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The Cathedral builders of Europe may not have know that the Earth was round... and still could build big structure.

The slaves of the pharaons building pyramids may have believed that the afterlife was as the priests told.

A Dog may raise his pawn because he likes to please you.

Sadly education can't change "reality"...

Apologies if I've misinterpreted your post, but I'd disagree. It can and does change reality, all the time. Take the recent news of the potential Covid19 vaccine. The scientists who devised and tested the vaccine have years of education behind them, starting with basic maths, biology, chemistry, statistics, and have built on this foundation to discover and prove new information, which can then be used to educate in turn. This is how science progresses. Have theory, test theory, document findings. Repeat. Science advances, technology advances, society advances, the world changes. If this was based on lies, no, it wouldn't be useful.

I'd also take issue with your three examples:
1. Neolithic people couldn't build cathedrals, medieval people could. Because, over generations, they had learned how to do so, and that education had been passed on.
2. Slaves do as they are told, regardless of personal belief or education.
3. Because he has learned that the action evokes a positive response.

You are always free to have your opinions and never apologize for those, it ain't the digital goolag (yet) here :).

You will note that the same scientifics who benefits among those of the intentional release of covid to frame china, steal the election from trump, assure massive bail outs and foster the forced vaccination agendas - never mention the natural immune system, clean and healthy life style (sleep, hydratation, gmo and pesticides and toxin free food, nor moderate physical exercize)... why? Could it be that they ain't educated "enough" and prefer to submit to a commercial agenda making the pharma industry the biggest lobbying group in D.C. as the great Potus Trump said to us? Nor to they speak about the intentionnally designed so called medical drugs to create side effects which will lead to more medical drugs...

Neolithic people could eat mammoth :).
Education, or conditional/behavioral training is a key component of the slave mentality... (if those building the pyramids had say stop, they had already rocks, tools and the fitness to fight their guards)
Noo... because he or she is a Dogie ! Try the same with a wild wolf... raise your pawn... try it... This is the wild, vs the educated.

A good example about education unable to change reality... is it possible to travel at speed faster than light? if it is, it is. if it isn't, it isn't... the nature of mathematics...

in one apple how many trees? depends on the number of years you have for the seeds in the apple to grow :).

I think its matter and that education must be objectif because a lot of subjects have difference in opinions and no party have been able to present arguments to persuade the other one and that goes for religious education too so i think that students must have the choice to choose their own ideas.

Well it’s clear that this is your opinion about education but I disagree to agree with you, hello! The importance of education cannot be over emphasized in our word today. Education has helped the world in all ramifications and the world are craving for more. Education has helped and I can tell you Satoshi Nakamoto whoever he is educated to have thought of these bitcoin technology. Education they say is key so if you want to go. You need the key.

STEM lessons: science, tech, engineering, math are helpful

but things like religion and history. (what we brits call 'humanities' lessons) are twisted in favour of a biased society.

you can argue all you like about who actually won WW2. was it america or britain that defeated the nazi's
but you cant argue math

I tell a kid that its harmful to keep inflammable object near the cooking gas, what I just did is I just educated the kid, education is not always in a synagogue, or modernly called school, education is teaching what is to the person thought, hadn't know or has mis-conception on/about, but religion has it contradiction with science, collectable ancient history and more, there are millions of religion all educating there followers to what the religion thinks of the past, present and generally everything and may differ or in similarities with one or more other religion.

Come on! It's simply your religion to try to take religion out of it. After all, people are inherently religious beings. So, whatever they do is their religion.

And everybody knows that history and popular history are two different things. For example. Any baby boomer remembers the word "Tartar" with reference to a group of people living in areas of the world extending from Turkey through Russia. But few know that the land of the Tartars called Tartary or Tartaria, extended all across Northern Asia, Europe, and North America, in the not so distant past.

The popular history of Tartars is covering the real history. But the real history is coming together after many years, through examination of many documents, and through archaeology, and through linguistics. Perhaps we have or will have genetic markers that almost prove all this.

There isn't a rendering of truth from only your slanted views of things.

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its the 'woke' mentality of not learning things in school and then finding it out via historical records due to the internet making thing more easy.

many people are not informed that the middle east hate britain/america due from the invasions brits/americans done to the otterman area 100+ years ago

many people dont realise that the issues with africa needing so much 'aid' and support is due to again the brit-american invasion of big-agri over the last 80 years

when britain and america talk about their invasions they talk about it like they are doing gods work.
yet for those on the receiving side of the invasions its nothing like that.

different countries 'humanities' subjects teach different communities different things.
and the sure fire way to know if a certain school subject is not 100% true.. if its not teaching the same stuff as other countries.

Education, maybe, can't change reality, but it can change the way we perceive it.

A lot of things that we take for granted today, people couldn't even imagine a hundred years ago.
I wonder what people are going to think about us in the next hundred years.

If education is based on lies, isn't it still useful ?


Teachers still need to make their money, whether or not they are teaching the truth. So simply give them something to teach, so they can buy groceries.


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Education is system that helps shapes your thinking. It is not what you are taught in school that makes one educated, to be educated means you have been empowered with a strategy to seek and get the information you need, and the ability in a long run to unlearn and learn anew throughout life.

Education is the reason we have intellects, what you might be referring to is logic because you included religion there. I would like to refute your statement by saying that education is the key to not become a pawn in someone's game. Without education, we will be going back to our primal instinct that is survival mode. History is debatable but we can always visit the other side of the story if we and the people surrounding us is open-minded, after all, history is fable favored upon. Being educated is also being open-minded.

Education isn't completely perfect because humans itself imperfect so we made the system which maybe not accurate all the time but education system was made based on the actual facts which was proven nit by someone who believe supernatural things.

I don't agree that it's based on lies. It's based on the current knowledge and interpretation of truth. We describe things the way we see them and this description is often subjective. Take a man describing a woman, compared to a woman doing the same. A man will see the features he wants to see, like if she has some nice curves and will rate her based on how attractive she is. He'll be subjective. A straight woman, who is not attracted, will be more objective.
It's also important to add that teaching the current state of knowledge isn't lying, just as a witness who describes the facts the way he saw them is not lying. He may be wrong, but he can't be called a liar as long as he's honest.  

I think education is just part of evolution. Without education it would be very hard to advance. Theories are usually being taken as serious and correct until proofen otherwise. So even a wrong theory can still help to advance humankind because other people will try to prove you wrong. Just look at Einstein in the 20s and 30s. There were so many scienctists saying he was wrong and didn't want to accept his findings.

education does not describe women based on curves or hair colour.
the STEM education(science) bases it on true factual biology. things like genes, and other things.

if a biology class is using common conversation like.. this is a women. but that is a lady.. and that is an old hag. then that biology teacher needs to lose their job.

the only problem i see these days is in the political bias in the humanities lessons and where some schools dont even offer productive stem lessons (only teach language)

The education should be constantly revised. I mostly find some of the course and materials in the books which are obsolete but is still being taught. Education is now a days becoming a business to get money rather than a noble professional to develop a society.

Exactly, I couldn't agree more. For anyone who is unaware of the history, a good place to start might be reading about the Sykes-Picot line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement). Britain and France just decided to carve up the middle-east between them, with an arbitrary partition line that absolutely disregarded thousands of years of local identities, politics and ethnic and tribal groupings. Colonialist contempt for 'lesser' peoples has caused vast amounts of misery and conflict, and the after-effects are still being felt today. And as the US rose to replace Britain and France as the global power in the middle of the last century, so it also took on their role of creating global carnage.

Even people dedicated to telling lies have to tell the truth most of the time or they won't be effective.

When one understand what the 'education system' is geared towards, it becomes highly valuable to identify the lies (which are not usually that difficult to sift out) and analyze the methods, groupings, timings, etc of them.

One may as well group the mainstream media into the 'education system'.  Run by the same people in order to achieve the same set of goals.  Both of them are useful for obtaining trivial information such as how to perform arithmetic, the weather*, etc.

(*) though not large weather events I've found after several times seeing it reported that I was under a 'super typhoon' here in SE Asia and looking out my window at mild blue skies.

maybe looking out your northern facing window (towards the continent) would show blue skies.but if you look at the ocean facing window you might see the typhoon

also SE asia is about 5mill Km² and a super typhoon is only about 0.25mill km²
so only about a 1 in 20 ratio of it being right above/inrange of your town
also the further inland you live the less the risk.

If education is based on lies, isn't it still useful ?


Since the media is educating the people that Biden won, and about the Covid pandemic, we can easily see how this lying education can be beneficial for some people.


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other than context of Engineering and hard science (STEM on #6 franky1) , it is only useful to serve the agenda to satisfies the deep state and their institutions.