, OP, and I will. Give me a few hours.
Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: KaneVWE on November 03, 2020, 09:02:27 PM What makes you sure it is a personal vendetta?
You yourself appear to have left me a red tag after I commented on your shitty awards thread? Was that a vendetta?? I mean you have no reference for the red trust you left on my account?. The reason is less sensible than whitemanwhites and yours is entirely stupid. People have me on ignore= redtag? Fuck off you pathetic crying plagiarist weasel. Now crying when others point out you are guilty of using others work without their permission Did they make those images for your use? To support something you said? How many different occasions with different images ? I wonder if you are now editing a ton of posts?? Even so, as you enjoy using the trust system for whatever you like which has nothing to do with scamming or financially motivated wrongdoing then so can anyone else ? Or are the rules for others and not yourself? Or rather the lack of rules. Looking through your post history you look to be a plausible alt lauda. Stop whining about your specific gripes with red trust and start to realize that you're guilty of worse that what you're accusing others of.. If he wants to red tag you for anything he can. If a member can be tagged by a DT scammer for presenting evidence of their scamming then there are no rules. It is quite simple his tag would be 1000x more credible and valid than your own. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: Steamtyme on November 03, 2020, 09:53:33 PM I have done enough community work on the forum as for one person and on this basis, I see this situation as an abuse of the trust system for personal vendetta (using formalities). Then you should know how to deal with "feedback issues". Appeal to the user; if it fails as in most cases see next step Ask yourself are they on DT? If yes, appeal to whoever has them included giving providing them a DT position If that fails then maybe the feedback is warranted. In this case it's pretty easy, this is not what the trust system is intended for so I don't see them getting into or remaining on DT. I'll quote my post here: Correct. Images where discussed when the first wave of autobans hit the forum for plagiarism. I can't remember where it was stated but images were definitely excluded from the "plagiarism" category on forum. Plagiarism isn't the same as a copyright violation. Plagiarism can get you banned, copyright violations can get you into other problems. Either way, plagiarism is handled by forum rules, and shouldn't be used for negative feedback: The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas. You have more examples of plagiarism in your post history than just the ones pointed out by WhiteManWhite. Indirect references through your blog may not be enough. If a moderator can't see the reference in your post - you'll get into trouble sooner or later. That's concerning.Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: WhiteManWhite on November 03, 2020, 11:05:21 PM And in the local section, WhiteManWhite responded to this post with a rude insult to all the people who have Lauda in the trust list, (including me) Dude! You're also a liar or an inattentive person :) Clearly highlighted in red that I meant you. Ecли кoнeчнo я пpaвильнo тeбя пoнял и ты oтнocишь к "лayдoвcкoмy cyчью" мeня... Этoгo дocтaтoчнo, пoкa. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: icopress on November 03, 2020, 11:13:57 PM Dude! You're also a liar or an inattentive person :) Clearly highlighted in red that I meant you. I quote / you added this clarification an hour later, which does not change the essence. You allow yourself to publish groundless insults for no reason.But we will return to this conversation later ;) Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: WhiteManWhite on November 03, 2020, 11:23:22 PM Dude! You're also a liar or an inattentive person :) Clearly highlighted in red that I meant you. I quote / you added this clarification an hour later, which does not change the essence. You allow yourself to publish groundless insults for no reason.But we will return to this conversation later ;) A lie once again, edit was not about this phrase. And this is my personal opinion about you based on your actions on this forum. Am I entitled to that opinion of you? ;) Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: icopress on November 03, 2020, 11:32:44 PM Taм был дaльний зaxoд c пoдвыпoдвepтoм. He yймeтcя никaк cyчьe лayдoвcкoe плeмя в дeлeжкe кopытa. Чyвaк дaжe нe зaмopaчивaлcя c пoдcчeтoм, пpoxoжy ли нa гoлocoвaниe или нeт бeз нoyнeйм шaйки oт лayды. Я пoмню чтo oни пaчкoй пoявилиcь cpaзy пocлe пepвыx тepoк пpo DT и pyccкoй лoкaли. Ho видимo кypить мaнyaлы пepeд зaявлeниями, этo нe для гocпoд y кoтopыx кeпкa, пoxoдy, пoджимaeт oблacть нaxoждeния мeжyшнoгo гaнглия. Этoгo дocтaтoчнo, пoкa. Избaгoйcя и вoзьми пиpoжoк c пoлки, пpaвдopyб ты нaш, нeзaинтepecoвaнный ;D Ecли ecть вoпpocы, тeбe дядя cкaзaл гдe мoжнo cпop oткpыть. Taм cмoжeм пoдиcкyтиpoвaть. Я eщe мoгy в пpямoм эфиpe в пeшee эpoтичecкoe пyтeшecтвиe пocлaть ;) Oт дyши, пo-pyccки. Interpretation of facts / I did not claim that you edited the post, I said that you added a clarification, (this implied another post). I recommend that you read this thread carefully and this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.1980) (post 1992, 1994 and 1995). After that, you should apologize, then I will consider the incident settled. Fixed: Additions to baseless insults added after 24 hours. best regards icopress Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on November 03, 2020, 11:36:16 PM Got your message to reply here, OP, and I will. Give me a few hours. Same, I will respond properly tomorrow. I haven’t forgotten bro. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: WhiteManWhite on November 03, 2020, 11:39:02 PM Interpretation of facts / I did not claim that you edited the post, I said that you added a clarification (this implied another post). I recommend that you read this thread carefully and this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.1980) (post 1992, 1994 and 1995). After that, you should apologize, then I will consider the incident settled. best regards icopress I have to apologize? Man, LOL ) You should apologize and all those who will write nonsense to my trust. This is crazy manipulation, without waiting for the decision of the forum administration. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: Vod on November 03, 2020, 11:49:39 PM Got your message to reply here, OP, and I will. Give me a few hours. Same, I will respond properly tomorrow. I haven’t forgotten bro. How many of us did he PM? ;) Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: icopress on November 03, 2020, 11:55:27 PM How many of us did he PM? ;) Vod, 6-7 (Only those whose judgments I trust) ;)Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on November 04, 2020, 12:40:54 AM This looks like an issue of negative feedback being left for posting an image from the internet and considering that plagiarism. I don't agree with that, and it isn't even necessary to leave a neg for an outright plagiarist of the written word (though I don't consider it a major transgression if one is left).
What is this rude response by WhiteManWhite? I can't read Russian. I also don't see why WMW took offense to that "victim" statement by OP. It didn't look to be negatively aimed at WMW from my point of view. You have more examples of plagiarism in your post history than just the ones pointed out by WhiteManWhite. Indirect references through your blog may not be enough. If a moderator can't see the reference in your post - you'll get into trouble sooner or later. That's concerning.Is WhiteManWhite on DT or what? I don't even know how to tell anymore without searching Meta for Theymos's monthly update thread, and even then I don't know who's on DT2. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: WhiteManWhite on November 04, 2020, 12:50:55 AM I also don't see why WMW took offense to that "victim" statement by OP. It didn't look to be negatively aimed at WMW from my point of view. I don't take offense to people from the Internet, it would be stupid :) And I've already started getting a red trust for myself, it's so cool ;D But his statement, the way he prepared it, showed it, and the time spent on it clearly indicated a veiled accusation. Is WhiteManWhite on DT or what? Yes, it is. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: Yogee on November 04, 2020, 01:25:37 AM ....Is WhiteManWhite on DT or what? I don't even know how to tell anymore without searching Meta for Theymos's monthly update thread, and even then I don't know who's on DT2. I think bpip.org has this- DT1 https://bpip.org/Report?r=dtstrength - DT2 https://bpip.org/Report?r=dt2strength I can't be sure if that's all the list. Maybe suchmoon can confirm later. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: suchmoon on November 04, 2020, 01:36:16 AM I think bpip.org has this - DT1 https://bpip.org/Report?r=dtstrength - DT2 https://bpip.org/Report?r=dt2strength I can't be sure if that's all the list. Maybe suchmoon can confirm later. Hmmm... these don't seem to be accurate. I'll check what's going on there. https://bpip.org/Profile?p=WhiteManWhite Hover on DT1 under the avatar - it shows strength 4. That's accurate. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: Yogee on November 04, 2020, 02:07:56 AM ..... I was only looking for the list of DT1 and DT2 actually but I can't see it on the home page [can this be done?] so I tried the "report". The inaccuracy in strength is just a coincidence. I don't even understand what is it for.Hmmm... these don't seem to be accurate. I'll check what's going on there. https://bpip.org/Profile?p=WhiteManWhite Hover on DT1 under the avatar - it shows strength 4. That's accurate. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: suchmoon on November 04, 2020, 02:34:41 AM I was only looking for the list of DT1 and DT2 actually but I can't see it on the home page [can this be done?] so I tried the "report". The inaccuracy in strength is just a coincidence. I don't even understand what is it for. That's the difference between how many DT1 members include or exclude that user. If strength is 0 or more - the user is in DT, if it's negative then not in DT. So if that number is not accurate then the whole list might be inaccurate... that's why I said I'll need to double-check it. Edit: it's probably accurate but at the end of the DT2 list there are DT1 members shown with "0" strength. That's what looked suspicious to me. I don't think they should be there. But otherwise the lists seem to be fine. Carry on :) Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: WhiteManWhite on November 04, 2020, 02:43:06 AM We are losing the thread of this contention. What are we going to do about it?
Guys, you are probably not paying attention to what I wrote earlier about the correspondence with the photos owner. - Please tell me, can I use them for republication on other resources? I will need to use the link to your resource as the original source and author? - yes, please link to the original source www.dietmareckell.com and claim copyright holder: © Dietmar Eckell This was not done! What else do I need to explain? Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: nullius on November 04, 2020, 05:07:32 AM Whoops. My apologies for continuing the off-topic discussion on the plagiarism report thread, an important resource which should not be cluttered with this.
My initial reply thereby (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg55513399#msg55513399) is too long to quote here reasonably. It is relevant. Now, since WhiteManWhite is copying his nonsense between threads... Guys, you are probably not paying attention to what I wrote earlier about the correspondence with the photos owner. - Please tell me, can I use them for republication on other resources? I will need to use the link to your resource as the original source and author? - yes, please link to the original source www.dietmareckell.com and claim copyright holder: © Dietmar Eckell This was not done! What else do I need to explain? You are probably not paying attention to anything that I said, or that LoyceV said—or to common sense. In summary:
That is bad. I suggest that you should stop it. * I once identified the original source for a photo that I like, after five hours of persistent searching—and sifting through the numerous blogs and photo sharing sites where it had been re-re-re-posted for years without attribution. Reverse image search engines brought the mountain of re-re-re-posts up to the top, and dropped the original source into an abyss of obscurity. Sometimes, I have given up. :-( Redirected from the other thread, where it is off-topic: Quote ~ I think the moderator will judge who is right and who is not.
Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: WhiteManWhite on November 04, 2020, 05:53:45 AM Whoops You don't follow the of information stream, I've chewed it all up for you, you just have to swallow it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg55514902#msg55514902 You may need to use a translator, but I'm doing it ;) Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: nullius on November 04, 2020, 06:45:23 AM Whoops You don't follow the of information stream, = I am busy, and a common злoдeй such as you is not worth following. I've chewed it all up for you, you just have to swallow it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg55514902#msg55514902 You may need to use a translator, but I'm doing it ;) Пёc ёб твoю мaть. Just call me old-fashioned. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: WhiteManWhite on November 04, 2020, 07:03:09 AM Just call me old-fashioned. I'd rather call you traveller ;) ;D "Dorozhnaya" for you. https://youtu.be/VVkwoY6dQFo Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: SFR10 on November 04, 2020, 07:25:10 AM Here as well after icopress's PM...
I'm not going to comment in regards to whether it was a plagiarized post or not since other users did a great job at giving detailed explanations but I would like to point to two things...
None of these dramas would happen if all of us could practice having an impartial view of the surroundings. Is WhiteManWhite on DT or what? I don't even know how to tell anymore without searching Meta for Theymos's monthly update thread, and even then I don't know who's on DT2. Another workaround:#2 You can view any page as if you were using the default trust settings by putting ;dt at the end of the URL. Eg. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35;dt Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: KaneVWE on November 04, 2020, 10:07:59 AM A couple of things here:
When you see nullius now defending copyright or plagiarism you can smell icopress is either lauda or nullius alt. Icopress himself uses the trust system for personal vendetta. I posted on his shitty awards thread and he then gave me a red tag for... being on peoples ignore lists? Lol Then comes crying someone else has correctly noticed he is using on many many different occasions many many examples of other peoples work with no references at all. These were not intended for his use or purpose. So he is a hypocrite and pathetic cry baby duplicitous weasel who looks shady and by his own standards clearly meets the threshold for red trust. If you see nullius defending someone that is usually the gold standard to tell if they are dangerous and high risk. I suspect this icopress is lauda or nullius. Look at his prior posts they stink of lauda. He deserves red tags by his own standards of giving them out. Let him live by his own standards. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: nullius on November 04, 2020, 11:29:36 AM News: WhiteManWhite has abused the trust system by issuing negative feedback for insults. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286615.0)
I have been awarded a red tag for speaking an insult worthy of a Russian TMAN! Summary: I told WhiteManWhite that a dog has fucked his mother. Because I am a literary artist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277804.msg55514240#msg55514240), I did so using an “old-fashioned”, archaic form of common slang. [...] Trust summary for nullius Untrusted feedback These ratings are from people who are not in your trust network. They may be totally inaccurate.
Eh, пoшёл нa xyй [literally ‘go away onto dick’—idiomatic equivalent of, “fuck off”, but harsher]. [...] With glosses hereby inserted in [bracketed red text]: Пёc ёб твoю́ мaть. [‘A dog has fucked your mother.’ Archaic form of a common expression that only means, “fuck your mother (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55298041#msg55298041)”.] Just call me old-fashioned. On the Wall to End Walls Not sure why all of those so-called plagiarized posts by icopress is still there... - AFAIK, it should be counted/reported as off-topic/spam since it has nothing to do with Wall Observer's thread [unless I'm missing something]. Yes, you are missing something. Please don’t opine about the Wall Observer unless you have been there. (And don’t bother the forum moderators with noise reports over this.) WO is a sort of a forum within a forum. It is “self-moderated” by a theymos-appointed user whose position is tantamount to unofficial staff. Most of the posts there are way, way off the topic stated in its OP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55451584#msg55451584). It sort of has its own rules, which can only be discovered by lurking there for awhile. Fascinating fact: A few years ago, Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5282911.0) was a candidate for the Wall Observer’s “self-moderation” office that was won instead by infofront. Due to Lauda’s putative womanhood (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5282911.msg55423552#msg55423552), her nomination triggered an insane tirade by r0ach (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55315221#msg55315221)—whose posts more usually consisted of theories about how the Jews invented Bitcoin to scam you. LOL. I myself have a reputation for posting classical and neoclassical nude sculptures and paintings—intentionally without overt identification, because N.b. that the forum’s “NSFW” rules do apply on the Wall; fine-art paintings and sculptures are not “NSFW”, and I have always posted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226757.msg53905122#msg53905122) those anywhere (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277804.msg55514240#msg55514240) that they fit the topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234219.msg54082421#msg54082421). My point is that it’s not “off-topic” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55236314#msg55236314) on WO—not any more than all of the many posts by others of photos of women in bikinis (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55196885#msg55196885) or lingerie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55233770#msg55233770). It will take you awhile to understand what can be posted there (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55285153#msg55285153). I think that icopress’ posts fit in well on the Wall. :-) —And if he were to wind up annoying anybody, then he would probably just get one of these: Thanks. I’ll save that for everybody who ever mentions, among other things, the American reality-TV “election” show—about which I was working on a P&S meta-complaint, when I delved into a minor tangent on Antifa. That animated GIF is completely unattributed!!* Toxic2040 must be banned!!! For this serious violation, this user should be banned * Damn it, fellas, please do pour on some “sauce” unless you are trying to make a puzzle... Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on November 04, 2020, 01:36:20 PM OK, I may have a certain level of bias because I have a good relationship with icopress but after looking through everything I just think red tagging for plagiarism of a bunch of pics is ridiculous. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anybody accused of plagiarism for posting photos/pics before. icopress wasn’t trying to pass it off that the photos were taken by him so plagiarism it is not.
The majority of us have posted pics/photos that we didn’t personally design/create on the forum. See below - https://i.ibb.co/xC5gswC/BBD88107-7087-4-DA7-AE29-3-CD70-EAE7-A91.jpg WhiteManWhite red tagging icopress for supposed plagiarism is against what the trust system is designed for. Trust ratings left are personal & subjective but you can’t not trust somebody because they posted some photos, it’s ridiculous. How is trading with icopress a risk based on posting photos? DERP! WhiteManWhite, I suggest you be mature about this & remove the red tag you left icopress. Thanks. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: KaneVWE on November 04, 2020, 01:55:02 PM This thread gets better by the post.
Now we have that sad old perv nullius complaining about getting trust abused. Let's think about this. Nullius account is resurrected to red tag cryptohunter for not even excusing plagiarism but simply saying making fun of their rather sad stories was in poor taste. Now nullius here again trying to defend plagiarism from icopress after already debasing himself and looking like a total idiot and hypocrite defending laudas sneaky deliberate plagiarism. He should have already a tag from every DT who should be holding nullius to his own publicly stated opinions on the use of the trust system. Nobody can take nullius serious after that. I mean that and stalking out and pestering members he considers may be female. Everyone should be held to their own standards at the very least. Icopress is clearly another spaz who thinks he can give out red tags for any reason he wants but requires others to spare him red tags for clearly far more serious " evils" than being ignored by a bunch of scammers and scammer protectors. Lol these threads are more hilarious by the day. These weasels are crying about being treated a lot better than they treat others? Go cry to momma icopress you pathetic hypocritical gimp. Bring some real gripes where people are treating you any worse than you treat others Only icopress is allowed to use red tags for personal retribution folks. Same for that pervy ugly old turd nullius. I'm using a special method to transform their tears into lube. Feels lush. Splat. Btw Lfcbitcoin is a proven liar and proven bitch that will say what lauda or likely icopress tells them too so you can ignore that twat. Ask lfcbitcoin if he thinks giving red tags for 1. Saying it is in poor taste to make fun of peoples reasons for copy and paste 2. Being on ignore lists. 3. Undeniable proof of telling lies 4. Bribing people and abusing the trust system 5 scamming? You will find his answers very amusing. Let's hear them? Most of the twats here deciding if Whitemanwhite is allowed to use red tags in a far more sensible manner than they are shouldn't even be in positions of trust in the first place. Don't believe me then ask for evidence you can confirm for yourselves. Not one person here claiming what WMW has done is wrong would be able to defend their post sensibly in light of their other actions. Lfc bitcoin has given out red tags to this account for telling the truth?? Lol is that allowed lfcbitcoin? Want to deny it? Bring your argument here for me to eviscerate. The end result is WMW is fully entitled to red tag for any reason he wants like the other DT members do and his reason is far more valid than theirs. If you want to make fair comparisons. We can do that now if you're still not clear. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: Timelord2067 on November 04, 2020, 05:01:05 PM How many of us did he PM? ;) I received a PM as well. Not sure what I'm supposed to say in response that hasn't already been said here in this thread. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: icopress on November 04, 2020, 09:45:21 PM You have more examples of plagiarism in your post history than just the ones pointed out by WhiteManWhite. Indirect references through your blog may not be enough. If a moderator can't see the reference in your post - you'll get into trouble sooner or later. That's concerning. Indeed, and I'd like to hear from icopress about that. This answer is for: suchmoon, Steamtyme and The Pharmacist, (If I missed something, let me know - I will fix it).I don't have such a long posts history, so I looked through, (and I found three incidents that may have been implied).
https://i.imgur.com/ocjLXjY.png
I refrained from answering and from provocations from WMW until a response from the moderator was received, (The user was also notified). I will not publish any other insults here. I think the moderator will judge who is right and who is not. Quote from: icopress 33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e] - Does this rule apply to images? Quote from: mprep AFAIK no, it doesn't apply to images. Quote from: icopress Thank you, can I quote you? Quote from: mprep Feel free.
https://i.imgur.com/wmsY2AL.png Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: nullius on November 06, 2020, 01:17:51 AM Not sure why all of those so-called plagiarized posts by icopress is still there... - AFAIK, it should be counted/reported as off-topic/spam since it has nothing to do with Wall Observer's thread [unless I'm missing something]. Yes, you are missing something. Please don’t opine about the Wall Observer unless you have been there. (And don’t bother the forum moderators with noise reports over this.) Actually, I myself had missed something which I discovered just a few minutes ago, when for the first time ever, I reported a WO post to the forum moderators: See for yourself. Click the “Report to moderator” link on any post in the Wall Observer. Obviously, you would see the same message if you tried to report icopress’ posts. So, yes, there are officially “Special Wall Observer rules” in bright red letters. (What those rules are is another matter.) WO is a sort of a forum within a forum. [...] It sort of has its own rules, which can only be discovered by lurking there for awhile. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: suchmoon on November 06, 2020, 01:44:14 AM Quote (source link was provided, but inaudible). That's a really evasive way of saying that you went out of your way to hide the source behind a tiny number so that you could both pretend it's your content, and have plausible deniability if plagiarism is suspected. Same thing with the images - even though it's correct that this is not plagiarism / not against the rules - saying that you took the images from your own blog (unprompted BTW) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55484950#msg55484950) implies ownership more strongly than if you said nothing. I don't understand why you need to do that. Your posts would have the same value if you fully attributed the source and didn't try to hide it. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: KaneVWE on November 06, 2020, 01:28:04 PM Quote (source link was provided, but inaudible). That's a really evasive way of saying that you went out of your way to hide the source behind a tiny number so that you could both pretend it's your content, and have plausible deniability if plagiarism is suspected. Same thing with the images - even though it's correct that this is not plagiarism / not against the rules - saying that you took the images from your own blog (unprompted BTW) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55484950#msg55484950) implies ownership more strongly than if you said nothing. I don't understand why you need to do that. Your posts would have the same value if you fully attributed the source and didn't try to hide it. Sometimes suchmoon is the second most sensible poster on a thread I contribute to. This is of course a rare instance of clear sighted appraisal by her. I agree this is a deliberate calculated and cunning attempt to claim these pieces of art are you own and for no other reason than to gain unwarranted kudos. It's not like you were going hell for leather fighting armies of colluding scammers and using evidence someone made to support your claims and forgot to reference it on some occasions and not others and gaining a 2 000 000 000 usd equiv air drop for the entire forum. That was apparently reason for a ban lol NOT. Laudas sneaky grafting others words inside her own paragraphs on multiple occasions and then punishing others for way way way less intentional copy and paste is worse than icopress but you should be watched closely. "Those that are faithful in little things " ... You are just simply wishing to look cool posting others art hoping they will believe you're the original source. Then complain about a red tag for that when giving out red tags for totally bogus reasons. I have no idea where you sprung from anyway noob trash. At just the time some other trust abusing scammer plagiarist leaves. Icopress who speaks English with the same condescending shady tones as conniving cat. Both of who's plagiarism is gladly defended by the notorious plagiarism hater ..err I mean hypocrite nullius. Accept your red tag icopress because by your own standards you clearly deserve to have it Sneaky little cry baby turd. You use the trust system for personal vendettas based on way way less ... actually nothing that would hold up to scrutiny at all. Live by your own standards I don't think it's bad enough for you to have a ban. However you give red tags for nothing so stop crying when you get one for being sneaky and greedy. Make your own art in future. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: icopress on November 06, 2020, 04:49:43 PM I don't understand why you need to do that. Your posts would have the same value if you fully attributed the source and didn't try to hide it. Thanks for your reply, you have a good viewing angle.But all people, it seems to me, subconsciously perceive others, through the prism of their own personality and their thinking, (and I am no exception). So I logically assumed that the reader can understand that these quoted headings are interrelated and have subordinate text. Anyway, I think the question has run its course, as the incorrect citation form has been corrected (although I'll probably go over the post history again). As for the images, it seemed to me that everything is obvious here, given that these are fairly well-known images from different parts of the world. Not to mention that it was all posted on the "Wall Observer". And you pointed out correctly ... that I pointed out that this is a collection of images from my blog (all three parts are positioned as a single whole, and also include not only photographs of Dietmar.). And the blog is listed as the source from where these photos were mainly imported (some remained). Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: Timelord2067 on November 06, 2020, 09:19:30 PM I don't understand why you need to do that. Your posts would have the same value if you fully attributed the source and didn't try to hide it. Thanks for your reply, you have a good viewing angle. ... Is suchmoon insisting *all* users on the forum attribute *all* images they use and equally DT distrusting *all* users of the Forum when they don't? Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: hacker1001101001 on November 07, 2020, 02:53:17 AM Got your message to reply here, OP, and I will. Give me a few hours. Same, I will respond properly tomorrow. I haven’t forgotten bro. How many of us did he PM? ;) Come on, you don't know VOD ? "Call Of Gang". As icopress is a pussy licker its acceptable from people with that mentality to be a coward. Vod, 6-7 (Only those whose judgments I trust) ;) This is a clear view of what's going around and how prominent users are becoming experts in pulling out plagiarism rules all over. IcoPress is an trust and flag abuser and can't be trusted due to his biased judgements and motives of manipulating DT. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: suchmoon on November 07, 2020, 03:01:23 AM Is suchmoon insisting *all* users on the forum attribute *all* images they use That's literally the opposite of what I said but don't let your reading disability get in the way of an opportunity to bitch some more (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5278820). this is not plagiarism / not against the rules Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: Timelord2067 on November 07, 2020, 08:39:31 AM suchmoon has a long way to go...
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Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (https://loyce.club/trust/). Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: lovesmayfamilis on November 07, 2020, 10:55:01 AM WhiteManWhite has left the forum. Therefore, I think no vendetta and continuation of the story should be expected.
The reviews that you left for each other will remain unchanged. In any case, whoever becomes a DT should be very careful and competent in leaving feedback. There are many rules, and I often file complaints about plagiarism, but all decisions in any case remain with the moderators. Leaving red trusts to everyone indiscriminately is an indicator of intemperance. And I would like to advise icopress to become independent and stop relying on “people I respect”. You very often put emphasis, underline the words "Dear users", it looks like sycophant on your part ;D. It's time to build trust, not with personal messages, but in plain sight. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: LoyceV on November 07, 2020, 11:22:22 AM WhiteManWhite has left the forum. That's a plot twist :oThis post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105163.msg55535325#msg55535325) translated: Quote from: WhiteManWhite (November 6, 2020) through Google Translate OK. Respect to all free cryptans! I am leaving to rest, when I return I cannot say. I have long wanted to devote 100% of my time to my family. If I come back, be sure to ask, is this exactly the WhiteManWhite? Grin All my personal mail has been deleted by me. The password for the forum has not been compromised anywhere and cannot be obtained. Therefore, do not believe any information allegedly transmitted by me or on my behalf. For 5 years talk has given me a lot. In short ..! It was interesting and fun with you Smiley please do not rub this post Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: hacker1001101001 on November 08, 2020, 02:05:24 AM WhiteManWhite has left the forum. What a shame ! :'( Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: Timelord2067 on November 08, 2020, 02:40:49 AM WhiteManWhite has left the forum. What a shame ! :'( I've been considering DT distrusting whitemanwhite (and in turn DT trusting icopress - despite the fact it would disadvantage me due to both of their trust/distrust lists opposite to mine) - I won't have any hesitation to do so if whitemanwhite comes back and doubles down on their actions. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: suchmoon on November 08, 2020, 03:24:18 AM That's a plot twist :o Nah... forum-leaving dramas are fashionable these days. Plagiarising user red trusting others for alleged plagiarism is also a movie we've seen before I think. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: hacker1001101001 on November 08, 2020, 04:02:29 AM WhiteManWhite has left the forum. What a shame ! :'( I've been considering DT distrusting whitemanwhite (and in turn DT trusting icopress - despite the fact it would disadvantage me due to both of their trust/distrust lists opposite to mine) - I won't have any hesitation to do so if whitemanwhite comes back and doubles down on their actions. That would be an quite unpleasant move even after knowing icopress has motives of mobbing around by sending PMs to veteran members here. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: Timelord2067 on November 08, 2020, 09:07:55 AM That would be an quite unpleasant move even after knowing icopress has motives of mobbing around by sending PMs to veteran members here. I don't really see that as being that big an issue - reaching out to others for help and tho obtain their opinions... It'd be like setting up a group of people in a conglomerate ... or a guild even. I haven't just arbitrarily taken heavy handed action, rather I've opened the discussion up further. Thoughts anyone? Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: GazetaBitcoin on November 08, 2020, 10:32:12 AM WhiteManWhite has left the forum. Oh no... what should we do now? :( So after he tried to go over mprep and reach theymos, he got so disappointed by theymos which did not reply to him and, as a consequence for the forum itself not helping him prove that he overreacted toward icopress, he left the forum. Whata loss! From now on things will never be the same, heh? Oh well, farewell WhiteManWhite! May your life take you only on routes where you hold the absolute truth and nobody will ever dare to say you are wrong! Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: KaneVWE on November 08, 2020, 11:12:36 AM That would be an quite unpleasant move even after knowing icopress has motives of mobbing around by sending PMs to veteran members here. I don't really see that as being that big an issue - reaching out to others for help and tho obtain their opinions... It'd be like setting up a group of people in a conglomerate ... or a guild even. I haven't just arbitrarily taken heavy handed action, rather I've opened the discussion up further. Thoughts anyone? I think objective obaervers can see you're a pathetic drooling imbecile ready to suck up to anyone that will support you on DT. Your judgement is literally meaningless. So shut up about it as if it is some piece of important and weighty data that needs to be given serious consideration. Lol You're clearly deranged or a serious drug user. You are one of the dumbest and least successful legends here. Still begging and spamming around on a 3rd rate sig. What a loser. And a scammer protector. I have clearly demonstrated that 1. Icopress uses the trust system as a tool for personal retribution 2. Icopress has given red trust for personal retribution on weaker and less appropriate evidence than he is crying he received it. 3. Icopress is a cry baby bitch who wants to be treated way better than he treats others. 4. Icopress is clearly trying to pass art off as his own that is the work of others. 5. Icopress appeared from WHERE? Never heard of this loud mouth twat attention seeker before lauda and tman started vanishing. 6. Icopress seems to be getting the nullius protection racket text wall defense treatment that lauda did. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: Timelord2067 on November 09, 2020, 01:54:09 AM I think objective obaervers can see you're a pathetic drooling imbecile ready to suck up to anyone that will support you on DT. Observers is mispelt by you. Quote Your judgement is literally meaningless. Which is why you felt compelled to comment on it. Quote So shut up about it as if it is some piece of important and weighty data that needs to be given serious consideration. Lol Likewise I am sure. Quote You're clearly deranged or a serious drug user. Without proof, we'll never know. Quote You are one of the dumbest and least successful legends here. And yet I have no negative trust feedback from any DT1 or DT2. Yet you do. (pokes out tongue) Quote Still begging and spamming around on a 3rd rate sig. I'm being paid to post the posts I would have posted any way, how cool is that (especially given there is no editorial control over my posts...) Quote What a loser. Stick and stones... Quote And a scammer protector. Without proof, it's only the voices in your head telling you that. Quote I have clearly demonstrated that Oh come come - your rant is against me, surely you can focus on one shiny thing at a time? Quote
I've added BBCode to your list (such as it is) given you don't seem to know how to do such things. I'll wager BTC 0.0001 you can't make it to Legendary. Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on November 09, 2020, 02:49:35 AM Nah... forum-leaving dramas are fashionable these days. I don't mind the forum-leaving drama if the member actually leaves the forum for good. It's when you get turds like cryptohunter saying oh, fare-thee-well you crotchety cocksuckers and then return with one of more alt accounts within a month, that's what grinds my dingus.So if WhiteManWhite is gone, that's cool...just as long as he's gone. Plagiarising user red trusting others for alleged plagiarism is also a movie we've seen before I think. Oh yeah, I think the tape has been on loop for the last few years or so. It's funny sometimes how plagiarists call attention to their own misdoings by making a stink about some other member's plagiaristic tendencies because of some personal grudge. That's a comedy I don't mind seeing a few times.Title: Re: Using the trust system for personal Vendetta Post by: KaneVWE on November 09, 2020, 04:15:51 PM I think objective obaervers can see you're a pathetic drooling imbecile ready to suck up to anyone that will support you on DT. Observers is mispelt by you. Quote Your judgement is literally meaningless. Which is why you felt compelled to comment on it. Quote So shut up about it as if it is some piece of important and weighty data that needs to be given serious consideration. Lol Likewise I am sure. Quote You're clearly deranged or a serious drug user. Without proof, we'll never know. Quote You are one of the dumbest and least successful legends here. And yet I have no negative trust feedback from any DT1 or DT2. Yet you do. (pokes out tongue) Quote Still begging and spamming around on a 3rd rate sig. I'm being paid to post the posts I would have posted any way, how cool is that (especially given there is no editorial control over my posts...) Quote What a loser. Stick and stones... Quote And a scammer protector. Without proof, it's only the voices in your head telling you that. Quote I have clearly demonstrated that Oh come come - your rant is against me, surely you can focus on one shiny thing at a time? Quote
I've added BBCode to your list (such as it is) given you don't seem to know how to do such things. I'll wager BTC 0.0001 you can't make it to Legendary. 1. You didnt debunk or even try tefute any point I made regarding icopress 2. You're a proven scammer protector. 3. Lol at no red trust from current DT. That probably means you're dirty. Which you are. Lol at the pharmacist i can see he is still opening his moronic gob. That non achieving retard keep talking as if his opinion has any credibility. |
