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The live betting option on betcoinag seems ridiculous to me.

If I'm placing a bet on a game and a point is scored when its processing. It will only accept the bet if no point is scored or a point is scored by the opposing team. If my team scores a point it will cancel 99% of the time. I'm fine with the other team scoring and the bet accepting. I just want it to be fair both ways. It will 100% cancel one way but not the other, It just seems like a huge scam to me. I think it's extremely shady that it operates this way but maybe I'm just overreacting.

Hopefully I explained that properly would love to hear feedback. Thanks

Can you give a little more details about this, which sport and which market? Optionally followed by a screenshot.
Then we can view and assess it a bit easier.

Aren't such things automatically controlled by the system? You would expect it to be programmed to fetch the correct data from the server and then compare it to the current bet. I notice that there is also sometimes a delay on Live betting. There is no other way, because you never give the correct odds every second. Or it must be that they process it manually, but that doesn't seem to me. Yet a point can make more or less a substantial difference. I think you're referring to basketball?

I think for any kind of game you are talking on and with such explanation, I think that is fraud. Is not right to be so that the gambler has to be cheating while trying to bet if a point is scored against him and it will be cancelled if it happens the other way.

I agree with this. I just want to make the comment that a website must be technically sound, and that it should therefore not be possible to benefit from this on the basis of this?
It also depends on the intention of the player, but it cannot always be measured.

This is sometimes the reason on why i dont really prefer on livebets due to possible delays.

@OP its better to make up some short clip or what because this is a serious matter towards Betcoin.ag site which had been known already into this market as one of the legit bookies atm.

or you can make up some complaints into their main thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139.0

Sure I'll have to deposit there again which isn't happening anytime soon but I'm fine with doing something along those lines. give me a couple days I'll make a video.



And @everyone else This isn't for any particular game. The main problem I have is not that it accepts my bet. It's that my bets get accepted on average at below average odds then what is currently being offered in the match. If what I'm saying is true which I believe it is, They are only accepting matches at equal favor and awful favor to what they have posted. A soccer goal can be scored within that 8 second processing time. A touchdown in football. Which is the nature of live betting but they are basically playing the bettor with their current system.

I also bet on stake and I don't have one complaint about stake live betting because if the odds change. My bet reflects the odds. If I bet on a match at Even odds and a point is scored by the opposing side. My odds shift to match it. It's the least they can do to fix the problem.


Again I'd be 100% happy with the odds being accepted at what I put in if it went both ways. It will not go both ways and I can't just take a picture of this It'd have to be a video. I will work on doing that in the future however I do wanna provide proof and hopefully get them to take action. I like betting there but they either don't believe me or hate me for calling them out.

We are aware of the player's complaint, as he threatened earlier he would make said complaint unless he received a bonus. To clarify, the player is upset because his wager was accepted prior to action taking place which was negative for his side and he believes it would not have been accepted had the action worked in his favor. As we explained to him, he received the exact wager he attempted and we cannot refund a bet based on his speculation that it would have worked out differently had a different action occurred. It is interesting that the player mentions Stake, because if you search the forums they have been accused of this same thing, as has every sportsbook with continuous live betting offered, usually by a player who is not clear on how it is supposed to operate. That said, Stake is a great site and we encourage him to play where he has the best experience.

As always, we strongly encourage anyone with experience with our live betting platform to share their feedback, as well. Thanks and best of luck to all!

To say that I threaten a bonus over this is sad. I asked for a casino bonus this morning but your support is the one that brought up me asking for a freeplay in the ticket not me. I don't wanna show the support tickets but your literally leaving me no choice.. Really shitty move bro

Now I am not siding with the player against betcoin.ag, for the simple reason in all of the firms I  have bet with and I have 20 years experience of inplay with hundreds of firms, none have ever done this.

Having said that the answer above is rubbish and the lack of clarity as to what should happen is pitiful.

What is the norm(and should have been explained) is that when a bet is submitted the delay kicks in, if no event occurs in this delay time(advantaging EITHER TEAM) then the bet is good and valid.

If the Op has his facts right then it is fraud, but for me I  do not think a firm would do this.
 A lot easier to just not pay winners, as many firms do(no aspirations on (Betcoin.ag)

I'm not familiar with betcoin's live betting since i've only tried them pre live but if the score changes while you're betting there should be a notification about an odds change asking you to confirm the bet for the second time.

On the other hand it could be just some bad timing since there's a delay. I also experienced this with other sportsbook when I was live betting some tennis match before I could lock my bet the odds kept getting smaller and at the same time my bet gets rejected.

you are not understanding the dispute.

It is not about the odds changing.

Try and read again the original complaint.

From the original content it seems me like, it's the matter of odd changing only.
When my team has scored a point and their odds was 1.6x, but as they scored a point and at that time i need to place a bet on 1.6x, then the bets will be rejected. This is due to the lower of the odds for the particular team.
It's common and can be seen in most of the sportsbook.
Rather there should be some settings in the sportsbook where you can enable to automatically accept the new changed odds while betting. This will help not to reject your bet.
Hope this helps you OP.

If I were you provide a video explaining it if happens all the time people will just be wondering how was that happening since not all aren't that has familiarity on betcoin platform. You said it yourself that it has a huge chance that it will not accept the bet you have from your team then show some proofI don't think betcoin would stay that longer if they do this.

Keep us updated OP when you already made the video.

This isn't an issue with betcoin. From my usage on other live betting I used to go with specific odds and if the odd vary based on the match dimension automatically the bet gets rejected. Further when we go with the varied odd, automatically the odd will get confirmed.

I suggest to @OP and Betcoin.Ag or support system from Betcoin.Ag to talk privately to solve the problem, and don't talk on here because we don't know anything about @OP, and we only guess what is happening to @OP.
It will not be good if @OP shares the problem if @OP doesn't tell the whole story to us because that can cause misunderstanding between us, causing another problem.
So I hope that @OP can solve his problem and get the right answer from the site, so there is no other problem that needs to be solved.
As long as both sides can talk honestly, I am sure that there is a way to solve it.

I believe you are pertaining to a live bet that when the odds goes low because it is in favor of your bet then the bet will not proceed. I guess there is an option in settings where you could accept all the odds regardless if it goes high or low

So you don't trust that their system is giving you the fair chance and those errors that it gives you are on purpose?, did you try asking this in their official ANN thread?, their thread is quite active and certainly you will get some answer from their moderators or other users that could've experienced the same issue as yours, also if they gave you an explanation about this and by any chance you are still doubtful about their system and fairness my suggestion would be to just use another casino since you're not going to have a good time gambling when you are personally still don't trust the process.

Talking to support was the first thing Jordynelson did. This topic was created since they cannot come up with a resolution privately. I can't agree with you if you think he should still keep it private after that. I'm with you that more details should have been provided. The problem with this topic is that it still lacks proof that the bet would be cancelled if his team scored. It could be that his bet was already accepted right before the other team scored or right before Betcoin's system changed the odds.

He is not pertaining on changes in odds. He is pertaining to a crucial bet that didn't get accepted whenever the result is in favor of his bet split seconds after he place bet. So typically no odds changes that time if he is telling the truth. This kind of story looks like a bitter post from a user that badly lose in the game. If he can create a video of his live betting gaming that showing what he is talking about here, I might believe him because this kind of issue a flaws in casino coding on accepting bets on live betting.

In simple version of his case, he is accusing the casino that his bet is not accepted split seconds before the score updates whenever the result will be in favor of him while it accept whenever his bet lose. We are talking about live betting so the score is typically varies fast especially on tennis or basketball. I usually do live betting and there's always a seconds delay on placing bets. So this story might be possible on a shady casino. But I'm not telling that his accusation was right.

I do not think it is fraud. If a site allows a users to place the bets, the site must take responsibility ( at least in this case). It is not that there are wrong quotes on the site and that the user is deliberately trying to take advantage of it, then it would be a different story. Depends what the definition is on fraud here.

I have a simple advice for you. Various gambling sites may have their own rules and algorithms that you may not like. Sometimes you may not understand how it works. In such cases it is better to refuse to visit such sites and it is better not to bet there. Now there is a huge selection of gambling sites on the Internet, find the one you like.

it depends where you are betting since there is a different lag between your bets will be placed on market.
as example on betfair you have a lag of 7 seconds. if a goal is scored your bet is stopped. otherwise is going to be placed.
they don't make difference (at least in exchange market) is the bet is going to be a win or a lose.

In any case, the developers answer to dissatisfied customers and this is already an indicator of the quality of their work.  Especially when it comes to such a special forum as BTT.  And such bets, of course, must be precisely regulated by the rules so as not to cause unnecessary controversial situations. 
And here is the absolutely correct advice, of course, you need to be familiar with the rules before placing bets.  Indeed, many gambling sites offer such services to players.

Our life is short. So there's no need to waste time on things we don't like. If you think that the site bets are not made correctly or you just don't understand how it works, it's easier to leave than to find out for a long time whether they work correctly or not.

If you think that their live betting is a little bit unfair then it will be good if you will stop using it or you can just transfer to another  platform that will give you a better service rather than staying to betcoinag platform as your concern will just continue because there is a big chances that it is part of their live betting tactics.

I didn't know yet if what are their rules in live betting or what are their terms so I cannot comment much about it, so the best option for you as of right now is to stop using that platform and transfer to another that will accept your bet even if the team that you have chosen to bet has scored.

I believe that OP already knows what's in his favor, that's common sense btw. Why would someone put their money on the table and expect someone to take it and run away? Stupid, no?

@Betcoin, I had only been wary off you guys till now, but your way of replying shocked me completely. I mean, how can you even consider Stake here? Why are you dragging the conversation's main focus about the user's issue with trying to place a bet, to him using the name of Stake here? I know they're your competitors as they're from the same industry, but then, your work should speak rather than your words.

Every sportsbook has their own policy and that policy is always in their own advantage.

I'm sorry to hear your story if you feel they are bein unfair to you, but that's how it is, me, I just accept it as I have already noticed that most of the time and it's not actually big if it's just a point or something, unless it's on games where 1 point really matters a lot like soccer football.

People do some crazy things in life and others think about experimenting things on new platforms they see that's why there are others who like to visit in some new site since there are few people believe on beginners luck beliefs. But if the budget is limited and cannot afford to lose more faster maybe you are right to leave on the things we don't know since by their we can avoid such unnecessary losses which the new site offers which confuse us.

I don't like live bets, so frankly, it's hard for me to understand what's the problem here. I read the original post, the explanation of Betcoin and many posts in this discussion, but if ralle14 did not understand it right (and it seems that he's not the only one who interpreted it this way), neither did I. I support the idea with the video, it would really help to see what goes supposedly wrong and to compare it with other websites. I could then try to do my own little experiment on Sportsbet.io and tell you whether it had the same process or not.

I'm wondering why you are waiting until the match is under-way to place a wager?  With the exception of a late scratching, or a player being injured (or rain or something along those lines) I would have thought your mind would be made up before the game starts.

The only exception to this would be if one side are blitzing their opponents and it looks like they will win.

thats how gambling works . gambling always have an advantage over you . its risky to keep going but you still have a chance to win because its still not guaranteed that the opposing team can win right after they score a little points but your chosen teams can still catch up . if 99 percent is a chance that they wont accept your bet , that means you still have a 1 percent chance that they will accept and you shouldlnt have to complain at all if your fine with when opposing teams scores but they will accept your bet .

Live betting can be interesting sometimes! If I understood it correctly, the problem here is a bet processing! Basically in live betting odds are changing all the time, so you can't place bet in some moments (betting can be locked for several reasons I guess, but the main one is result change or something that can affect it, like penalty in soccer).
Example in soccer should be team 1 vs team 2 and it's 0:0 in 75 min. of the game! Let's say that team 1 is better and odds are 1.3 for their win, 1.7 draw and 2.5 on team 2 to win! So you wish to place bet team 1 to win and in that moments team 1 scores your bet will not be accepted, but if team 2 scores (which means you will lose your bet most likely) your bet will be processed.

I don't  know if that's  a delay  or completely  manipulated,   the house should reject  the bet or cancel  instead of the system to wait. It's the risk  of playing  inside live betting  as chances  of  experiencing the same  fate may take place,  its very  annoying  when you are waiting  for your bet to  take place  but due to continuous changes  from odd the system  are not accepting  your bet.

The bad thing  is when  the opposing  team or player  already  scored  and the pick finally  accepted and deducted  to your balance,  you need to observe  the game in a much earlier  time  just incase changes  happened  you can adjust  then place your bet.

Live betting has its perks when compared to prematch betting. You probably are unaware of the pros related to live betting. It provides additional insurance against risks since sports matches are not always predictable.

The con with live betting is what op went through and this is a common issue with books like Stake etc. Luck matters a lot here. Many punters make a living through live bets on exchanges, books etc.

Maybe I am getting older. This is why I am becoming more and more conservative. If I like sites where I already play, I will never go looking for new sites for gambling. Even if they will offer very large bonuses. Why waste time getting used to the interface, to check user feedback about a gambling site, if you were satisfied with everything on previous sites?

I always thought I was the only one who had that aging problem. But luckily I found another fellow sufferer, hehe. Getting older also has its advantage.

stake.com does this all the time to me.

When something good for my pick happens bet gets cancelled while processing. If something bad is happening the bets gets accepted although the line went up and I got the worse odds.

Very shady and happening over and over again. Happens at basketball and tennis for me.

More and more I read annoying and bad stories about bookmakers on this site. Even about sites that have been around for years. it would be nice if we could get a little more confidence in bookies, but that they are doing this trick that's a bad sign. Maybe they can come up with an explanation. What Stake.com did, looks like fraud?

There are so many of us.  ;)  It's enough to reach the comfort zone to relax and start enjoying yourself, as well as to get frozen in your habits. Nevertheless, I try to follow the news in areas that interest me. But I've learned for myself a long time ago that if you don't understand something and you can't understand it, it's better to leave this site with bets and place your bets elsewhere.