Title: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 08, 2020, 05:10:35 PM I remember reading threads created maybe a year after satoshi was gone. There were people that didn't understand why the creator hadn't shown up for so long. The creator introduced himself as "Satoshi Nakamoto" but this name isn't weird. If he put a name like "Unknown X" or "Jeff Banklessman" we could understand that this isn't his real name.
We had to search this name in the entire world in order to convince ourselves that it's a pseudonym, and we only found a Dorian Nakamoto. I admit that Satoshi picked a nice name if he wanted to retain his anonymity. (and be serious at the same time) Back to the question of the title, when did we find out it wasn't a thing at all? Who questioned those first? Hey, where is @satoshi? Why isn't he online anymore? Does he hold many bitcoins? Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? I've read that both theymos and Sirius hadn't any special contact with Satoshi. Sirius purchased the domain, helped by spreading bitcoin and theymos was later an admin on this place. (I believe that satoshi gave him the admin role) Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: 20kevin20 on November 08, 2020, 05:28:35 PM I wasn't here at the time, but I suppose people knew Satoshi has been a pseudonym from the start. Otherwise, it would've been quite suspicious to find out as an investor that the creator of your asset is actually an artificial identity although you always thought he was real. Would've lowered the credibility of Bitcoin considerably. Satoshi never gave much details about his identity and as long as people never questioned him, I suppose this is what happened. Just my 2c.
Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: tsaroz on November 08, 2020, 05:47:39 PM The people close to satoshi and bitcoin might have found it soon for satoshi's fondness for anonymity. Satoshi had take his/her/its steps so carefully not to leave a track. Anyone tracking satoshi's behavior would have found it.
I came to know about satoshi after he left bitcoin, so I was introduced to satoshi as an pseudonym but the funny thing is I've seen several papers and books still claiming Satoshi Nakamoto as a person and some even go further to call him a Japanese citizen. Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: Twentyonepaylots on November 08, 2020, 06:04:16 PM Sirius does not have any contacts to Satoshi Nakamoto, he already cleared this up from the beginning. Talking about who is Satoshi Nakamoto is an old thing to do but I guess it's not irrelevant or will never be irrelevant as long as we can see bitcoin on the internet. This still amaze me, thinking how his creation got this far, and him not showing up though he knew it ( or he don't coz he's probably dead but we don't know ) For a person to introduce a new system of money to get himself a pseudonym is natural for me.
Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: Sterbens on November 08, 2020, 06:08:35 PM I am also still looking for the name and the truth, although it is commonplace that Satoshi Nakamoto's name always appears on the first branda when searching. indeed the goal is to maintain privacy. But what is that name or what is the pseudonym that is currently the forerunner of our wealth today. There are many claims everywhere, so it becomes a matter of mothers and is confused about who is ready and where it comes from. life or death. is still a mystery and a name that will become legendary in the cryptocurrency world
Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: Coin-Keeper on November 08, 2020, 06:59:21 PM Satoshi has been a pseudonym from the start. In the same way we here use pseudonyms to maintain our anonymity as well. Where I live it would be somewhat dangerous for it to be established that I have bitcoins.
Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: bL4nkcode on November 08, 2020, 07:13:54 PM A man fond of cryptography will always be in encrypted-mode, that is Satoshi is known, its been more than a decade yet no one still knows who the hell is this person.
I've read that both theymos and Sirius hadn't any special contact with Satoshi. Sirius purchased the domain, helped by spreading bitcoin and theymos was later an admin on this place. (I believe that satoshi gave him the admin role) Sirius gave and took over the admin role to theymosSatoshi created the forum on Nov 22, 2009, and was head administrator until almost 2011. Then Sirius was head administrator until 2012, which is when I took over. Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: Charles-Tim on November 08, 2020, 07:44:35 PM I've read that both theymos and Sirius hadn't any special contact with Satoshi. Sirius purchased the domain, helped by spreading bitcoin and theymos was later an admin on this place. (I believe that satoshi gave him the admin role) Can you answer this question? Can someone hired you for a job with you no knowing the person? Yes, it is very possible. So, you just do not have to link this to theymos. Satoshi Nakamoto is the creator of bitcoin, Satoshi left because he wanted us to realize we are the Satoshi. If you are one of the bitcoin developers and/or holders, and you believe you people are Satoshi, then you are Satoshi. Anyone adding to the progress of bitcoin is Satoshi. Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: avikz on November 08, 2020, 07:51:33 PM Back to the question of the title, when did we find out it wasn't a thing at all? Who questioned those first? Hey, where is @satoshi? Why isn't he online anymore? Does he hold many bitcoins? Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? Why does it matter at all? What will you do if you know who Satoshi Nakamoto is? As a bitcoiner, why can't we stop discussing about it? Why can't we just let this mystery unresolved? The simple answer to your question is - "No one knows"! And I personally would like to keep it that way only! There's nothing we are going to achieve if we know who Satoshi Nakamoto is so please put an end to such discussions! Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 08, 2020, 08:19:45 PM Satoshi Nakamoto is the creator of bitcoin, Satoshi left because he wanted us to realize we are the Satoshi. If you are one of the bitcoin developers and/or holders, and you believe you people are Satoshi, then you are Satoshi. Anyone adding to the progress of bitcoin is Satoshi. We keep saying this, because it sounds nice, but I personally think that he didn't leave the community (only) for that purpose. A person that holds an enormous number of bitcoins would not be fair to spend them. Satoshi had realized that he had created something that would change the world, the way money works. He never spent a bitcoin (from those that he mined at least), because he didn't want to take advantage of his project. But would this be enough? No! If some people knew that someone owns a million coins they would be pissed off. Imagine seeing the creator of bitcoin posting everyday here on bitcointalk. It would be a disadvantage of bitcoin that one person owns most of the coins. Not to mention that he wanted to hide his identity. Saying that we are all satoshi means that we all have the same power over the creation and that's true. Although, opportunities are not the same and this is what matters after all. I wish I had got an advertisement about bitcoin back in 2012. Why does it matter at all? What will you do if you know who Satoshi Nakamoto is? As a bitcoiner, why can't we stop discussing about it? Why can't we just let this mystery unresolved? If you had taken a better look to my post, you would see that I'm not querying who is satoshi nakamoto. I know that it is an unresolved mystery, I'm just asking who was the first one that ever questioned who satoshi may be.The simple answer to your question is - "No one knows"! And I personally would like to keep it that way only! There's nothing we are going to achieve if we know who Satoshi Nakamoto is so please put an end to such discussions! Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: shield132 on November 08, 2020, 08:51:58 PM The most curious thing for me is the following: Wasn't police interested with Theymos or Sirius? If yes, then I hugely doubt it would be hard for them to reach them but if no, then why? Why wasn't there a serious investigation? It's also hard to believe, persons didn't know each other but trusted each other and made so serious project with serious community.
Let's move on satoshi: Just googled and according to Wikipedia: Satoshi is generally a masculine Japanese given name. Possible writings: philosophy, clear, enlightenment, apprehension, quick, sharp, knowledge, wisdom, intelligent, clever, bright, intelligent, teach, instruct, proclaim, instruct. According to babynames: The name Satoshi means Intelligent History and is of Japanese origin. Satoshi is a name that's been used primarily by parents who are considering baby names for boys. So, in overall Satoshi means knowledge and knowledge is the power. Creation of bitcoin is the result of knowledge. According to ancestry, Nakamoto means: central origin. The word origin itself means the beginning or cause of something. I believe that this combination of the name means something, it should be symbolic. And this person (maybe it was team but that person who decided to name himself or the group - Satoshi Nakamoto) would be very interested in Japanese mythology too but not actually Japanese. Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: Mbitr on November 09, 2020, 09:44:29 AM @OP - I understand where you’re coming from. I believe you’re looking for when people started to question who or what was Satoshi Nakamoto .
In this thread from Jan 12th 2011 - forum member Kiba starts a thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2757.140 Whether this is the first time people start to ask this question , I’m not sure - but it may help you out a bit ! Good luck :) Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: BitcoinFX on November 09, 2020, 04:30:53 PM ...snip... I've read that both theymos and Sirius hadn't any special contact with Satoshi. Sirius purchased the domain, helped by spreading bitcoin and theymos was later an admin on this place. (I believe that satoshi gave him the admin role) ... Re: How did Satoshi register bitcoin.org? Theymos maybe you want to post a more appropriate source. Satoshi owns the domain so this is up to him. I remember that bitcoin.org was registered with Anonymous Speech when Satoshi owned it. You can probably confirm this with one of the services that provide historical whois data. ... ...snip... it actually was. Martti Malmi says that Bitcoin.org was "originally created by Satoshi." in this 2014 article: https://www.businessinsider.com/swiss-software-developer-bitcoin-2014-4?international=true&r=US&IR=T bitcoin.org was originally registered and owned by Satoshi, I recall 100% correctly ... Satoshi registered the domain bitcoin.org on 18-Aug-2008 here; - https://web.archive.org/web/20080624071959/http://www.anonymousspeech.com/default.aspx The most likely method of payment being cash-in-the-mail or e-gold. This blog post is also highly factual regarding the subject ... - https://whoissatoshi.wordpress.com/2016/01/27/digital-evidence/ ... I think that the most interesting thing about the Satoshi Nakamoto pseudonym is that it is perhaps only partly pseudonymous. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts, although the originator, in all likelihood, was/is one individual. It is interesting to note how the mythopoeia somewhat started in the "Is Satoshi Alive? Thread" though. Satoshi's final forum post ... - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2228.msg29479#msg29479 Satoshi's last known email contact ... - https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET - Date: Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM ...snip... Let's move on satoshi: Just googled and according to Wikipedia: Satoshi is generally a masculine Japanese given name. Possible writings: philosophy, clear, enlightenment, apprehension, quick, sharp, knowledge, wisdom, intelligent, clever, bright, intelligent, teach, instruct, proclaim, instruct. According to babynames: The name Satoshi means Intelligent History and is of Japanese origin. Satoshi is a name that's been used primarily by parents who are considering baby names for boys. So, in overall Satoshi means knowledge and knowledge is the power. Creation of bitcoin is the result of knowledge. According to ancestry, Nakamoto means: central origin. The word origin itself means the beginning or cause of something. I believe that this combination of the name means something, it should be symbolic. And this person (maybe it was team but that person who decided to name himself or the group - Satoshi Nakamoto) would be very interested in Japanese mythology too but not actually Japanese. Here you go ... ;) ...snip... Hal Finney though, was telling us the truth! ...snip... Today, Satoshi's true identity has become a mystery. But at the time, I thought I was dealing with a young man of Japanese ancestry who was very smart and sincere. I've had the good fortune to know many brilliant people over the course of my life, so I recognize the signs. ...snip... Google Translate ... Satoshi Nakamoto 中本聡 = Nakamoto Satoshi Look up the individual characters ... 中 = centre 本 = origin, the true ... 智 = wisdom, intelligence ... Chinese Simplified = 中本聪 聪俊 Chinese Traditional = 中本聰 聰俊 俊 Chinese = Handsome Japanese = (Toshi) shin Nakamoto = 中本聰 ... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language Israelites Records Found In Japan -The Gathering of Israel Continues. - https://youtu.be/Mor4x9yMmAk The Mystery of Jews in Japan ~ Susanoo-No-Mikoto Part I - https://youtu.be/2Ae3rnNQqcM ... No, not the CIA ... but through the centre ... Japanese mon (currency) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_mon_(currency) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_mon_(currency)) Also see: Kaei period "Edasen" ("Branch money") Japanese currency - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_currency https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Bundles_of_100_copper_Mon_coins.jpg/800px-Bundles_of_100_copper_Mon_coins.jpg String of cash coins (currency unit) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_of_cash_coins_(currency_unit) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_of_cash_coins_(currency_unit)) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/A_Sichuanese_Man_Carrying_13%2C500_Cash_Coins.jpg ... Also see: Rai stones - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones N.B. Much like in Bitcoin the coinbase (no not Coinbase that's a company), the Rai stones never move, they only change ownership! - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Coinbase ... The Deeper Hebrew Meaning of the Biblical ‘Tree of Knowledge’ - https://www.hebrewversity.com/deeper-hebrew-meaning-biblical-tree-knowledge/ Re: Bitcoin source from November 2008. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=382374.msg4108706#msg4108706 Quote // // The timechain is a tree shaped structure starting with the // genesis block at the root, with each block potentially having multiple // candidates to be the next block. pprev and pnext link a path through the // main/longest chain. A blockindex may have multiple pprev pointing back // to it, but pnext will only point forward to the longest branch, or will // be null if the block is not part of the longest chain. // Pi (Math is everywhere) - https://youtu.be/WFmWhwyA0NU Genesis block - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Genesis_block Book of Genesis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Genesis ... N+1 (Now you do the math!) - https://youtu.be/LJsVDH-3b3Y ... Whois Satoshi? Known Satoshi IP addresses? ... - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5155191.0 :-X Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: acener on November 09, 2020, 04:45:48 PM I found out about it at the same time that I found Bitcoin and cryptocurrency.
I read about Bitcoin and it's creator so I knew that Satoshi Nakamoto isn't the real name of the creator. I was amazed on Bitcoin so I tried to gain 1 but up till now I haven't accumulate 1 whole Bitcoin. Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: MWesterweele on November 09, 2020, 05:44:19 PM I found out about it at the same time that I found Bitcoin and cryptocurrency. When the first time I joined here I remember that during my first 1 month I'm not doing anything like posting or replying in a thread but just reading those only and tried to make a research about what I had read and one of those infomations are about Nakamoto so right from the start I know that Satoshi Nakamoto is just a fake name to hide his or her identity for some reasons.I read about Bitcoin and it's creator so I knew that Satoshi Nakamoto isn't the real name of the creator. I was amazed on Bitcoin so I tried to gain 1 but up till now I haven't accumulate 1 whole Bitcoin. Title: Re: When did we find out Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym? Post by: fiulpro on November 09, 2020, 06:26:52 PM I do believe that even one statement from Satoshi on this forum can change the belief of many. He is a pseudonym is something which was assumed by us because we have actually no proof of who he is and where he is from. He was using a fake name : it was definitely assumed since he insisted on creating something this private and for sure he won't just give away his real name and identification. It could have been very easily misused by others, the government and the people alike. He could have to follow lawsuits and his Invention instead of bringing him fame could have brought down FBI right at his gate.
It's still a mystery and will stay like that until and unless the creator himself decides to reveal something. But the fact that Craig Wright tried to tell people how he is the creator says a lot about the fact that it's a fake name used by someone , known by few , that's why he insisted on claiming it for himself. |