Title: NotYourKeys.org (now with a Community Contribution campaign) Post by: cryptosec.info on November 07, 2020, 05:53:01 AM Decided to create a one-page Basic Bitcoin security guidelines site, as to have a quick link to give to beginners that are just getting started with hodling bitcoin. Yes, it’s intentionally not 100% complete with information concerning coin-control and such, but this is to hopefully not overwhelm the beginners.
Hope you guys like it, and happy HODLing! https://NotYourKeys.org/ I decided to create an avatar campaign! NotYourKeys.org - Community Contribution Avatar Campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5292109) If you want to spread the word of the importance of self custody especially now that were closing in to bitcoin's all-time high, you can help out by using the avatars below. This campaign might not get any traction at all, but if it ends up helping one person secure his or her funds then it's totally worth it. Simply right click and save(imgur link (https://imgur.com/a/Jgjmacu)): https://i.imgur.com/6HUkLlc.png https://i.imgur.com/9M1aTRV.png https://i.imgur.com/iLXEzir.png https://i.imgur.com/BKX5gaq.png https://i.imgur.com/HuUVdch.png I added colour choices just for fun. :D if you're a lot more creative than me, feel free to create your own avatar design. It's the message that matters, anyway. or, if your signature campaign requires you to use an avatar, you can just add "NotYourKeys.org" to your personal text area instead. NOTE: Wearing this avatar is free. It's pretty much doesn't earn any money, so I won't be able to pay anything. Yes, the site contains a bitcoin donation address, but I don't expect to receive any donations anyway, and that's totally fine by me. Final note: If you don't want to help out, that's totally fine. But if you want to help sharing, then in behalf of the community, I really thank you. Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: DoublerHunter on November 07, 2020, 06:00:37 AM ^ That is very informative but it looks like you input a very common problem which everyone knows and lack of information regarding the wallet. That is definitely right, not your key, not your crypto but I think the best bitcoin wallet that intends for holding long term is a paper wallet. However, this is not good for a new bitcoin holder due to the fact that probably will have a glitch upon creating a paper wallet. Nevertheless, in addition to the security list, beware of double sending transactions, they should wait for at least 1 confirmation.
Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: btc_angela on November 07, 2020, 06:34:39 AM And maybe you can add this as well: [Guide] Secure air-gapped crypto wallet storage method (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828437.0). Regarding Ledger though, since the data breach, there have been a lot of attacks as of late,
https://cointelegraph.com/news/ledger-owners-lose-1-1-million-xrp-to-scam-site Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: Charles-Tim on November 07, 2020, 07:00:19 AM Quote Since the inception of Bitcoin and the cryptocurrency industry, there has been a total of 47 exchanges hacked, with approximately $2.1 billion in stolen money from exchange users. More than 47 exchanges has been hacked, which even shows how exchanges are not secure by descern. Use the below quote to count the numbers to make proper edition. But, I can not keep it to myself to comment about your write up, it really make good sense. "Not your keys, Not your Bitcoin" 2011 > 7 Code:
2012 > 5 Code: Year Month Exchange Amount/$ Hacked Source: 2013 > 18 Code: Year Month Exchange Amount/$ Hacked Source: 2014 > 12 Code: Year Month Exchange Amount/$ Hacked Source: 2015 > 7 Code: Year Month Exchange Amount/$ Hacked Source: 2016 > 5 Code: Year Month Exchange Amount/$ Hacked Source: 2017 > 5 Code: Year Month Exchange Amount/$ Hacked Source: 2018 > 9 Code: Year Month Exchange Amount/$ Hacked Source: 2019 > 16 Code: Year Month Exchange Amount/$ Hacked Source: 2020 > 4 Code: Year Month Exchange Amount/$ Hacked Source: Please, post your comment if you are affected by this unpleasant situation or how you solved it, of course, it can help a lot. Before this thread, in the forum there was a thread with very detailed information, but it is no longer updated, I leave the link in case you want to visit it, maybe some information is useful for you. List of Major Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576337.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576337.0) Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: Lorence.xD on November 07, 2020, 07:04:09 AM And maybe you can add this as well: [Guide] Secure air-gapped crypto wallet storage method (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828437.0). Regarding Ledger though, since the data breach, there have been a lot of attacks as of late, I do think that it is an advance level for the bieginners in cryptocurrency. It is not like everyone will be a target of this attacks. I say do not flood them with information that they will not use for the time being. Kudos to OP for making an informative website to help beginners get into the community without being intimidated.https://cointelegraph.com/news/ledger-owners-lose-1-1-million-xrp-to-scam-site Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: jtomtan on November 07, 2020, 07:58:06 AM Decided to create a one-page Basic Bitcoin security guidelines site, as to have a quick link to give to beginners that are just getting started with hodling bitcoin. Yes, it’s intentionally not 100% complete with information concerning coin-control and such, but this is to hopefully not overwhelm the beginners. Hope you guys like it, and happy HODLing! https://NotYourKeys.org/ I think you should include Ownbit in the wallet list. I think it's the best compared to any others. Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: LogitechMouse on November 07, 2020, 08:19:22 AM I like the simplicity of the website to be honest.
Simple yet informative :). That would be better for the eyes of other people. I also laughed a bit with the quote in the end which is true. Possible that there will be some who will question some things in your website but that is still ok if it will improve the site. Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: mk4 on November 07, 2020, 08:49:09 AM I think you should include Ownbit in the wallet list. I think it's the best compared to any others. Seems like a wallet that's a bit under the radar as I've only heard of this one just now. Not saying that this wallet is bad(it actually looks good), but I'd personally prefer recommending wallets that are already quite reputable. Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: fiulpro on November 07, 2020, 11:39:50 AM This right here is not just for beginners but also for people who are still using exchanges and wallets.
I have heard about news where people actually had millions worth of Bitcoins but still decided to store them in an exchange!! You have to invest if you have to make things work out. If you are holding Bitcoins above a certain value and you want to hold it for a long term then you should buy a hardware wallet. - exchanges are also different , find the one that's secure and good for you - one has to also focus on mobile security, cyber security , make sure you don't accidentally install any malicious malware , install apps from non trusted websites. But kudos on trying to help the beginners. It's a really good initiative. Keep updating and adding !! Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: dkbit98 on November 07, 2020, 12:38:41 PM Website looks good but I would not say that mobile wallets are more secure than wallets installed on desktop/laptop computers.
I think there is also one error and missing letter N in word buch, and it should be bunch I think. :) Quote Out of the buch, hardware wallets provide the best security, followed by mobile phones, then desktop/laptop computers. https://notyourkeys.org/Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: crypticj on November 07, 2020, 01:00:44 PM Design could be a bit better but i like the whole idea of it
Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: bL4nkcode on November 07, 2020, 01:08:56 PM I think you should include Ownbit in the wallet list. I think it's the best compared to any others. Unknown wallet with promising words. You should at least check other reputed wallets before comparing this new wallet of yours.To OP, I guess you're underestimating or didn't heard on how desktop wallets especially an air-gapped desktop works, than using a mobile wallet on your definition of having the best security. Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: acquafredda on November 07, 2020, 01:14:31 PM Decided to create a one-page Basic Bitcoin security guidelines site, as to have a quick link to give to beginners that are just getting started with hodling bitcoin. Yes, it’s intentionally not 100% complete with information concerning coin-control and such, but this is to hopefully not overwhelm the beginners. Well done, it can be a very good quick start guide into bitcoin security and OpSec. There are a few subjects which require a lot of study and research but I guess for a privacy-oreinted beginner it's a good place to find more than basic info.Hope you guys like it, and happy HODLing! https://NotYourKeys.org/ Allow me to suggest an add to your site, regarding point 9 https://bitcoinqna.github.io/noKYConly/ Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: o_e_l_e_o on November 07, 2020, 04:21:42 PM A small criticism for an otherwise great effort OP:
Quote A recovery seed is also referred as a "backup seed", "recovery phrase", "backup phrase", "private keys", etc. A recovery seed is definitely not also referred to as a "private key", and if it is, then it is being done so incorrectly. They are two very different things. I would remove the words "private keys" from this sentence.And maybe you can add this as well: [Guide] Secure air-gapped crypto wallet storage method (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2828437.0). Although a great post, it definitely does not fit with a "quick guide for beginners".I think you should include Ownbit in the wallet list. I think it's the best compared to any others. The website links to a GitHub, but the GitHub page simply contains a bunch of forks of other projects and some vary basic wallet code which is over 2 years old. Based on that, the wallet is not open source and therefore should not be recommended.Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: acquafredda on November 08, 2020, 10:55:12 AM One last thing from me: it is definitely fair to suggest using Wasabi Wallet under the Desktop category. Users should be advised that Wasabi Wallet is a different wallet though, focused on privacy. I would not use WW as I use Electrum for example. I guess beginners should first learn about the bitcoin basics and then move onto more advanced tools such as WW. I don't know if it makes sense.
Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: cryptosec.info on November 09, 2020, 09:49:22 AM I genuinely thank you for the warm welcome of my small project, and thanks a lot of the recommendations. You guys definitely gave valuable information and opinions. Thanks a lot!
Good idea, but there are few things that could be improved. Thanks for this. Was trying to make the page as brief and simple as possible, without realizing that I sacrificed the knowledge part.1. You might want to define "non-custodial", it might be confusing for beginner who isn't native english speaker. 2. Remove ColdCard from list of Hardware Wallet, it's not user friendly at all. 3. Sentence "Hardware > Mobile > Desktop" is a bit ambiguous, add more context or turn it into a short paragraph. Design could be a bit better but i like the whole idea of it I intentionally made it a one-page as-simple-as-possible content for the beginners with a Medium-like feel, as so they wouldn't be overwhelmed by information and unnecessary designs.Well done, it can be a very good quick start guide into bitcoin security and OpSec. There are a few subjects which require a lot of study and research but I guess for a privacy-oreinted beginner it's a good place to find more than basic info. Added!Allow me to suggest an add to your site, regarding point 9 https://bitcoinqna.github.io/noKYConly/ A recovery seed is definitely not also referred to as a "private key", and if it is, then it is being done so incorrectly. They are two very different things. I would remove the words "private keys" from this sentence. I'm completely aware that they're different things. What I meant with that part, is that some people use "recovery seed" and "private keys" interchangeably regardless if they're not exactly the same. Though I removed that part to prevent misinterpretation.One last thing from me: it is definitely fair to suggest using Wasabi Wallet under the Desktop category. Users should be advised that Wasabi Wallet is a different wallet though, focused on privacy. I would not use WW as I use Electrum for example. I guess beginners should first learn about the bitcoin basics and then move onto more advanced tools such as WW. I don't know if it makes sense. People can still use Wasabi Wallet without using the CoinJoin features.Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: acquafredda on November 19, 2020, 01:13:48 PM I am going back to the suggested Mobile Wallets to make a quick comment: you are suggesting three good wallets but there is one caveat that must be made. Those ones are not open source and/or the code is not reproducible (please check https://walletscrutiny.com/ for further details).
Being your site focus on privacy and security I would add some notes regarding those wallets: forward your visitors to wallet scrutiny to make their own judgement. I know I sound pick but security is never enough. ;) Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: Artemis3 on November 19, 2020, 07:53:40 PM I think you should stick to Free and Open Source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software) wallets and operating systems. You never know what hidden exploit or backdoor could have a wallet with closed code.
This might sound boring for non computer geeks, but its seriously important to improve computer security. Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: Joel_Jantsen on November 19, 2020, 07:58:12 PM I wish we had sort of a system on bitcointalk where we force members to read this document and then take a small test based on those security concepts as one of the required criteria to get promoted to a higher level member. Like NewBie to Junior member no test but one has to pass the test to become Full Member and above. The plan is to get everyone educated on basic security-related stuff in bitcoin. This website has all the required information. Good work!
Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org Post by: cryptosec.info on November 22, 2020, 08:09:28 AM Hey guys! I decided to create an avatar campaign for those who want to help out. :) Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to have an avatar yet. Maybe soon!
NotYourKeys.org - Community Contribution Avatar Campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5292109) Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org (now with a Community Contribution campaign) Post by: MusaMohamed on November 23, 2020, 08:26:29 AM On your site, you gave readers some good non-custodial wallets for desktop and mobile. Electrum wallet is listed but for desktop only. Why did you not put Electrum in Mobile wallet? Electrum has mobile wallet: https://electrum.org/#download
Quote Some Non-Custodial Wallets Hardware: Ledger | Trezor | Coldcard Mobile: BlueWallet | BRD | Samourai Wallet Desktop: Electrum | Wasabi Wallet You created a good site from domain names (easy to remember) to documents but you forgot a very important thing for bitcoin wallets: Verification that must be done to avoid loss for phishing sites and bad applications. How to Safely Download and Verify Electrum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5240594.msg54223763#msg54223763). Quote Warning: Electrum versions older than 3.3.4 are susceptible to phishing. Do not download Electrum from another source than electrum.org, and learn to verify GPG signatures. Latest release: Electrum-4.0.5 Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org (now with a Community Contribution campaign) Post by: ndalliard on November 30, 2020, 09:58:25 AM This is an awesome idea / site.
Is there a reason the Bitcoin Core (https://bitcoincore.org/) Wallet (in the desktop section) isn't listed? Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org (now with a Community Contribution campaign) Post by: ndalliard on November 30, 2020, 03:44:25 PM Is there a reason the Bitcoin Core (https://bitcoincore.org/) Wallet (in the desktop section) isn't listed? Imagine yourself when you discover bitcoin for first time and ask this question to yourself, do you want to download and store 300GB+ (you only need to store few GB if you use prune mode) of blockchain while there are light wallet (such as Electrum)? Sure, I would, I think that is the whole point of BTC. Minimizing trust. Title: Re: NotYourKeys.org (now with a Community Contribution campaign) Post by: mk4 on December 01, 2020, 03:45:34 AM Sure, I would, I think that is the whole point of BTC. Minimizing trust. That makes sense. But prooobably not a good idea to recommend for the masses. I personally think it's better to point them to the user-friendly wallets first, and if they actually want to get serious with Bitcoin, chances are they'll find their way into running their own node. Personally even as a decently tech-savvy person, I could see the possibility of me getting easily uninterested when starting out. |