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I am not generally wont to complain about moderation; to the contrary, I think that there should be more of it.  However, there is a real and perhaps unprecedented problem whereas the following posts, fully reposted below, were deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator (not by infofront) from the Wall Observer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.0):

All timestamps are UTC.  Listed in reverse chronological order of when each post was made.

• [WO] Blockseer, U.S. OFAC, and attacks on Bitcoin fungibility (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289261.msg55591204#msg55591204) (A post about Bitcoin transaction censorship by a new mining pool.) • Post timestamp: 2020-11-14 00:49:51 • Deleted at: 2020-11-14 07:06:49
• [WO] Communism and Covid (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289261.msg55591208#msg55591208) (Re Communist thought-control.) • Post timestamp: 2020-11-13 23:59:15 • Deleted at: 2020-11-14 07:06:51
• [WO] E pur si muove (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289261.msg55591209#msg55591209) (A post about Twitter’s suppression of free discussion.) • Post timestamp: 2020-11-13 18:05:22 • Deleted at: 2020-11-14 07:06:43

Note:  Due to the ugliness of this forum’s quoting, especially for extended texts, I have broken my posts out of quotes.  The moderation PM message, and a correct <quote> tag suitable for each original post, are above the unaltered post text from the moderation PM.

As I myself recently discovered (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286522.msg55529531#msg55529531), there are officially “Special Wall Observer rules” in bright red letters that would have been seen by whatever anonymous coward reported my posts:


Thus, the “on-topicness” of my posts cannot even allegeably be an issue.  At this juncture, I observe that:

• None of my posts violated those of the forum rules that apply everywhere, including WO.  (At a vast stretch, trying to puzzle out what rule I allegedly violated, I have a suspicion about what an idiot hell-bent on rules-lawyering may say about one of them; but that would be ridiculous, and anyway, it could not apply to the other two that were deleted at the same time.)
• All three of these posts contained serious discussion.  Whether one agrees with me or not, only a fool would accuse me of shitposting.  Anyway, shitposting in WO is not to be handled by the forum moderators (if at all).
• Ironically, one of my deleted posts replied to a satire about the suppression of free discussion by Twitter.  Did I perhaps peeve a moderator who wishes to turn this place in Twitter?  ::)
• Ironically, one of my deleted posts replied briefly to a list of Communist thought-control techniques (with comparison to government handling of exploitation of Covid).
• One of my deleted posts was about a serious Bitcoin issue, i.e. a new mining pool that does transaction censorship and blacklisting.  I believe that this is an existential threat to Bitcoin (as I intended to explain in part 2/2 of my “coredump”).  If serious Bitcoin issues cannot be discussed in the Wall Observer, then—I am at a loss for words to complete this sentence.

This is a privately owned forum.  If theymos didn’t want me here, he could kick me out with the push of a button.  I will not go off into some liberal whine in the manner of “Help!  Help!  I’m being repressed! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAA-G947ofg)”

This is a forum with a high reputation for free discussion.  It thus invites the value of “user-generated content”—which I myself usually would never give to any site that I do not own, as a matter of principle (n.b. an argument that would fall flat if propounded by those whose scribblings are not valued by others).  And as such, this forum has attracted a community of the type that cannot be found in the sheep-grazing wastelands of Twitter and Facebook.  I don’t think I am going out on a limb in positing that some people here will want to know about these deleted posts!

For my part, I am usually supportive of the moderators; they have a hard job, and I have no wish to make it harder.  However, if I were to say nothing about this publicly, then I would hereafter need perpetually to second-guess myself on whether I have permission to discuss Big Tech censorship (!) and Bitcoin transaction censorship (!!) on this forum.  Inter alia.
I would feel thus a chill wind blow over my ability to engage in serious discussion here, if I did not place the individual who deleted my posts on notice that I will call out exceptionally stupid moderation decisions.

Subject: [WO] Blockseer, U.S. OFAC, and attacks on Bitcoin fungibility

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« Sent to: nullius on: Today at 07:06:49 AM »

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Nullian coredump, Part 1/2.  h/t johhnyUA (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006631.msg55578570#msg55578570) for a link to an article dated 12 November 2020 (https://bits.media/blockseer-testiruet-mayningovyy-pul-s-filtratsiey-tranzaktsiy-bitkoina/).

Red alert:  Imminent plans for a mining pool with transaction blacklisting, based on blockchain analysis and, of course, the Diktat of the American world-police OFAC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFAC).

Does anyone have more info on this?

Via the Russian bits.media article, I find that fluffypony thus speaks:

https://twitter.com/fluffypony/status/1326594121797087238
https://i.imgur.com/3UewIBJ.png

fluffypony’s source link (a press release, not a news article—the bits.media article quoted/translated a different part of this):


That has so many levels of wrongness, I will not even bother with my highlighter.


I couldn’t have said it better myself.

Subject: [WO] Communism and Covid

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« Sent to: nullius on: Today at 07:06:51 AM »

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With quote slightly re-arranged for clarity of reply:

At a glance, it is much more true than that.  The Communists developed specific methods of brainwashing which, of course, have in varying degrees now been spread far and wide.

Awhile back, I actually intended to write something approaching Communism and Covid from another direction, which converges with what you just posted; so...


I think that that word is way overused and abused.  Well, I am an authoritarian (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219640.0).


How many pages do you want me to add to the Wall Observer?  :-/


“Be your own authority.” — nullius

Subject:  [WO] E pur si muove

For those who do not understand the subject, and its relation to Galileo (discussed below):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pur_si_muove! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pur_si_muove!)

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https://i.imgur.com/dgpCMrZ.png
   https://i.imgur.com/lW2P0eM.png  Twitter is for bird-brains.

Dumb twits.  Good satire; however, I do need to make some corrections and additions.

Quote from: Phil_S on November 13, 2020, 10:19:39 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmozeodWEAECUit?format=png&name=small

   https://i.imgur.com/rexm2HQ.png  America is not the world-police!

Evil Empires:  “Commie, and very Commie.”

Just had to say it.  I don’t see an argument here; I think that Ron Paul would agree with me at least on the “no world police” part, and on the importance of national sovereignty.  Pseudo-Paul’s tweet is, of course, deadly correct.

Quote from: Phil_S on November 13, 2020, 10:19:39 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emo2iA0WEAAjCcd?format=jpg&name=small

   https://i.imgur.com/bqvBiRJ.png  Galileo was not popular.

He stood against not only the Church, but also society itself.  Accordingly, he was about as popular as I am:  A few intelligent people appreciated him, such as the Medici duke who was his primary supporter at the end of his life; he even had supporters high within the Church.  But he was otherwise considered scandalous, and even criminal.

The ignorant modern mind tends to assume that rebelling against the Church was always super-cool.  Whereas in 1632, heresy was like racism, sexism, or social class discrimination are today.  (n.b.)

Galileo’s wife was so embarrassed and angry at his sins, she burnt his papers after he died.  Unknown works of irreplaceable genius were thus irretrievably destroyed.  Because:  Unpopular.  The notion that he would have received 2.3K retweets and 18.6K “likes” is wildly implausible.

   https://i.imgur.com/lW2P0eM.png  Galileo is cancelled.

If Galileo actually said, “But it moves!”, such was the classic protest of a man who attempts to move the world.

Also, per the above, Galileo’s sentencing by the Inquisition occurred in a course of events in 1632–33.  He was persecuted in 1615–16 (when Copernicus’ De Revolutionibus was added to the Index Librorum Prohibitorum), so that is not incorrect; but 1633 was when he was actually forced to recant, and condemned to house arrest for the rest of his life.  —If the date of 15 May 1615 has a special significance, I don’t know it off the top of my head; accordingly, I would congratulate the satirist for having exceeded me on that particular point.

Quote from: Phil_S on November 13, 2020, 10:19:39 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emo1dnQXcAUmmNL?format=jpg&name=small

   https://i.imgur.com/atMxdMT.png  Paul Revere did not actually say this.  And in April of 1775, the American colonists still identified themselves as British.  Such use of the term “the British” is a widely revered anachronism.

If Americans were to warn each other of an impending BATF raid today, they would not shout, “The Americans are coming!”

Most of the colonists of early 1775 were proud Englishmen, standing up for the rights accorded to every free British subject by law and custom.  Their attitude was not unlike that of the American Patriots who today seek to “restore the Constitution”—who “love their country, but fear their government”.

Although succession from Britain was definitely on the table in early 1775 (cf. Patrick Henry, et al.), it took some time for the increasingly radical British protesters fully to form a separate identity as Americans—socially, culturally, and politically as declared on 2 July 1776 (celebrated 4 July, because Americans are not very good with dates and times).  Of course, the Battles of Lexington and Concord marked a major milestone in that process of radicalization; but it must be viewed in its historical context, as indeed the major turning point between the conciliatory attitude of the First Continental Congress, and the rebellious attitude of the Second.

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Not sure why this one was deleted.
Seems like it has relatability to BTC and BTC price.


Hey mods why did you delete this one?

Very likely reported by an 'enemy'. Mine often got deleted moments after tussling with a high-up scammer. Just maybe by a noob who doesn't know or care for the rules, or a regular who doesn't like your stuff. Snitches lol.
Lazy/high handed deletion by mod. Plox restore and mind your own business.

Idiots are free to report all they want.  That is why moderators have a neat little widget that marks reports as “bad”.

(Or they can just leave borderline reports unhandled; but none of these three posts is anywhere even close to violating forum rules for the Wall Observer.)


n00bs and angry retards, I can understand.  Moderators are supposed to be better than that.

I am surprised that you sometimes get posts deleted.  I never have in WO—only a few in Reputation, and in the Russian Reputation thread.

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That actually doesn’t matter.  As screenshotted in OP here, with red letters and boldface in the original, with my highlighting added:


The topic is infofront’s call.  infofront did not delete my posts.  As can be seen from the self-moderation banner at the top of every WO page, infofront rarely deletes anything at all; I think that most WO people like it that way.  It is a part of the WO appeal as a sort of forum-within-a-forum.

I (YMMV) would try not to make a big deal of it. While we do, indeed, have "special rules" in the WO that gives us some flexibility... the context in which that exception was granted is also important.

By context I mean the time in which we risked losing the WO because of the conflict between its ermmm "ample scope way beyond the OP" and "standard" moderation rules.

Thus, in a genious move, Theymos not only allowed us to propose/elect a new active "OP" but also decided to create that rule as some sort of "patch" that would let the WO-as-we-knew-it to continue its existence under the condition that it would not "become problematic again".

Such "patch" (along with disabling personal signatures to avoid account farmers spamming the thread) did wonders and have allowed to keep enjoying our "little space" for several years already without much problems.

So... consider it what it is (a "patch") and do not expect 100% reliability nor a totally unlimited "license-to-post" offtopic. As you well said, this is a "private forum" in the end.

That being said... Well... Yeah, seems that maybe you crossed your path with an overzelous moderator. Still I would not make a big deal if one (or several) of my off-topic/shitposts were to be deleted unless the occurrence of it suggested some sort of focused discrimination/censorship.

Infofront could go and start removing ALL offtopic posts if he wanted to, as that would be in compliance even with the "special rules". Forum moderators should not... or at least it is not their job anymore (see "special rules") but... well... Shit happens.

Now back to the "important things": $16K again. This is fine.

Maybe nullius should stop fucking around with the post titles... seems like a dumb thing to do when you're posting in the one thread that allows bending a few rules. A mod may have made a mistake here but I wouldn't rush to blame them if the post title signals "I'm derailing this thread".

Also there is literally a board named "Serious Discussion". That's where serious discussion can go without being subject to the uncertainty of a special excempt self-mod thread.

The line between WO and Serious Discussion has been quite thin for weeks (and probably from the very beginning, but I've not been active long enough to be able to know with certainty). I think nullius' posts are a category of their own and maybe Serious Discussion > Ivory Tower > Nullius' Dungeon might be a solution to avoid having his posts deleted from the WO in the future. 8)

Now seriously, I thought it was virtually impossible to have a post deleted from the WO (except for the obvious trolling or spamming). There's probably thousands of other "serious" posts in the WO, so to avoid any discussion or confusion for nullius or any other member in the future, it might be useful to know what the exact reason for deletion was.

I didn't remove them but there's a few reports against you there for off topic posts.

Thanks for the reply.  Aren’t “off-topic” reports for WO supposed to be marked as bad by the forum moderators?


I ask because I do try in good faith to abide by the forum rules.  (And if I were to object to a rule in principle, then I would take it up in Meta in an appropriate manner, instead of just violating it—either that, or go get my own forum.  This being a private forum, as I remarked in OP hereby.)

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Although I had occasionally lurked there before, and some others there are quite serious, it was JayJuanGee’s serious discussion that first attracted me actively to post in WO.  He is a legend of the forum’s great Wall—to the extent that some people apparently think that he should be walled up there as JJG’s Dungeon. ;-)

Blame the wordy-man (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55575173#msg55575173) for attracting another wordy-man (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55579501#msg55579501)!   :D :D :D :D :D


Thanks.  Quotable. ;-)

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Although your points in the rest of your post are well taken, I should highlight again the context of what was deleted here:  Three serious posts.  One specifically about a Bitcoin issue.  One about thought control.  And one about censorship on Big Tech social media (and by the way, please also consider the time it took me to craft that post—which I do not want to say).

If I were to knock off-the-cuff some funny remark about someone else’s post of a woman in a bikini, and a moderator were to delete it, then I would disagree with that—but do you suppose that I would even take the time to make a Meta thread such as this one?  (Again, I do not want to say...)


Although I do not want to speculate on that hereby, it is an unavoidable reality that I am widely disliked.


Indeed.  If he were to do that, then I would fire off some scathing remarks about how he ruined WO, and then I would fuck off.  But that is not hereby the issue.

infofront has, in my opinion, kept the Wall Observer what it is.  A huge amount of stuff is thereby posted which I dislike; infofront does not delete it, and he should not.  I will even admit that I like his WO policy better than what Lauda’s probably would have been, had she won his position when she was a candidate; Lauda was an excellent staff member, but I think that she would have been too heavy-handed for the Wall Observer.

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Arguing against my expectation that I can safely post serious discussion outside of the forum named Serious Discussion—are you serious!?  ::)

I don’t know why anybody takes you so seriously.  You are not an administrator, you are not staff, you are not even very smart—well, are are exceptionally skilled at winning popularity contests.  You may guess how much weight I accord to popular opinion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219640.0).  Anyway, I do not accept Bitcointalk SV (Suchmoon’s Vision) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55592617#msg55592617).  I am “excempt” from your “rules”.


To your idiotic calumny, which you state hereby in the third person only because you are too much of a thin-skinned coward to address me straight to my face, I will simply quote myself:


Edit:  For those who have not experienced the Wall Observer, have a taste:

Do mods see a warning when they try to moderate WO, or do they need to remember that thread ID 178336 has special rules?

hahahahaha


Truly hilariousandco should appreciate your level of "hilariousness", nullius... in terms of a lack of an ability to take responsibility for your own evil-genius aspirations to topple a wordy man from his petard.   ;)

Well I don't recall ever seeing any before, but in the handled reports section I see they're marked as [WO] which I don't recall seeing before either and that thread isn't showing up in my Show new replies to your posts either even though I'm pretty sure I must have posted it it at some point before. Maybe that thread is ignored to me or something.

A quick search in the archived posts show that you have no posts in the WO thread; checked both accounts just in case

Love to know by whom. The WO is supposed to be a place where pretty much anything goes. It’s bad form to be reporting stuff in the WO; I hope it isn’t a regular poster there.

Looking at the posts quoted earlier in the thread it looks like [WO] is part of the the post title that nullius created. Is that what you're seeing?

What I was getting at is if moderators don't get a warning AND the posts are re-titled (don't have "Wall Observer" in the title anymore) then it might contribute to the issue of them not realizing that special rules apply... OTOH if it was reported as "off-topic" then the moderator should have looked which thread it's in.

While that may be the case the one of his  I highlighted is on topic and had really good info in it.

Would love the deleter to explain his or hers reasoning for killing it off.

To be clear I am not a fan of nullius, but a good post is still a good post.

I guess I won't know the why of it.

Reports to the moderators are supposed to be confidential.  Much though I myself want to know which ovine retard filled with petty spite decided to try to shut me up with false reports (and I can’t help but think to myself a few guesses), I think that I should better leave that knowledge to the forum staff.  They should take notice of who makes reports in bad faith, and be guided accordingly.

(Edited to add—by way of contrary example:  As hilarious can easily verify, I myself am judicious with my reporting.  In public discussions, I exercise my right to express myself as I please.  Whereas I take mod reports very seriously.  I would never report a post in bad faith—let alone ignore a red-lettered note on the reports page, which warns that a report should not be made!  Reports should be made dispassionately—and never only, or even primarily on the basis of personal dislike for the author of a post.  If I dislike the author of a post that I am reporting, I oft consciously double-check and ask myself what I would do if I didn’t know who wrote it.)

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I refrained from commenting on this, because I pretty much assumed that an ordinary intelligent moderator handling an “off-topic” report must perforce ascertain what the topic is supposed to be.  Thank you for contributing your explanation.


This may have been a hint—right here, upthread in a thread on which you are commenting:


I assume that you saw that.  Although you claim (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.msg55400905#msg55400905) to have me on ignore (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55594141#msg55594141), it would show exceedingly poor judgment to comment on a thread without reading OP, and OP’s responses.

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^^^ Good question.


I will express my due respect for your fairness here, without disclaiming that I am not your fan, either. ;-)

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Indeed.  If his name checks out, then he should be one of my biggest fans (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277804.msg55594776#msg55594776)!  :D :D :D

That said, this is a serious thread.  Much though I enjoy interposing a moment of levity, I share your hope for serious answers here.

Report button in WO should be remapped to OP (infofront currently) or removed entirely and that would take care of this issue.

https://i.imgur.com/kdE8vR5.jpg?fb

Looks like I was one of those reporting it since hilariousandco said you had a few reports against you. Maybe more people are annoyed but too afraid to speak up because they will get hit by another spam wall.   

I’ve never reported anything on WO before because there was nothing close of being up for reports but when reading WO with great TA, great stats and a positive attitude to reach new ATHs for BTC, in opposite your spam walls (whereof 2/3 aren’t even mentioning Bitcoin in a single word; I could argue about the fluffypony post) are surely annoying in my opinion. I’ve considered it as obvious off-topic spam and undoubtedly, a moderator shared my view and deleted it.
I wasn’t sure if it’ll get deleted, so Kudos to the mod, I’m supporting this move 100%.

We have a similar local topic (German) called “Der aktuelle Kursverlauf (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=26136.0)” (German WO). Moderation is relatively strict there and I’m always advocating for less moderation there. Even posts which are about Bitcoin but not directly tied to price discussion are frequently deleted there (happened to me once).
So, it means a lot that I’ve reported some of your posts (I’m rarely reporting on “Der aktuelle Kursverlauf”).
And as said before, I’ve never reported anything on WO before.

After all I can’t understand why you are getting so extremely butthurt because someone deleted your spamwalls. ^^


WO is a place where I’m awaiting positivity about Bitcoin, not obvious off-topic spam walls.

Just my 2 sats.   :D

Per sway? I hope it's not too toxic for ya. ::)

Decent points, 1miau.  Seems reasonable that there should at least be attempts to tie walls of text into bitcoin... and not just by mentioning bitcoin here and there, but substantively.

I have been around the WO thread as much as many other forum members, and surely I have witnessed that there are a lot of off-topic rants that are allowed to stay and even endure for days and weeks on end without much if any attempt to remove them - so I am not really sure exactly how disparities would be resolved regarding why some off-topic rants are allowed to stay, while others, such as nullius-type rants that do NOT even attempt to tie in bitcoin, are not allowed to stand - just like with any moderator decision, there may be something about the pervasiveness of the off-topicness rather than merely that off-topicness happens that cause the moderator to conclude that the off-topicness has crossed over some kind of line that is not exactly clear, since we all know that sporadic and even persistent off-topicness is considerably tolerated in WO...

Can I just point out that I've never had a post deleted on WO.
For anyone that has read them ... well, I'm sure JJG can attest that this means a lot. ;D

Doge sats, obviously.  You are not a very good cat; and your ignorance about Bitcoin is astonishing:

• Newbie protip #0:  fluffypony is (or at some point was?) a self-described Bitcoin maximalist.  He oftentimes comments on Bitcoin, especially on Bitcoin privacy and fungibility issues.  The fluffy tweet that I posted was specifically and only about Bitcoin—which you would know, if you had actually read it.  —By the way, do you know what p2pool and Stratum v2 are?  Do you know anything about Bitcoin?  ::)
• Reading comprehension protip #0:  You should read a post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289261.msg55591204#msg55591204) before commenting on it!  That was not “a fluffypony post” (!).  It cited Riccardo Spagni as a source, because he had been cited by the Russian-language article (https://bits.media/blockseer-testiruet-mayningovyy-pul-s-filtratsiey-tranzaktsiy-bitkoina/) which gave me a heads-up on an existential threat to Bitcoin, its privacy, and its fungibility.  (And that in turn came from the Russian analysis thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006631.msg55578570#msg55578570), which has much more serious discussion than WO or almost anywhere else in the English-language forum.)
• Reading comprehension protip question #1:  Who taught you to read, so that you could write with neither reading nor thinking?
  
  Quote from: Nietzsche, Also sprach Zarathustra
  Dass Jedermann lesen lernen darf, verdirbt auf die Dauer nicht allein das Schreiben, sondern auch das Denken.
• Newbie protip #1:  Read the rules.  WTF is it with n00bs who do not read the rules?
  
  
  Quote from: nullius on November 14, 2020, 05:31:18 PM
  Quote from: nullius on November 14, 2020, 01:55:10 PM

  Quote from: The “Report to moderator” page for any Wall Observer post

  Special Wall Observer rules: bitcointalk.org moderators do not moderate the Wall Observer thread for multi-posting (except obvious spam), trolling, or on-topicness. Do not use this form to report those violations; instead, contact the thread owner. Reports of other rule violations are OK here.
• Newbie protip #2:  Lurk more.  (← nullius doesn’t do moar cuter spellings.)  You don’t know what the WO thread is about.

Original topic title: Should Bitcoin Wall Observer thread be deleted? (original OP (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5512/55126205.html))
Cf.:

So, instead of building what you want, you want to turn the existing thread into something that it is not, and never has been.  Instead of advocating that others should file bad-faith reports against the rule stated on the reporting page, why don’t you go make a tempest in a teacup (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55130346#msg55130346).


Your opinions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226757.msg53978163#post_wolf_conservation) are duly noted, and filed in “taken under advisement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//dev/null)”. 🗑️

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I was amidst much extending this post, when others popped up.  inb4 CT re SwayStar, etc.  I may edit this space (or post further if the thread gets ahead of me).

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Quote from: V8s Road Warrior on November 15, 2020, 02:25:09 PM

https://i.imgur.com/L8G2J8x.jpg

In defence of the honour of cats, I should mention that <long Lauda story that I was writing as the thread got ahead of me>.  Despite what I said earlier (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289261.msg55593080#msg55593080), I think that Lauda would have made an excellent Wall moderator.  I expect that she probably would have deleted somewhat more posts than infofront has; but not unreasonably so, for she understood the Wall!  I was paying infofront what was perhaps the highest compliment that I could.

Editing in a brief abstract:

The “long Lauda story” was directly topical to WO, insofar as my Wall knowledge did not begin when I started actively to post there in March.  Once upon a time, the kitty-catbat-witch first introduced me to WO as part of some private mentoring on “how to do the forum”:  Trust system, moderation system, significant forum history, forum culture and etiquette, etc., etc.  I may never have even seen WO otherwise:  I am not a speculator, so I do not generally venture into the speculation forums.

I must emphasize that my opinions are my own.  As I have said before (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5282911.msg55412200#msg55412200), Lauda oftentimes cordially disagreed with me; I am hereby speaking not for her, but only for myself!  However, it bears noting that when I make grand pronouncements as if by long experience, it has some greater basis than may be inferred from my activity.  It is indeed on the same basis that I have been not infrequently accused of being an alt for an old account—no; my level of knowledge about the forum rises from (0) having on-and-off lurked, especially in Development & Technical Discussion, for years before I registered; and (1) a bit of subsequent initiation into the dark arts of witchcraft. 😼

On a related note:

Quote from: nullius on November 14, 2020, 11:44:44 PM

... judicious ... seriously ... dispassionately ...

It is a hint that there is a side of me which may not be perceived from a shallow view of my public posts.  I should not need to make that explicit; for anyone with even a modicum of practical wisdom knows that a public persona gives limited information, anyway.

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Significant edits:  Immediately after posting re V8s, about an hour after the fact with elaboration thereupon, and then much later to add some anchor tags.

Merit for coming forward but please don't report WO posts for off topic... Something grave like doxing or plagiarism should be reported but other than that - leave it to infofront to decide and use "Ignore" judiciously.

Yeah don't do that.

We can pretty much moderate ourselves.

To those for whom nullius posts actually pose a problem, there's the Ignore button -- it works quite well, I should know. I like the off-topic-ness of that thread and appreciate the opportunity to banter with some of the regulars about any subject that is slightly or more interesting.

Am not sure if I ever had a post removed from WO by a mod, ever.

So sad to hear.  :'(

Hey, I haven't ignored Bitcoin.  :D
And I've never questioned fluffypony's quotes from your post.

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100% agreed.  ;)

Obey.  8)

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I totally appreciate your insightful technical posts and your posts about privacy (if you have a look at my post history you'll also find quite a few topics advocating for privacy). Also a reason why I'm not using an ignore button here. In general I'm not using it at all and had no trouble so far.
After all it's an discussion forum (with some rules).  :P

And my intention was not to harm the WO (never would be).
I'm also not complaining about any food (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55598573#msg55598573) since it has become quite amusing and a visualisation of high BTC prices.

https://i.imgflip.com/4mitaa.jpg


Yeah... please... don't.

Great, glad you like the food section of the WO.
But when you report a post that you dislike (and gets deleted too), you're actually hurting WO. Is it too hard to understand?
WO is not about what you like or dislike. We sort ourselves out, without any need of moderation, a little corner of free expression.

Maybe you should try it, instead of shooting like a swaying star.
In fact I urge you, to take it up with nullius on the WO. Or with anyone else for that matter. I have my pop corn ready. ;D

One should always respect the WO as its the largest thread, very old thread.... and full of bitcoin-historic-heroic moments....

Please do not report anything there... we got infofront taking care of business and tons of regs... who spot things that should be nuked ....

Mixed results there for the hatless cats.

Thank you once again, theymos, for re-orging the Wall Observer; it's a joy to me, and clearly a few others.

Yeah, I don't mind sharing what the report was for as people have a right to know it requested and it can help prevent further mistakes either by that user or staff, but who reported it should be left up to the individual if they want to make themselves known.


It shouldn't be removed as people can post malicious stuff in there that would need to be removed quickly. There's been multiple waves of spambots recently and many or posting malicious links so they need to be acted upon ASAP.

We know how to use a PM system.

That means you'll PM every person with the ability to handle the situation? Or only some of them and hope they are online? Report feature is way faster and more useful for these situations

Thanks for the reply.  Should that be taken as confirmation that this was a mistake by staff, and such reports should be marked as “bad”?

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I assumed that you were making a rhetorical point, Hueristic, which is why I did not reply.  Unfortunately, this being the Internet, theymos for needs his staff to do 24/7 immediate handling of stuff that needs to be nuked from orbit.

As alluded in OP hereby, to date, I myself have thus far reported exactly one post in WO:

https://i.imgur.com/TpfhM15.png

It was pure, unadulterated spam from a pure spammer account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2875279) that staff summarily “nuked”, thus deleting all of its posts and banning it in one shot:

Quote from: https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

• Nuke user: N/A in topic #0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=0.0) by member #2875279 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2875279)

That is from a saved copy of the modlog.  It has probably scrolled off by now.

Quote from: https://bpip.org/Profile?p=mikiejohnson727

Meta Log

DateTime	Action	Detail
11/6/2020 6:26:20 AM	Changed to Archived status	Nuke user

https://i.imgur.com/f6FL1ka.jpg

I try to do Kitty proud. 😼

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Quote from: suchmoon on November 15, 2020, 07:06:35 PM

Quote from: 1miau on November 15, 2020, 01:49:47 PM

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Merit for coming forward

You are adept at raining down source merits for criticisms that suit your petty personal grudges.  It is far from the first or only time (and I will admit, to my shame, that I have been the beneficiary of that in the past).  Do you need an “unapplication” filled out for you?  ::)

Quote from: suchmoon on November 15, 2020, 07:06:35 PM

but please don't report WO posts for off topic... Something grave like doxing or plagiarism should be reported but other than that - leave it to infofront to decide and use "Ignore" judiciously.

I actually do not use the forum’s ignore function.  I tried it, when I was a new user.  Didn’t like it.

I do not even ignore you and cryptohunter, whom I consider to be two sides (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5541/55416897.html) of the same coin (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5541/55417383.html).

On the other hand, my mental ignore function automagically files the majority of the forum in “taken under advisement (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//dev/null)”. 🗑️

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Quote from: nutildah on November 16, 2020, 12:13:05 AM

To those for whom nullius posts actually pose a problem, there's the Ignore button -- it works quite well, I should know.

True, I have decreed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55594141#msg55594141) that nutildah and some others are banned from reading my posts.

nutildah obeys (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277804.msg55594776#msg55594776).

https://i.imgur.com/PmkYM7D.png

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Quote from: 1miau on November 16, 2020, 01:23:47 AM

Quote from: nullius on November 15, 2020, 05:36:58 PM

Quote from: 1miau on November 15, 2020, 01:49:47 PM

Just my 2 sats.   :D

You are not a very good cat;

So sad to hear.  :'(

Awww.  I have a soft spot for cats. 😿

This nonexistent cat (https://thiscatdoesnotexist.com/) wonders
if you would report as off-topic the posts that
I myself (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55544274#msg55544274) (repeatedly (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55543825#post_life)), Toxic2040 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55544136#msg55544136), and JayJuanGee (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55548194#msg55548194) made
to discuss Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5282911.msg55458410#msg55458410) and/or kitty AI image generation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226757.msg55467511#post_tech_nullius) of “cat-shaped objects”.
https://i.imgur.com/MwHf2NI.jpg

In a yet-unpublished post (ironically in reply to mikeywith in Reputation; I should finish that), I remarked that I sometimes find it helpful to read a post without looking at its author’s name.  That applies both to good posts, and to things that come off as surprisingly... otherwise.  If you come off the way that you did, then—well, then you will get the response that you got.

Quote from: 1miau on November 16, 2020, 01:23:47 AM

I totally appreciate your insightful technical posts and your posts about privacy (if you have a look at my post history you'll also find quite a few topics advocating for privacy). Also a reason why I'm not using an ignore button here. In general I'm not using it at all and had no trouble so far.
After all it's an discussion forum (with some rules).  :P

True.  I am not sure how I missed this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221497.0) back in January.  (I first happened across it last month or so.)  The bilingual multiple versioning (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5254941.0) of your own post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5254927.0[/url) is a remarkable effort.  (And I know something about putting time and effort into posts, including some of those deleted in this instance.)

You are obviously just as much an ignorant n00b as I myself produce

Quote from: 1miau on November 15, 2020, 01:49:47 PM

surely annoying
spam walls.

So, don’t get

Quote from: 1miau on November 15, 2020, 01:49:47 PM

so extremely butthurt

that I called you out in due turn.

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Quote from: 1miau on November 16, 2020, 01:23:47 AM

And I've never questioned fluffypony's quotes from your post.

You called it a

Quote from: 1miau on November 15, 2020, 01:49:47 PM

fluffypony post

—which it was assuredly not (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289261.msg55591204#msg55591204).

Quote from: 1miau on November 16, 2020, 01:23:47 AM

Quote from: nullius on November 15, 2020, 05:36:58 PM

• Newbie protip #1:  Read the rules.  WTF is it with n00bs who do not read the rules?
  
  
  Quote from: nullius on November 14, 2020, 05:31:18 PM
  Quote from: nullius on November 14, 2020, 01:55:10 PM

  Quote from: The “Report to moderator” page for any Wall Observer post

  Special Wall Observer rules: bitcointalk.org moderators do not moderate the Wall Observer thread for multi-posting (except obvious spam), trolling, or on-topicness. Do not use this form to report those violations; instead, contact the thread owner. Reports of other rule violations are OK here.

100% agreed.  ;)

Quote from: Bitcoin Forum

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Obey.  8)

I am way ahead of you, in OP on this thread—even with the same quote that you have helpfully highlighted for me:

Quote from: nullius on November 14, 2020, 01:11:10 PM

For my part, I am usually supportive of the moderators; they have a hard job, and I have no wish to make it harder.  However, if I were to say nothing about this publicly, then I would hereafter need perpetually to second-guess myself on whether I have permission to discuss Big Tech censorship (!) and Bitcoin transaction censorship (!!) on this forum.  Inter alia.

Quote from: Bitcoin Forum

In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

I would feel thus a chill wind blow over my ability to engage in serious discussion here, if I did not place the individual who deleted my posts on notice that I will call out exceptionally stupid moderation decisions.

The following verges on going off-topic for Meta; however, it is still on-topic insofar as forum moderators need to be cautious about the potential for bad reports made in the Wall Observer due to disagreement with controversial opinions.

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Vast piles of utterly nonsensical garbage are posted in WO, and much of that is completely irrelevant to Bitcoin.  According to you, all of that has always been “nothing close of being up for reports”.

I am not a mind reader.  But I don’t think that I am going out on a limb with the following.  It is presumes little to posit that you specifically targeted me, whereas you yourself said outright, “it means a lot that [you’ve] reported some of [my] posts”.  There must be a reason.  My posts must be extra-special!

I don’t shitpost.  Say what you will—you must admit that all of my posts are highly literate, intelligent, and cultured.  You reported my posts, not others’ shitposts.  I think that my posts were too good, in a way that you disliked.

Those who are not deeply familiar with German politics will not understand this; but I think it’s highly probable that this adequately explains your motives for reporting my posts:

By the way, I can see from that thread that KingScorpio is even crazier in the German forum than he is in P&S.

I aver that in modern Germany, AfD would probably come closest to a political party that I may support.  (Watch for explosion in the German forum because I said this. :-/)  But of course, I would not support AfD, because I am actively anti-democratic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5282452.0), according to my personal political manifesto (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219640.0); and if anything, Björn Höcke is still a little bit too much of a centrist for me.  At least, he is not as bad a leftist as Trump!

As set forth below, 2/3 of the posts that you reported were probably quite objectionable to you on political grounds.  And the third, which you mischaracterized as a
, you obviously did not read at all!  It was specifically a Bitcoin privacy post—
—oops...

But first, for greater context, here is a shortlist selection of a few of the recent “politically incorrect” posts that I have made in the Wall Observer—such things as even Björn Höcke would not dare to say!

• [WO] White Suicide: The Scarlet Letter Red Icon of Racism (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55347286#msg55347286)
• (A post that starts with a deeply meaningful insult-comedy, then turns to serious condemnation of the stupid men who invented feminism.) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55285153#msg55285153)
• Re: [WO] Violence to violins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55537466#msg55537466) and the followup thereto, with greater detail (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55543375#msg55543375).
• Re: [WO] The dangerous sex (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55327768#msg55327768)
• (A post which starts with condemnations of degeneracy, and proceeds so far to the right that I literally call Trump a Communist.) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55335531#msg55335531)
  
  Quote from: nullius on October 08, 2020, 02:15:50 AM
  I have been calling Trump a Communist for about the past five years.
  
• A post which started specifically about Germany, before diverging into Russia:
  
  Quote from: nullius on November 10, 2020, 05:29:23 AM
  Some years ago, I spoke to an erstwhile East German who was already quite elderly.
  
  He loathed Communism, despised the DDR government,—but hated the Americans worse, and accordingly hated the BRD American satellite even worse than the DDR Soviet satellite.
  
  His view:  In the DDR, all decent people knew that the system was their enemy.  But Reunification had poisoned people.  The culture became Americanized.  Instead of focusing on internal resistance and external survival, as in the DDR, people lived in a shallow fantasy of consumerism, trash culture, and meaningless games that they believed meant “freedom”.  The Americanized BRD did what the Sovietized DDR never could:  It killed people’s spirits from the inside out.
  
  If that sounds like me, it is only because along the course of my life, I have learned from others; and I hereby recount in my own words what I learned from the real-life experiences of East Germans, Russians, and others whom I have known from the Eastern bloc, as viewed through the integral lens of my studies of philosophy and history.

Hmmm...

Ah, yes, Japan:  A homogeneous society with a nationalist culture, in which gaijin (‘foreigners’) are almost unanimously despised.  Japan is not diverse—not divided—therefore, the Japanese people are united.  I think that you are making my argument for me!

Now, compare this:

Re: Overcoming Systematic Racism with Bitcoin

...to this post which you got cancelled:


You don’t report illiterate “off-topic” gibberish; why did you want to shut me up, specifically?

Another reported/deleted post:

C’mon, One Meow!  Cats are supposed to eat birds!

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Because this is the Internet, and because liberals love guilt by association, and because I have needed to defend the honour of kitty-cats (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289261.msg55600318#post_honour_of_cats):  I should note that Lauda did sometimes agree, sometimes disagree (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5282911.msg55412200#msg55412200) with my opinions.  My impression of her was that she was a more or less mainstream conservative with some interesting twists; freethinkers defy labels, and pigeon-holes are for the tweeting birds.

She did love freedom of speech, which is why I said that she would have been a good WO mod.

Quote from: Lauda on November 15, 2019, 07:31:12 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on November 15, 2019, 06:57:43 AM

It is the modern liberal that is against free speech.

*Weird flex*. Liberalism is a disease.

For my own part, I should note that as as a nationalist in principle, I have always been friendly to people of many races and nationalities who want to use Bitcoin to free themselves from the banks, thus to build their own futures.  Liberal simpletons would not comprehend my nuanced Weltanschauung.  Bitcoin is for each his own, as well as being a new medium for a grassroots-level comity between nations.

Quote from: nullius on January 08, 2020, 05:19:48 PM

People who disagree with each other about everything else, can agree about Bitcoin.  [...]  You may dislike me, you may disagree with me, you may condemn me—you may even decide that you hate me.  But we both agree that Bitcoin has value; and Bitcoin itself is absolutely unbiased between us.  This is what gives Bitcoin its power—and this is how Bitcoin empowers anybody who wants to use it.  If I decide that I hate you, we still agree on Bitcoin—and we can’t tell each other what to do with Bitcoin.

[...]

The Bitcoin technology is easy to duplicate (https://web.archive.org/web/20190425155533/https://forkgen.tech/).  But the Bitcoin social movement cannot be duplicated.  It exists because everybody agrees on Bitcoin.  People all over the world, of every race and nationality, of every religion, of every political opinion, all agree on Bitcoin.  Their agreements or disagreements about anything else are irrelevant to Bitcoin.

That is why there is only one Bitcoin.

Was it really necessary to make a second post in here? It looks like you are still beating a horse that's already been dead for some days, and by doing so, you're burying some other threads that may be important. At least more important than "I got my post deleted in a thread moderators aren't suppose to act", it was deleted, might have been the right or wrong thing to do, but for the love of god; let it go

You mean well, mate, no doubt.

I suppose you already know you shouldn't feed the trolls.

Well, this time you haven't fed the trolls, you've fed nullius. May the gods have mercy on your soul.

(edit: on second thought, I think you really love getting attention  8))

Based on evidence that I discovered after my previous post, I drew a reasonable inference that my posts were reported due to political disagreement with my opinions.  How is staff handling of politically motivated reports not an important issue for Meta?

This is a private forum—a private forum where the freedom of speech is a cause dear to the administration, to the community, and most of all, to regulars of the Wall Observer.  Whether or not one agrees with the opinions that I have expressed, the real issue hereby is everybody’s practical ability to express controversial opinions unimpeded.

As always, it is only comfortable to defend speech when you agree with it.  I stand here on principle.  If I wanted a forum with more like minds, then I would go elsewhere—here, if staff were to delete from WO e.g. nutildah’s utterly execrable pushing of hallucinogenic drug use (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55409631#msg55409631), then I would be the first to object.  Where do you stand?

Whereas for those who desire to suppress the expression of illiberal opinions, the worst speech of all is that which expresses forbidden ideas cogently.  The crude remarks of troglodytes are easy to dismiss; and indeed, liberals oft enjoy holding up as strawmen the worst examples of their opposition.

Reductio ad absurdum, I doubt that 1miau would have reported r0ach’s posts—for r0ach was and is the butt of jokes, including my own (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg55315221#msg55315221).  I am obviously no cockroach:  I may be feared or hated, but not despised. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277804.msg55571417#post_feared_hated_evil)  My posts may thus cause cognitive dissonance—or worst of all, the danger that someone may actually agree with me!

By the way, I observe that some of my prior WO posts (not the deleted ones) may be illegal to publish in Germany.  (Possibly.  #justsaying.  This is not a formal legal opinion, but I do know something of this subject.)  I always choose my words carefully:  It was not for nothing that I remarked that I had said things that “even Björn Höcke would not dare to say (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289261.msg55617247#msg55617247)”.  But it does not matter, for this forum is located in the United States; and the forum’s administration does not obey the censorship laws of Germany, Kazakhstan, Red China, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, et al.

P.S., if you are German, then don’t vote—democracy is a SCAM, and all of the parties are bad.  But if you do vote, then vote for AfD!  :-)

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Quote from: friends1980 on November 17, 2020, 09:47:25 PM

Well, this time you haven't fed the trolls, you've fed nullius. May the gods have mercy on your soul.

Quotable. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277804.msg55594776#msg55594776)  And you owe me another new keyboard—coffee, etc.  Merits are hereby held in abeyance for the moment.  I am trying to save them for something else; you have taken too many!

Quote from: Nietzsche, Die fröhliche Wissenschaft (The Gay Science), „Vorspiel in deutschen Reimen“, 31.

Der verkappte Heilige.

    Daß dein Glück uns nicht bedrücke,
    Legst du um dich Teufelstücke,
        Teufelswitz und Teufelskleid.
    Doch umsonst!  Aus deinem Blicke
        Blickt hervor die Heiligkeit!

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Quote from: Nietzsche, Also sprach Zarathustra: Ein Buch für Alle und Keinen, „Vom Lesen und Schreiben“

Ihr seht nach Oben, wenn ihr nach Erhebung verlangt.  Und ich sehe hinab, weil ich erhoben bin.

Moderators are still human and can make mistakes. We've all had posts removed in some questionable ways, and I'm not saying it's not an important issue; I'm just pointing out that there are more important things than discussing every handled report.

I'm not just talking about this particular case of yours; there's been a lot of "my post got deleted" "my report is marked as bad" threads created here recently, and altough it's normal to want to know what we did wrong; these threads only get more important threads buried.

Only in the first 2 pages of Meta, there's the following threads created to address this kind of very urgent need  ::)

Why was my reply deleted? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5288765.0)
Report flagged as bad by mistake? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5288531.0)
Poll disappeared (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5288944.0)
Deleted topic for no reason (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289698.0)
Post deleted by mistake or what? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289024.0)
Moderator deletion of serious discussion in the Wall Observer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5289261.0)

A total of 6 threads in 5 days. Now, I'm not saying that none of these threads should have been created in first place, but comparing that number to some threads I that I coinsider way more important with close to 0 interaction in those same 2 pages:

theymos please update the news line for Bitcoin Core 0.20.1 version (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5288908.0)
search engine optimization for local boards (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170503.0)

6 "not that important" threads compared to 2 "rather important-ish" threads, on a bigger scale, I think you can see where I'm going with this. There were a couple of merit source applications too in that second page of this board.

Is changing the line/link of the latest core release a priority? I doubt so; but it affects the whole forum. Some people run a node and don't regularly check the core releases, instead they see the change here.
Is doing some SEO work important? As a local board user, I sure as hell hope it is
Is knowing why your post was deleted important? It is important... but most certainly, only to you
Is this thread a bit more special because the WO has some custom rules? We could agree on that; but your point had already been made, and there was no real reason to bump the thread; which was what my post was really about.

OK, thanks.  ::)

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Any on-topic comments?

You are a shit stirrer and no one likes your lengthy biased cries.

Full disclosure:  I paid Mr “hacker” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5240612.0) to bump, bump, bump (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213922.0) this thread for me!
/s

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Looks like my assumption was proven right...


It's amazing this has filled 3 pages now.  :D

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That's an honorable effort.

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Well, I think we can agree that posts aren’t deleted by the mods for no reason. Otherwise my reports would have been reported as “bad”.

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Not so sure here.  ;)
"Beating a dead horse" can be considered as shitposting. It's quite amazing how this thread for a generic issue has grown to 3 pages (and probably will grow even more).

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If you like Bernd Höcke (as known as Björn Höcke), you’ll like Landolf Ladig even more: https://politicalbeauty.de/landolf/
If you like Landolf Ladig even more, you should get some merch!
#getsomemerch
By buying merch, you can show your support effectively. All real supporters are buying merch. If you don’t buy merch, you are not a real supporter, keep that in mind.  
All funds collected from merch will go directly to a special purpose to support Landolf Ladig (for example to challenge future election fraud)

But I won't recommend it to buy Landolf Ladig merch because Landolf Ladig (calling himself a strong leader) will just use opportunities as a vehicle to reach his goal.
That would be an existential threat to Bitcoin because Bitcoin is supposed to hold strong leaders accountable.
 
The most important thing for strong leaders is to be leading strong and Bitcoin is undermining the strength of an leader (as an leaderless digital currency). So votes for Landolf Ladig (or Björn Höcke) would be actually a vote against Bitcoin.

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Believe it or not, Twitter and I have a very awkward relationship, I have several accounts there banned for no reason (in one case I tweeted about some rare flowers and got banned). Twitter is a shit platform, it's totally easy to derail discussions if we can actually call these scraps of conversation "discussions". It's a pity that Twitter is often used by shitcoins which is in fact a large booster of shitcoin fails.

Since you have waded through my post history you should have noticed it already.  :D

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At least r0ach doesn't post spam walls which would take some time to wade through. We have our very own r0ach (KingScorpio) but unfortunately, his post quality has declined. (It's a pity because some of his posts were actually funny; now it's only incoherent gibberish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=956126;sa=showPosts)).