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I got stuck with a question bounty hunter - Isn't he a criminal???

For example a person promotes (Bounty) projects, in the end learns that projects fraudulent
support in fundraising, but get nothing for it

What say comrades??

In the sam way, you can also consider social media platforms as a part of the crime as they help promote the scam too.

If there is a general rule about how to spot the scam project, don't expect anybody to help promote it.

Neither bounty participants or investors know from the start that the project is a scam. Both of them share the investment risk; investors with their money and bounty hunters with their efforts.

They are victims Not criminels.

It doesn't literally mean as a criminal. Those bounty hunters are also a victim of the fraud project if it ends up being a fake.

But if it's already caught up as a fraud, then the bounty keeps on helping it with a promotion. And that means that he's helping that fraud project to have exposure even thought it's already found out it's a scam.

Are you saying that bounty hunter is a criminal if the projects turns out to be a scam ? He is actually a victim of this scam. The real criminals are those project owners who start the bounty to promote their projects but does not care to pay the bounty hunters at the end.

No, bounty hunters are just advertisers and knowing that the project cant be known to be fraudulent in the initial phase then majority of hunters arent aware
that theyre advertising some scam and when the time they do know then its just right for them to stop right away.

You wouldnt really get paid if you do advertise a scam and about this matter then you shouldnt mind or stress up yourself too much with this.

Just do the right thing and since it isnt still legal then you cant be faced up any charges with this one.Just be sure to stick out with legit projects and if you do
find out for it to be fraud then its just right to stop.

It's not a criminal, the scam bounty can appear anytime and that means who can't determine if that was a scam or legit campaign with a very high accuracy?
I think that you should learn the perspective to be a bounty hunter dude. If the hunters know the bounty was a scam and they will never waste their time to promote such a scam project because they will get no payment for sure.
Just think about that. There are so many awareness and the hunters must have kept update with this.

Some people says that bounty manager is a part of the team and he is responsible for the people loss. This is also not the case. In most cases, bounty manager does not know the intentions of the project owners. But he should make sure to get the tokens in advance so that there is no issue in token distributions.

A fraudulent project will get caught at some time and exposed by other members of this forum. Now bounty hunters are knowledgeable about their payment, if they see a scam project they will stop supporting it and move on to another one.

They are not responsible for the scam, then we would have endless pages of user accounts who need to be red tagged and then forgiven after a few months to come clean. Thats not how this trust system on this forum works. They may be punished with a red tag temporarily by some DT member, still they will get PM spam regularly begging to remove that rating very soon.

Most bounty hunters are expected to do their own research on a project before investing but that does not completely remove the scams nor to-be-failures.

Bounty manager is not responsible if the project turn to become fraud project. But bounty manager need to assest the project and the team. They also getting paid for being a bounty manager. They need to do verification. Not only token will be paid or not but whole project.


 How come bounty manager does not understand the project he is promoting ?

It is not just bounty hunter getting rob but also investor money who invest in the project after reading article or seeing ignature ads..

If a promotion of a scam is considered criminal, then the closest to the accusation (other than the project team) is the bounty manager if it has received payment. I will assume the manager's bounty has done research and is in charge of the promotion after receiving the contract approval.

However, sometimes the actual situation is different and the outcome is unpredictable. So it is not easy to say that anyone who has been involved in a scam project is considered a criminal without an intensive examination.

They will be involved if the first time they promoting the campaing they have known that the project is scam.  They deliberately promote a project that is indicated as a scam and offer the project to many people where there may be some people who are interested in what he is promoting until they follow and become victims.

But you have to know, making an analyst before you join a bounty campaign is really important. You have to know the ins and out about the project itself before you give your aplication. There are many threads about how to spot scam project and many thread related to it so there is no reason to say that you haven't known to catch them after the project is end in scam.

Hello Mates

Nothing to get stock or got shocked about some projects, there are some project that you have to do more research before participating in their bounty promotion, to me since i don't really know how to track about them; all i do is to follow some trusted bounty mangers to run their bounty as i trust they ran series of research before promoting those project including their ranks and levels in the platform.
i would advised you, just put an eyes on those bounty manager to know how you could work and got paid without your efforts being wasted for nothing.

I understand the problem you are talking about here, but every mistake should not be blamed on bountyhunter, as they are the people doing the work that BM provides, but there are more scam projects than the ones we do can make money from bounty, because so I think here bountyhunter will have no errors, the fault will be for the BM if the management of poor quality projects.

If Bounty Hunters knew in the beginning that the project was fraudulent, no Bounty Hunter would have promoted that project. Even the bounty manager doesn't know that projects are fraudulent. Only team members know that projects are fraudulent. If someone does a deed even after knowing that it is wrong, it will be a crime. But after thinking a job is good, if the result is bad in the end, it is not a crime to call it a mistake. I think you understand the difference between the two.

The hunters are not criminal caused by the project has turned into the exit scam project. The hunters got nothing from the project too and remember if the hunters have been wasting a lot of their time and effort to promote the project. That's the same as you are losing your money due to the fraudulent project.
It's not a criminal and I do agree with some people above me too. We have ever scammed by the scam bounty.

What if a mandatory function on the forum is to pay for the work of hunters once a week + in ETH or project token.

In my opinion this would deter scammers!!

AFAIK bitcointalk does not moderate any kind of campaigns that held on this forum, such kind of rules should be done by the individuals who managed the campaign. Indeed with that kind of rule will ensure bounty hunters to getting paid for their works but it doesn't protect the investors of the project/company from the exit scam scenario.

Being a Bounty Hunter is not a sin and Being a Promoter is also not a sin.

When the hunters Apply and Join the Campaign He has a clean heart about to help the Project and Earn His payment as worker.

Those company is Good at it,They can pretend to be the most Legit Project in the world just to Make people believe and invest to the said project.

So having Liabilities when the Project turns Scam in the end?of course nothing that can be blame for hunters.


But It is also our obligation to Search deeper and Don't be Blinded of the Promise payment instead do your best to find if they are at least Real people and not Dummies .

Bounty hunters are freelance promoters they are not a part of any project, they become a part of the project if they give their consent to participate and they are accepted in the campaign, and they can stop promoting the project anytime they want,
If they keep on promoting that are tagged as a scam project and they know it and continue promoting they can also get tagged for conniving with the scam project.

And thats the time that would be considered illegal but in overall jurisdiction since this isnt still regulated or some sort then anyone can freely advertise according to their own will

but on the sense that it wont really be that ethical on promoting on known scam project.You are helping them to stole money from its investors and its true that as a hunter we do have

the will and full control on stopping when we are already aware that we are dealing with a scam but overall bounty hunters arent really just right to be blamed off.

Most bounty hunters never do any analysis before prompting a project, at least a minimum research should be done. But they promote every project they see. Most projects turn out to be scam. I agree that hunters are also responsible for the success of this scam because they helped the project to grow but how many hunters care about other people's money? If they do, they would never promote every bounty.

i searched the word criminal to be sure and results says that criminal are the one that commits a crime , heavy crimes like murders but a bounty hunters act is too light and i dont consider them as a criminal although it still bad because they help the real bad guys behind that project their working on but still , they are only a  victim on it .

bounty hunters often doesnt get paid and they still got a bad reputation . we shouldnt discriminate them please because this down thier selves too much

That's not it! blaming the hunter was incorrect when the project failed. But i think the problem will be with the BM and project team, because BM is the person who will be responsible for the process of bringing the project to the hunter, if the project is scam then part of the responsibility.

The manager is also not responsible. The team is the only group who could be held responsible but even they are not accountable since this is not a legally traded security. These projects are thus having all the possibility of going exit scam or just fail because you cannot sue them on any legal grounds.

This problem of non-legal securities with ICOs DeFi tokens has been well debated over and over and the consensus is that people who are taking part in them either by investing their money (investors) or investing their time/work (bounty hunters) are only responsible for their own losses.

There is nothing criminal to this on the hunters. They are taking a risk and they have their own self to blame if they waste it.

The campaign manager does not responsible if the project fails or become a scam project on the other days, the manager only takes responsibility for the campaign that he managed not the project unless he is a part of the teams or involved in the development of the project.

It must be noted especially for the social media hunters. They never try to care with any awareness about the scam project. they are blindly promoting any platform. What they are thinking about more quantity and that means more reward that they will get it. The problem is even the scam bounty has become a confirmed scam bounty and they keep create a report in the thread.
Are they bots? The bots will never hear or see that. Any awareness will be useless as these bots didn't care about that.

You cant consider bounty hunters who promote a scam project as criminals only if they know about the scam and they will get som dollars from investors money...bounty hunters in the majority of cases are also poor people who work hard and didnt get anything

I don't blame BM, but i think they should take some of the blame here as well. With professional BMs, this issue has nothing to argue with because they provide very quality projects in this market, but i still see many BM projects fail and they often turn to the developer. So raise the issue from the outset so that there are no scam or failure projects.

This is why, bounty hunter should know the legit and scam project to avoid this thing. Poor people is not mean they can't do anything, right?

Take a look on scam accusation board, there are plenty people who make or investigate a suspicious project. It is mean, all bounty hunter can be able to do that.

At least if they try to investigate the project first and they are doubt that the project is legit then they will make a decision to stay away from the project. And they don't feel guilty for not promoting the project.

Not agree blame professional bounty manager, because many times research errors can occur because of which hunters face scam projects. The bounty manager has nothing to do with a project because the bounty manager is not their core team member. The duty of the Bounty Manager is only to conduct the promoting service and to support all the hunter team. So if the core team make cheats, then we have zero options.

yes escrow is the only way to successfully deliver tokens to hunters. However, if a project is scammed there is no benefit in using escrow because dead tokens are considered useless. At this point the amount of good projects has decreased and there is no strong bounty from which hunters can make money.

it can be identified early only if the bounty hunter wishes to do so. Unfortunately, the bounty hunters adopted the ancient principle "join all, 2 or 3 of them are definitely legit".

Crypto issued by the new project is centralized, using escrow is actually futile because all tokens can be controlled by the smartcontract. I've several times got the locked tokens in my own wallet.

There still money that you can extract with bounties but the probabilities is really way to lower compared into those days where ICO is still on the hype.
Escrow is always been suggested where you do able to get some guarantees that you would really be paid up but i do agree into your point that
those escrowing of funds would be useless if the value of token or coin is zero or just good as dead.Its had been told for how many times that
bounty hunting is already shit but there were still people who do push out the probabilities on making money with it.
About on the question on being a criminal on promoting a scam bounty then people shouldnt really be blamed of because they havent
known it on the first place.

Poor is not an excuse for bounty hunters that promoted a scam project to defend themselves. If a project showed a clear sign of fraud but there are still bounty hunters want to work for it then yep, they're both partners in crime. Poor can't cut you some slack for this.

Hunters will make no mistake here, as they are required to work to get what they deserve. And the hunters are still on the job, but they won't know that the project they're working on is a scam, they don't realize it until the end of the campaign. The big mistake here is on that project, but there's nothing we can do about it when they cheat bounty, and in this space such projects and I've never seen the hunter's fault or the BM.

Try to look into the bounty hunters perspective to get the idea. They did their their research and believed in the project but then it turned out to be a scam. If they immediately withdraw all support then the damage if not undone, can be minimized.

Again another hunter may be out here just to spam and get paid for it - the worst kind. They will not even do a basic check on the project and join it and then complain why they never got paid and got some red trust on their account. They are the ones who create childish threats in "Reputation" and start posting filth there about their negative trust rating.

We have all sorts of hunters here. No wonder it is a mess. :D

Even the bounty manager has a hard time finding out if the campaign he managed is legitimate or not  so they are also working the same as hunters for reviewing a project before they manage it.  they can also do mistake managing one scam campaign  so you should not blame any one if they participate in scam campaign they are just hoping to get good rewards in it.

Discussions like this will continue to exist, it is true that hunters are not criminals if they promote a project that turns out to be deceptive in the end because it is beyond the ability of hunters to know the end of the project, but often hunters also don't care when many have warned that the project is scam their continues to promote the project, continues to provide reports in the bounty thread, and it is very strange.
When you choose to be bounty hunters you also need to pay attention to the updates of the project that you are promoting if you see irregularities do not hesitate to leave the project and if you choose to continue it will be your own responsibility get nothing.

As a bounty hunter it is their responsibility to keep tabs on the bounty they are taking part in. The reason this does not get followed properly is that one bounty hunter may take part in hundreds of bounties at the same time. Because of this none single bounty gets their full attention. Mindlessly they spam social media and the forum hoping to get paid millions. Though things have reduced nowadays a lot in the forum.

But yes, this increases the problems. They dont check when a bounty gets cancelled or stopped - keep on spamming it and then complain they never got paid. Lack of sensible skills, I would say but its a lot more to that.

The campaign manager is not responsible whatever the negative things happen during bounty, he is also getting paid for managing the campaign. Even he is also one of the people like us, which he will research the basic things about the project and start promoting the campaign in order to get awareness about the project.

Technically yes since the bounty hunter helps to promote a scam project as easy as that but some or most of the bounty hunters are not reviewing the project and doesn't care whether they were a legitimate project or not they just up for rewards.

More like saying investors are criminals if they invest in a project that ends up becoming a scam, thats a very wrong thinking, bounty hunters are victims of scam project and their dubious ways, many project owners only have the intention of rug pulling and nothing else, there is nothing criminal about promoting a project you thought was genuine.

The real criminals are the project owner. But Bounty manager also has some responsibility about it and as a bounty hunter you also have a responsibility about what you promote, but less than BM and Owners as my view.

You cant say unless if Bounty managers are part of the team then its hard for you to find out if the project is legit or not.This is why as bounty hunters then you do need to study and made up some research initially if the project is really worth to be advertised or not..When you do know that it is already a scam then why would continue to advertise it?
If you do then you are tolerating on what they've been doing which means you are also a criminal too.Its just ethical for you to stop rather than continuing
and also you do already know that you wont really be paid up. then whats the point of continuing?

Correct statements. The managers who are well known here are known to have a good track record of the project they campaigned about and in most cases the project paid their hunters and participants as per discussed terms.

Often new managers hoping to get a job here, attempt to go with the shady projects but of they dont get paid up-front. From a project owners perspective paying the manager upfront is not going to be common, added the fact that 99% of the coin offering projects are failures from the start.

Still hunters should do their own research. Missing out things that could easily identify the project as scam is not a good thing.

There is no way to know if a project will be successful or not and there is no way to know if you will get paid after promoting the project, in this life if you don't take risks you will never get anywhere, the future is unpredictable so accept any bad ending and move on

This is a very controversial situation, for so many years the criteria by which it is necessary to allow the creation of Bounty rules have not yet been created.  After all, anyone can register and create a fraudulent Bounty.

if the scam projects are the criminals, then bounty hunters are accomplices, people need to check if the project is valid or not, if they can't be
sure, than they gotta face it and accept that they helped spreading a particular scam project, and also helped encouraging other scammers.

None of these statements are completely correct. The legal system related to bitcoin is still grey and calling someone a criminal for a currency that has still not gone out from its development is wrong. Although we can consider token offerings to be shady stuff if not a legal security, still many times managers and bounty hunters make mistakes.

A fine gesture indeed. But will people follow your advice? No. Bounty hunters in this forum act like brain dead zombies, though the condition has improved nowadays. Even then we see idiotic users keep spamming bounties that have been declared scam and then come back spewing bile in the "Reputation" section about their negative trust ratings. 8)

Bounty managers are only responsible for late announcement if there are with their payment and communication with project representatives. They are the same employees like hunters, but on different conditions and tasks.

Many times I've experiences, that 4-12 week bounty ended, managers says he had not received any payment after first week and project representatives are silent or ignoring him. In such case full responsibility for hunters wasting time is on the manager.

bounty hunters are not completely criminals, most of the bounty hunters are trapped by themselves with fraudulent bounties, they are not aware of what they are promoting as bounty hunters, therefore we as hunters alike are looking at and providing news with more valid information about potential bounties. in the future

They often get trapped true, but a good and honest person will immediately withdraw all support from that project and move away from it as a gesture of correction of their wrong moves.

Now this does not happen with every hunter and something the fault is directly on them too. See majority of bounty hunters in this forum dont even keep track of what they are promoting for months. They come to the forum to sign up on a bounty and then keep spamming the social media with their tweets, likes and so on. If some research is dumped in the Scam Accusations, they never know about it because they never visit those sections of the forum.

This cannot be corrected by others but the hunters themselves.

Quite a difficult question. I've seen people who create posts ANN and Bounty throw negative trust. But for an ordinary hunter, no. In essence, they act as advertisements for investors. And investors should already study the project themselves and invest at their own peril and risk. I think you shouldn't throw all the blame on the hunters.