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I've been here since 2015 and I feel stupid how it didn't occur to me before or maybe the current events or over-sensitive millennials make this question relevant.

I wouldn't care if someone posts racist comments against me or expect people to get butthurt over the racist comments on the forum. However, since racism is becoming such an "issue" (to a point where GitHub wants to replace the master-slave branch structure) do you think there should be a set of rules governing the same on bitcointalk?

 If yes, to what extent?

Calling someone a "Pajeet, Habibi, curry muncher, white trash, etc" in a post should be allowed or frowned upon? Let me know your thoughts on this.

Most people here are pseudononymous, if people know you're of a race, you've probably told them (and potentially too much).

There are rules against threatening harm which is in line with freedom of speech laws in Europe and North america (ex Mexico).

I could get onto another argument about my annoyance only black people are considered slaves by the masses. It completely invalidates most of Europe taking other Europeans as slaves.

Racism is allowed, it's part of freedom of expression.

It's dumb anyway on a forum, I couldn't care less about your color or race. There's no KYC, you can be any color you want online.

I think I don't need to explain to you about the rules since you have been in this forum since 2015. So, I think you know well about this Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0). Everything is stated there, you only need to find out if it is mentioned there or not. If you get nothing there, so it doesn't violate the forum rules.

By the way, don't take into the heart once you debate on someone. You don't know who they are and what the purpose exactly. Some people may have a bad attitude in expressing their opinions but as long as no threats, then it is okay for me. You must know there are thousands of people here with various educational backgrounds. We must admit it if not all people can create comments with an educated style.  :)

You know, I haven't seen all that many snowflakes on this forum--and I've certainly seen a lot of racist comments aimed against many nationalities/races/whatever.  And yes, it is allowed. 

I am no left-wing SJW by any means, but in my time on bitcointalk I've actually come to like interacting with people from all over the world--as long as they're not shitposting.  And yes, I am guilty of some harsh words against Filipinos in the past but I truly have no grudge against them.  Everything I wrote was just angry, emotional ranting against people who were polluting the forum with nonsense. 

On the other hand, sometimes I think getting it all out on the table when you've got a beef with someone can be a healthy thing, because at least you're being honest.  And usually the problem is never due to race, but behavior.

I don't see anywhere in the rules where racism is even mentioned meaning it's not a big deal in bitcointalk. I prefer looking at a case where someone could call me names like "Pajeet, Habibi, curry muncher, white trash etc" just similar to one trying to say am stupid, foolish, asshole etc
It's just a stranger who doesn't know me trying to describe who I am. Why would I be offended if a stranger tried to abuse me?  :D

Really...  ::)

Only division here is in ranks and trust feedback, so we can say there are red and green skins here, and they often fight each other.
Sometimes you can see green skin fighting for glory or for stupid reasons, and sometimes red skins join forces and unite against greens.
Bitcointalk starwars.

Well, not really; otherwise hate crimes wouldn't be considered as such.
I guess you meant that it's allowed in the forum, and seeing how many sexist posts do still exist, and probably won't stop being created, it's safe to assume that the same will happen with racism or any other attack on minorities/oppressed groups.

Yeah, lol. If it was a forum meant for a broader audience, I may disagree with that too, but knowing what a niche bitcoin/crypto actually are...

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I, however, believe that if there's some systematic and constant on a certain user or group prepretated by the same individual, after recovering what should be considered "enough" evidence, some actions could be taken. I am of course talking about some extreme cases, and not about some random posts from time to time, which may also be problematic, but this is the internet, so kind of "get over it". And by extreme I mean a case in which it's actually disturbing the community in some way; luckily I can't think of any example here, as I don't recall seeing anything that'd fit happen.

Besides, if someone does feel the need to "report" those posts, they could always go to the police and report them. It won't have much future, but I know that stuff is actually doable, the same way tweets can get reported.

I was just called racist on reddit for pointing out that Microsoft invented typescript so they didn't have to train Indian programmers.

Well I’m new here and have seen lots of discriminating or articles with some racist mindset but I don’t give a damn about it because the goal is to make bitcoin community a place for positive and healthy ideas that will help bitcoin currency soar and never to weary. I don’t think even Satoshi is interested in the color of bitcoin enthusiasts but rather in the progress and global acceptance of bitcoin as a Cryptocurrency.

Bitcoin is decentralized and that what matters the most and isn’t controlled by anyone so I don’t care about the color of anyone all I do is to improve myself everyday and think of positive contribution to my bitcoin community knowing there isn’t any such as KYC... so we should channel our energy is making bitcoin community a better place to share ideas and bring positive contributions instead of dwelling in the colors of bitcoin enthusiasts...

When TF did Habibi become a racial slur? Habibi means dear or darling in arabic, and tbh i've never heard of it being used in an offensive manner.

Yeah sure, calling a guy Habibte (female version) from time to time, but thats all in good humor and usually amongst close friends

That was implied, this topic is in Meta not Politics & Society (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=34.0).

That's another problem with racism or "being offended (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213722.msg53482650#msg53482650)": it's subjective!

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That being said: I love that it's allowed to say (almost) anything you want on Bitcointalk. It's up to each user how they handle that freedom.

There's already a certain guideline in place but for some reason, it isn't listed among other rules ^{[on the first page]}:

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I do agree with the following quote:

You have super thick skin, so you never get mad when people say you are a dirty bot, but some people may consider racist calling someone a bot.
And don't even get me started about gender topic, and the fact that  we have two genders in forum profile settings, but maybe people will ask to add all other 6538 invented new age genders.
No rules are needed for anything like this in Bitcointalk.

I think you have a serious problem if you get mad because of what someone on the internet calls you.

Good point. One is enough:

There you go: Is theymos a cis white male gender fascist? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2382764.0).
And the answer is very simple:

It's not all of a sudden an "issue" to me. Whatever Github or whoever does or does not decide to do, will not necessarily make it an "issue" to me.



It should be allowed and it should be frowned upon. Why would picking the first option exclude the latter?

edit: oh yeah:


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It's not against the rules, but trolling and being a nuisance is so you can't just start screaming racial abuse at people just to try rile them up. It's probably an ad hominem most of the time and likely off-topic in most threads anyway. Abusing people based on their race tells me a lot about them though and these people usually aren't worth your time and if this sort of thing offends someone they should just utilise the ignore button and problem solved. This whole cancel culture trying to silence anyone who says something they don't like is getting out of hand and it's a very slippery slope (hope I just didn't offend Vietnamese now: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slope).


I think most of the abuse here is generated towards groups or nationalities with derogatory terms like pajeet etc and most forum member's nationality probably isn't a secret most of the time.


I wouldn't waste any time worrying or arguing with these idiots. It is quite worrying though how they've started redefining words and language to suit their beliefs. It's seemingly become quite a generally accepted term amongst them now that only white people can be racist, which is obviously completely moronic but suits their identity politics and victim mentality. Slavery is as old as mankind and Africans were enslaving themselves and then Arabs long before the Europeans got there, but nobody wants to hear about that or all the attempted genocides that happened within Africa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_central_Africa

I think most of us can generally accept that racism is bad and slavery was horrific, but unless you're out marching in the streets screaming Black Lives Matter some people will still call you racist, but you have to remember that these are the sorts of hypocritical idiots you're dealing with:

https://i.imgur.com/jMrwy0e.jpg


If someone uses terms like this is says a lot about them more than anything else. I mean, if you're going to be racist at least come up with something witty or original.


Woah there, you don't want to get negative feedback from gaylord2067 for being transphobic homophobic.

The cancel culture is just stupid as the other things, they go after all your old public post even if it is 15 years ago and then the witch hunt starts until your image is tarnished and your job is affected, people does not understand jokes anymore as they are even going after stand up comedians and wants to censor them :D.

We do not need any specific rules here and if you think someone is not appropriate to have a conversation a$ hilari mentioned ignore them.


It is a major issue that started in campuses and now spreading to other countries. What surprised me is that the identity politics groups are able to influence major government offices to bend the law so that they could compel anyone to address words according to their dictionary or face legal action which is stupidity.

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The only instance i had any sort of argument in this forum was with kenzawak, while talking about a fight in the forum thread he DM me and said he will fuck me up in real life and added some words along with it  :D. I usually avoid getting into any confrontation online as it is meaningless but since he kept on poking all i did was invite him sending my location and never heard from him again and a few months after that his account was hacked :D

Now that is trying to push the freedom of expression. I do not think that it is part, maybe a banter or two but a blatant comment pointed at a race is not freedom of expression. If we allow racism, I think we abandon people that are targeted by these racial slurs, so if we can do our part of prohibiting racist comments, I think that we are taking a good step forward.

The color I want is blue, daba dee daba da.

Freedom of expression isn't only meant to say bunnies are cute, you need it for controversial statements. You can't have freedom of expression when pre-selecting the subjects you're allowed to discuss.

Why the hell would legal constitutional protection be necessary if it's only meant for people who are saying things everybody agrees with anyway??

And by the way, this thread is a discussion about forum rules, not a discussion about racism and freedom of expression - so these remarks are off-topic anyway.

Yeah well, that's the newest, strongest insult you can call someone these days, given all the anti-racist sentiment that abounds.  The term "racist" seems to have lost its meaning, and I don't think a lot of the younger generation even knows what true racism is--looking at the protests in the US regarding police shooting blacks, some of the statements made by the protesters make me think that they have an absolute lack of knowledge of history and how much race relations have improved in the past 100 years or so.

That's the point most people just don't get.  The type of speech that needs to be protected is that which will probably offend you, or that the majority of people might disagree with.  And if you want freedom to say what you want, you have to allow people to express racist opinions.  That doesn't mean those opinions can't go unchallenged, but not allowing them would be a step in the wrong direction.

Racism is a very broad subject.

Depending on how and from where you look at it, anything or nothing could be considered "racist".

I haven't seen any forum rules against racism yet but still it is probably a good idea you don't overdo it.

Just because there is no rules about something doesn't mean they can't ban you for no reason.

Even If you don't get banned, would you want to look like a freak? You can if that's what you want.